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Re: Europe/Exhibition Games 

Post#21 » by Da big3 » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:51 pm

lurkingobeiscity wrote:CDR and Harris stole the show. Each were excellent.

Defensive rotations still need work.

Anderson was unimpressive but was were he was supposed to be on both O and D.

SWAT had his moments but had a short stretch where he reverted back to making boneheaded decisions: trying to take a charge when he should have gone for the block, making a couple of dumb fouls being overagressive when he didn't need to be.... Still his effort level was very high. Once the game starts to slow down for him and he recognizes some situations better he will start to come into his own.

Gill is a nothing, don't read into the stats.

Boone looked good all around aside from his one attempt at a post move, but he wisely passed it back out instead of throwing up a brick.

The dribble-drive offense is perfect for this team. It highlights the slashing ability of Harris and CDR while simultaneously creating open jumpers for the big men (Lopez and Yi should love it). It could possibly hinder the development of our young big's post game but I get the feeling Yi is being groomed as a face up PF anyway.

Simmons is solid.

The team still needs work with this offense because they are missing some open passes into the post area.

CDR may just be my favorite Net by the end of this season (or the beginning). He got genuinely excited over a foul shot that his teammate made in a pre-season game. He gave probably the most effort on both sides of any player on the floor. Definitely has confidence in his ability. The comment from Ainge about CDR not being able to play NBA D seems to be way way off base. He has probably the strangest style I have seen in a while, bringing herky-jerky to a whole new level. His mid range game will make him at least a good player in this league.


boone looked nice with the rebounds, idont know if im the only one, but boone is a beast in rebounding, plus dosnt make a lota of mistakes

he had that nice putback, that was key in the game...
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Post#22 » by aussienet » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:41 am

I got to see the game last night on ESPN.
Devin took over the fourth great speed, great hesitation dribble then the and one finish.

CDR, EVERY nba gm hang your head in shame. Should never i repeat NEVER have dropped that far. great game great potential. Can just PLAY!

Anderson, Good looks just wouldn't drop. Will spread the defense. Knows where to be in the offense

Boone, SOLID. does his job

Gill, shooting guard trapped in a point guard's body. Can shoot, can score can't(won't?) create for other's

Swift, How can some people on this board (you know who you are) be so high on this guy??? massive body can play some D. But after eight years in the league i would of thought he would have a post move. relies too much on his athletecism. ZERO touch around the basket

Ager, anyone got a shotgun? does not belong in the league period

Hassell, See above.

Frank, Perfect example of his (bad) coaching. End of game play gets called for Hassell. He can not create anything looks to give off after a fumble finds Ager on the bail out. Ager rushes a baseline jumper that wait for it...... hits the side of the back board!!!!!!! Refer to previous comments on these two boneheads.

Overall we got the win and I know it's only the first pre-season game but.....I'm stilling looking forward to seeing the rest of the squad play let's just leave it there.

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Re: Europe/Exhibition Games 

Post#23 » by jerseyjac » Sun Oct 12, 2008 3:47 pm

C D R ...wow...dont sleep...a lot of bright spots...dont read too much into lineups ect...PT will vary, injuries and who we're looking at individually as far as in game situations...but after a couple games we should see/get closer to what our starting 5 will be...though, with Frank, ya never know...he's always using the curve...and come Game 1, he could surprise you w. someone in the starting 5...
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Post#24 » by prekazi » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:23 pm

Are you guys concerned about Devin Harris's horrible play-making abilities?

Yeah he's young and he's a good defender and a good slasher-scorer but he has no idea how to lead a team offensively. I'm deeply disappointed with him.
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Post#25 » by Adam1221 » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:51 pm

YI JIANLIAN BABY!!!!!!
Man he was a flipin beast out there.
Brooke was great too after a rough offensive start.

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Post#26 » by Birth of the Cool » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:55 pm

hah..not intense but this game had a more serious vibe to it. Both teams wanted to win.

What a nice first impression by Yi. His jumper looked on/off at the Olympics but it was smooth today. You can see his athleticism with the way he can dribble penetrate & defend. Nifty pass to the cutting VC for the dunk in the 1st Q. Nets fans have to be happy to see this.

Still worry about Devin. He has more freedom in this offense but he forced the action a few times too many (once time where he inexplicably shot a bullet to the surprised Lopez in the post Frank had VC run the offense the very next play). Devin did show a great handle & speed at times that is what got Nets fans excited about this kid. I think VC has a more natural feel for the game then Devin so he looks to be more a scoring 1 then anything (but he had a gem of a bounce pass to Hassell).

