Jason Kidd: Quit Blaming Me

[Adam1221]

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so you know the migrain situation as a FACT of the matter???

Dude ome on you dont really believe that it was legit right?

[jerseyjac]

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Dude ome on you dont really believe that it was legit right?

Adam, my dude, I actually read it as black and white hearsay...people want to read into so many of these so-called situations which they let blemish a player's rep, and if that scenario was true does it really sway what he's done for this franchise...when I read it all you got from me was a chuckle, whether true or not...and the very most I can view it as a protest, or Jason Kidd putting up his white flag...

Everyone wants a story book ending...everyone wants the situation to end like roses...you see something tarnished, I see a forced ending where we got as much as were going to get for Kidd...You really think there was better deal out there whether Kidd went publically or not...I'm sorry, I disagree...and Thorn even stated there was anything better on the table, offseason 07, during the season and at the time he went public...

What you should believe is we werent going to get anything dramtically better than what we got...

you tell me what the better deal was...

[Adam1221]

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Adam, my dude, I actually read it as black and white hearsay...people want to read into so many of these so-called situations which they let blemish a player's rep that in situation, doesnt even sway what he's done for this franchise...when I read it all you got from me was a chuckle, whether true or not...

Everyone wants a story book ending...everyone wants situation to end like roses...you see something tarnished, I see a forced ending where we got as much as were going to get for Kidd...You really think there was better deal out there whether Kidd went publically or not...I'm sorry, I disagree...and Thorn even stated there was anything better on the table, offseason 07, during the season and at the time he went public...

What you should believe is we werent going to get anything dramtically better than what we got...

you tell me what the better deal was...

I see where youre coming from, but still I lost my respect to the man because really you cant maintain the same respect you once had for a guy after he spat in your face.

[halfHAVOC]

kidd didn't quit, the team quit on him. they never tried 100% every night and he never got a legit contending team.

think if u were in kidd's shoes in ur 30's end of ur career, wouldn't u want to go to a contender?

[jerseyjac]

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I see where youre coming from, but still I lost my respect to the man because really you cant maintain the same respect you once had for a guy after he spat in your face.

I dont view it as Kidd spitting in the team's or fan's faces...I know why you feel this way...but I do not understand this perspective at all

[SpeedyG]

I completely agree with what a lot of you guys have said. First off, up until the trade was completed, EVERYONE was saying the right things. It wasn't until Rod took a shot at Kidd saying that his heart wasn't in it that Kidd took shots at the Nets. I think Kidd's comment of "Rod expects me to wake up and get a triple-double" speaks volumes of how he felt about the Nets. IMO, he felt like the team looked at him as their "saviour", much like they did when he first got here. Unfortunately, he is older and yes, his play has declined (and along with the ascent of some younger guys at his position) and he just can't carry the team anymore.

Let's assume that Kidd did quit on the team. That the whole migraine thing really didn't happen. And that he made it difficult for the Nets to deal him. OK, let's get those out of the way.

Was there anything else that he said in that interview that WAS NOT true?

No, everything he said was true. About how this team has no identity. About how the team would ALWAYS sleepwalk through the regular season and wake up only when missing the playoffs becomes an absolute certainty. About how there isn't a clear plan from the management on how to make that next step after acquiring Vince.

Everything he said was true. Whether he quit on us or not, we have no proof of. Everyone is responsible, though the share varies from person to person, for the unfortunate ending of Kidd's career in New Jersey.

And since I'm in Florida and can't be at the games, PLEASE DO NOT BE BITTER and turn Kidd into the bad guy when he does visit the Meadowlands. Do not become who we always make fun of (you guys know which fans I'm talking about).

Be thankful for what Kidd did to this franchise, even playing with a bad back and one leg. Realize that while there will be guys with incredible talent such as Chris Paul and Deron Williams that will come around every year or two, players like Kidd are once in a decade (if not lifetime).

There's not a lot of players in the NBA who can completely dominate a game while shooting 0 of 10 from the field, or even attempting a shot. Yes, Kidd is not the perfect human being. We all know his flaws off the court.

But if I was to show a young player how to play the PG position (or basketball in general), Kidd's gametapes will always be at the top of the list.

