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Re: This offseason 

Post#201 » by Prokorov » Tue Apr 4, 2017 8:56 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Charlotte might even be a team whose a trade partner even without Lopez involved. Like their 11th overall pick and one of their really awful contracts for Booker, Hamilton and the Boston pick.


I dont see it... the only really bad contract they have is plumlee. they arent in the tax and actually will be 1-2 million under the cap. making that trade doesnt get them more then the MLE under the cap, so it really does nothing for them short term and long term just shaves 2 years at 12.5 million.

i doesnt seem to help charlotte enough tax wise, cap wise, or on court wise to drop 16 or so spots in the draft,
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Re: This offseason 

Post#202 » by reelsgm » Tue Apr 4, 2017 8:57 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:Charlotte might even be a team whose a trade partner even without Lopez involved. Like their 11th overall pick and one of their really awful contracts for Booker, Hamilton and the Boston pick.


I dont see it... the only really bad contract they have is plumlee. they arent in the tax and actually will be 1-2 million under the cap. making that trade doesnt get them more then the MLE under the cap, so it really does nothing for them short term and long term just shaves 2 years at 12.5 million.

i doesnt seem to help charlotte enough tax wise, cap wise, or on court wise to drop 16 or so spots in the draft,

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Re: This offseason 

Post#203 » by Prokorov » Tue Apr 4, 2017 9:00 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:Charlotte might even be a team whose a trade partner even without Lopez involved. Like their 11th overall pick and one of their really awful contracts for Booker, Hamilton and the Boston pick.


I dont see it... the only really bad contract they have is plumlee. they arent in the tax and actually will be 1-2 million under the cap. making that trade doesnt get them more then the MLE under the cap, so it really does nothing for them short term and long term just shaves 2 years at 12.5 million.

i doesnt seem to help charlotte enough tax wise, cap wise, or on court wise to drop 16 or so spots in the draft,

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Post#204 » by GA2016 » Wed Apr 5, 2017 8:18 am

Post All star this team ranks no.4 in the Eastern conference. Granted some teams started to tank. However it is really not that bad. With a few tweaks in the off season next season we might have something to expect.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#205 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Apr 5, 2017 1:00 pm

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JohnStockton wrote:The Unrestricted Free Agents this year are generally very weak, and this being the last year of a huge Salary Cap increase, most potential FA signings will be overpaid in a few years time, IMO.

In addition to those things, the majority of the very good players in FA are mainly guys nearing the end of their primes as well [Millsap, Ibaka, etc]. Their age doesn't really fit in with what the Nets are probably doing, which is looking for young gems [hence the attempted Crabbe/TJ poachings from last year].

Personally, I think the only player the Nets should throw absurd $$$ at is Otto Porter. Probably won't get him even at the MAX, but can't hurt trying.

After that likely strike-out, I'd just fill this roster with short-term Veteran stopgap deals. It doesn't really make sense to do something like sign a 32yr old Paul Millsap for the MAX, and then a few years down the line, you've finally got your draft picks back, but you're also stuck with a huge contract to a 36 year old bench player.

Try signing Mirotic, Ilysova, Patrick Patterson, Amir Johnson, or Shabazz Muhammad to cheap deals. These guys are NBA talents, though with obvious flaws. Not bad for stopgaps though, and they would fit this system.

Could also go higher end, and get true quality players that would cost a bit more [but] will also be out of their primes in 2-3 seasons. Guys like Redick, Patty Mills, and Dwyane Dedmon. These guys would help a ton, but you would probably need to overpay them to come here. They'd be here during the Jeremy Lin/Brook Lopez timeline, before the Nets really retool with their super young guys. Adding one of them would probably build the Nets into becoming a solid 30 win team. Adding two of the three could potentially make this team a contender for the 8th spot IMO, but at the cost of a sizeable chunk of salary cap for 3-4 years.

At the end of the day, I'd try MAXing Otto Porter, probably fail--and then sign only one of Redick/Mills/Dedmon for 12Mil-15Mil/yr for 3-4 years. Fill the rest of the roster spots with the cheaper guys mentioned above, and then maybe find some Euro-talents like some sources have reported.