Lopez struggled mightily on offense. His lack of NBA level athleticism was apparent but you can't teach his body type and he started to impose his will down the stretch while the smaller Miami frontcourt got tired. I really feel safer w/ Lopez anchoring the defense over Boone. It's just his natural size clogs up the middle nicely while the tall/long/athletic frontcourt partners like SWat/Yi/Swift can track the ball better with Lopez slowing things down in the paint.

I just like the idea of Yi/SWat/Swift being options out there at the 4 and SWat/Swft occasionally at the 5. They are all tall, long-armed, athletic guys that can play great help D and just cause defensive chaos in the paint. Nice to have.

Ager had a quite but solid game while Hodge struggled at the point.

Even just for pre-season nice gutsy win by this team. CDR was the revelation the first preseason game and Yi was the same for this one. VC is just the steady anchor for this team and while he can't handle Wade at all he had constant effort on D and have 3 steals in a row at one point not gambling but just playing positional defense and having active hands.

Fun game to watch whereas first game was kind of a bore.
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Post#27 » by jerseyjac » Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:59 pm

prekazi wrote:Are you guys concerned about Devin Harris's horrible play-making abilities?

Yeah he's young and he's a good defender and a good slasher-scorer but he has no idea how to lead a team offensively. I'm deeply disappointed with him.

its always a concern when a team only has 11 assists in their preseason opener...but I think he makes up for it in other areas...this team does not need a pure PG/pass first type guy...we need someone who can run the offense effectively, get the ball up and down the floor and limit mistakes...his 5 TOs in the first preseason game is a concern...but I'm NOT looking for him to avg 8-10 asts...'deeply disappointed' is a pretty harsh assessment at this stage of his Nets career...
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Post#28 » by Adam1221 » Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:14 pm

prekazi wrote:Are you guys concerned about Devin Harris's horrible play-making abilities?

Yeah he's young and he's a good defender and a good slasher-scorer but he has no idea how to lead a team offensively. I'm deeply disappointed with him.



Devin is more of a scoring PG dude, he's not a JKidd or a Steve Nash like PG.
That still doesnt change the probability that he'll be an excellent scorer this year and that he definately can run an offense.

You were just anticipating all the wrong things from him, he can definately make the all star team this year.

Anyway man I know its pre-season but Im just shaking in my pants with this young team's upside.
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Post#29 » by vincecarter4pres » Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:06 pm

I haven't been this excited for the season to start since the summer we traded for J Kidd.

I still feel a good comparison for Devin is Tony Parker.

I don't know that Devin will ever develop into much of a playmaker, but neither has Parker, and he is successful and probably has to be considered a top 10 point.
Devin's defense is better, and he is even quicker than Parker, he just isn't as experienced yet.
You just need to keep a playmaking 2 or 3 next to him who meshes well, so they can share the responsibility.

That along with a dominant big man to run the offense through.
Hopefully Lopez or Yi can become that.

And no, i am not expecting either of them to develop into a player as good as Duncan or Dirk, but a poor man's version of either or both would be awesome.
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Post#30 » by TheGrowth » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:55 am

Devin shouldnt be asked to play as distributor. Let him score, thats what he is good as.

As for Hodge, I'd rather have getting that final roster spot. He is not spectacular, but he plays with caution. Hodge is no point guard and the Nets are already loaded at the wing positions.
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Post#31 » by rag-time4 » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:12 am

aussienet wrote:Swift, How can some people on this board (you know who you are) be so high on this guy??? massive body can play some D. But after eight years in the league i would of thought he would have a post move. relies too much on his athletecism. ZERO touch around the basket



How can you say he has a massive body? :lol: :D He's listed 6'9", 230 lbs... or roughly the same size as Scottie Pippen!

He does have post moves but he's constantly at a size disadvantage. He needs to get the ball a bit further from the basket against bigger defenders so he can use his driving / slashing ability a bit more.

Unlike the 'solid' Josh Boone, Swift does have the ability to get his own shot. Poor shooting night in the first game but so far he's been able to get to the foul line in both games.
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Post#32 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:27 am

rag-time4 wrote:How can you say he has a massive body? :lol: :D He's listed 6'9", 230 lbs... or roughly the same size as Scottie Pippen!

He does have post moves but he's constantly at a size disadvantage.



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Post#33 » by vincecarter4pres » Mon Oct 13, 2008 5:30 am

You know, watching the 2nd game, I have to say, Yi looks quite impressive on the offensive end.

