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Post#21 » by jerseyjac » Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:21 pm

the fact is, Marcus looks like he wants to break out of his shell with Kidd gone...obviously he is not at the level of Harris...and I'm not saying he will be...Marcus is a pure pg and eventually we should see him and Devin together in the back court...
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Post#22 » by netsforever » Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:06 pm

jerseyjac wrote:the fact is, Marcus looks like he wants to break out of his shell with Kidd gone...obviously he is not at the level of Harris...and I'm not saying he will be...Marcus is a pure pg and eventually we should see him and Devin together in the back court...


I'm sure that Frank will use them together frequently.
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Post#23 » by Sharcm1 » Sat Mar 1, 2008 5:17 pm

Every one so high on harris because of one game. thats great.

I think harris will be a tony parker type point guard. But marcus could be a kidd like point guard. obviously I don't think either will be as good as the players I compared them to. But which type would rather have running this team.

I like marcus. His game is finally come out. He can pass, He is a great pick and roll player, he can rebound and shoot. the only thing he can't do is defend. Give him time on that one. He is only a second year player.

It is unfortunate that Harris is the starter. There is no way you trade kidd for harris and not let this be his team. But marcus will move on to another team some day and show us why it should have been his team.

I think we have the players for marcus's style of play, not harris. Carter and rj are the scorers. They need someone to set up the rest of the guys, like boone and williams. Without marcus dishing to boone his offense would have been no existant these past 4 games.

Harris is a good player. but he is a scorer not a set up man. that leaves it to carter to do all the passing. We are not at our best when that happens.

I would start marcus and bring harris off the bench. harris is an energy scorer and he can provide the lift. Marcus will disappear again and armstrong will be our back up point.
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Post#24 » by Netaman » Sat Mar 1, 2008 5:44 pm

Sharcm1 wrote:Every one so high on harris because of one game. thats great.

I think harris will be a tony parker type point guard. But marcus could be a kidd like point guard. obviously I don't think either will be as good as the players I compared them to. But which type would rather have running this team.

I like marcus. His game is finally come out. He can pass, He is a great pick and roll player, he can rebound and shoot. the only thing he can't do is defend. Give him time on that one. He is only a second year player.

It is unfortunate that Harris is the starter. There is no way you trade kidd for harris and not let this be his team. But marcus will move on to another team some day and show us why it should have been his team.

I think we have the players for marcus's style of play, not harris. Carter and rj are the scorers. They need someone to set up the rest of the guys, like boone and williams. Without marcus dishing to boone his offense would have been no existant these past 4 games.

Harris is a good player. but he is a scorer not a set up man. that leaves it to carter to do all the passing. We are not at our best when that happens.

I would start marcus and bring harris off the bench. harris is an energy scorer and he can provide the lift. Marcus will disappear again and armstrong will be our back up point.


Marcus will never be Kidd. He will never dream of being Kidd. There is no chance he is even 1/2 the player Kidd was. Marcus has a lot of pure PG skills and he is a very good passer but he is never going to be good defensively and he is never going to be a good rebounder. The biggest problem I see is his mentality. His confidence is fragile and he doesn't seem to be a very intuitive player. He could develop those skills over time, the problem is that Devin Harris has to be the unquestioned starter and leader of this team. Harris is a borderline all star already and is quite simply better then Marcus at everything, except maybe passing.

If I was going to project Marcus Williams' and compare him to a past player I really believe he can be a lot like Mark Jackson. He will never be the most athletic and he will never be the best scorer on the floor, but he can run an offense, and he has enough talent that he can score enough for himself. The question for me is all about his development mentally. With Harris on board we are not "married" to him for the long term so it is going to be his job to step up (not ours to coddle him). So far he has shown us that he has ability however questions still remain. After Harris lead the 20-5 run and Marcus came back in the game, the lead disappeared and he didn't look very confident with the 3 shots he took.

While I like Marcus Williams and think he could develop into a solid starting PG in this league I think his best use to us would be as a trade chip (either to trade up in the draft or packaged with RJ/VC). While he has shown talent he hasn't shown me anything that proves that is a going to be a clutch/winning player. He could develop because he did display that ability in college, but at this point with his fragile demeanor and the fact that he is heading back to the bench I think it is too big of a risk to wait on him when his trade value might be pretty high to a team without a PG after this recent spurt.
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Post#25 » by SpeedyG » Sat Mar 1, 2008 8:25 pm

Actually, we are married to Harris. His contract (which i believe is close to RJ's salary and starts next year) makes it so.
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Post#26 » by Pointguard01 » Sat Mar 1, 2008 8:52 pm

^Nope. Harris makes under 8 million next season while RJ will be over 13 million.
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Post#27 » by Netaman » Sat Mar 1, 2008 11:35 pm

SpeedyG wrote:Actually, we are married to Harris. His contract (which i believe is close to RJ's salary and starts next year) makes it so.