[jerseyjac]

I completely agree with what a lot of you guys have said. First off, up until the trade was completed, EVERYONE was saying the right things. It wasn't until Rod took a shot at Kidd saying that his heart wasn't in it that Kidd took shots at the Nets. I think Kidd's comment of "Rod expects me to wake up and get a triple-double" speaks volumes of how he felt about the Nets. IMO, he felt like the team looked at him as their "saviour", much like they did when he first got here. Unfortunately, he is older and yes, his play has declined (and along with the ascent of some younger guys at his position) and he just can't carry the team anymore.

Let's assume that Kidd did quit on the team. That the whole migraine thing really didn't happen. And that he made it difficult for the Nets to deal him. OK, let's get those out of the way.

Was there anything else that he said in that interview that WAS NOT true?

No, everything he said was true. About how this team has no identity. About how the team would ALWAYS sleepwalk through the regular season and wake up only when missing the playoffs becomes an absolute certainty. About how there isn't a clear plan from the management on how to make that next step after acquiring Vince.

Everything he said was true. Whether he quit on us or not, we have no proof of. Everyone is responsible, though the share varies from person to person, for the unfortunate ending of Kidd's career in New Jersey.

And since I'm in Florida and can't be at the games, PLEASE DO NOT BE BITTER and turn Kidd into the bad guy when he does visit the Meadowlands. Do not become who we always make fun of (you guys know which fans I'm talking about).

Be thankful for what Kidd did to this franchise, even playing with a bad back and one leg. Realize that while there will be guys with incredible talent such as Chris Paul and Deron Williams that will come around every year or two, players like Kidd are once in a decade (if not lifetime).

There's not a lot of players in the NBA who can completely dominate a game while shooting 0 of 10 from the field, or even attempting a shot. Yes, Kidd is not the perfect human being. We all know his flaws off the court.

But if I was to show a young player how to play the PG position (or basketball in general), Kidd's gametapes will always be at the top of the list.

thank speedy...I can appreciate your words in line with what I said...pretty much what I'm hoping for too...

[MrDollarBills]

I don't think anyone is saying that Kidd's commentary isn't true, it is, and after these last few games someone would be foolish to dismiss what he was saying, its the same thing Nets fans have been saying Opie started steering the ship right over the edge of the earth!! The team has no identity, and no leadership in the one place that it really matters, in the head coach's seat.

I say we absolutely should respect Kidd for what he did for this team, but i don't think that its fair or "real" for posters to demand that other posters forget or don't speak about the way he left this team, that is apart of his legacy just as much as the two finals appearances and the rebirth of this franchise. If we are to have open discussion here as Nets fans we should be able to hear from both sides of the aisle, not just everyone that wants to worship the ground Kidd walks on and doesn't want to read anything negative about the way he left. Whether you believe that he had a migraine or not is up for debate, but(and this isn't singling you out jac) for anyone to say that he left this team in a positive light or handled this situation like a professional(like KG) is an outright lie.

[Da big3]

memo to kidd: just your trap you got what you wanted

we seriously need to stop being raptard fans

[SpeedyG]

And perhaps the greatest assist the Nets received all night was an hour after the game from Kidd himself, who spent 20 minutes in the weight room in his robe, with Harris listening intently to every word his illustrious predecessor had to say.

"I told him to be aggressive, be him, do what he does best," Kidd related. "Those guys will follow, and they'll help him -- he has some talented guys over there. They're searching as a team. The challenge with them is fighting for the playoff spot -- they have to come together, and they have a lot of games left to achieve that.

"But Devin has to be aggressive. He has to look to do what he does best, which is put pressure on the defense. I think he'll do a good job up there."

[SpeedyG]

I say we absolutely should respect Kidd for what he did for this team, but i don't think that its fair or "real" for posters to demand that other posters forget or don't speak about the way he left this team, that is apart of his legacy just as much as the two finals appearances and the rebirth of this franchise. If we are to have open discussion here as Nets fans we should be able to hear from both sides of the aisle, not just everyone that wants to worship the ground Kidd walks on and doesn't want to read anything negative about the way he left. Whether you believe that he had a migraine or not is up for debate, but(and this isn't singling you out jac) for anyone to say that he left this team in a positive light or handled this situation like a professional(like KG) is an outright lie.

But that's just the thing. You're bashing Kidd primarily because you believe he "quit" on the team because of the whole migraine deal. Yet, you have no proof that he actually faked it. None of us do.

