Should Billy King be fired?

[Paradise]

The treadmill route is exactly what we were perceived to be last season and that's what we have to do for the next couple seasons in all realistic scenarios. You can build every year by adding a new piece to develop. Even if they aren't an A+ prospect. We have no full MLE and guys like AK, Anderson are not taking a paycut next year to sign to ring chase after this year again. IMO, I would start by developing talent until 2016 comes around and start molding an identity to put in place for that 2016 year.

-Sign Bogdanovic with the mini MLE
-Continue to start Teletovic full time at PF
-Acquire Rights to Chris Johnson. Sign him to the Vet Min.
-Trade Terry's contract for a legit SF.
-Re-Sign Blatche
-Sign Willie Reed
-Re-Sign Livingston if he is willing

Deron/Livingston
Johnson/C. Johnson
*SF*/Bogdanovic/Shengelia
Teletovic/Blatche/Reed
Lopez/Plumlee

You basically add alot more shooting, youth, talent to develop and put together a cheap overall team which would probably finish 6th in the East next year. Best Case Scenario.

Unfortunately, that requires savvy scouting, acquiring anything solid for the likes of Reggie Evans, Jason Terry or Kirilenko if he opts in (seems like he has no choice now) but that's a pipe dream when it comes to Billy King. Seems like it's a crime to put together a collection of really good role players like Dallas or Houston in Billy's mind.

[NYC INFINITE]

i really have no **** idea how this front office has not called up willie reed up yet, he has exactly what this team needs, yet the front office remains to act like chickens with their heads cut off

[M I K E]

Billy King is just a patsy IMO. He was given a directive and carried it out the best he could.

The big problem was every major move was made without a safety net. That includes the original Wallace trade, the JJ trade, the Kidd hiring and the KG / Pierce trade. The Nets assumed every move they made would be a "winner" and didn't see that this could all fall apart so easily..."Bad Luck" also caught up with us with Lopez, AK and Deron missing so many games.

I have no idea what we should do now.

So all the trades were poorly thought out, heavy overpays and unnecessarily risky, all these trades executed by one said Billy King and yet he is just a patsy?

Oh boy Mike...

LOL...Yeah maybe you're right but I also feel Prokhorov and his Russian cronies should hire a RealGM and keep their nose out of the basketball end of things.

[KMartsCrew]

i really have no **** idea how this front office has not called up willie reed up yet, he has exactly what this team needs, yet the front office remains to act like chickens with their heads cut off

We don't have a roster spot, and a D-Leaguer isn't going to salvage our season anyway.

[Prokorov]

Personally, I'd go the treadmill route. You do nothing except small things, like if you can trade Reggie Evans for a second round pick, you do it; if you can get a first rounder for one of the expirings, you do that; you do all of that in an attempt to secure a playoff berth every season between now and 2016, where you have max cap space to improve the team. Instead of using the money to pay expensive taxes, you use it to invest in the scouting department so you can strike gold in the mid-to-late first rounder that the NEts have, and any additional second rounders the team is able to buy/secure through trade. What this does is it turns a profit for Prok, it keeps the fan support good enough to say "okay, at least they're in the playoffs", but it also shows the players around the league that the Nets aren't just losers, that you can win if you come here. It's an illusion based on smoke and mirrors, but it's better than risking anything else by trying to trade for another good player or by blowing it up without the necessary picks to help.

I like this route. and its basically the way i want to go... with the exception that if we can move lopez/dwill/jj for basically expirings i'd do that too. if someone wants to give me expirings and a protected pick for dwill, i do that. same for lopez. i just dont see any of those 3 really being part of a winning culture here in the future. nor do i see them as guys elite players want to team with.

the other issue is... is this a team good enough to treadmill without changes? i dont think its a lock we make the playoffs this year

[Prokorov]

i really have no **** idea how this front office has not called up willie reed up yet, he has exactly what this team needs, yet the front office remains to act like chickens with their heads cut off

We don't have a roster spot, and a D-Leaguer isn't going to salvage our season anyway.

then ship someout out or cut them. forget salvaging the season. get guys in here who care and want to play hard

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't get why you think expiring matter. Nobody is going to sign to a cellar dweller with no way of improving in the next 5 years just cause we have cap space.

Its just not gonna happen.

Kevin Love and Durant are not coming here in 2016, just cause we have cap space. There is NOTHING appealing about this franchise except location.

