Larry Hughes rumor - to NJ

halfHAVOC · Post #21 » by **halfHAVOC** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:17 am

Serpo wrote:The thing about Hughes is he's bitching about minutes and touches but he'd be getting both by default this is why this could work. I mean he can't be any worse then Simmons already is . Simmons is decent from the corners with his 3point shot but thats about it .

simmons is utter garbage

anything at this point is an upgrade.

MJ-23 · Post #22 » by **MJ-23** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:16 am

Serpo wrote:The thing about Hughes is he's bitching about minutes and touches but he'd be getting both by default this is why this could work. I mean he can't be any worse then Simmons already is . Simmons is decent from the corners with his 3point shot but thats about it .

Believe me Hughes is worse.

Serpo · Post #23 » by **Serpo** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:26 am

Well with Hughes there's at least the hope he could be better because he still is physically able to play . Bobby just is well done besides his shot there's not much left. He's just so god damn slow , i personally believe he is slower then big Brook right now . Everytime he puts the ball on the floor i start to cringe .

Of course it could backfire but we're not very good right now anyway , whats the worst that could happen ? No risk here since Larry also expires next season and we don't lose anything here beside some $$$.

The only thing is it looks like Simmons is liked by the team and looks like he is Yi's connection to the team . Not sure how a trade would affect team chemistry.

Da big3 · Post #24 » by **Da big3** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:11 am

Serpo wrote:Well with Hughes there's at least the hope he could be better because he still is physically able to play . Bobby just is well done besides his shot there's not much left. He's just so god damn slow , i personally believe he is slower then big Brook right now . Everytime he puts the ball on the floor i start to cringe .

Of course it could backfire but we're not very good right now anyway , whats the worst that could happen ? No risk here since Larry also expires next season and we don't lose anything here beside some $$$.

The only thing is it looks like Simmons is liked by the team and looks like he is Yi's connection to the team . Not sure how a trade would affect team chemistry.

i don think it will affect, because i assume YI knows lilttle english and so he keeps to himself, Bobby simmons, is just good for 2-3 corner 3s and his defense is so bad and overrated...

langer · Post #25 » by **langer** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:43 am

Nets has already gotten a punk (Devin Harris). Why do ur guys need another one who could destroy the team chemistry. By talent, Larry is much better than Simmons. By attitude, he is much worse.

Maybe, Nets can start Hayes first, see how Larry Hughes is playing off the bench.

boogydown · Post #26 » by **boogydown** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 10:57 am

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketba ... 09.article

It sounds like the Bulls have accepted, and it's down to the Nets signing off on it.

Preludepunk27 · Post #27 » by **Preludepunk27** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:43 am

Yeah I have a buddy that works in the NBA offices. Yesterday he sent me a text saying the deal is closer to being complete. Take that as a grain of salt, but he's usually dead on I would say 80% of the time.

jeff1624 · Post #28 » by **jeff1624** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:24 pm

We trade 2 bums for 1 clearing up a roster spot for 3rd PG...

Lateral move IMO since we're taking back more salary..

SteveNets15 · Post #29 » by **SteveNets15** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:18 pm

Do it RT! DO IT KIKI DO IT!!DO IT!! Let Hughes tryin earn his contract like he wants.We all no Bobby isn't gonna so let's give Larry a shot. Next up Swift

S.I.C. GM · Post #30 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:41 pm

langer wrote:Nets has already gotten a punk (Devin Harris). Why do ur guys need another one who could destroy the team chemistry. By talent, Larry is much better than Simmons. By attitude, he is much worse.

Maybe, Nets can start Hayes first, see how Larry Hughes is playing off the bench.

Knowing Frank, he would probably do this or Not. He kept Simmons as a starter when clearly hayes was playing better.

IMO I say start Hughes and hope and pray he becomes Kittle like. Let him sink or swim.

S.I.C. GM · Post #31 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:44 pm

jeff1624 wrote:We trade 2 bums for 1 clearing up a roster space for 3rd PG...

Lateral move IMO since we're taking back more salary..

I agree. The only benefit is really that roster spot. If Hughes can come here and help the perimeter D, that is a bonus to me. I am tired of VC consistantly leaving his man and the guy he is suppose to be guarding goes for 20pts.

VC at the 3
Hugh at the 2

ctorres · Post #32 » by **ctorres** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:54 pm

This would be a great trade for the Nets. Hughes has played well in the minutes he has gotten this season. He could solidify the starting lineup and help push the Nets into the playoffs.

Post #33 » by **jerseyjac** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:30 pm

A lot of solid points, I said orginally, say no to Hughes...I agree w/ Netsforce he's a chucker and doesnt really know how to play in a system or hasnt shown signs of WANTING to...I'm more worried about him not trying to fit in (attitude)...tyring to do too much or not actually fitting in w. Nets at all, as a reality...

Bobby has been playing better, but he's pretty much a one dimensional player...make some corner 3s, grab some rebounds and hope he can defend...the TOs he makes do drive me crazy...but we all know Frank and the Nets front office like Bobby for his hard work and professionalism...and that basically equals him fitting in on the court w. Devin and Vince...ect...and I agree Frank obviously likes Hayes off the bench in that role...

