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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#21 » by bigbreakfast » Fri Jul 4, 2008 2:18 am

St.Nick wrote:If the guy could actually play then I wouldn't be able to say the things I do but deep down anyone that has actually watched him in the NBA knows that he really can't play on this level.


I actually watched most of Yi's games last year, and, deep down, I think worst case scenario he'll be a solid starter in the NBA. So now we're at an impasse... you think he can't play in this league, I think he can... what's next, you're going to change what you wrote to "anyone that knows what they're talking about AND that has actually watched him in the NBA knows that he really can't play on this level" ? :lol:
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#22 » by okanoho » Fri Jul 4, 2008 3:02 am

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St.Nick wrote:Yi is a soft tweener, without ball handling skills, without strength, and without any sort of passing ability.

On the otherside, his measurables are great: 7ft tall, super vertical jump, a "hard working, high character" guy, and a marketing dream to any team looking to sell jerseys or advertising to Chinese companies. He also has a nice looking jumper (when being guarded by a chair).

With that being said: did any of you Yi supporters actually watch him play last year? He was dreadfully bad, perhaps the worst starting player in the entire league. He was outmuscled, outsmarted, outhustled, and just plain outed as a fraud wrapped in a shamockery.

Yes, the apologists can continue to point to Yi's measurables, the fact that he is young (or is he? No he's not), and the whole "look at Dirk in his first year" argument...but really, just watch the guy play. He is horrible and light years away from being an even half decent contributor to an NBA team. I feel bad for anyone that is putting hope into his developing into a R-Jeff type of performer, because it will never happen. The best player you got in the deal was Bobby Simmons (I'm so sorry).

PS> I have never had any bias against the Nets, I actually kind of like you guys due to the Kidd years. But Yi is the biggest overly marketed, undertalented poster boy that the NBA has ever pimped out. I understand their thinking, but its a losing bet when their superstar plays like a teenaged girl.


St Nick will simply just not rest until he sees Yi fail..


I just think people need to examine the facts about this guy before just making silly, overly hopeful statements on him just due to NBA front office generated hype.

If the guy could actually play then I wouldn't be able to say the things I do but deep down anyone that has actually watched him in the NBA knows that he really can't play on this level.



St Nick will simply just not rest until he sees Yi fail.. x 2

i was in the bucks forum the whole year and he just doesn't rest himself
no matter how many attacks he takes, he will just not shut up
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#23 » by Tang_Man » Fri Jul 4, 2008 3:16 am

St.Nick wrote:Yi is a soft tweener, without ball handling skills, without strength, and without any sort of passing ability.

On the otherside, his measurables are great: 7ft tall, super vertical jump, a "hard working, high character" guy, and a marketing dream to any team looking to sell jerseys or advertising to Chinese companies. He also has a nice looking jumper (when being guarded by a chair).

With that being said: did any of you Yi supporters actually watch him play last year? He was dreadfully bad, perhaps the worst starting player in the entire league. He was outmuscled, outsmarted, outhustled, and just plain outed as a fraud wrapped in a shamockery.

Yes, the apologists can continue to point to Yi's measurables, the fact that he is young (or is he? No he's not), and the whole "look at Dirk in his first year" argument...but really, just watch the guy play. He is horrible and light years away from being an even half decent contributor to an NBA team. I feel bad for anyone that is putting hope into his developing into a R-Jeff type of performer, because it will never happen. The best player you got in the deal was Bobby Simmons (I'm so sorry).

PS> I have never had any bias against the Nets, I actually kind of like you guys due to the Kidd years. But Yi is the biggest overly marketed, undertalented poster boy that the NBA has ever pimped out. I understand their thinking, but its a losing bet when their superstar plays like a teenaged girl.