[Paradise]

I don't get why you think expiring matter. Nobody is going to sign to a cellar dweller with no way of improving in the next 5 years just cause we have cap space.

Its just not gonna happen.

Kevin Love and Durant are not coming here in 2016, just cause we have cap space. There is NOTHING appealing about this franchise except location.

Since when franchise appeal dictates where free agents go?

Cap Space + Location is automatically gives yourself a chance to land any of them. Cap Space creates the possibility for Love AND Durant to play with each other which then creates appeal to win in a big market.

[Prokorov]

I don't get why you think expiring matter. Nobody is going to sign to a cellar dweller with no way of improving in the next 5 years just cause we have cap space.

Its just not gonna happen.

Kevin Love and Durant are not coming here in 2016, just cause we have cap space. There is NOTHING appealing about this franchise except location.

its not about clearing cap space to sign players. its about clearing cap space to have cap space as an asset. you can get picks for expirings, and you can get better picks by using your cap space to facilitate trades while gaining trade exemptions as well.

If durant or love arent coming here in 2016 then we are F'd either way. Id rather give us 2 cracks at those guys(in 2015 via trade and in 2016 as FA's) as opposed to just 1 crack at them in 2016 as free agents.

getting as many picks as we can for whatever we have and clearing cap space puts us in a spot where if we DO miss out on the big fish in 2016 we are in a great spot to reboot. with a bunch of picks and flexibility.

no durant/love with the corpse of brook lopez and dwill making 23 million at 30+ years old isnt helping us do anything

[Hello Brooklyn]

Free agents go to good franchises. IT doesn't matter how much cap space you have or what kind of location you have.

Who did the Knicks end up getting with all their cap space and appeal?
Amare Stoudamire.

Lebron chose Miami because they were a good franchise. And they knew what they were doing.

You guys live in a dream world in you think Kevin Durant would come play for Jason Kidd and Billy King.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The free agent thing is stupid anyway. Its not gonna work. Just do it the right way. Weather the storm till 2018. Try to be a treadmill team.

Then when D-Will, JJ, and Lopez's contracts are up just build the right way. Draft well and build up a team.

Draft a superstar. Build around him. That's the smart way to do things.

[DarkXaero]

Free agents go to good franchises. IT doesn't matter how much cap space you have or what kind of location you have.

Who did the Knicks end up getting with all their cap space and appeal?
Amare Stoudamire.

Lebron chose Miami because they were a good franchise. And they knew what they were doing.

You guys live in a dream world in you think Kevin Durant would come play for Jason Kidd and Billy King.

Yea, it's not as easy as having cap space and making pitches to them to come here in free agency. You have to have something special. Whether that's a star player (Wade), reputation (Lakers/Celtics) or management (Cuban, Riley). When your franchise hasn't achieved anything (like us) and since we'll be a treadmill team at best, leading up to a possible big free agency, it doesn't help us a bit.

Of course, the ideal way here would be to build through the draft, but that's out of the equation. We're basically **** for a long time because this nightmarish season (and the next few coming ones) will do hurt us a lot in terms of attracting big talent here.

[MrDollarBills]

This season is going to be worse for this team's reputation than the 12-70 season.

[MrDollarBills]

Stan Van Gundy, one of several unemployed coaches now doing punditry, tells NBC Sports that because the Nets have been hit with a ton of injuries, it's hard to evaluate Jason Kidd's coaching. Instead, he goes after the organization, seemingly laying the blame more on ownership and management. He says, in fact, the Nets may be in the worst situation going forward of any team in the league.

He tells the Amani and Etyian Show...

I think with all the injuries it’s been hard to evaluate Jason Kidd. It’s been easy to jump on him not just because of the record, but the things coming out of their locker room, the situation with Lawrence Frank, the incident of spilling the drink on the floor. I mean this has looked like a bush league organization much of the year, they don’t play with much effort at all, a very uninspired team. But at the same time they had so many people hurt you just don’t know. And now they are not they are not going to be healthy all year…

You can do whatever you want with the coaching situation but it is not going to change the situation with their roster. They just don’t have a lot of options — they don’t have draft picks, they are way over the salary cap. They are probably in the worst situation of any team in the NBA right now.

As Kurt Helin of NBC Sports writes, if a respected NBA coach like Van Gundy is calling your organization "bush league," it can't help you whether you're eventually looking for a new coach or free agents.

**** this franchise from the people that clean the toilet stalls all the way up to Prokhorov

BASKETBALL DUMB

And last night's "game" was the Nets' way of saying: "Happy New Year, ya **** ing pricks!!!"

