2012 Non-Nets NBA Game Thread

[NyCeEvO]

Nah, D'Antoni isn't a good coach. The Knicks being this bad might not be his fault and he shouldn't be blamed for it entirely, but he's not a good coach.

I think he's a good coach when he has athletic versatile players that can shoot (i.e. the 2000s Suns). He has never anything like that and bringing a ballstopping shooter in Melo and a non-shooting center in Chandler does not help.

In order for D'Antoni to succeed, everyone needs to be a threat, not just one person.

[Rich Rane]

I think he's a good coach when he has athletic versatile players that can shoot (i.e. the 2000s Suns). He has never anything like that and bringing a ballstopping shooter in Melo and a non-shooting center in Chandler does not help.

In order for D'Antoni to succeed, everyone needs to be a threat, not just one person.

Sure, he deserves some blame for why the Knicks suck right now, but in the interest of fairness, Melo, Amar'e, and Tyson haven't been close to playing to their contracts either.

[isekii]

I'm sure D'Antoni can improve our offense

[NyCeEvO]

I'm sure D'Antoni can improve our offense

Again, D'Antoni needs the right players. We clearly do not have the right players.

[SteveNets15]

**** D'Antoni he wasn't **** before Steve Nash and he ain't **** now without him.Someone had to say it

[SteveNets15]

Warriors LOL failing hard right now.

[Ronito]

MDA is just the goat for that team. Getting Chandler without a point guard was a dumb move, and even worse if they thought he'd fix their defense. He's a good defender that can cover up SOME of their flaws, but it wasn't like he'd get everyone to play defense as well, especially since the leaders of the team never had.

How about their fans blame their front office for fleecing their team for a faux superstar? Oh wait, Donnie's gone. Maybe they can also blame 'Melo for wanting to be a Knick at the trade deadline AND get his money.

It's like Bondy tweeted a few days ago: CP3's toast was a prank, Melo and Amare aren't the ones laughing.

[therealbig3]

MDA is just the goat for that team. Getting Chandler without a point guard was a dumb move, and even worse if they thought he'd fix their defense. He's a good defender that can cover up SOME of their flaws, but it wasn't like he'd get everyone to play defense as well, especially since the leaders of the team never had.

How about their fans blame their front office for fleecing their team for a faux superstar? Oh wait, Donnie's gone. Maybe they can also blame 'Melo for wanting to be a Knick at the trade deadline AND get his money.

It's like Bondy tweeted a few days ago: CP3's toast was a prank, Melo and Amare aren't the ones laughing.

D'Antoni is a terrible coach, not only because he knows nothing about defense, but he doesn't really know much about offense either. They're playing the most disorganized and broken offensive basketball I've seen in a while, and it's because they don't have a PG. Now, I understand that it may sound like it's unfair to expect him to have a good offense without a capable floor general, but then again, he does have two of the better scorers in the league, and the only times he had a good offense was when Billups/Felton were running things. He had an all-time great offense with Nash running things...MDA is touted as an offensive genius, but I think he's just been lucky until now that he's had a capable PG running things that knew what they were doing. His only contribution to offense is telling everyone to run.

And the Knicks have actually been good defensively, 11th in the league so far. Their offense is terrible though, and like I said, it's because MDA doesn't know what he's doing.

[vincecarter4pres]

Is it because MDA doesn't know offense?

Or is it because every player on that team outside Amar'e and Chandler are low BBIQ goons?
And even with those two, Amar'e looks out of it and Chandler doesn't have the abilities and skill set where his basketball smarts really even help much on a squad like this.

It's pretty obvious D'Antoni was a really overrated coach, but I think he's at least average.

[Ronito]

You can pair up two GREAT players that don't compliment each other and thrive (Wade and LBJ) because they love to pass and make players around them better on both ends of the floor. But you can't pair up a faux superstar who is a living black hole next to fake hustle and hope to thrive. Then by putting in a center who can't stretch the floor, it's even worse for Amare. Like vc4p, I never bought into the hype the Knicks were getting when they got Melo or Chandler.

I never said MDA was a good coach, or even a bad coach. My point was the front office made moves that weren't complimenting their team, and that's it always easy to blame the head coach when things aren't working out. They can fire him, but that's not going to change anything. They need to either blow it up or bring in a real PG.