Defensively, not so much.

But the truly disturbing thing is his absolute lack of rebounding sense, and complete lack of use of his frame to box out and get positioning.

He honestly doesn't look very interested in rebounding.
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Post#34 » by manun » Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:22 pm

^ yeah yi is way too passive. Someone need to make him fired, i think hes fine being chinese super celebrity. For him it doesnt matter if the team does well or not, cause chinese fans will still love him. S
Someone need to send Danny Fortson on him to teach him one or two about being mean. Dude doesnt dunk when he can, so many times ive seen him shy away from contact. Just dunk it big man. :oops:
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Post#35 » by Squire » Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:49 pm

ager is officially the worst player in the NBA :lol: :lol:
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Post#36 » by TheGrowth » Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:42 pm

Yi probably will soften the Nenad loss. As for rebounding, the Nets will have to gang rebound again. I doubt that will be an issue as the team has some decent rebounders
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Post#37 » by Birth of the Cool » Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:31 pm

thing is in the few Olympic games I saw Yi was finding his man & boxing him out regularly. Yi has the height, arm length & athleticism to be a good rebounder. Frame / strength will be the thing's working against him but desire can offset that too.

The Nets can bring out a huge frontcourt if defensive rebounding becomes an issue.

Thorn has a thing for big players & 1-5 they can put up a very big lineup on the court without losing much mobility/athleticism. I think that will be one of the strengths of the team this year, which should enable them to control defensive rebounding and finally cause some trouble on the offensive glass (where last year it seemed only Boone would consistently put his nose in there for O-rebounds).

I also like the option now that Frank has to have Lopez close out games or insert him when teams hack-a-boone w/o (potentially) a big drop off in productivity.
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Post#38 » by aussienet » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:58 pm

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aussienet wrote:Swift, How can some people on this board (you know who you are) be so high on this guy??? massive body can play some D. But after eight years in the league i would of thought he would have a post move. relies too much on his athletecism. ZERO touch around the basket



How can you say he has a massive body? :lol: :D He's listed 6'9", 230 lbs... or roughly the same size as Scottie Pippen!

He does have post moves but he's constantly at a size disadvantage. He needs to get the ball a bit further from the basket against bigger defenders so he can use his driving / slashing ability a bit more.

Unlike the 'solid' Josh Boone, Swift does have the ability to get his own shot. Poor shooting night in the first game but so far he's been able to get to the foul line in both games.


Dude he is listed as 6-10 and if he is 230 lbs right now then I'm a monkey's uncle. Scottie pippen 6-7 at best. That is a whopping 3 inches differential. When I watched him play that game he looked bigger because he was posting up someone who was obviously smaller than him. He tried a spin move then put a shot up that hit the back board but no rim (no it didn't go swish either!) that is not good from a player heck any player over 6-6 for that matter. Now I'm not a Swift hater he splashed all his freebies (maybe he and boone should sit and talk) And what's the go with 4 count em 4 rebounds in 38 mins of playing time? He is in a contract year he should be getting 4 rebounds in his sleep. I just thought he had a chance to impress early and I don't think he did that. Defend him all you want it just makes you look silly. Heck my favourite player when i was growing up was DC. Even then I knew he was a bonehead every time he opened his mouth. And i'll be the first to say he under achieved through out his career. Near enough was always good enough for him and as a coach that burns inside me. Anyway Stro needs to work his backside off this year otherwise he will be out or playin in europe next year.

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Europe/Exhibition Games (Game Thread Creators Wanted) 

Post#39 » by Rich Rane » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:47 pm

In the past, regulars such as me, SpeedyG, and dacher have created Game Threads for posters to speak their mind on a particular game. If anyone would like the position to create Game Threads, please request here. Should there be more than one person requesting to do Game Threads, I'm sure we could work out a rotation by game or by loss. You could also test our your Game Threads for every Nets game left in the Preseason.
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Post#40 » by jerseyjac » Thu Oct 16, 2008 11:57 pm

Rich Rane wrote:In the past, regulars such as me, SpeedyG, and dacher have created Game Threads for posters to speak their mind on a particular game. If anyone would like the position to create Game Threads, please request here. Should there be more than one person requesting to do Game Threads, I'm sure we could work out a rotation by game or by loss. You could also test our your Game Threads for every Nets game left in the Preseason.

and Rich and I will choose who will handle them, if we have someone to handle all the games on a nightly basis...but keep in mind we need backups too...so this is your chance to get your name in the list...

We know from experience who can do it, but again veteran guys, please post here to confirm...
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