Now if Hughes comes here, we do free up a roster spot for a 3rd pg...plus...
Vince slides to the 3 and Hughes covers the shooting guards...at best he does just a good of a job as Vince...I will never say Hughes is a good defensive player, but he does play the passing lanes well, gambles and gets his steals...some strips here and there, a so called theif, but nothing tremendous as far as a one on one defender...so I'm giving this a plus #2...

Additional potential scoring...Larry can score, but its how he scores...there is definitely fear he's going to chuck up a lot of shots and screw our team basketball up...but the fact is we do need more scoring...your rolling the dice and gambling that Hughes is gonna convert to being a Net...I wouldnt take that bet...However if the Nets wanna gamble, you make the move banking on Hughes is looking to play for a contract at this point which ultimately convinces you to feel more comfortable in making the move...which brings us to plus #3...

Yeh we take on an additional 3mil, but the money isnt a major concern as long its free for 2010...

If the Nets end up pulling the trigger...you say they were interested in gambling a bit and took a small chance...the reward could ultimately be bigger than the risk, ( you could always bench Hughes and put your tail between your legs and start Anderson or Hayes if push came to shove...)...

So for me, if Hughes does come to Jersey, and as much as I still dont think anything spectacular of this move, I'll back Larry and root for him to succeed...His career is at a crossroad, injuries included, but what the hell...The Nets have control and the outs in this situtaion regardless...

Rockice_8 · Post #34 » by **Rockice_8** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:02 pm

^ ^ Well said the reward is much greater then the risk. His contract will also be more valuable next year. When teams are looking to dump cap just before 2010. Lets do it and see what happens, if he's healthy he's better then simmons and this move may get us back into the playoff picture where it appears we a fading a bit.

VCarter15 · Post #35 » by **VCarter15** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:00 pm

I wouldnt mind this trade at all. One thing thought, I think we would be losing some shooting in the starting lineup, which hurts the spacing for Devin and Vince to drive to the basket. I would bring Hughes off the bench and maybe start Hayes at the 3.

S.I.C. GM · Post #36 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:10 pm

VCarter15 wrote:I wouldnt mind this trade at all. One thing thought, I think we would be losing some shooting in the starting lineup, which hurts the spacing for Devin and Vince to drive to the basket. I would bring Hughes off the bench and maybe start Hayes at the 3.

Doesnt matter! Our offense sucks the way it is.

Hayes needs to stay on the bench.

lurkingobeiscity · Post #37 » by **lurkingobeiscity** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:36 pm

I think Hughes is a better player than Simmons but the roster spot thing is a moot point IMO since it would be cheaper to just cut Ager.

S.I.C. GM · Post #38 » by **S.I.C. GM** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:01 pm

lurkingobeiscity wrote:I think Hughes is a better player than Simmons but the roster spot thing is a moot point IMO since it would be cheaper to just cut Ager.

I agree with you, but for some reason, Thorn and Nets dont want to. Because they would have done so along time ago especially when Harris was hurt.

Preludepunk27 · Post #39 » by **Preludepunk27** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:12 pm

^^^ You're right it'd just be cheaper to cut Ager most definitely.

What management is trying to decide is whether it's worth the money (they're not hitting the lux tax either way) to have this line up:

Harris
Hughes
Vince
Yi
Lopez

or

Harris
Vince
Simmons
Yi
Lopez

Which would you rather have down the stretch. Yes, Hughes isn't as shut down a defender as people say, but would you rather have Vince or Hughes guarding a quick 2-guard. If it didn't seriously hurt our long term plans, which this deal doesn't, I think it's a no brainer that yes, even with his faults, the line up with Hughes looks better to everyone. It adds another guy who likes to run, and the guy is at least WILLING to play defense which you know our coach/management likes. Their are two gambles here in my opinion:

1. If nothing (Please Use More Appropriate Word) happens, this move makes us the 7-8 seed in the playoffs. Is adding Larry Hughes worth it in respect to the lottery. If we go with our current team, we may make the playoffs, which will give the young guys confidence, but we have a better shot at missing the playoffs which gives us a shot in the lottery even though we'd most likely pick between 8-12 again. You wanna roll the dice with what we got or make a push for the playoffs.

2. No Larry lately has gotten a bum rap with his attititude. The rap started in Washington when he was playing hardball with their management then took the paycheck in Cleveland. He never lived up to the contract he was given in Cleveland and fans turned on him. His brother (his best friend) died while he was there and the fans backed off momentarily, but then when that was out of sight out of mind, they turned on him again. He's never really felt welcome in Chicago in my opinion. They're guard heavy and you can only find so much time. Then Vinny Del Negro comes in, wants to go with the other guys, and he gets bitter. This happens to lots of guys, but when you're making the kind of money he's making, people are less compassionate. Yes, he does has some attitude, but I think with the roster we have and our management and him basically securing the starting 2 guard spot if he came here, he could possibly regain some form or what he was in Washington.

I'm willing to take the gamble if management thinks it's worth it. I'm also completely fine if we don't pull the trigger though.

boogydown · Post #40 » by **boogydown** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:44 pm

Chicago fans like it. Simmons would get 0 minutes in Chicago though, but it saves them some money.