[Ronito]

Is it because MDA doesn't know offense?

Or is it because every player on that team outside Amar'e and Chandler are low BBIQ goons?
And even with those two, Amar'e looks out of it and Chandler doesn't have the abilities and skill set where his basketball smarts really even help much on a squad like this.

It's pretty obvious D'Antoni was a really overrated coach, but I think he's at least average.

Going to be hilarious once Amare can't move anymore and they can't amnesty him. Then he'll sign with the T'Wolves on the vet minimum, and once he plays the Knicks the media will portray it as a revenge game...FOR AMARE (a la Eddy Curry last night )

FWIW, I don't think getting an average coach is even a bad thing. It's either an average, recycled coach or an interim that doesn't know what's going.

[NyCeEvO]

@VC4P
I agree.

He's a great offensive coach when given the right parts.

But when he doesn't have the right parts, he can't do what he's good at.

I think that there are three (or four) types of coaches:
1) Rebuilding coaches - Coaches that excel at teaching the fundamentals, but are terrible game managers. They can get rebuilding teams to play harder than the average coach, but they don't know how to deal with veterans.

2) Playoff coaches - Coaches that can teach a little bit and manage a little but they're not great at either skill. They can get their teams to snap out of it when they're playing bad, but aren't good enough to keep them playing well all of the time.

3) Championship coaches - Coaches that are terrible at rebuilding, but are excellent at game management and situational plays. These are coaches that will often draw up game winning plays or make excellent calls out of timeouts in pressure packed situations.

( 4) Absolute crap coaches - You know these guys, every they touch turns to crap. The anti-midas touch.)

I think D'Antoni is a playoff coach. You can't give him a team full of underdeveloped players. He needs smart veteran players that know how to play the game. Give him Steve Nash or a J-Kidd of 5-7 years ago and he'll do wonders in the regular season and will make noise in the playoffs.

Give him a low BBIQ undersized combo guard and a shot happy (but good defensive) rookie guard, and you won't get anything remarkable out of him. He needs a floor general. Someone that can put MDA's plan on the floor and run it effectively.

They tried running Melo as a point-forward, which should show you how bad things were for them. At least when they had Billups there, they were able to beat Miami a couple days after the trade last season.

Now, they've given MDA mostly offensive players and 1 or 2 defensive players and they're saying go and win a championship.

That's horrible. First of all, you need players that will actually buy into a defensive system and play as a unit. That was what Mike Woodson was supposed to be. Chandler was supposed to anchor that.

Has that happened? No.

They have no identity defensively.

And then since he has a few guys that are strictly defensive players, it takes away the offensive options he has.

What's worse is that his best offensive player is a ballstopper. The fact that the Knicks won the game that Carmelo scored 1 point and then lost the very next game that he tried to score a lot again is a tell-tale sign.

They're a team of many individual parts that aren't playing together. I think he'll get canned before the team either finds an identity which will most likely require STAT or Melo to not play the way that they're best at (Melo: Iso, Amare: PnR or PnP).

That team has issues and it's not all MDA's fault.

[vincecarter4pres]

Scola's low post game is bananas. I forget how good it is when I haven't seen him in a long time.

[Ronito]

I got a sig bet with one of the posters on the Knicks board. I was already rooting for the Rockets since I'd like that pick, and then they are playing the Knicks which just made it even better.

Go Rockets!

[vincecarter4pres]

I got a sig bet with one of the posters on the Knicks board. I was already rooting for the Rockets since I'd like that pick, and then they are playing the Knicks which just made it even better.

Go Rockets!

Ruh roh!

[netsfaninnyc]

the rockets are surprising better than average from what appears to be a below-average to average (due to no star power) roster

[vincecarter4pres]

Oh the humanity!

The Knix are imploding as we watch tonight!

I wouldn't be surprised if D'Antoni is fired by Monday.

If not, he'll definitely get the axe if we beat them next week.

[vincecarter4pres]

I got a sig bet with one of the posters on the Knicks board. I was already rooting for the Rockets since I'd like that pick, and then they are playing the Knicks which just made it even better.

Go Rockets!

So how are your sig skills? Or should we employ the talents of Mr. Mikhailforce? Let me know, I have him on speed dial.

[Ronito]

Cooke one up

[netsfaninnyc]

man the knicks should just sign ai and call it a day