I think this is more or less what the Nets will do. Pretty boring stuff, but I think the correct move. I'd still try to trade Lopez if you could actually get a young player with real potential for him, but I think that deal probably isn't out there, otherwise it would have already happened. Lin is underpaid for what he's producing, so there's no real reason to trade him, but that's a moot point--because it's clear both sides are committed to each other.


Yup this is where im at.... try your luck at noel/porter and kick the tires on a lopez trade again.

beyond that sign more tevor booker and joe harris types to 1+1 deals to basically roll the cap space over and take another season the chin in the W/L column to continue developing levert/RHj/Whitehead and the 2 rookies we get.

long slow build.... be patient... it will pay off.


Exactly, and in the process we get another season to develop our group of young guys, see who will work out, see who doesn't, and then we go from there

I think the Nets are doing exactly what needs to be done.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#206 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Apr 5, 2017 1:01 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:Noel will take a max and I don't think we bother. He doesn't fit the offense, especially because we don't have a stretch PF to play next to him. We're then down to Lin (34.6%), LeVert (31.4%), RHJ ? (22.2%) from 3 if you look at our current starters minus Foye. I also can't see Noel and Lopez coexisting and I can't see us getting quality value for Lopez. Noel would clog the paint and all of a sudden we go from an attacking team to a team that can't shoot 3's and can't attack the paint with no post presence on O.

He also isn't quite the high-character guy the Nets target given his public pouting in Philly.

Read this from today about him too:

Q: Where do you think the Mavs are going to work with Nerlens Noel the most to improve this offseason? What aspect of his game?
Sefko: He'll have to perfect the midrange shot. He's got the rolls to the rim. No problem there. But opponents play him for that, which is why he's had trouble finishing. If he can pick and pop for that elbow jumper to keep the defense honest, it'll open up the lob game even more. And his rebounding, which isn't bad, needs to continue to improve.


Elsewhere:
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2017/3/28/15080876/nerlens-noel-first-month-dallas-mavericks-76ers-trade
The Bad: big centers are feasting against Dallas
As mentioned above, there hasn’t been that much wrong with Noel’s time in Dallas. There has been one concern however, and it’s that big centers are still gobbling up the Mavs like they’re a college team.

Noel has made some incredible plays on low-post brutes so far (remember him stuffing Marc Gasol?) but take a look at some of the numbers some of the bigger guys in the league have put on the Mavs in games Noel has played in:

Dwight Howard on March 1: 14 points, 12 rebounds on 5-of-5 shooting
Zach Randolph on March 3: 24 points, 10 rebounds on 11-of-14 shooting
Brook Lopez on March 19: 27 points, seven rebounds on 8-of-18 shooting.
DeAndre Jordan on March 23: 14 points, 18 rebounds on 6-of-6 shooting.
Some caveats: these are obviously some of the better bigs in the league who have torched plenty of other teams and Noel obviously isn’t guarding or boxing out these guys for an entire game. But I also didn’t include what the Raptors bigs did on Saturday, where Jonas Valanciunas ate up the Mavs in the paint in the first quarter while Serge Ibaka was a terror all night.

Still, it’s a slightly worrying trend. Noel is listed at 6’11 but he looks so much smaller next to some of the bigger centers and forwards in the league. He’s so slight and has such a slim frame it’s easy for physical bigs to push and shove Noel out of the way so they can get where they need to go.

Jordan is a monster and fastbreak defense and positioning is disjointed, but it’s just alarming how easy he jumps through Noel like he’s not even there. This will be a huge part of his development and hopefully the Mavs can raise his strength and make him a more physical presence.

For what it’s worth, there aren’t a lot of bigs like Jordan in the league and low-post scorers are slowly becoming extinct. He won’t see this every game, but when he does, it would be nice if the Mavs and Noel are better prepared for it.

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2017/3/28/15080876/nerlens-noel-first-month-dallas-mavericks-76ers-trade


Article also mentions the concerns about his knees and how he's missed 3 games in Dallas from swelling.