[SF_Warriors]

The free agent thing is stupid anyway. Its not gonna work. Just do it the right way. Weather the storm till 2018. Try to be a treadmill team.

Then when D-Will, JJ, and Lopez's contracts are up just build the right way. Draft well and build up a team.

Draft a superstar. Build around him. That's the smart way to do things.

This won't work until summer 2019.
The next 2-3 seasons will be hard to stomach.
I also see them having a hard time acquiring picks as they really have no tradeable assets. Lopez is basically untradeable right now due to injury. No one wants to pay dwill 20 mill per yr. No one want sot pay JJ 24 mill a year, even as an expiring.
They may be able to move KG for a pick, but it will be to a contending team.

Especially next season, where the payroll is more than 87 million WITHOUT pierce on the books..
KG and terry are taking up 17 mill of salaries next year
both blatche and AK can opt out, and I bet one of them will as they are making peanuts compared to what they can actually make in the NBA. Blatche certainly can command more than 1.5 mill a year..He can definitely at least get double that on another team. AK may be more loyal to Prok. I think he ends up being the starter for next season at SF.

Lopez is a huge question mark at this point in regards to overall health of his foot, and how effective he will be in future years. Does he need a minutes restriction? Will his health deteriorate and his foot gets progressively worse? Will he recover 100% and be able to play 70-80 games next season plus playoffs?

[Prokorov]

The free agent thing is stupid anyway. Its not gonna work. Just do it the right way. Weather the storm till 2018. Try to be a treadmill team.

Then when D-Will, JJ, and Lopez's contracts are up just build the right way. Draft well and build up a team.

Draft a superstar. Build around him. That's the smart way to do things.

awesome. in 2024 we might have a team that would make the playoffs again.

"draft a superstar, build around him".

that isnt easy to do even if you have a top 7 pick every year. and even when it goes well if that guy doesnt become a top 10 player you are just a treadmill team anyway.

being a treadmill team now will happen no matter what we do since we dont have any picks. we cant get better or worse regardless of if we make the playoffs or not. we are locked into these contracts and have no picks.

Why would we:

-do nothing, and rebuilding in 2018

when we could:

-move whatever we have now for picks/salary relief, and rebuild in 2018 with MORE assets?

there is absolutely no reason to keep any of the guys we have now unless you think they can be a part of future success. and i dont see anyone of note on this team doing that. we are NEVER going to seriously contend or win a playoff round with Dwill/JJ/Lopez.

move them as soon as you can for whatever you can get, suck for a few years and see if you can hit a home run in trade/free agency for love/durant. if you cant, just roll over the cap space and wait until the situation presents itself while sucking/making lotto picks in 2018.

I just dont see any future plan that works where we keep williams/lopez/JJ or even 2 of the 3

[Prokorov]

Free agents go to good franchises. IT doesn't matter how much cap space you have or what kind of location you have.

Who did the Knicks end up getting with all their cap space and appeal?
Amare Stoudamire.

Lebron chose Miami because they were a good franchise. And they knew what they were doing.

You guys live in a dream world in you think Kevin Durant would come play for Jason Kidd and Billy King.

Yea, it's not as easy as having cap space and making pitches to them to come here in free agency. You have to have something special. Whether that's a star player (Wade), reputation (Lakers/Celtics) or management (Cuban, Riley). When your franchise hasn't achieved anything (like us) and since we'll be a treadmill team at best, leading up to a possible big free agency, it doesn't help us a bit.

Of course, the ideal way here would be to build through the draft, but that's out of the equation. We're basically **** for a long time because this nightmarish season (and the next few coming ones) will do hurt us a lot in terms of attracting big talent here.

there are only 2 or 3 things that really matter:

1) cap space. players are going to want the max. you need to be able to give it to them, and moreso - have room to bring in other guys along with them.

2) Location. Big markets matter and they matter alot. you dont see guys forcing their way to minnesota or milwaukee. Carmello and Paul wanted to be traded to NY. when NY fell through for paul he demanded LA. he didnt seem to mind the clippers were a joke organization. Dwight demanded to be here or LA. its a huge advantage, and can increase a player earning potential. and money is really what they care about

3) a chance to win or play with your buddies. today i think winning isnt super important for the young guys. i think they really just want to be rich and famous and play with their friends. older free agents, yea, winning might mean more. but in todays NBA i dont see tons of super competitive guys like Kobe anymore. a chance to win i think has a ton less bearing then location and $$$

[Hello Brooklyn]

The free agent thing is stupid anyway. Its not gonna work. Just do it the right way. Weather the storm till 2018. Try to be a treadmill team.