LMAO. I am new to this board but I have read the garbage you wrote about Yi for the past year. You obviously don't like Yi and fair enough. Such is life. However your post is just so full of hate and is so personnel. It's as if Yi raped your mom and wife/girlfriend or something bro. Yi average 8.6 ppg and 5.2 rpg. While these are not great numbers they are quite respectable for a rookie. He also had a game where he got 29/10. You don't get those numbers if you can't play. However who am I kidding and why am I wasting my time on a hater like yourself? You're obviously a pretty bitter and twisted character. Hence your hatred. You're living in Bratislava, Slovakia right? There's a real hot bed for producing top quality NBA players isn't it? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So you MUST be a real good judge of basketball talent right? :roll: LMFAO.
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#24 » by Tang_Man » Fri Jul 4, 2008 5:29 am

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PS> I have never had any bias against the Nets, I actually kind of like you guys due to the Kidd years. But Yi is the biggest overly marketed, undertalented poster boy that the NBA has ever pimped out. I understand their thinking, but its a losing bet when their superstar plays like a teenaged girl.


This is hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who do you think you are bro????? You're ONE fan, you're opinion count for ONE just like another fan. As if you were opinion is better than everybody else. Get real! It's funny stuff. What have you done on the basketball court that makes you such an expert and have such a strong opinion on a player such that we must all listen to you? Whatever it is, it had better be good!
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#25 » by Tang_Man » Fri Jul 4, 2008 5:34 am

St.Dick wrote:If the guy could actually play then I wouldn't be able to say the things I do but deep down anyone that has actually watched him in the NBA knows that he really can't play on this level.


Anyone???? Or just YOU bro? Don't get reality mix up with your inflated ego internet tough guy. :lol:
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Post#26 » by St.Nick » Fri Jul 4, 2008 8:07 am

Funny how many fans from the Milwaukee board are now on the Nets board. I wonder if they might be biased towards liking Yi based on something other than just his bball skills....whats the translation in Mandarin for "emotionally invested homer that supports a player just because he shares the same cultural background?"

Fellas, the guy was the worst starting SF/PF in the NBA over the last 50 games of the season. He showed the resiliency of a crushed snail after teams figured out how to play him. I mean, look at his stats after the AS break...5ppg/3.5rpg/0.9apg/34%fg. Now that is just putrid.

I swear, Yi fans are in denial about his actual playing skills and performance. Unfortunately for them, the NBA isn't the same as a slick Nike commercial with their favorite player being framed as the infallible star.

As soon as Yi comes in and plays like a marginal NBA player with some consistency I will shut up. Until then, whenever I see irrational statements about a guy who's reputation is all based on hype and blind racial support then I will have to inject some reality into the conversation.
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#27 » by MnM_McgradyMing » Fri Jul 4, 2008 10:22 am

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As soon as Yi comes in and plays like a marginal NBA player with some consistency I will shut up. Until then, whenever I see irrational statements about a guy who's reputation is all based on hype and blind racial support then I will have to inject some reality into the conversation.


Now this guy is ignorantly throwing around the race card. Why do all Yi fans have to be 'Chinese'?
There were Yi fans from Milwaukee that told you to $#%@ off? Seriously, the only one that needs a reality check is YOU! So far no one here (Except maybe 1 or 2 people) said that Yi was a great player or that his gonna be the next KG/Dirk. So what was it that upset you so much that anyone has said on this NJN forum? Unlike you, most of us hold realistic and sensible opinions on Yi and we do understand that the guy needs a lot of work. We really dont need you trolling every single Yi thread telling us your biased opinion.
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Post#28 » by St.Nick » Fri Jul 4, 2008 10:42 am

I never said that all Yi fans had to be Chinese, but certainly a good proportion of the ones that are following him around like lost puppies are doing so because he shares their cultural heritage. Anyone with Ming or Tang in their screen name is an easy giveaway.

And tell me, Why else would you give loyalty to a player that completely bombed his first year? Why not go support Brian Cardinal (who btw put up similar numbers to Yi's post AS game stats)?

