The Official Lin Net Thread

[brigadierjerry]

Knocks fan who come in peace. Since the Nets 15 man roster had been pretty set how would you compare this team as far as the players to the Linsanity team in ny when amare Melo wad hurt when it was Novack, Fields etc as far as personnel?

[bballfan1234]

Knocks fan who come in peace. Since the Nets 15 man roster had been pretty set how would you compare this team as far as the players to the Linsanity team in ny when amare Melo wad hurt when it was Novack, Fields etc as far as personnel?

Like coach Atkinson have said, it is unfair to expect Linsanity 2.0. Game have evolved with defensive schemes and offense. What I like about this roster is Lopez. He is a very good offensive center and from the few games I watched Hornets vs Nets. Bog stood out as a real offensive threat. When you have Brook-lin prn and Bog as a dead eye shooter, our offense should not be that complicated. Yeah, expect others to step up because they will get touches too! What we should be worry about is our defense. We have no idea how our defensive scheme going work but I expect the Nets to play very good team defense because they all get share of the ball on the offense. Team ball!! Go Nets go!!

[m40]

Knocks fan who come in peace. Since the Nets 15 man roster had been pretty set how would you compare this team as far as the players to the Linsanity team in ny when amare Melo wad hurt when it was Novack, Fields etc as far as personnel?

Like coach Atkinson have said, it is unfair to expect Linsanity 2.0. Game have evolved with defensive schemes and offense. What I like about this roster is Lopez. He is a very good offensive center and from the few games I watched Hornets vs Nets. Bog stood out as a real offensive threat. When you have Brook-lin prn and Bog as a dead eye shooter, our offense should not be that complicated. Yeah, expect others to step up because they will get touches too! What we should be worry about is our defense. We have no idea how our defensive scheme going work but I expect the Nets to play very good team defense because they all get share of the ball on the offense. Team ball!! Go Nets go!!

It takes time to formulate the chemistry. Lin also took almost a half season to create chemistry in hornets. (It could be slower because he was not a starter) if things go well, BKL has chance to be within 10th/9th team in east.

I wonder how Lopez thinks / responses to Lin's signing. It also applies to Booker, RHL and other new teammates. Because not all players are willing to play a "certain way". Any news or tweets can be reference?

[DartboardT]

Among the positives is Lin's ability to find bigs and get them involved. Lin made me forget Tyson Chandler was a *defensive* center. I really doubt Brook will mind JLin one bit.

IF this is Brook's Instagram - he's one of them NBA players without a blue-checked online presence IIRC - then I think things should be just fine.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHVkHQkhp_s/?taken-by=brook_lopez

[sidestep]

Among the positives is Lin's ability to find bigs and get them involved. Lin made me forget Tyson Chandler was a *defensive* center. I really doubt Brook will mind JLin one bit.

IF this is Brook's Instagram - he's one of them NBA players without a blue-checked online presence IIRC - then I think things should be just fine.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHVkHQkhp_s/?taken-by=brook_lopez

Back when they were both starters in Houston, Lin fed Asik enough at-the-rim buckets that Asik actually averaged 10 pts a game. This is Asik, who is a poor finisher, fumbles half the passes he receives, and has hands as soft as greyscale.

While Lopez doesn't have an above-the-rim kind of game, he's far and away the most skilled big man Lin has ever teamed with.

[swijayas]

ha this is interesting. worth marking

Prok .. My offer still stands on this friendly bet - to be donated to the Nets forum, if I am correct - since you are still projecting 15-25 wins, while I believe it is going to be 26 or more wins

in addition to being against forum policy, i dont make monitary bets with people i dont know.

if you want to make some kind of signature bet, im all for that

I am fine with signature bet as well.

I am actually impressed by the move that Marks has put together so far. Believe well thought in term of creating a team of players ready to break the low expectations.

[steady]

Among the positives is Lin's ability to find bigs and get them involved. Lin made me forget Tyson Chandler was a *defensive* center. I really doubt Brook will mind JLin one bit.

IF this is Brook's Instagram - he's one of them NBA players without a blue-checked online presence IIRC - then I think things should be just fine.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHVkHQkhp_s/?taken-by=brook_lopez

Back when they were both starters in Houston, Lin fed Asik enough at-the-rim buckets that Asik actually averaged 10 pts a game. This is Asik, who is a poor finisher, fumbles half the passes he receives, and has hands as soft as greyscale.

While Lopez doesn't have an above-the-rim kind of game, he's far and away the most skilled big man Lin has ever teamed with.

Sidestep - I don't know Lopez's game very well, would you say he is a better PnR partner than Tyson Chandler?

[sidestep]

Tyson really didn't do much else except dive, and in his prime he was top-tier in that area, and to PnR with Lin, that's enough. Lopez also sets excellent screens but he is so versatile in his skills, combining post finishes with an outside shot, passes well, has good hands. It really opens up the possibilities of what can be done out of the their PnR together. It's harder to deal with than PnRing with a big who can only dive, especially if Lin gets doubled off the pick and Lopez must act as the release valve. A release valve who can pass well, shoot, and work in the paint, so that the offense can continue another to action instead of getting bogged down. It's gonna be nice.