No to Noel.


I'd rather retain Lopez and draft a Center that can rebound and defend to groom as his successor.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#207 » by Trader_Joe » Wed Apr 5, 2017 1:05 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Noel will take a max and I don't think we bother. He doesn't fit the offense, especially because we don't have a stretch PF to play next to him. We're then down to Lin (34.6%), LeVert (31.4%), RHJ ? (22.2%) from 3 if you look at our current starters minus Foye. I also can't see Noel and Lopez coexisting and I can't see us getting quality value for Lopez. Noel would clog the paint and all of a sudden we go from an attacking team to a team that can't shoot 3's and can't attack the paint with no post presence on O.

He also isn't quite the high-character guy the Nets target given his public pouting in Philly.

Read this from today about him too:

Q: Where do you think the Mavs are going to work with Nerlens Noel the most to improve this offseason? What aspect of his game?
Sefko: He'll have to perfect the midrange shot. He's got the rolls to the rim. No problem there. But opponents play him for that, which is why he's had trouble finishing. If he can pick and pop for that elbow jumper to keep the defense honest, it'll open up the lob game even more. And his rebounding, which isn't bad, needs to continue to improve.


Elsewhere:
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2017/3/28/15080876/nerlens-noel-first-month-dallas-mavericks-76ers-trade
The Bad: big centers are feasting against Dallas
As mentioned above, there hasn’t been that much wrong with Noel’s time in Dallas. There has been one concern however, and it’s that big centers are still gobbling up the Mavs like they’re a college team.

Noel has made some incredible plays on low-post brutes so far (remember him stuffing Marc Gasol?) but take a look at some of the numbers some of the bigger guys in the league have put on the Mavs in games Noel has played in:

Dwight Howard on March 1: 14 points, 12 rebounds on 5-of-5 shooting
Zach Randolph on March 3: 24 points, 10 rebounds on 11-of-14 shooting
Brook Lopez on March 19: 27 points, seven rebounds on 8-of-18 shooting.
DeAndre Jordan on March 23: 14 points, 18 rebounds on 6-of-6 shooting.
Some caveats: these are obviously some of the better bigs in the league who have torched plenty of other teams and Noel obviously isn’t guarding or boxing out these guys for an entire game. But I also didn’t include what the Raptors bigs did on Saturday, where Jonas Valanciunas ate up the Mavs in the paint in the first quarter while Serge Ibaka was a terror all night.

Still, it’s a slightly worrying trend. Noel is listed at 6’11 but he looks so much smaller next to some of the bigger centers and forwards in the league. He’s so slight and has such a slim frame it’s easy for physical bigs to push and shove Noel out of the way so they can get where they need to go.

Jordan is a monster and fastbreak defense and positioning is disjointed, but it’s just alarming how easy he jumps through Noel like he’s not even there. This will be a huge part of his development and hopefully the Mavs can raise his strength and make him a more physical presence.

For what it’s worth, there aren’t a lot of bigs like Jordan in the league and low-post scorers are slowly becoming extinct. He won’t see this every game, but when he does, it would be nice if the Mavs and Noel are better prepared for it.

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2017/3/28/15080876/nerlens-noel-first-month-dallas-mavericks-76ers-trade


Article also mentions the concerns about his knees and how he's missed 3 games in Dallas from swelling.


No to Noel.


I'd rather retain Lopez and draft a Center that can rebound and defend to groom as his successor.

Me too.

I think Noel is a fine player, but again don't see him fitting our offense (which will ultimately decide how good we are IMO) and I don't think he's worth $25m a year considering his limitations on offense, his knee injuries and his questionable character. (and yes, I realize he had a right to be upset in Philly, but I still think he showed a lack of maturity and class)
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Re: This offseason 

Post#208 » by kamaze » Wed Apr 5, 2017 2:36 pm

Noel has made some incredible plays on low-post brutes so far (remember him stuffing Marc Gasol?) but take a look at some of the numbers some of the bigger guys in the league have put on the Mavs in games Noel has played in:

Dwight Howard on March 1: 14 points, 12 rebounds on 5-of-5 shooting

Zach Randolph on March 3: 24 points, 10 rebounds on 11-of-14 shooting

Brook Lopez on March 19: 27 points, seven rebounds on 8-of-18 shooting.