Sorry if you don't like it but I am just calling it like it is. Generally speaking Asians will give him more support than they would another player and that makes them the ones "playing the race card." I have no problem with Asians, many of my past friends (before I moved to Europe) were Asian and I have traveled to several Asian countries. I just don't like ignorance and bias. If a guy sucks, he sucks whether he is Chinese, African, or a Floridian. If you didn't notice that Yi sucked last year then there is something wrong with your eyes.
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#29 » by MnM_McgradyMing » Fri Jul 4, 2008 11:02 am

St.Nick wrote:I never said that all Yi fans had to be Chinese, but certainly a good proportion of the ones that are following him around like lost puppies are doing so because he shares their cultural heritage. Anyone with Ming or Tang in their screen name is an easy giveaway.

And tell me, Why else would you give loyalty to a player that completely bombed his first year? Why not go support Brian Cardinal (who btw put up similar numbers to Yi's post AS game stats)?

Sorry if you don't like it but I am just calling it like it is. Generally speaking Asians will give him more support than they would another player and that makes them the ones "playing the race card." I have no problem with Asians, many of my past friends (before I moved to Europe) were Asian and I have traveled to several Asian countries. I just don't like ignorance and bias. If a guy sucks, he sucks whether he is Chinese, African, or a Floridian. If you didn't notice that Yi sucked last year then there is something wrong with your eyes.


So what exactly is wrong with Chinese fans following Yi? Italian fans support Andrea, Argentinians support Manu. I wont deny there are some fans who follow Yi like a blind lover but also, there are people out there (like youself) that blindly hate him. Most of us understand that Yi had a poor 2nd year and realize that he has a lot of work to do. We really dont need you making some absurd and exxagerrated comments on how badly he sucks.
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Post#30 » by St.Nick » Fri Jul 4, 2008 11:42 am

Lets say that you are having a discussion with your friends at the local pizza place about Kobe. One side of your friends are saying that he is the best player in the league, the other side is saying that he is a selfish ball hog who will never win a championship without Shaq. Points are made on both sides, the weight of truth shifts the scales several times back and forth, but the conversation is a good and fair one based on logical argument and statistical facts.

Then all the sudden a guy that has overheard your conversation walks over. He is wearing a Kobe jersey, Kobe shoes, and a Lakers hat with Kobe's face airbrushed on it. He jumps in and starts to deny all of the contrarian opinions to Kobe's greatness, using vague allusions to how Kobe is the best ever, even better than Jordan. Your friends point out that Kobe hasn't proven himself to be near the same level as Jordan in many facets of the game--they cite statistics, prior performances, team success and so on, but the Kobe fan refuses to hear any sort of argument that goes against his hero. Instead, he makes promises about the future, attacks the people arguing against Kobe with personal insults, and then storms off.

This is what I am seeing with Yi fans. They are too blindly supportive of him and it kills all reasonable analysis and discussion of him.

The thing is with this conversation, we aren't even talking about Kobe and his place amongst the all time greats, as that would make some sense...we are talking about a guy that was really, really bad last year yet still gets unwavering support from a select few that have shown that they will follow him regardless of facts and logic.

To me, Yi has been an overhyped, underqualified player since day one. Milwaukee fans went cuckoo when I told them this last year, yet now two-thirds of them think that Joe Alexander is going to be a better player than Yi (another example of blind homer love "rookie style" but also an example of their opinion of Yi after watching him extensively). New York fans are much tougher so I think we will see a big heaping of truth on these boards once the season starts.

But there will still be some fans that will not let go for reasons beyond logic and these are the fans that have an emotional investment in him. For these people all reason and fact is trumped by their extreme desire for Yi to achieve because they see in him something in themselves. Its the same reason that women support that woman racecar driver, why gay athletes will support John Amaechi in whatever he does from this point on, and why Asian people love Yao/Yi.

This all makes sense on a psychological level, but you need to realize that with outsiders you look fanatical when your support overtakes logic. Yi is an obvious case of this. Dude stinks and the only people that don't know it are the ones who's team he is on or the ones who have a personal stake in his success.

