Going forward to next season and beyond

[DarkXaero]

Kevin Love wants to come here if he's bought out allegedly

Love would be amazing. legit stretch 5. think about how much offensive value green and blake had... Love is a sniper and a better rebounder then either of them. you split minutes with him and blake to keep both fresh and we may make the GSW offense look like the washington generals thats how good we would be.

I can see the fit. What I don't want is Nash and MDA trotting out line ups with Love at center.

It's not even about Love the player, who I know can offer value to us, it's about the coach.

I mean Kevin Love is really only a center in current NBA though, I'm not sure why you're trying to put that on the coaches.

[MrDollarBills]

Love would be amazing. legit stretch 5. think about how much offensive value green and blake had... Love is a sniper and a better rebounder then either of them. you split minutes with him and blake to keep both fresh and we may make the GSW offense look like the washington generals thats how good we would be.

I can see the fit. What I don't want is Nash and MDA trotting out line ups with Love at center.

It's not even about Love the player, who I know can offer value to us, it's about the coach.

I mean Kevin Love is really only a center in current NBA though, I'm not sure why you're trying to put that on the coaches.

I'm pretty certain that Kevin Love has been playing PF the last two years. Here, he'd probably play C because Nash and MDA seem to think 5 out basketball is a winning formula

[DarkXaero]

I can see the fit. What I don't want is Nash and MDA trotting out line ups with Love at center.

It's not even about Love the player, who I know can offer value to us, it's about the coach.

I mean Kevin Love is really only a center in current NBA though, I'm not sure why you're trying to put that on the coaches.

I'm pretty certain that Kevin Love has been playing PF the last two years. Here, he'd probably play C because Nash and MDA seem to think 5 out basketball is a winning formula

In Lebron's final year with the Cavs, Kevin Love was mainly playing center. With how the NBA has changed/evolved, and with Kevin Love being a subpar athlete (especially now), you absolutely do not want him playing 4 or anything other than C. 5 out basketball certainly is a winning formula, if you do not have liabilities on the floor. Lakers won a title last year doing a lot of that. Raptors did the same in 2019. Warriors played a lot of 5 out basketball, when Draymond's 3pt shooting wasn't as bad as it is now. Being against 5 out basketball is being a basketball dinosaur.

[MrDollarBills]

I mean Kevin Love is really only a center in current NBA though, I'm not sure why you're trying to put that on the coaches.

I'm pretty certain that Kevin Love has been playing PF the last two years. Here, he'd probably play C because Nash and MDA seem to think 5 out basketball is a winning formula

In Lebron's final year with the Cavs, Kevin Love was mainly playing center. With how the NBA has changed/evolved, and with Kevin Love being a subpar athlete (especially now), you absolutely do not want him playing 4 or anything other than C. 5 out basketball certainly is a winning formula, if you do not have liabilities on the floor. Lakers won a title last year doing a lot of that. Raptors did the same in 2019. Warriors played a lot of 5 out basketball, when Draymond's 3pt shooting wasn't as bad as it is now. Being against 5 out basketball is being a basketball dinosaur.

Being against it when we do not have the personnel to play it like the teams you mentioned is not being a basketball dinosaur, it is being realistic. Those teams had two way players in those line ups, like for instance Golden State had Draymond, Klay, and Iggy which made it work. Not the case here

[DarkXaero]

I'm pretty certain that Kevin Love has been playing PF the last two years. Here, he'd probably play C because Nash and MDA seem to think 5 out basketball is a winning formula

In Lebron's final year with the Cavs, Kevin Love was mainly playing center. With how the NBA has changed/evolved, and with Kevin Love being a subpar athlete (especially now), you absolutely do not want him playing 4 or anything other than C. 5 out basketball certainly is a winning formula, if you do not have liabilities on the floor. Lakers won a title last year doing a lot of that. Raptors did the same in 2019. Warriors played a lot of 5 out basketball, when Draymond's 3pt shooting wasn't as bad as it is now. Being against 5 out basketball is being a basketball dinosaur.

Being against it when we do not have the personnel to play it like the teams you mentioned is not being a basketball dinosaur, it is being realistic. Those teams had two way players in those line ups, like for instance Golden State had Draymond, Klay, and Iggy which made it work. Not the case here

We do have the personnel though, we have one of the most unique/best suited players for it in KD, who can play 3 positions. Then you have Harden who is by far best suited to switching defense schemes, where he can actually guard much bigger players in the post. Then Jeff Green was also a player specifically brought in for that of system. So yeah, its not true that we didn't have the personnel.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kevin Love would be an excellent fit. Play him at Center. Imagine the wide open 3s he gets. And the rebounds!

[HardenGoat]

Is Love actually going to be bought out though? If he is it’s a no brainer to get him. He would be another Blake and put on limited minutes with his injury history. Stretch 5. He would put in the effort on a contender. The haters would be out in force.