The "migraine" was really the only major thing that separated Kidd's break-up with the Nets from KG in Minny. And while we can all speculate about whether his heart was no longer in it, or he had quit on the team, we have no proof of it. It's better to ignore these speculations and focus on the facts:

Everyone was responsible: from ownership, to management, to coaching staff, to players.

[isekii]

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But that's just the thing. You're bashing Kidd primarily because you believe he "quit" on the team because of the whole migraine deal. Yet, you have no proof that he actually faked it. None of us do.

The "migraine" was really the only major thing that separated Kidd's break-up with the Nets from KG in Minny. And while we can all speculate about whether his heart was no longer in it, or he had quit on the team, we have no proof of it. It's better to ignore these speculations and focus on the facts:

Everyone was responsible: from ownership, to management, to coaching staff, to players.

The thing that bothers me about Kidd's departure is that he's playing with mad hustle in Dallas. Driving to the hoop. Diving into the stands for balls going out of bounds etc...

I haven't seen that from him this year on the Nets.

Didn't he say he didn't demand a trade during the interview with Michelle Beatle or whatever her name is.
You know that's absolutely false. When Rod said his heart wasn't in it.. you can totally tell by the way he was playing out there.

Also his agent saying, if he isn't traded to a contender, he'll steer his agents away from the Nets ? LoL give me a break...
Rod should/would have sent his ass to wherever he felt like it.

Overall he was just being a big bitch about it.. that's why I think some fans are a bit bitter about him.

Don't get me wrong. He turned our entire franchise around and I thank him greatly for that. I still like him as a player. But as a person ?... I'm right in the middle swinging back and forth.

If he wanted to win so bad, he could've signed with the Spurs for less money and won a couple championships... but he signed with us for more money.

I honestly think he was more upset about not getting the extension rather than having the right personnel out there.

[dacher]

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After taxes, Spurs offered Kidd the same amount of money as the Nets could have offered. I can't know why he stayed -- the story doing for his family (his wife wanting to break into broadcasting), loyalty to young guys like RJ and KMart are reasonable.


From what I've seen of Kidd in Dallas, he is playing 95% the same as he did here. He's no longer pre-microfracture Kidd. He's twilight of his career Kidd. Still great, but no longer prime stud superstar who can dominate at will.

Losing makes everyone looks bad, no matter how big a star. TMac looked like shyt on losing Magic, Wade on this Heat team, KG on TWolves at the end. They are still great players, but they stink of losing.

How different does the same player, like KG, Pierce, TMac smell, put in a winning environment?

I have no idea about his extension demand. Maybe he demanding to be paid extra to stay on a poor situation. Bad teams have to pay extra to get and keep good players. Great fanchises attract good players just on reputation.

Kidd leaving now is the best chance of saving this franchise as quickly as possible. Wait any longer, it will only get worse. Things had already broken down.

[jerseyjac]

I don't think anyone is saying that Kidd's commentary isn't true, it is, and after these last few games someone would be foolish to dismiss what he was saying, its the same thing Nets fans have been saying Opie started steering the ship right over the edge of the earth!! The team has no identity, and no leadership in the one place that it really matters, in the head coach's seat.

I say we absolutely should respect Kidd for what he did for this team, but i don't think that its fair or "real" for posters to demand that other posters forget or don't speak about the way he left this team, that is apart of his legacy just as much as the two finals appearances and the rebirth of this franchise. If we are to have open discussion here as Nets fans we should be able to hear from both sides of the aisle, not just everyone that wants to worship the ground Kidd walks on and doesn't want to read anything negative about the way he left. Whether you believe that he had a migraine or not is up for debate, but(and this isn't singling you out jac) for anyone to say that he left this team in a positive light or handled this situation like a professional(like KG) is an outright lie.

everyone who has been here for longer than a minute knows the deal on this board...

Call it however you want it...(and I know its just not me)...

At the very most I can see sour grapes, I can understand bitterness becase of the way Jason Kidd left...and if you feel its neccessary to tell the world he quit on us...thats fine...but I truly view that perspective as young and babyish...(its like saying why did my best friend have to move...an exaggeration yes, but thats the direction I see this going as articles drag this out and fans continue to voice in that light)

you want the ULITMATE scenario when you mention KG...we all wish players could depart like he did...l just feel thats unrealistic...

when you use the word "quit"...the negatve conotation it delivers, almost takes away from his Nets stature...and maybe as some say, it should...you call it as Kidd giving up on the Nets...