Maybe the guy does turn into something, but all the evidence is pointing the other way. Just don't lose track of reality and always try to be aware of how your personal feelings are affecting your judgment. And remember, I am an outside observer here. I have nothing against Yi the person, the Bucks, the Nets, or Asian people. I just want to provide the truth, or at least my well reasoned interpretation of it.
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#31 » by BasketBrain » Fri Jul 4, 2008 12:28 pm

St Nick, never judge an NBA player after their rookie season...After the second season you can get a better analysis of a player but NBA players shouldn't be truly judged until three or four seasons in the league(depending on how old they were coming into the league). To make such a statement on an NBA player who was a rookie and came from China to the States is completely unfair and unjustisfied to Yi or any NBA rookie...
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Post#32 » by St.Nick » Fri Jul 4, 2008 1:00 pm

I agree with you in most cases that a rookie deserves lots of leeway. But Yi actually got WORSE as the season went along. This is a bad, bad sign.

I think his combination of being too weak/lacking in post game to be a PF and too slow/bad ball handling skills to be a SF is his ultimate doom. In China he could score over the smaller players and when the big guys got on him he could take shots from the perimeter. Obviously that wasn't the case for him in the NBA as seen by his role in Milwaukee, which could be classified as "sit on the perimeter and do nothing."

Put him on a running team that scores 110 a night and maybe he will be able to contribute with his athleticism and speed but unless he drastically changes his game he will not be a factor in any team that runs a half court offense.
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#33 » by Tang_Man » Fri Jul 4, 2008 4:05 pm

St.Dick wrote:Funny how many fans from the Milwaukee board are now on the Nets board. I wonder if they might be biased towards liking Yi based on something other than just his bball skills....whats the translation in Mandarin for "emotionally invested homer that supports a player just because he shares the same cultural background?"

Fellas, the guy was the worst starting SF/PF in the NBA over the last 50 games of the season. He showed the resiliency of a crushed snail after teams figured out how to play him. I mean, look at his stats after the AS break...5ppg/3.5rpg/0.9apg/34%fg. Now that is just putrid.

I swear, Yi fans are in denial about his actual playing skills and performance. Unfortunately for them, the NBA isn't the same as a slick Nike commercial with their favorite player being framed as the infallible star.

As soon as Yi comes in and plays like a marginal NBA player with some consistency I will shut up. Until then, whenever I see irrational statements about a guy who's reputation is all based on hype and blind racial support then I will have to inject some reality into the conversation.


This is so funny. A Slovakian whose country has achieved nothing acting like he knows it all. That's gold bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You don't like Yi WOW!!!! My opinion is that you're a bastard child of a slovakian ho that got repeatedly gang raped by Russian soldiers during the cold world. Hence your bitterness. Until Solvakia produce an NBA player that's worth anything your opinion is WORTHLESSS bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You DON'T even know what good bball player is. You HAVEN'T seen one in person bro!!!!!
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#34 » by Tang_Man » Fri Jul 4, 2008 4:22 pm

MnM_McgradyMing wrote:
Now this guy is ignorantly throwing around the race card. Why do all Yi fans have to be 'Chinese'?
There were Yi fans from Milwaukee that told you to $#%@ off? Seriously, the only one that needs a reality check is YOU! So far no one here (Except maybe 1 or 2 people) said that Yi was a great player or that his gonna be the next KG/Dirk. So what was it that upset you so much that anyone has said on this NJN forum? Unlike you, most of us hold realistic and sensible opinions on Yi and we do understand that the guy needs a lot of work. We really dont need you trolling every single Yi thread telling us your biased opinion.


Bro you've got to understand with losers like St ****, you've got to get them to prove they are worth SOMETHING before you should lose your cool. This guy has achieved NOTHING on the basketball court to warrant his hate on Yi. He KNOWS that and I KNOW that. So should you. Let's face it when was the last time you heard of a great player that played in the NBA from Slovakia???????????? EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is a reason why Slovakia was on the back end of Czechosolvakia. They were the ASS end of the two countries! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#35 » by Rallyks » Fri Jul 4, 2008 6:56 pm

tang man you need to relax a bit. You can have pretty basketball knowledge without having to have a successful baller come outta your country.

