What would it take to get....

[sashaturiaf]

Trading Clax for Siakam straight up even wouldn't make us a better team this season.

You still need a 5, and we need to be adding 5s not trading our only one away.

[3pt_chucker]

Raptors are hoping team will be desperate and overpay. I really don't think the market is as hot as Masai thinks since
a. New Orleans, Memphis, OKC(teams with best/most assets)have GMs that want to hold onto their picks
b. Those will only use them for steals since they aren't typical FA destinations
c. THey believe they can develop their own talent and aren't in a big rush to accelerate their timeline

If Marks can stay patient, he can probably get a good deal for Pascal/OG, since Nets have best assets among contenders other than GSW.

I think for Siakim for: 3 unprotected picks + salary filler + maybe 1 swap/2nds.
For OG: 1 unprotected, 1 top 8-10 protected + young player.

[Papi_swav]

I don't see us making any big trades before the deadline, maybe a minor move or 2. I think we make a run with our current core and see how far we get. Then in the summer we consolidate the role players and picks to get a star to make KD stay happy. Not sure who that player is yet. I really like the team we have now, we just need a perennial star at the 2 spot and we're amongst the top contenders. Ben Simmons can't be traded right now so give up those ideas guys, dude has zero value.

[MrDollarBills]

Toronto can have the picks, I'm not trading them Claxton or Thomas.

[Netaman]

here's my read on the toronto relative to nets.

1. i think FVV to LAC makes a ton of sense, and would have been the best fit in a 3 team kyrie deal. Mann + filler/picks to Toronto, FVV to LAC. That's a great deal for both sides. Dinwiddie for FVV was marginal difference, Mann has 2 more years after this one. unlike Phoenix, LAC has no real reason to hoard picks because they don't have enough for KD next summer meanwhile FVV / George / Kawhi is legit. like i said seems like a real win/win for both sides. i think nets probably tried for FVV yesterday and the fact that the original dallas deal went through makes it unlikely the dinwiddie/fvv swap happens.

2. For Siakam, the Gobert trade (4 FRPs + 1 swap, filler than includes some useful young pieces) and Dejonte trade (3 FRPs + 1 swap + filler) are probably masai's comps. So 3 FRP's and Cam isn't too far off, but since the picks are all later it's probably not good enough without more in there. Can they flip Cam to a 3rd team for a 2023 or 2024 first to make it 4 FRPs? can the nets flip simmons to a team like SAS and then get Toronto a different piece they like (like poetl)? does masai still like simmons at all? Claxton would put a package over the edge but i dont think there's any way the nets do that so i think the nets are likely hunting for a 3rd team.

3. OG would seem like the simplest target in a 2 team deal, the question is does he move the needle enough for bkln? if it's basically Harris to salary match + FRPs I think that's close for both sides. in a vacuum adding a great defender who can shoot for harris who can barely shoot at this point and cant defend at all would be a big upgrade, but with DFS how big is that need? a creator like siakam who can play some minutes at center adds a lot more.

should be an interesting 48 hours. my best guess is the nets get 1 more FRP somehow then trade 4 FRPs + Simmons to Toronto for Siakam. push comes to shove i think they'd still trade cam to get a deal done for that 4th FRP but maybe there's another way?

[Netaman]

Toronto can have the picks, I'm not trading them Claxton or Thomas.

claxton 100% agree.

thomas im not as sure. curry can fill those minutes without the ball in his hands as much and if they can add siakam who increases their chances of a championship significantly, it's a risk i think they'd take.

[Paradise]

Toronto can have the picks, I'm not trading them Claxton or Thomas.

claxton 100% agree.

thomas im not as sure. curry can fill those minutes without the ball in his hands as much and if they can add siakam who increases their chances of a championship significantly, it's a risk i think they'd take.

You didn’t see him be the 2nd youngest since LeBron to drop back to back 40 point games? Lol

[Netaman]

Toronto can have the picks, I'm not trading them Claxton or Thomas.

claxton 100% agree.

thomas im not as sure. curry can fill those minutes without the ball in his hands as much and if they can add siakam who increases their chances of a championship significantly, it's a risk i think they'd take.

You didn’t see him be the 2nd youngest since LeBron to drop back to back 40 point games? Lol

i saw both games. i've also seen that he's never been able to find a role with the full roster healthy because he can't have the ball in his hands that much.

and ive seen siakam be a big piece on playoff teams that go deep.

im not saying i want to trade cam, just that if it gets siakam i think id do it.

[MrDollarBills]

claxton 100% agree.

thomas im not as sure. curry can fill those minutes without the ball in his hands as much and if they can add siakam who increases their chances of a championship significantly, it's a risk i think they'd take.

You didn’t see him be the 2nd youngest since LeBron to drop back to back 40 point games? Lol

i saw both games. i've also seen that he's never been able to find a role with the full roster healthy because he can't have the ball in his hands that much.

and ive seen siakam be a big piece on playoff teams that go deep.

im not saying i want to trade cam, just that if it gets siakam i think id do it.

That's fair.