In actuality, we all know deep down inside Kidd took us as far as he could and we're fortunate he left when he did...he's better off on a team like Dallas than in Jersey...for the obvious reasons...

honestly I never worshiped the ground that Kidd walked on, there are a lot of things on and off the court I dislike, that I actually dont feel its necessary to voice...

there is far more good than bad...and I choose to look back at where he took us and the glory days he left behind as a Net...

The confusion I was addressing was where some feel the concentration should lie in regards to Kidd as a Net...if you want to concentrate on the sour grapes ending, be my guest...but that is a narrow view...and only a 5 minute story...

All Nets fans will look back 5-10yrs from now and truly see and reflect as I feel we should now...

[jerseyjac]

After taxes, Spurs offered Kidd the same amount of money as the Nets could have offered. I can't know why he stayed -- the story doing for his family (his wife wanting to break into broadcasting), loyalty to young guys like RJ and KMart are reasonable.


From what I've seen of Kidd in Dallas, he is playing 95% the same as he did here. He's no longer pre-microfracture Kidd. He's twilight of his career Kidd. Still great, but no longer prime stud superstar who can dominate at will.

Losing makes everyone looks bad, no matter how big a star. TMac looked like shyt on losing Magic, Wade on this Heat team, KG on TWolves at the end. They are still great players, but they stink of losing.

How different does the same player, like KG, Pierce, TMac smell, put in a winning environment?

I have no idea about his extension demand. Maybe he demanding to be paid extra to stay on a poor situation. Bad teams have to pay extra to get and keep good players. Great fanchises attract good players just on reputation.

Kidd leaving now is the best chance of saving this franchise as quickly as possible. Wait any longer, it will only get worse. Things had already broken down.

I agree...

[jerseyjac]

And perhaps the greatest assist the Nets received all night was an hour after the game from Kidd himself, who spent 20 minutes in the weight room in his robe, with Harris listening intently to every word his illustrious predecessor had to say.

"I told him to be aggressive, be him, do what he does best," Kidd related. "Those guys will follow, and they'll help him -- he has some talented guys over there. They're searching as a team. The challenge with them is fighting for the playoff spot -- they have to come together, and they have a lot of games left to achieve that.

"But Devin has to be aggressive. He has to look to do what he does best, which is put pressure on the defense. I think he'll do a good job up there."

thanx Jason...Devin needs the encouragement...

[EFF]

so..why wont Kidd just shut the hell up? Spends all that time with us and not a peep about anything. Now he's gone and suddenly he's a freakin Stephen A. Smith?

Now I'm all for Kidd, but he's starting to piss me off.

He's whining now about playing in jersey? How bout KG playing in Minny for all those years? have a little respect for all your former teammates, organization who gave you a hundred mill, and the fans that did care and stop talking with so much regret...if not altogether.

[dacher]

Yeah. But I think it'll die down after this and out of everyone's system.

It seems like the writer expanded some Kidd quotes that he made after Knicks-Mavs game on Monday. It's not like there's any good NYC area NBA news worth writing about or reading. Berman is using a few chosen post game quotes to bash the Knicks mostly.

Also, Kidd has worked with these same metro area sports media over 6 years, who've been very complementary of him, so out of appreciation, I think he threw them some hot quotes and interviews.

[Rich Rane]

So Kidd is now more evil because he wanted a bit more recognition? We all know how much publicity jersey gets and it's always second to NY because we share each others' media outlets. This is a basketball team within just over 200 miles has three big sports towns in New York, Boston, and Philadelphia. For their one Stanley Cup in the 90s, the Rangers got more publicity than the Devils ever did. Football? All NY.

Unlike KG, Kidd hardly got recognition from the media for anything. At the very least, KG was voted an MVP Award by the media. Hell, PG the media made two-time MVP can't even play defense.

The article's title is so misleading.

[MrDollarBills]

After reading the article it didn't seem like he was really dissing Jersey, i agree, the Nets should have had more media exposure but we don't even have our own freakin News channels here, i know more about NY News than i do about NJ news!!!! But for a guy who faked a migraine after his request for an -extension- was denied and had -resigned here- by CHOICE after the Spurs offered him the same amount of cash, he sure seems like he has a lot of regrets about playing here after the fact. I salute the Nets fans who love this man more than he gave a damn about them, but he can go to hell.