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Re: Trade SZN: Are the Nets Kingmaker, or Overplayed? 

Post#21 » by ecuhus1981 » Fri Dec 20, 2024 3:39 am

I like the Dennis trade, for both us and for Schröder.

I would actually like to keep Johnson. But let's trade DFS now for capspace and youth.
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Post#22 » by Decipher » Mon Dec 23, 2024 2:34 am

Makes Cam J & DFS look cheap

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Post#23 » by TheNetsFan » Sat Jan 4, 2025 10:12 pm

Exactly what we need, a desperate team and an asset rich team.

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Post#24 » by ecuhus1981 » Sun Jan 5, 2025 2:28 am

TheNetsFan wrote:Exactly what we need, a desperate team and an asset rich team.

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Exactly, you only need 2 teams for a bidding war.

Honestly, my favorite version of this situation involves BOTH the Thunder and the Kings. Give OKC Cam J, send Topic and Dieng back to us, and Kenrich Williams and Day'ron to SAC. The Kings could give us Carter, that's 2 late-lottery backcourt prospects on the 1st year of their rookie deal, with complementary skill sets. And Ousmane is a toolsy young forward, who knows if he reaches his potential.
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Post#25 » by Papi_swav » Sun Jan 5, 2025 6:10 pm

I think the picks part of the deal is what makes or breaks the trade. We need at least 2 picks minimum for CamJ, and not the Utah pick because that's a fake pick that'll likely not ever convey.
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Re: Trade SZN: Are the Nets Kingmaker, or Overplayed? 

Post#26 » by Netaman » Sun Jan 5, 2025 7:11 pm

Papi_swav wrote:I think the picks part of the deal is what makes or breaks the trade. We need at least 2 picks minimum for CamJ, and not the Utah pick because that's a fake pick that'll likely not ever convey.


think its going to be more pick quality than pick number. and probably an emphasis on 2026 picks.

OKC owns 2 best FRPs of LAC/HOU/OKC.
SAC owns their own 2026 pick and no 2025 pick, so to get their 2026 pick nets would have to send them the worst of their 2025 picks.

the SAC 2026 pick unprotected is something that would be more appealing than any 2 picks OKC can send even with the Nets having to send a 2025 pick out to make the deal work. That is what I'd be shooting for.

That's a likely lotto pick even if Fox doesn't ask out, and if he gets dealt it could be easily be top 5. they are 10th in lotto right now.
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Post#27 » by Netaman » Sun Jan 5, 2025 7:21 pm

These are my ideal SAC trade and OKC trades:

Think I'd prefer SAC unprotected 2026 over the possibility of LAC picks being high in 26/27, but these would both be deals we could possibly see return future lotto picks with some luck.

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Post#28 » by Papi_swav » Sun Jan 5, 2025 7:23 pm

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Papi_swav wrote:I think the picks part of the deal is what makes or breaks the trade. We need at least 2 picks minimum for CamJ, and not the Utah pick because that's a fake pick that'll likely not ever convey.


think its going to be more pick quality than pick number. and probably an emphasis on 2026 picks.

OKC owns 2 best FRPs of LAC/HOU/OKC.
SAC owns their own 2026 pick and no 2025 pick, so to get their 2026 pick nets would have to send them the worst of their 2025 picks.

the SAC 2026 pick unprotected is something that would be more appealing than any 2 picks OKC can send even with the Nets having to send a 2025 pick out to make the deal work. That is what I'd be shooting for.

That's a likely lotto pick even if Fox doesn't ask out, and if he gets dealt it could be easily be top 5. they are 10th in lotto right now.

I agree. I would def take Sac 2026 pick but I dont think they can trade it because they don't have a 2025 pick, so it most likely will have to be a swap which wouldn't make sense because Nets is likely to have a worst record than kings. OKC has a buttload of pick so they will need to come up off 2 of those picks at least, and not no cheap picks that's going to be picks 25-30. However I would take Cason Wallace and 1 pick though

EDIT: I forgot we got the knicks pick in 2026 too
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Post#29 » by Netaman » Sun Jan 5, 2025 7:25 pm

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Papi_swav wrote:I think the picks part of the deal is what makes or breaks the trade. We need at least 2 picks minimum for CamJ, and not the Utah pick because that's a fake pick that'll likely not ever convey.


think its going to be more pick quality than pick number. and probably an emphasis on 2026 picks.

OKC owns 2 best FRPs of LAC/HOU/OKC.
SAC owns their own 2026 pick and no 2025 pick, so to get their 2026 pick nets would have to send them the worst of their 2025 picks.

the SAC 2026 pick unprotected is something that would be more appealing than any 2 picks OKC can send even with the Nets having to send a 2025 pick out to make the deal work. That is what I'd be shooting for.

That's a likely lotto pick even if Fox doesn't ask out, and if he gets dealt it could be easily be top 5. they are 10th in lotto right now.

