bubonicphoniks wrote:ChuckS wrote:bubonicphoniks wrote:Thats all he does really
I'll admit that I'm really into efficiency. And I cannot say what happened to Spencer's from the 45/40% he had with the Mavs. I wondered why I still love the guy, until remembering that Iverson won a scoring title at 39%. So maybe there are redeeming values. I think this game proves that there are.
I hope my numbers are right, because they are scribbled on a two inch note. But Spencer was one for twelve with 2 points after three quarters. He came back in the game at about the seven minute mark of the 4th, and was four for seven (with one three) and eleven points (9 of those from the 3:46 mark). At the 2:44 mark he made a driving two pointer and six seconds later blocked Saddiq Bey's layup. At 2:19 he made a three pointer. With 32 seconds left he made an unbelievable pass to Mikal for a layup. With 24 seconds left he grabbed a rebound, was fouled, and made 1 of 2. Mikal's jumper won it after Young's 3 pointer.
I believe Spencer does more than "chuck it", and often when it most counts. I think the confidence in him demonstrated by Coach and teammates speaks to that. But I decided to google the analysts rating starting point guards. Spencer's rating dropped from about 15th best to in the twenties since he came here, many mentioning the efficiency thing but otherwise being pretty effusive. I cannot find the one detailing how much better we were when he is on the floor, but I suspect those less internet challenged can do so. The "HoopsHype" summary was generally reflective, and a portion follows:
"Veteran floor general Spencer Dinwiddie had a solid bounce-back campaign last season, staying healthy (he played in 79 of the season’s 82 games) and providing both the Dallas Mavericks and Brooklyn Nets with good scoring and playmaking, albeit the former was lacking some in efficiency. Regardless, you know what you’re getting in Dinwiddie – a lead guard with elite size, solid off-the-dribble scoring from the midrange, some three-point prowess, versatile defense and good vision."
Great post. Spencer has done some good things dont get me wrong. Last year in crunch time he lost a bunch of games.
I just think this team flows better wothout him. Guys work for good shots except him. Hes flat out just a chucker. I liked when his minutes were cut.
Thanks for the props. I disagree, however with all your premises.
He is fifth on the team with a 20.2 useage rate and third on the team with 12 field goal attempts per game. These are hardly indicative of a chucker who upsets the flow of a game. He is averaging 6.2 assists (9.1 last year), second to Ben's 6.7, which further belies the allegations.
I disagreed, also, with the claim that last year he lost a bunch of games, primarily because his minutes slightly exceeded even Mikal's, suggesting that the coaching staff couldn't have believed that either. 82games.com has him with far and away the highest on/off court plus of 17.2 on the team which confirms my doubts that he could possibly be the prime cause for losses.
I realize every player has bad games, but I, personally, attribute losses to the team. I did not recall feeling Spencer was particularly responsible for losses last year so I checked a bad stretch for the team, it's last ten games of 22-23. We lost six of them. In the last game, against the Sixers, he had a dnp rest, in a 29 point loss. In a loss to the TWolves he was high man going 13 for 24 for 30 points, and second only to Bridges in minutes and plus/minus. In one loss to the Cavs he had the best plus minus and his 25 points were second only to Mikal. In another loss to the Cavs he had the most points (19) and was the only plus. The other two losses I particularly attribute to the team. In the 13 point loss to the Magic, a back to back, everyone stunk but Mikal. In the second of these he only had 8 points on 3 for 6, but 11 assists, and every starter had a negative plus minus. I cannot categorically say you are wrong about last year, because I do not know the games to which you are alluding. I can say that I believe he and Mikal were most responsible for whatever success we did achieve after the loss of KD and Kyrie.