[ChokeFasncists]

Nets will hold the press conference for Lin, Booker, LeVert next Wednesday at 1pm.

No TJ......No Crabbe.....

[ChokeFasncists]

Knocks fan who come in peace. Since the Nets 15 man roster had been pretty set how would you compare this team as far as the players to the Linsanity team in ny when amare Melo wad hurt when it was Novack, Fields etc as far as personnel?

This is pretty good. It's too bad the RFAs didn't get here. But we've got a PnR/PnP finisher in Lopez, (Chandler) hustle guy who can jump, run and shoot a bit in Booker, (Jeffries) elite wing defender who can run and dunk in RHJ, (Shumps) good shooter who can't defend in Bogs, (Novak) big who can shoot and bang a bit in Hamilton/Scola, (Harrellson) versatile guard who isn't very athletic but can do a bit of everything in Vasquez, (fields/Bibby) a shooting guard that is wildly erratic but plays hard in Foye, (Bill Walker) another shooting guard that can light it up but plays iffy D in Kilpatrick (JR Smith), combo guard who looks solid but probably won't contribute much in Whitehead, (Toney Douglas) while we're at it.......why not...... high pick 3/4 tweener in Bennett (Melo), athletic 4 who can dunk and shoot in CMC (Stat).

It's all set! Good to go!

[MrDollarBills]

Among the positives is Lin's ability to find bigs and get them involved. Lin made me forget Tyson Chandler was a *defensive* center. I really doubt Brook will mind JLin one bit.

IF this is Brook's Instagram - he's one of them NBA players without a blue-checked online presence IIRC - then I think things should be just fine.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BHVkHQkhp_s/?taken-by=brook_lopez

Back when they were both starters in Houston, Lin fed Asik enough at-the-rim buckets that Asik actually averaged 10 pts a game. This is Asik, who is a poor finisher, fumbles half the passes he receives, and has hands as soft as greyscale.

While Lopez doesn't have an above-the-rim kind of game, he's far and away the most skilled big man Lin has ever teamed with.

Sidestep - I don't know Lopez's game very well, would you say he is a better PnR partner than Tyson Chandler?

Lopez is pretty much a threat to score any time he catches the ball in motion towards the rim.

[cn0gd]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/vertical-podcast-with-woj--mike-d-antoni-221033356.html

Vertical Podcast with Woj: Mike D’Antoni

27:50 give PG like Lin confidence, Jeremy Lin 7 TOs is better than team 14 TOs, give him the ball a lot prevent other guys turning it over more.

17:38: How much resentment did Knicks teammates have during Jeremy Lin’s breakout stretch in 2012?
part of the rumors proven real. "it was there, it's real"

Woj mentioned before about Lin's contract - giving him too much money will ruin the locker room - now make more sense.

[bws94]

Knocks fan who come in peace. Since the Nets 15 man roster had been pretty set how would you compare this team as far as the players to the Linsanity team in ny when amare Melo wad hurt when it was Novack, Fields etc as far as personnel?

It's hard to compare them. What made Lin have so much impact was two-fold. Lin needed to play out of his mind to stay in the league, and it was the perfect type of system and players that helped him do so. He was also not known much, not scouted as thoroughly, and really maybe teams didn't take his threat seriously. He had athletic guys who ran that he could throw lobs to, like Fields, Shump. He had Novak shooting like Ray Allen, he had good PnR centers in Chandler and Jefferies, these guys games worked with Lin. Even J.R. Smith worked with Lin briefly, and Anothony. But once Anthony came back from his injuries and needed to have more touches, the team went into a losing streak. The overall D'Antoni W/L record at that time was with Lin games was maybe under .500.

The Nets team has a different Lin, now highly scouted and known, and has played in a lot of systems. He shoots less and focuses on defense more now. And he's coming back to lead PG, and not 6th man type of combo role. There is no 3-point gunner, there is a different type of player at SG and SF, and a different type of PF. Even the center is a different type of player than Chandler. Their chemistry, is now unknown.

[spaceballer]

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[Prokorov]

Knocks fan who come in peace. Since the Nets 15 man roster had been pretty set how would you compare this team as far as the players to the Linsanity team in ny when amare Melo wad hurt when it was Novack, Fields etc as far as personnel?

id put them nowhere near as good. that knicks team had 2 way players and an elite defensive anchor(chandler). this nets team is lopez, a bunch of glorified bench players, and like maybe 1 2-way player.

[Paradise]

Knocks fan who come in peace. Since the Nets 15 man roster had been pretty set how would you compare this team as far as the players to the Linsanity team in ny when amare Melo wad hurt when it was Novack, Fields etc as far as personnel?

id put them nowhere near as good. that knicks team had 2 way players and an elite defensive anchor(chandler). this nets team is lopez, a bunch of glorified bench players, and like maybe 1 2-way player.

So, we're nowhere as good as this team?