"With Harris on board we are not married to him"

When I said "him" I meant MW. Harris is clearly the centerpiece of the team. I wouldn't be surprised if both RJ and VC are shopped this offseason.
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Post#28 » by MrDollarBills » Sun Mar 2, 2008 10:03 pm

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Post#29 » by netsforever » Mon Mar 3, 2008 1:56 am

I think we're overrating Harris just a tad here.

While he certainly won't be moved, he's never going to be a player on the level of a Jefferson or a Carter.
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Post#30 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Mar 3, 2008 2:17 am

I don't think Marcus should be starting though. I like the Harris/Carter backcourt.
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Post#31 » by lurkingobeiscity » Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:50 am

netsforever wrote:I think we're overrating Harris just a tad here.

While he certainly won't be moved, he's never going to be a player on the level of a Jefferson or a Carter.


I could see him hitting Jefferson's level. It will take time if it ever happens at all, but Jefferson isn't elite. I agree that he isn't someone to consider as a franchise player or any thing close though.

Harris' contract could be a blessing if he blossoms but the problem with projecting his performance presents a probable I should go to bed. Night
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Post#32 » by Duiz » Mon Mar 3, 2008 9:50 am

Marcuys Williams should be starting cause he knows the system. Devin Harris playing a good strong 8 minutes off the bench should help. You might want to sign Tyronne Lue to help you.

lol Sherlock Holmes.. obviously Harris... I <3 Harris
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Post#33 » by jerseyjac » Mon Mar 3, 2008 1:35 pm

I dunno about overrating...maybe projecting too far...not that he's the absolute official on projecting a player's capability...but even Mark Jackson thinks this kid can be an allstar in the East...I dont think thats far fetched...

as far RJ's level...I think he's pretty close (75% of the way there)...minus some experience and toughness...RJ plays a tough pos. SF...pretty big log jam as far as being recognized by the league...but regardless, Harris has to show (prove) he can lead this team on the floor...I'm not saying the same way Kidd did...but move the ball, get people involved and most importantly drive and find that open man...this is where I can see most of assists coming and where he can excel...which is very critical to the Nets success...
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Post#34 » by jerseyjac » Mon Mar 3, 2008 1:38 pm

Duiz wrote:Marcuys Williams should be starting cause he knows the system. Devin Harris playing a good strong 8 minutes off the bench should help. You might want to sign Tyronne Lue to help you.

lol Sherlock Holmes.. obviously Harris... I <3 Harris


we dont need him we have D. Armstrong...
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Post#35 » by SteveNets15 » Mon Mar 3, 2008 4:32 pm

Marcus did a good job he went 3-3 as a starter but its time for Devin to take the point so we can get a quicker start.We can't go down early and expect to win playing catch up all game especially in the WEST like you seen last night vs the Spurs.I also think Diop should get the start at center alongside Boone.We wanna make the playoffs right? Frank has to make an adjustment now!
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Post#36 » by netsforever » Mon Mar 3, 2008 5:16 pm

stevieboy wrote:Marcus did a good job he went 3-3 as a starter but its time for Devin to take the point so we can get a quicker start.We can't go down early and expect to win playing catch up all game especially in the WEST like you seen last night vs the Spurs.I also think Diop should get the start at center alongside Boone.We wanna make the playoffs right? Frank has to make an adjustment now!


I think that Marcus's game might be better suited to starting at least temporarily.

And anyway, it's not as if Harris isn't getting playing time.
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Post#37 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Mar 3, 2008 5:37 pm

I don't think Marcus needs to start when Harris has scored, what, 40 something points in 40 mins time? Marcus has done an admirable job but I don't see the need for him to start anymore, Devin needs to be playing with the starters so we can get off to better starts. The time for baby sitting, burping and putting pacifers in some of these players mouths is over!

Diop/Boone/Jefferson/Carter/Harris, that should be the first unit.
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Post#38 » by netsforever » Mon Mar 3, 2008 5:46 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:I don't think Marcus needs to start when Harris has scored, what, 40 something points in 40 mins time? Marcus has done an admirable job but I don't see the need for him to start anymore, Devin needs to be playing with the starters so we can get off to better starts. The time for baby sitting, burping and putting pacifers in some of these players mouths is over!

Diop/Boone/Jefferson/Carter/Harris, that should be the first unit.


I just don't think it matters who starts when Harris is playing more minutes anyway... 36-19 over Williams in our last game.
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Post#39 » by MrDollarBills » Mon Mar 3, 2008 6:04 pm

I think it matters in terms of getting off to a better, faster start. Set the pace of the game from the tip, you know?

I just hope, echoing RJ's sentiments, that Marcus doesn't fade on the team and keeps up what has been so far very decent play from him. The team needs him to be a factor out there.
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Post#40 » by EFF » Mon Mar 3, 2008 7:34 pm

I'm afraid Marcus is gonna give up competing for the starting spot. That'll put him right back where he started when Kidd was here.

You can already tell it's happening the way the coach and the crowd favor Devin.

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