DeAndre Jordan on March 23: 14 points, 18 rebounds on 6-of-6 shooting.

Some caveats: these are obviously some of the better bigs in the league who have torched plenty of other teams and Noel obviously isn’t guarding or boxing out these guys for an entire game.


Notice who scored the most points against him LOPEZ he's a great scorer.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#209 » by Prokorov » Wed Apr 5, 2017 8:24 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Noel will take a max and I don't think we bother. He doesn't fit the offense, especially because we don't have a stretch PF to play next to him. We're then down to Lin (34.6%), LeVert (31.4%), RHJ ? (22.2%) from 3 if you look at our current starters minus Foye. I also can't see Noel and Lopez coexisting and I can't see us getting quality value for Lopez. Noel would clog the paint and all of a sudden we go from an attacking team to a team that can't shoot 3's and can't attack the paint with no post presence on O.

He also isn't quite the high-character guy the Nets target given his public pouting in Philly.

Read this from today about him too:



Elsewhere:
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2017/3/28/15080876/nerlens-noel-first-month-dallas-mavericks-76ers-trade

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2017/3/28/15080876/nerlens-noel-first-month-dallas-mavericks-76ers-trade


Article also mentions the concerns about his knees and how he's missed 3 games in Dallas from swelling.


No to Noel.


I'd rather retain Lopez and draft a Center that can rebound and defend to groom as his successor.

Me too.

I think Noel is a fine player, but again don't see him fitting our offense (which will ultimately decide how good we are IMO) and I don't think he's worth $25m a year considering his limitations on offense, his knee injuries and his questionable character. (and yes, I realize he had a right to be upset in Philly, but I still think he showed a lack of maturity and class)



offense is easy enough to find. plenty of shooters where we could find a stretch 4. Defense is a much bigger, tougher issue. and one we will never solve with lopez starting.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#210 » by Trader_Joe » Wed Apr 5, 2017 8:31 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
I'd rather retain Lopez and draft a Center that can rebound and defend to groom as his successor.

Me too.

I think Noel is a fine player, but again don't see him fitting our offense (which will ultimately decide how good we are IMO) and I don't think he's worth $25m a year considering his limitations on offense, his knee injuries and his questionable character. (and yes, I realize he had a right to be upset in Philly, but I still think he showed a lack of maturity and class)



offense is easy enough to find. plenty of shooters where we could find a stretch 4. Defense is a much bigger, tougher issue. and one we will never solve with lopez starting.

Why did we not find a stretch 4 last off-season or through trade?
And where how does that clear the lane so our guards can continue to attack at the rate they do? We don't have great shooters, thus they drive.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#211 » by Prokorov » Wed Apr 5, 2017 8:36 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:Why did we not find a stretch 4 last off-season or through trade?


we didnt need one we had two stretch 5's

And where how does that clear the lane so our guards can continue to attack at the rate they do? We don't have great shooters, thus they drive.


Noel + stretch 4 is the same space as Lopez + RHJ.
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Post#212 » by Trader_Joe » Wed Apr 5, 2017 8:41 pm

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Trader_Joe wrote:Why did we not find a stretch 4 last off-season or through trade?


we didnt need one we had two stretch 5's

And where how does that clear the lane so our guards can continue to attack at the rate they do? We don't have great shooters, thus they drive.


Noel + stretch 4 is the same space as Lopez + RHJ.

Costing ALOT more money.. say $45m combined.
BTW we did try for Marvin Williams and got rebuked, remember?

And moving a C from the middle is much important than the PF.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#213 » by Prokorov » Wed Apr 5, 2017 8:44 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Why did we not find a stretch 4 last off-season or through trade?


we didnt need one we had two stretch 5's

And where how does that clear the lane so our guards can continue to attack at the rate they do? We don't have great shooters, thus they drive.