[Openheimer]

If Spencer is hell bent the clippers as some rumours are circulating, I would love to get Marcus Morris in return. A damn good wing defender and a really good three point shooter. But he will immediately help the front court and stretches at the small forward wing defense.

[ecuhus1981]

If Spencer is hell bent the clippers as some rumours are circulating, I would love to get Marcus Morris in return. A damn good wing defender and a really good three point shooter. But he will immediately help the front court and stretches at the small forward wing defense.

Eh, there are multiple hurdles to executing a sign-and-trade with the Clippers.

LAC are already at $148mil in 21-22 salary, and the luxury tax threshold for next season is projected to be $136mil. Bringing in a S&T'd player means that you are "hard-capped" for that active season. You are not allowed to go more than $4mil over the luxury tax threshold, what is called the "apron". That would be $140mil.

So, in order to sign Spencer for a contract stating at, say, $18mil, they would need to drop $26mil in salary somehow. Morris accounts for $16mil, but you would need to add Ibaka without taking any other salary. They also couldn't extend Kawhi or sign their 1st round pick. I see him going to the Clippers via S&T as dang near impossible this offseason.

Now, the Lakers are far more feasible.

[Prokorov]

Love is a Center.

forget the semantics about what he was somewhere else or the NBA or whatever. Any team not stuck in the stoneage would use Love as a center...

but all of that is moot. even if he was a shooting guard, we would use him here at center. if you are over 6'8" and shoot threes, your not playing anything but center here unless maybe you are some limited role guy and durant is on the bench.

Love here would be blake griffin. a full time center.

[DarkXaero]

If Spencer is hell bent the clippers as some rumours are circulating, I would love to get Marcus Morris in return. A damn good wing defender and a really good three point shooter. But he will immediately help the front court and stretches at the small forward wing defense.

Eh, there are multiple hurdles to executing a sign-and-trade with the Clippers.

LAC are already at $148mil in 21-22 salary, and the luxury tax threshold for next season is projected to be $136mil. Bringing in a S&T'd player means that you are "hard-capped" for that active season. You are not allowed to go more than $4mil over the luxury tax threshold, what is called the "apron". That would be $140mil.

So, in order to sign Spencer for a contract stating at, say, $18mil, they would need to drop $26mil in salary somehow. Morris accounts for $16mil, but you would need to add Ibaka without taking any other salary. They also couldn't extend Kawhi or sign their 1st round pick. I see him going to the Clippers via S&T as dang near impossible this offseason.

Now, the Lakers are far more feasible.

I believe you're allowed to go $6 mill over the tax apon, not $4 mill, but otherwise, yes, you're spot on. Clippers are easily the better option for us to send Dinwiddie to, in terms of desirable assets for us, but unfortunately, the S&T hard cap complication makes it basically impossible. This issue is far more manageable for the Lakers like you said, but their assets are trash and personally, I wouldn't want any part of it. We'd be strengthening a rival while getting crap back, at which point, letting Dinwiddie walk for nothing looks like the better option.

I'm still leaning towards the mindset of keeping Dinwiddie (if he's willing to re-sign obviously). It seems incredibly redundant at first but he can easily be a 25+ MPG player in this rotation, and allows us to load manage Kyrie & Harden very effectively. You can slot him in 1-3 in this system (on both ends) with ease. And then of course, down the line, we have the option of trading him if it makes sense.

[Prokorov]

If Spencer is hell bent the clippers as some rumours are circulating, I would love to get Marcus Morris in return. A damn good wing defender and a really good three point shooter. But he will immediately help the front court and stretches at the small forward wing defense.

Eh, there are multiple hurdles to executing a sign-and-trade with the Clippers.

LAC are already at $148mil in 21-22 salary, and the luxury tax threshold for next season is projected to be $136mil. Bringing in a S&T'd player means that you are "hard-capped" for that active season. You are not allowed to go more than $4mil over the luxury tax threshold, what is called the "apron". That would be $140mil.

So, in order to sign Spencer for a contract stating at, say, $18mil, they would need to drop $26mil in salary somehow. Morris accounts for $16mil, but you would need to add Ibaka without taking any other salary. They also couldn't extend Kawhi or sign their 1st round pick. I see him going to the Clippers via S&T as dang near impossible this offseason.

Now, the Lakers are far more feasible.

I believe you're allowed to go $6 mill over the tax apon, not $4 mill, but otherwise, yes, you're spot on. Clippers are easily the better option for us to send Dinwiddie to, in terms of desirable assets for us, but unfortunately, the S&T hard cap complication makes it basically impossible. This issue is far more manageable for the Lakers like you said, but their assets are trash and personally, I wouldn't want any part of it. We'd be strengthening a rival while getting crap back, at which point, letting Dinwiddie walk for nothing looks like the better option.

I'm still leaning towards the mindset of keeping Dinwiddie (if he's willing to re-sign obviously). It seems incredibly redundant at first but he can easily be a 25+ MPG player in this rotation, and allows us to load manage Kyrie & Harden very effectively. You can slot him in 1-3 in this system (on both ends) with ease. And then of course, down the line, we have the option of trading him if it makes sense.

