Official Caris LeVert Thread

[MrDollarBills]

I am upset that we reached on him and ended up sacrificing Young in the process but I'm not going to deny that the kid is talented. The tape on him is pretty damn good. Shooting, ball handling, attacking the rim, excellent passing, length, wingspan, all of that screams nba player. The injuries are a concern, and not because i don't think his foot may be a reoccurring problem but his style of play involves a lot of body sacrifice. I saw this kid take several wicked hits going to the rim. He is going to have to get some muscle on that frame if he wants to stay in one piece.

The stuff about athleticism. Meh. Just because a guy can't jump out of the building doesn't mean a damn thing to me. Can he shoot? dribble? pass? yes. yes. yes. There have been great players that have come and gone that weren't elite athletes.

Lots of great athletes in the d league right now. It doesn't mean a thing.

[MrDollarBills]

If LeVert doesn't have talent, what possible motivation would Vegas have for giving him the 15th best odds at ROY? Looking back, he has much better odds than CM or RHJ, who were both 50:1 after the draft in June last year (and each only went up from there over 100:1 by August). Obviously all 3 are very different style players, but if he's on a similar level as those 2 in terms of overall talent/potential then it was a very good pick.

Are you serious? 15th best. He's obviously a favorite.

It has to do with LeVert's age and opportunity. The Nets are going to suck and someone is going to get to put up empty numbers.

Michael Carter Williams won ROY by playing on an awful Philly team. It doesnt make him a good player. Nor will LeVert be considered good if he puts up 15-18 PPG on a 15 win team.

As far as RHJ and CMC. RHJ isnt a scorer so he had no chance to win ROY. McCullough was expected to miss most of the season.

Name for me the last ROY that wasn't on a garbage ass team. That's a ridiculous argument to make. The only guys that come to mind are Amare Stoudemire and Chris Webber. That doesn't mean that a ROY posts empty stats.

[jbeachboy]

nets seemd desperate to find a quality shooting guard and willing to sacrifice thad young to get levert.

[Prokorov]

If LeVert doesn't have talent, what possible motivation would Vegas have for giving him the 15th best odds at ROY? Looking back, he has much better odds than CM or RHJ, who were both 50:1 after the draft in June last year (and each only went up from there over 100:1 by August). Obviously all 3 are very different style players, but if he's on a similar level as those 2 in terms of overall talent/potential then it was a very good pick.

Are you serious? 15th best. He's obviously a favorite.

It has to do with LeVert's age and opportunity. The Nets are going to suck and someone is going to get to put up empty numbers.

Michael Carter Williams won ROY by playing on an awful Philly team. It doesnt make him a good player. Nor will LeVert be considered good if he puts up 15-18 PPG on a 15 win team.

As far as RHJ and CMC. RHJ isnt a scorer so he had no chance to win ROY. McCullough was expected to miss most of the season.

Name for me the last ROY that wasn't on a garbage ass team. That's a ridiculous argument to make. The only guys that come to mind are Amare Stoudemire and Chris Webber. That doesn't mean that a ROY posts empty stats.

yeah i mean... the best rookies go to the teams with the highest picks. the teams with the highest picks are 90% bad teams. so its no suprise ROY's are usually on bad teams

[enko]

If you are looking at potential perspective, what separates Levert from guys like Whitehead and McCullough is that Levert is not one dimensional.

[jbeachboy]

is it just cap space for free agents when nets decided to get rid of thad or was it that thad did not fit what kenny atkinson wanted or was looking for? i wonder if they were figuring how to get levert since they ranked him 11th on their draft board.

they stacked the team with guys who can shoot and bigs who can shoot outside.

[ChokeFasncists]

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I think Marks thought that Thad doesn't fit well with BroLo, so he's gotta get rid of him sooner than later. Then in the draft, he's got multiple wings around that area of the draft that he thinks can help the team, LeVert, Luwawu, Bembry, Richardson, Beasley; maybe even Korkmaz and Murray. So it was a easy thing to do. (he chose LeVert over all those except Beasley, hope he's right)

[treiz]

What exactly did you expect with the 20th pick? I understand thinking that we could (or should) have gotten more for Thad, but that's a separate discussion from whether or not LeVert was a good or bad pick vs. another player.

You cant seperate the 2. If we got the pick any other way the bar would be set much lower. That's not what happened though. We traded our 2nd best player for him. That makes the expectations much higher. It might not be fair but such is the nature of trades. You are either the winner or the loser. Right now it looks like Marks made a colossally bad trade.