Noel + stretch 4 is the same space as Lopez + RHJ.

Costing ALOT more money.. say $45m combined.
BTW we did try for Marvin Williams and got rebuked, remember?

And moving a C from the middle is much important than the PF.


MArvin williams was last year. more options this year. various ranges. Mirotic, Ilyasova. etc...

Mvoing a C out is not as important. especially when you weight it vs drastically improving your defense. also, its tougher to help off noel then lopez cause noel can finish lobs if you help off him. gives your offense that verticle element.

as far as "more money" not sure how that matters. we have mountains of cap room. we NEED more high salary starting players. we have enough role guys.

Get 4 2-way shooters around noel and this team can complete. with lopez it will also be a struggle defensively.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#214 » by Trader_Joe » Wed Apr 5, 2017 8:47 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
we didnt need one we had two stretch 5's



Noel + stretch 4 is the same space as Lopez + RHJ.

Costing ALOT more money.. say $45m combined.
BTW we did try for Marvin Williams and got rebuked, remember?

And moving a C from the middle is much important than the PF.


MArvin williams was last year. more options this year. various ranges. Mirotic, Ilyasova. etc...

Mvoing a C out is not as important. especially when you weight it vs drastically improving your defense. also, its tougher to help off noel then lopez cause noel can finish lobs if you help off him. gives your offense that verticle element.

as far as "more money" not sure how that matters. we have mountains of cap room. we NEED more high salary starting players. we have enough role guys.

Get 4 2-way shooters around noel and this team can complete. with lopez it will also be a struggle defensively.

I just don't see KA liking Noel at all. Not a shooter, injured past and a pouter.
More money at PF and C, means less chance of upgrading the wing and back up PG. I'm ok with RHJ, Booker, Acy at PF, but not with Noel here.

And there was this from the previous page regarding his D...

Dwight Howard on March 1: 14 points, 12 rebounds on 5-of-5 shooting
Zach Randolph on March 3: 24 points, 10 rebounds on 11-of-14 shooting
Brook Lopez on March 19: 27 points, seven rebounds on 8-of-18 shooting.
DeAndre Jordan on March 23: 14 points, 18 rebounds on 6-of-6 shooting.
Some caveats: these are obviously some of the better bigs in the league who have torched plenty of other teams and Noel obviously isn’t guarding or boxing out these guys for an entire game. But I also didn’t include what the Raptors bigs did on Saturday, where Jonas Valanciunas ate up the Mavs in the paint in the first quarter while Serge Ibaka was a terror all night.

Still, it’s a slightly worrying trend. Noel is listed at 6’11 but he looks so much smaller next to some of the bigger centers and forwards in the league. He’s so slight and has such a slim frame it’s easy for physical bigs to push and shove Noel out of the way so they can get where they need to go.
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Re: This offseason 

Post#215 » by Hello Brooklyn » Wed Apr 5, 2017 9:32 pm

Yeah I'm not a Noel fan.

But after seeing this team play for the past month, I would rather see if we can add a wing player and try to make a run at the playoffs next year.

Then we can let Lopez expire and go back to tanking in 2019
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Re: This offseason 

Post#216 » by Prokorov » Wed Apr 5, 2017 10:20 pm

Trader_Joe wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Costing ALOT more money.. say $45m combined.
BTW we did try for Marvin Williams and got rebuked, remember?

And moving a C from the middle is much important than the PF.


MArvin williams was last year. more options this year. various ranges. Mirotic, Ilyasova. etc...

Mvoing a C out is not as important. especially when you weight it vs drastically improving your defense. also, its tougher to help off noel then lopez cause noel can finish lobs if you help off him. gives your offense that verticle element.

as far as "more money" not sure how that matters. we have mountains of cap room. we NEED more high salary starting players. we have enough role guys.

Get 4 2-way shooters around noel and this team can complete. with lopez it will also be a struggle defensively.