It depends on the cost. 4/80 id probably sign him and look to trade him by the deadline. You only pay tax on the roster you end the season with, so as long as we offload him, its fine.

but 4/100 or 5/100 would be tough to move and/or get positive value for

[Sharcm1]

Love is a rebounding machine. We should get him if we can.

[Prokorov]

Love is a rebounding machine. We should get him if we can.

A lineup of:

Harden/Kyrie/KD/Blake/Love would be fun even if it didnt end up working well.... insane offensive firepower, shooting, IQ and would trigger everyone on the GB.

all 5 guys can score from everywhere, and with Love you add offensive rebounding and post play too.

[flopoelro]

I know S&Ts are extremely difficult to pull off, but just thinking about some options with Spencer, and Denver seems like a good spot.

Murray coming off ACL injury, Barton has a player option, JaMychal Green has player option, Millsap is a free agent. Risky to have both Murray and Dinwiddie coming off ACL injuries, but I'd love something centered around Dinwiddie for JaMychal Green. He can definitely guard 4-5, plays with an edge, hits just under 40% of his 3s. Could be our PJ Tucker/Jae Crowder acquisition.

[Prokorov]

I know S&Ts are extremely difficult to pull off, but just thinking about some options with Spencer, and Denver seems like a good spot.

Murray coming off ACL injury, Barton has a player option, JaMychal Green has player option, Millsap is a free agent. Risky to have both Murray and Dinwiddie coming off ACL injuries, but I'd love something centered around Dinwiddie for JaMychal Green. He can definitely guard 4-5, plays with an edge, hits just under 40% of his 3s. Could be our PJ Tucker/Jae Crowder acquisition.

Green is overrated a ton. he isnt in crowders league by a longshot. people call him 3 and D but his d isnt that good and he makes tons of losing plays on both ends.

hard pass, even if it was as a free agent

[flopoelro]

I know S&Ts are extremely difficult to pull off, but just thinking about some options with Spencer, and Denver seems like a good spot.

Murray coming off ACL injury, Barton has a player option, JaMychal Green has player option, Millsap is a free agent. Risky to have both Murray and Dinwiddie coming off ACL injuries, but I'd love something centered around Dinwiddie for JaMychal Green. He can definitely guard 4-5, plays with an edge, hits just under 40% of his 3s. Could be our PJ Tucker/Jae Crowder acquisition.

Green is overrated a ton. he isnt in crowders league by a longshot. people call him 3 and D but his d isnt that good and he makes tons of losing plays on both ends.

hard pass, even if it was as a free agent

Maybe, maybe not.

Crowder's found himself in 2 great spots (Phoenix and Miami). Before that, he shot 37% from the field and 29% from 3 in Memphis. Before that, he shot 39% from the field and 33% from 3 in Utah.

If Green landed in Brooklyn, with this cast, I don't think it'd be surprising for his play to elevate, like Crowder's did.

[Hello Brooklyn]

What do you guys think of Danny Green?

Any chance he would take the MLE? Or does he have too much value?

Hes an NJ kid who could compete for a title and live at home.

If we can somehow pull that off I would trade Harris immediately. And look for more defensive help.

[Prokorov]

I know S&Ts are extremely difficult to pull off, but just thinking about some options with Spencer, and Denver seems like a good spot.

Murray coming off ACL injury, Barton has a player option, JaMychal Green has player option, Millsap is a free agent. Risky to have both Murray and Dinwiddie coming off ACL injuries, but I'd love something centered around Dinwiddie for JaMychal Green. He can definitely guard 4-5, plays with an edge, hits just under 40% of his 3s. Could be our PJ Tucker/Jae Crowder acquisition.

Green is overrated a ton. he isnt in crowders league by a longshot. people call him 3 and D but his d isnt that good and he makes tons of losing plays on both ends.

hard pass, even if it was as a free agent

Maybe, maybe not.

Crowder's found himself in 2 great spots (Phoenix and Miami). Before that, he shot 37% from the field and 29% from 3 in Memphis. Before that, he shot 39% from the field and 33% from 3 in Utah.

If Green landed in Brooklyn, with this cast, I don't think it'd be surprising for his play to elevate, like Crowder's did.

FG% is irrelevant for guys who take 75% of their shots from three

[haosmoove]

My dream scenario this summer would be a double S&T with the Kings for Holmes. In my mind, Holmes is equally impactful but plays a position of need, and he's also not recovering from an injury.

In order for this double S&T to happen, Kings would need to clear up a little salary to sign Holmes in the first place. (Holmes signed a 2 year with Kings so they cannot go over the cap to give him a market value contract)

Why would the Kings do this if they have Fox/Haliburton? Well, they are the Kings and Divac is still running the show there. He would do whatever in his power to put Bagley in a position to not look like a bust. To me that means playing him at center full time.