st. nick is totally entitled to his opinion... although it does appear that he has some sort of vendetta against yi and yi fans ( who he thinks for some reason are ALL of chinese background :roll: )
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#36 » by okanoho » Fri Jul 4, 2008 10:31 pm

St.Nick wrote:Then all the sudden a guy that has overheard your conversation walks over. He is wearing a Kobe jersey, Kobe shoes, and a Lakers hat with Kobe's face airbrushed on it. He jumps in and starts to deny all of the contrarian opinions to Kobe's greatness, using vague allusions to how Kobe is the best ever, even better than Jordan. Your friends point out that Kobe hasn't proven himself to be near the same level as Jordan in many facets of the game--they cite statistics, prior performances, team success and so on, but the Kobe fan refuses to hear any sort of argument that goes against his hero. Instead, he makes promises about the future, attacks the people arguing against Kobe with personal insults, and then storms off.



aren't you just doing the opposite?
you are just bashing yi without any reason or fact to support you
if you talk about Post AS, tell me if any player cannot have a bad season?
can kobe have half a bad season?

"but the ignorant st.nick refuses to hear any sort of argument that goes against his hatred. Instead, he makes promises about the future, attacks the people who doesn't blindly support Yi with personal insults, and then storms off. "

so.. storm off now, we heard more than enough of your blind man opinion
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#37 » by okanoho » Fri Jul 4, 2008 10:35 pm

St.Nick wrote:Its the same reason that women support that woman racecar driver, why gay athletes will support John Amaechi in whatever he does from this point on, and why Asian people love Yao/Yi.
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now it comes to yao i am even more mad about your racism, tell me why yao doesn't deserve the attention he deserves today
you are plain racist

btw, tell me about your sig picture?
i don't know who the hell is that guy but do you mind i go to every board that have the present of that guy and bash him in every post about him?
you are just a (Please Use More Appropriate Word).
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#38 » by okanoho » Fri Jul 4, 2008 10:38 pm

St.Nick wrote:I have nothing against Yi the person, the Bucks, the Nets, or Asian people. I just want to provide the truth, or at least my well reasoned interpretation of it.



everytime you post you have made some funny judgment
now you telling me this is not personal, then please tell me why you bother spending a few hours everyday going to every board to every post that is related to yi to bash yi?
did he kill your mother AND rape your gf?
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#39 » by bigbreakfast » Sat Jul 5, 2008 1:08 am

St.Nick wrote:Fwhats the translation in Mandarin for "emotionally invested homer that supports a player just because he shares the same cultural background?"


What's the translation in Slovak for "emotionally invested hater that hates a player just because he has fans who support him because of his cultural background?"
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Re: Why do you hate Yi? 

Post#40 » by Tang_Man » Sat Jul 5, 2008 2:17 am

Rallyks wrote:tang man you need to relax a bit. You can have pretty basketball knowledge without having to have a successful baller come outta your country.

st. nick is totally entitled to his opinion... although it does appear that he has some sort of vendetta against yi and yi fans ( who he thinks for some reason are ALL of chinese background :roll: )


There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, so you are absolutely correct. St Dick is entitle to have his own opinion on Yi, that's fine. However most of his posts are just personnel attacks on Yi. He also seem to think that his words on Yi is letter of the law. When you start attacking someone personnally and act like you speak on behalf of ALL basketball fans as he has done, then you have better had done SOMETHING on the basketball court. Has St Dick ever scored a point, grab a rebound or dish out an assist in the NBA? So why does he think his opinion is above that of everyone else? It's one thing to discuss about a players weaknesses and what he hasn't done etc, it's another to blindly hate as St Dick has done. So as long as St Dick is hating on Yi, I will not go easy on him until a Slovakian player makes it to the NBA and become a star.

Most people that follow Yi realizes that he definitely has weaknesses in his game and there a lot of things he will need to do to get better. No one is proclaiming him to be the greatest player in the world. The Nets have provided Yi with an opportunity to grow and develop within their young team. It's up to Yi to work hard and take that opportunity.

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