I just don't see KA liking Noel at all. Not a shooter, injured past and a pouter.
More money at PF and C, means less chance of upgrading the wing and back up PG. I'm ok with RHJ, Booker, Acy at PF, but not with Noel here.

And there was this from the previous page regarding his D...

Dwight Howard on March 1: 14 points, 12 rebounds on 5-of-5 shooting
Zach Randolph on March 3: 24 points, 10 rebounds on 11-of-14 shooting
Brook Lopez on March 19: 27 points, seven rebounds on 8-of-18 shooting.
DeAndre Jordan on March 23: 14 points, 18 rebounds on 6-of-6 shooting.
Some caveats: these are obviously some of the better bigs in the league who have torched plenty of other teams and Noel obviously isn’t guarding or boxing out these guys for an entire game. But I also didn’t include what the Raptors bigs did on Saturday, where Jonas Valanciunas ate up the Mavs in the paint in the first quarter while Serge Ibaka was a terror all night.

Still, it’s a slightly worrying trend. Noel is listed at 6’11 but he looks so much smaller next to some of the bigger centers and forwards in the league. He’s so slight and has such a slim frame it’s easy for physical bigs to push and shove Noel out of the way so they can get where they need to go.



im not sure why we are singling out 5 players who played against noel when we have real data to go on, in larger sample sizes, which is more meaningful and telling. the stats above give us little if anything.

money is irrelevant, we have mountains of it. investing it in a 25 year old defender is the kind of thing we WANT to do. "pouter" is just flat out riddiculous. they guy wanted to play not tank. he has been a model teammate in dallas.

im not worried about his size. he is a plus defender with all-nba defense potential. even as an average defender he would be a huge upgrade just for his ability to trap pick and rolls and switch on to smalls. something you NEED to do in todays nba and we cant do as currently constructed.

noel is 25 with D anchor potential and as is makes an enormous difference with how we can defend teams. you can find stretch bigs. we need defenders.
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This offseason 

Post#217 » by Paradise » Thu Apr 6, 2017 12:45 am

Prokorov wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
I'd rather retain Lopez and draft a Center that can rebound and defend to groom as his successor.

Me too.

I think Noel is a fine player, but again don't see him fitting our offense (which will ultimately decide how good we are IMO) and I don't think he's worth $25m a year considering his limitations on offense, his knee injuries and his questionable character. (and yes, I realize he had a right to be upset in Philly, but I still think he showed a lack of maturity and class)



offense is easy enough to find. plenty of shooters where we could find a stretch 4. Defense is a much bigger, tougher issue. and one we will never solve with lopez starting.

It's April and not a single realistic free agent on the market right now is capable of being a 20 point scorer worthy of replacing Lopez. Rudy Gay looked like a good wing fit but that injury he suffered will scare off just about anybody. Same thing with Danilo Gallinari. Entered the season as a possible Lopez replacement offensively but he's averaging 17.9/5/2 on 62.0 TS%. That looks great on paper but he won't nearly have as many looks as he does with Jokic. We might as well just sign someone like him outright and keep Lopez.

We are not desperate to find a major pick with some of the new additions already improving our defense. We need more defensive talent but as of today, I don't see the need to deal Brook and gamble on FA. Not a solid idea by any means and it honestly, took all season to figure out the PF rotation. I couldn't imagine how long it would take to properly fill the C position with someone capable of impacting the game right away.

Lopez isn't untouchable but by all accounts, he deserves to stick around more than recent memory. It would also send a mad message to their improvement towards the end of the year to deal Brook for someone with no offensive talent.

Brook is better served staying here for another year with Lin and co, while mentoring our draft pick. Someone like Harry Giles who is pure athleticism and defensive energy but lacking polish on his skill set could also benefit from a season behind Lopez.


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Post#218 » by kamaze » Thu Apr 6, 2017 1:04 am

Noel can't shoot he wouldn't work in this offense look at who they signed Hamilton is a perimeter player and they encourage Brook to shoot the three to spread the floor.
Noel doesn't fit the mold.
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Post#219 » by Prokorov » Thu Apr 6, 2017 9:16 pm

Paradise wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Trader_Joe wrote:Me too.