Lin/Bibby
Fields/JR Smith
Shumpert/Bill Walker
Amare/Novak
Chandler/Jeffries

[Prokorov]

Knocks fan who come in peace. Since the Nets 15 man roster had been pretty set how would you compare this team as far as the players to the Linsanity team in ny when amare Melo wad hurt when it was Novack, Fields etc as far as personnel?

id put them nowhere near as good. that knicks team had 2 way players and an elite defensive anchor(chandler). this nets team is lopez, a bunch of glorified bench players, and like maybe 1 2-way player.

So, we're nowhere as good as this team?

Lin/Bibby
Fields/JR Smith
Shumpert/Bill Walker
Amare/Novak
Chandler/Jeffries

nope.

Tyson Chandler was the Defensive player of the year that season while averaging 12/10 while leading the NBA with a 70 TS%. that version of chandler is better then current brook lopez, or at the very least, a much more impactful player and 2-way player.

Amare was a 18/7 player on 18 PER. your not getting that from devin booker.

Novak shot 47% from three on 282 attemps. we have no floor spacer or shooter anywhere near that off the bench, or starting.

shumpert was basically their RHJ

Smith /fields where a better combo then bogs/skil and both could give you some defense.

basically...

Lin = Lin
Fields/smith > bogs/skil
Shumper = RHJ
Amare/novak >> booker/cmc
chandler > lopez (but not by a ton)

most impoetantly, that knicks team fit. it had 2 way players. it had defenders. we dont have defenders let alont a DPOTY anchor at center, and we dont have 2 way guys. and we certainly dont have a sniper from 3.

[sutton]

id put them nowhere near as good. that knicks team had 2 way players and an elite defensive anchor(chandler). this nets team is lopez, a bunch of glorified bench players, and like maybe 1 2-way player.

So, we're nowhere as good as this team?

Lin/Bibby
Fields/JR Smith
Shumpert/Bill Walker
Amare/Novak
Chandler/Jeffries

nope.

Tyson Chandler was the Defensive player of the year that season while averaging 12/10 while leading the NBA with a 70 TS%. that version of chandler is better then current brook lopez, or at the very least, a much more impactful player and 2-way player.

Amare was a 18/7 player on 18 PER. your not getting that from devin booker.

Novak shot 47% from three on 282 attemps. we have no floor spacer or shooter anywhere near that off the bench, or starting.

shumpert was basically their RHJ

Smith /fields where a better combo then bogs/skil and both could give you some defense.

basically...

Lin = Lin
Fields/smith > bogs/skil
Shumper = RHJ
Amare/novak >> booker/cmc
chandler > lopez (but not by a ton)

most impoetantly, that knicks team fit. it had 2 way players. it had defenders. we dont have defenders let alont a DPOTY anchor at center, and we dont have 2 way guys. and we certainly dont have a sniper from 3.

During that 9 games, JR only played last one game, Amare played last five games, both due to injure. Walker starts at 3, Jeffries at 4.

[sprost]

http://brook-lin.com/linsanity-gone-long-live-jeremy-lin/
New article from former Knicks beat writer with recent quote from Lin's shooting coach re: changing his 3-pt shot during last yr's season and thoughts for this yr:
"The mechanics for that shot were put in place, but last year Lin didn’t have it in muscle memory. As a result, at times he was thinking too much about his form rather than just letting the ball fly." On July 13 this summer I emailed Doc in California and asked him how Lin was doing in his workouts. He wrote back: “Physically he looks strong. He’s fit and working hard at mastering his shooting. His shot looks great and I think you ll see a big jump in his shooting proficiency this year with Nets."

[JohnStockton]

I think this Nets team is worse than the Linsanity lineup too. Mainly because...

“With Linsanity we had 11 games, if I’m not mistaken, where we were the No. 1 defensive team in the league (with Lin as the point guard),” D’Antoni says in response to a 790 AM question. “Nobody says that. Nobody says we were 10-1, or 9-1, with Lin.”

Rookie Shump & Tyson Chandler were two elite defenders. Fields/Jeffries were above-average defenders. Lin was below-average man-to-man, but playing with Chandler allowed him to gamble for steals in the passing lane. More importantly from a defensive point of view, all five of these guys had good defensive IQ. Great rotations, understood where the help should come from.

This Nets team doesn't have anywhere near the same kind of defensive ability. They don't have even one elite defender, unless you want to be generous and say that RHJ has potential to blossom into that, but until he performs at a high level consistently, he's not there yet either.

Also, prime Tyson Chandler was probably the greatest fit for Jeremy Lin ever. Elite screen setter + elite rolling big? There's literally nobody else except DeAndre Jordan that would pair up better with Lin, and I still think Tyson is a better fit, because his feel for the game is better.

Don't get it wrong, Brook will be a very good partner with Jeremy, but it won't be as good as it was with Tyson, because even though Brook is more skilled than Chandler was, he's also a complete gear slower. The Brook-Lin PnR will be more versatile, but it won't be as dynamic, and Brook's finishing ability off dives won't be elite as it was with Chandler, and his jumpshot doesn't have enough weight to offset that efficiency.