I agree. I would def take Sac 2026 pick but I dont think they can trade it because they don't have a 2025 pick, so it most likely will have to be a swap which wouldn't make sense because Nets is likely to have a worst record than kings. OKC has a buttload of pick so they will need to come up off 2 of those picks at least, and not no cheap picks that's going to be picks 25-30. However I would take Cason Wallace and 1 pick though


if we trade them worst of our 4 FRPs in 2025 they can trade 2026 though right? Think that would be worst of Knicks, Houston, OKC so it's going to be late 20's.
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Post#30 » by Papi_swav » Sun Jan 5, 2025 7:42 pm

Netaman wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:
Netaman wrote:
think its going to be more pick quality than pick number. and probably an emphasis on 2026 picks.

OKC owns 2 best FRPs of LAC/HOU/OKC.
SAC owns their own 2026 pick and no 2025 pick, so to get their 2026 pick nets would have to send them the worst of their 2025 picks.

the SAC 2026 pick unprotected is something that would be more appealing than any 2 picks OKC can send even with the Nets having to send a 2025 pick out to make the deal work. That is what I'd be shooting for.

That's a likely lotto pick even if Fox doesn't ask out, and if he gets dealt it could be easily be top 5. they are 10th in lotto right now.

I agree. I would def take Sac 2026 pick but I dont think they can trade it because they don't have a 2025 pick, so it most likely will have to be a swap which wouldn't make sense because Nets is likely to have a worst record than kings. OKC has a buttload of pick so they will need to come up off 2 of those picks at least, and not no cheap picks that's going to be picks 25-30. However I would take Cason Wallace and 1 pick though


if we trade them worst of our 4 FRPs in 2025 they can trade 2026 though right? Think that would be worst of Knicks, Houston, OKC so it's going to be late 20's.

yea it gets a lil complicated but I trust Marks will get the best package for a guy like CamJ.
I would go for Topic, Isiah Joe, Philly pick 2025 and 1 of the better picks that OKC has for 2026. I think that's a fair deal, hope we can get more but this should be the minimum
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Re: Trade SZN: Are the Nets Kingmaker, or Overplayed? 

Post#31 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jan 6, 2025 1:44 am

I remember hearing around draft night that Topic was high on our boards if they traded into the late lottery.

Can definitely see a deal with Topic, salary filler and a quality over quantity pick, plus maybe one weaker pick for Cam J.
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Post#32 » by Papi_swav » Mon Jan 6, 2025 3:12 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:I remember hearing around draft night that Topic was high on our boards if they traded into the late lottery.

Can definitely see a deal with Topic, salary filler and a quality over quantity pick, plus maybe one weaker pick for Cam J.

apparently, Topic is too high of a price for Thunder fans
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Post#33 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Jan 6, 2025 5:39 pm

Papi_swav wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:I remember hearing around draft night that Topic was high on our boards if they traded into the late lottery.

Can definitely see a deal with Topic, salary filler and a quality over quantity pick, plus maybe one weaker pick for Cam J.

apparently, Topic is too high of a price for Thunder fans

Good thing fans don’t make the deals lol
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Post#34 » by LakersSoul » Tue Jan 7, 2025 5:04 am

Rui + Gabe Vincent + JHS + Knecht + 2 unprotected FTPs

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Cam Johnson + Dayton Sharpe

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Post#35 » by ecuhus1981 » Tue Jan 7, 2025 1:53 pm

LakersSoul wrote:Rui + Gabe Vincent + JHS + Knecht + 2 unprotected FTPs

For

Cam Johnson + Dayton Sharpe

I would do this, mostly due to the 2 unprotected 1sts. I'm not as high on Knecht as some, but he's clearly got a viable NBA skill. I would rather not take back any salary past this season, and open up even more capspace in the summer. But Gabe and Rui's combined salary is not THAT much more than Johnson makes.

If we are throwing in Sharpe, I would like to get one of LAL'S bench bigs instead of JHS. The Lakers declined his 3rd year anyway, so he's UFA after the season.
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Post#36 » by LakersSoul » Tue Jan 7, 2025 2:17 pm

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LakersSoul wrote:Rui + Gabe Vincent + JHS + Knecht + 2 unprotected FTPs

For

Cam Johnson + Dayton Sharpe

I would do this, mostly due to the 2 unprotected 1sts. I'm not as high on Knecht as some, but he's clearly got a viable NBA skill. I would rather not take back any salary past this season, and open up even more capspace in the summer. But Gabe and Rui's combined salary is not THAT much more than Johnson makes.

If we are throwing in Sharpe, I would like to get one of LAL'S bench bigs instead of JHS. The Lakers declined his 3rd year anyway, so he's UFA after the season.


Yeah, because of the multiple years on Gabe and Rui and opening up slots, Lakers add Knecht and the 2 Unprotected FRPs.
I believe you can trade Knecht quite easily while both Gabe/Rui are serviceable men so they can be traded down the line without major issues.

Replacing JHS for Wood or Jaxson is good too.

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