Could it be a bad trade? Potentially

But a colossaly bad trade? Not really, this is not a trade that would set the team back years like some of trades BK has done. Yes Thad was our 2nd best player but let's not pretend that Thad was some type of All-star here. If it was for Lopez then fair enough, Thad is a dime a dozen player with limited upside at this point in his career.

[Net Sentence]

What exactly did you expect with the 20th pick? I understand thinking that we could (or should) have gotten more for Thad, but that's a separate discussion from whether or not LeVert was a good or bad pick vs. another player.

You cant seperate the 2. If we got the pick any other way the bar would be set much lower. That's not what happened though. We traded our 2nd best player for him. That makes the expectations much higher. It might not be fair but such is the nature of trades. You are either the winner or the loser. Right now it looks like Marks made a colossally bad trade.

Could it be a bad trade? Potentially

But a colossaly bad trade? Not really, this is not a trade that would set the team back years like some of trades BK has done. Yes Thad was our 2nd best player but let's not pretend that Thad was some type of All-star here. If it was for Lopez then fair enough, Thad is a dime a dozen player with limited upside at this point in his career.

Lets not pretend Thad was getting paid like some All-Star either, he had a very team friendly contract that should have fetched much more than the #20 pick. Thad would be making 20 mil a year if he hit free agency this year instead of last. Thad is not a dime a dozen player. If he were, Marks would have easily replaced him with something resembling an NBA starter. No Booker isnt that guy.

This trade poisoned the well in free agency. Ever since Marks got here, he has went out of his way to say the Nets were building around Lopez and THAD. The Nets often talked about how he was the first player to actually live in Brooklyn. Then he trades him on draft night right before free agency. That sent the wrong message to established vets IMO. It also didnt help us any with player agents. Things would have looked a lot different if we had Lopez and Thad and then quickly signed Lin. Having 3 starters locked up would have made us much more attractive to Mark's actual targets like Marvin WIlliams and Kent Bazemore. Instead Marks got played left and right by player agents using the Nets as leverage. You never want to be that team that gets used like that.

Say what you will about Billy King but he had very good relationships with agents and delivered on a lot of big names in the off season even if he had to overpay sometimes. People act like he was a trainwreck here but he has one of the best winning % of any GM for the Nets. I would much rather watch the Nets next year with a couple overpaid players who are actually good then to watch the slop we are going to be sending out there this year. Marks made us worst IMO and the teams around us got better. This is going to be a long, painful season.

[MrDollarBills]

what big names did King deliver in free agency or otherwise?

he's the reason we're so **** ed right now as is.

He was raped in the deal for Wallace. Raped in the deal for KG/PP.

In fact, in hindsight he was also raped in the Deron Williams deal as well. Utah sold the Nets a frickin lemon.

i hate the Thad trade too but to sit here and sing King's praises is ludicrous.

[jbeachboy]

the thad trade was about getting more cap space and to get younger. they didnt view thad as part of nets future.

[ChokeFasncists]

Young and Lopez = 21 wins.

Let's just see if Booker and Lopez = more wins.

[jbeachboy]

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I think Marks thought that Thad doesn't fit well with BroLo, so he's gotta get rid of him sooner than later. Then in the draft, he's got multiple wings around that area of the draft that he thinks can help the team, LeVert, Luwawu, Bembry, Richardson, Beasley; maybe even Korkmaz and Murray. So it was a easy thing to do. (he chose LeVert over all those except Beasley, hope he's right)

nets viewed levert as 11th on their board so they valued levert over those other guys listed. beasley went 19th or so too.

[jbeachboy]

they probably view league as a shooting and defensive oriented guard league and our shooting guards suck.

[CalamityX12]

what big names did King deliver in free agency or otherwise?

he's the reason we're so **** ed right now as is.

He was raped in the deal for Wallace. Raped in the deal for KG/PP.

In fact, in hindsight he was also raped in the Deron Williams deal as well. Utah sold the Nets a frickin lemon.

i hate the Thad trade too but to sit here and sing King's praises is ludicrous.

Billy King needs the Christmas segment treatment from the Holidays Horror movie(2016 or 2015)..... yea.... he needs that.

maybe no one knows what i'm referring to, i just saw the movie on netflix last night(not worth making plans to see it but if bored ok) and i stand by my words he deserves that ending...

[Ror1997]

So youre saying you actually approved of Billy Kings quick fixes and Overpaying so we could hover around mediocrity, as the rest of our organization fell apart? The sh*t that put us in this mess is what you would rather want? Lol.