Then when D-Will, JJ, and Lopez's contracts are up just build the right way. Draft well and build up a team.

Draft a superstar. Build around him. That's the smart way to do things.

awesome. in 2024 we might have a team that would make the playoffs again.

"draft a superstar, build around him".

that isnt easy to do even if you have a top 7 pick every year. and even when it goes well if that guy doesnt become a top 10 player you are just a treadmill team anyway.

being a treadmill team now will happen no matter what we do since we dont have any picks. we cant get better or worse regardless of if we make the playoffs or not. we are locked into these contracts and have no picks.

Why would we:

-do nothing, and rebuilding in 2018

when we could:

-move whatever we have now for picks/salary relief, and rebuild in 2018 with MORE assets?

there is absolutely no reason to keep any of the guys we have now unless you think they can be a part of future success. and i dont see anyone of note on this team doing that. we are NEVER going to seriously contend or win a playoff round with Dwill/JJ/Lopez.

move them as soon as you can for whatever you can get, suck for a few years and see if you can hit a home run in trade/free agency for love/durant. if you cant, just roll over the cap space and wait until the situation presents itself while sucking/making lotto picks in 2018.

I just dont see any future plan that works where we keep williams/lopez/JJ or even 2 of the 3

Because we can't DO THAT. Don't you get it?

Blowing things up right now does nothing except Boston and Atlanta get better? Why would we do that? You want to see us give up top 5 picks for the next 5 years? That is the most painful thing I could think of.

You CANNOT rebuild without draft picks. Its impossible.

Nobody is giving up any real assets for Deron Williams or injured Lopez, or Pierce, Its simply not happening. We are not getting a lottery pick for them. And with Billy King's skills, it makes it even more unlikely.

I would rather keep D-Will/Lopez and lose in the 1st/2nd round then suck badly, and see our picks go to Atlanta and Boston.

[treiz]

HB is right, there's nothing we can build around considering we won't get any good draft picks until 2019. So that takes rebuilding out of the equation.

All of our big "assets" is just Deron and Lopez will not generate that much trade value unless somebody gets desperate sort of like the Perkins to OKC trade, even then that's unlikely considering their injury history and salary. So long story short, we're stuck with this roster for the next few years unless somebody gets desperate.

Saying that, yes BK needs to be fired. He went all in and it back fired right in his face, I can't blame him for trying but he failed and at the end of the year we should move on from him. He's essentially become our version of Zeke

[Prokorov]

Because we can't DO THAT. Don't you get it?

Blowing things up right now does nothing except Boston and Atlanta get better? Why would we do that? You want to see us give up top 5 picks for the next 5 years? That is the most painful thing I could think of.

it is clearly you that "dont get it" if you think that blowing things up does nothing but help boston/atlanta. We would be able to get a pick or two and shed a ton of salary. that does a whole lot more then "nothing"

-we'd gain draft picks we dont have allowing us to draft rookies
-we'd gain the ability to include a draft pick in a trade if we wished since we would have some in consecutive years
-we'd potentially be able to use the full MLE, depending on who we moved
-we'd have more felxibility in the walk years for the top 2016 free agents, giving us a chance to trade for them before they hit the open market, using cap space and picks we obtained

You CANNOT rebuild without draft picks. Its impossible.

how many draft picks did the heat use build their team? How many did the lakers use? both those teams traded/signed stars. their main assets were market and cap space.

Nobody is giving up any real assets for Deron Williams or injured Lopez, or Pierce, Its simply not happening. We are not getting a lottery pick for them. And with Billy King's skills, it makes it even more unlikely.

we dont need a lottery pick. getting cap space and protected/mid to late firsts would be a great move for those players. anytime you can get out of 3-4 year 40-70 million dollar contracts its an enormous move for you.

I would rather keep D-Will/Lopez and lose in the 1st/2nd round then suck badly, and see our picks go to Atlanta and Boston.

1) its not lock we even make the playoffs with dwill/lopez. we suck pretty bad WITH those guys, and 1 is out for the year and has no shot of playing.

2) our picks go to atlanta/boston either way. and they are likely lottery picks or mid first round picks with or without dwill.

3) this team is NOT winning a playoff series with dwill and lopez and to suggest such is possible is simply giant homerism at its best.