[Netaman]

here's the thing with a Siakam deal, what does Masai realistically want? he's been rumored on the market so let's trust that to be true.

best case would seem to be a gobert return? Gobert had just turned 29 with 4 years/170m left. here's what gobert returned and whether we can fill that:

• Walker Kessler (No. 22 pick in 2022 Draft) - yes (cam more valuable?)
• 2023 first-round pick - no
• 2025 first-round pick - yes (philly 27 pick)
• 2026 pick swap - yes (but a year or two later?)
• 2027 first-round pick - yes (first avail brooklyn pick)
• 2029 first-round pick - yes (dallas pick)
• Jarred Vanderbilt - not really (sharpe?)
• Malik Beasley - filler
• Patrick Beverley - filler
• Leandro Bolmaro - filler

first, siakam only has 1 more year left after this one. so realistically i doubt he's returning the full gobert package because you're only getting half as many years under contract.

if we are counting Cam as roughly the cost of 1 FRP, the net package is short roughly 1 recent FRP and a Jared Vanderbilt. Not terribly far apart considering Cam is playing his way to be worth more than 1 FRP right now and the fewer years of control.

and if Simmons is the filler, imo that's better filler.

so while the picks presently available aren't as close it just kind of comes down to does ujiri still like simmons and does he like cam?

we know they like clax and if he was on the table it would be a done deal for a lot less but that's why he's not on the table.

[NyCeEvO]

Does overpaying for Siakim even make us serious contenders in the East?

I mean hes guy but he was AWFUL in the bubble vs Boston. This isn't some bonafide star.

I would give up Simmons, Cam and picks. Anything more than that and its not worth it.

I think were basically cooked at this point.

Maybe we should have just taken the Lakers offer and tried to rebuild.

Yeah, he’s a very good player but people talk about him as if he’s a borderline superstar when he’s not.

While his length, skill set, and energy alone allow him to put up respectable numbers during the regular season, I have huge questions about his effectiveness in the playoffs.

He’s pretty good at a lot of things, but a 2nd star for a championship caliber team needs to be ELITE at some effective offensive skill.
The frenetic and often seemingly uncontrolled pace and style he plays with makes me feel as it wouldn’t take all too much of a concerted effort from elite playoff defenses to neutralize him.

Considering that we now have the defensive arsenal to switch everything, I’d probably prefer acquiring another elite wing shot creator/scorer to pair with KD (a la Boston with Tatum & Brown) instead of trading for Siakam.

[NyCeEvO]

I am warming up to the idea of trading KD. We are geared more towards developing young talent and I feel like KD’s time has come and passed; the Celtics won’t be beat. If we can somehow get a plethora of picks and young talent, I’m fine with it. Does Boston consider JB for KD? I would do that trade in a heartbeat.

I wouldn’t.

Brown is not a 1st option.

Also, I do not want to send yet another superstar to a division rival to make them even better than what they were before (like we did with Harden to Philly). I don’t want to get destroyed by 2 of the 3 other division rivals for the next 3-5 years with star players we gave them. If Philly (or Boston with Durant) wins a title, it would be extraordinarily embarrassing.

[CalamityX12]

Imo, the 2nd star to KD should come from the backcourt

[NyCeEvO]

Raptors are hoping team will be desperate and overpay. I really don't think the market is as hot as Masai thinks since
a. New Orleans, Memphis, OKC(teams with best/most assets)have GMs that want to hold onto their picks
b. Those will only use them for steals since they aren't typical FA destinations
c. THey believe they can develop their own talent and aren't in a big rush to accelerate their timeline

If Marks can stay patient, he can probably get a good deal for Pascal/OG, since Nets have best assets among contenders other than GSW.

I think for Siakim for: 3 unprotected picks + salary filler + maybe 1 swap/2nds.
For OG: 1 unprotected, 1 top 8-10 protected + young player.

IIRC, Masai has a pretty good track record extracting maximum value for star players he trades away. OTOH, while Marks is pretty good at finding decent players players for next-to-nothing, I personally believe he overpays when seeing to acquire or sell established great players (e.g. Harden from HOU, Harden to PHI).

Masai almost never blinks first. I don’t like our chances if Marks is sitting at a table with Masai alone. I have a feeling he’d get Marks to pay above market value for whomever we wanted from the Raptors.

[NyCeEvO]

Imo, the 2nd star to KD should come from the backcourt

Agreed. A 2-man game between KD & an elite scoring wing may prove near unstoppable, if we surround them with defense and threes. I don’t see KD and Siakam being able to play directly off of each other.

[Eatgreenz]

What does everyone think of getting someone like derozan, he would be way cheaper get and is guaranteed 20+ scorer wing?

[MrDollarBills]

I'm not trading Cam or Claxton.

[JoseRizal]

I'm not trading Cam or Claxton.

Agree.

Especially with how fickle minded KD is. Worse case, we trade them for an established star, then if it doesn't work out this year, he will demand a trade again next summer. We're most likely left with an overpaid #2 guy and picks from a Durant trade...

[CalamityX12]

What does everyone think of getting someone like derozan, he would be way cheaper get and is guaranteed 20+ scorer wing?

context, I've always been a Demar fan coming out of USC. It would be awesome to see him finally don the Nets jersey.

that being said, I don't see too much bad, at his current form/age, in adding him. He's still an influential player on the court and can take on his man still in 1 on 1 situations which based on our common play designs is going to be vital.

He's a killer to score in the mid range still and can knock the 3 serviceable.

With a healthy KD, i don't see opposing defenses keying on him as strong as they are in Chicago, so he should be given consistent green light to attack the rim or score anywhere on the court.

Can't speak for him defensively but really, we have a lot of defensive grinders already to play that role.

Very pro DeRozan should be attainable

[CalamityX12]

I'm not trading Cam or Claxton.

Not trading Claxton is literally facts.

1. Can't pass up again another positive talent young big man growing before our eyes. he's one of 2 peeps who literally gives a ****

2. He's our only NBA center....

We can't move our only center! LOL