Those types of moves aren't worth it. They put us into this situation. Who cares what his winning percentage was or how it was nice to watch a team that should win 60 games win 45 (dont lie, those teams made us all want to pull our hair out). Look at the end result. Look where we are now. Look how badly you want to be out of this situation.

The definition of insanity is trying to do the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

[Mosdefinition]

what big names did King deliver in free agency or otherwise?

he's the reason we're so **** ed right now as is.

He was raped in the deal for Wallace. Raped in the deal for KG/PP.

In fact, in hindsight he was also raped in the Deron Williams deal as well. Utah sold the Nets a frickin lemon.

i hate the Thad trade too but to sit here and sing King's praises is ludicrous.

King never had cap space to recruit anyone

Before the cap blew up king still had this team setup to sign a max player so can we please stop with the he set this franchise so far back b.s.

King set this team up for this off-season and next not marks

Not having draft picks is only a setback if the team doesn't have nba level talent

Marks failed abysmally at getting nba level talent this off-season

If king had this cap space I guarantee this team would be competing for the 7 or 8 seed

[Mosdefinition]

So youre saying you actually approved of Billy Kings quick fixes and Overpaying so we could hover around mediocrity, as the rest of our organization fell apart? The sh*t that put us in this mess is what you would rather want? Lol.

Those types of moves aren't worth it. They put us into this situation. Who cares what his winning percentage was or how it was nice to watch a team that should win 60 games win 45 (dont lie, those teams made us all want to pull our hair out). Look at the end result. Look where we are now. Look how badly you want to be out of this situation.

The definition of insanity is trying to do the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

The only move people criticized at the time was the minimum predictions placed the lilard pick and once again it bares repeating they had at the time a guy who was considered one of the 2 best point guards in the game so they never would have drafted him.

As for the Boston trade you cant find a single article at the time that criticized that trade except maybe dave d at the star ledger

Everyone was for it fans and media even Boston fan bill simmons called it pennies on the dollar

I'm not going to go back with hind sight about that trade because we were all for it.

As for the joe Johnson trade who even remembers who was taken with that pick

The end result of this season is Boston getting a second lottery pick because marks put together what looks like a 20 win team

[MrDollarBills]

what big names did King deliver in free agency or otherwise?

he's the reason we're so **** ed right now as is.

He was raped in the deal for Wallace. Raped in the deal for KG/PP.

In fact, in hindsight he was also raped in the Deron Williams deal as well. Utah sold the Nets a frickin lemon.

i hate the Thad trade too but to sit here and sing King's praises is ludicrous.

King never had cap space to recruit anyone

Before the cap blew up king still had this team setup to sign a max player so can we please stop with the he set this franchise so far back b.s.

King set this team up for this off-season and next not marks

Not having draft picks is only a setback if the team doesn't have nba level talent

Marks failed abysmally at getting nba level talent this off-season

If king had this cap space I guarantee this team would be competing for the 7 or 8 seed

Who would King sign that Marks couldn't?

[MrDollarBills]

So youre saying you actually approved of Billy Kings quick fixes and Overpaying so we could hover around mediocrity, as the rest of our organization fell apart? The sh*t that put us in this mess is what you would rather want? Lol.

Those types of moves aren't worth it. They put us into this situation. Who cares what his winning percentage was or how it was nice to watch a team that should win 60 games win 45 (dont lie, those teams made us all want to pull our hair out). Look at the end result. Look where we are now. Look how badly you want to be out of this situation.

The definition of insanity is trying to do the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

The only move people criticized at the time was the minimum predictions placed the lilard pick and once again it bares repeating they had at the time a guy who was considered one of the 2 best point guards in the game so they never would have drafted him.

As for the Boston trade you cant find a single article at the time that criticized that trade except maybe dave d at the star ledger

Everyone was for it fans and media even Boston fan bill simmons called it pennies on the dollar

I'm not going to go back with hind sight about that trade because we were all for it.

As for the joe Johnson trade who even remembers who was taken with that pick

The end result of this season is Boston getting a second lottery pick because marks put together what looks like a 20 win team

The Wallace trade was balked at the night it happened. it has nothing to do with lilliard, its the fact that the trade was absurd and cost the Nets a valuable asset. That in turn also cost the Nets another draft pick in order to get Boston to take on Wallace's salary as a apart of the KG/PP deal.

The Joe Johnson pick swap was moronic because we were doing atlanta a solid by taking back that albatross contract, they should have been the one giving us a pick