I think Noel is a fine player, but again don't see him fitting our offense (which will ultimately decide how good we are IMO) and I don't think he's worth $25m a year considering his limitations on offense, his knee injuries and his questionable character. (and yes, I realize he had a right to be upset in Philly, but I still think he showed a lack of maturity and class)



offense is easy enough to find. plenty of shooters where we could find a stretch 4. Defense is a much bigger, tougher issue. and one we will never solve with lopez starting.

It's April and not a single realistic free agent on the market right now is capable of being a 20 point scorer worthy of replacing Lopez. Rudy Gay looked like a good wing fit but that injury he suffered will scare off just about anybody. Same thing with Danilo Gallinari. Entered the season as a possible Lopez replacement offensively but he's averaging 17.9/5/2 on 62.0 TS%. That looks great on paper but he won't nearly have as many looks as he does with Jokic. We might as well just sign someone like him outright and keep Lopez.

We are not desperate to find a major pick with some of the new additions already improving our defense. We need more defensive talent but as of today, I don't see the need to deal Brook and gamble on FA. Not a solid idea by any means and it honestly, took all season to figure out the PF rotation. I couldn't imagine how long it would take to properly fill the C position with someone capable of impacting the game right away.

Lopez isn't untouchable but by all accounts, he deserves to stick around more than recent memory. It would also send a mad message to their improvement towards the end of the year to deal Brook for someone with no offensive talent.

Brook is better served staying here for another year with Lin and co, while mentoring our draft pick. Someone like Harry Giles who is pure athleticism and defensive energy but lacking polish on his skill set could also benefit from a season behind Lopez.


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i think its a bad message to keep brook... tells your team you arent serious about defense and value non competitive players
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Post#220 » by Paradise » Thu Apr 6, 2017 9:25 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Paradise wrote:
Prokorov wrote:

offense is easy enough to find. plenty of shooters where we could find a stretch 4. Defense is a much bigger, tougher issue. and one we will never solve with lopez starting.

It's April and not a single realistic free agent on the market right now is capable of being a 20 point scorer worthy of replacing Lopez. Rudy Gay looked like a good wing fit but that injury he suffered will scare off just about anybody. Same thing with Danilo Gallinari. Entered the season as a possible Lopez replacement offensively but he's averaging 17.9/5/2 on 62.0 TS%. That looks great on paper but he won't nearly have as many looks as he does with Jokic. We might as well just sign someone like him outright and keep Lopez.

We are not desperate to find a major pick with some of the new additions already improving our defense. We need more defensive talent but as of today, I don't see the need to deal Brook and gamble on FA. Not a solid idea by any means and it honestly, took all season to figure out the PF rotation. I couldn't imagine how long it would take to properly fill the C position with someone capable of impacting the game right away.

Lopez isn't untouchable but by all accounts, he deserves to stick around more than recent memory. It would also send a mad message to their improvement towards the end of the year to deal Brook for someone with no offensive talent.

Brook is better served staying here for another year with Lin and co, while mentoring our draft pick. Someone like Harry Giles who is pure athleticism and defensive energy but lacking polish on his skill set could also benefit from a season behind Lopez.


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i think its a bad message to keep brook... tells your team you arent serious about defense and value non competitive players

Says who, though? They all want him there and they all mentioned how much of a presence he is. He's a good coachable guy who has raised his level of defense during this stretch because he's got more athletic talent to help his slow recovery. I don't think anyone non-competitive would be buying into the culture change.

At some point, his weaknesses will have to be addressed but there is no realistic upgrade in sight. We have more than enough options to address needs without having to needlessly deal our best scorer immediately. We didn't expect to land a first for Bojan or get McDaniels for free but we did.

If Milwaukee can still hold onto Monroe. I don't see why we wouldn't hold onto Brook and add to what we have established for the last 20+ games. Unless, we are landing a lottery talent or established all-star caliber player then there is really no need to get overexcited and assume we'd be better off. Lin isn't showing to be a 20ppg guy and LeVert is not going to be one right away.

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