The Official Ben 10 Simmons Thread

[MrDollarBills]

If Ben isn't ready to play then WTF did we get him for? We are wasting Durant's prime by bringing in divas like Irving, Harden, and now Simmons.

Ben is hurt, can't really do anything til he's able to handle physical activity.

Getting rid of Harden was worth it.

[Marvin Martian]

If Ben isn't ready to play then WTF did we get him for? We are wasting Durant's prime by bringing in divas like Irving, Harden, and now Simmons.

Ben is hurt, can't really do anything til he's able to handle physical activity.

Getting rid of Harden was worth it.

Not if it means bringing on Simmons. He should have been sent to a young rebuilding team in a 3 team deal. This is a team with champion aspirations. We don't have time for this.

[MrDollarBills]

If Ben isn't ready to play then WTF did we get him for? We are wasting Durant's prime by bringing in divas like Irving, Harden, and now Simmons.

Ben is hurt, can't really do anything til he's able to handle physical activity.

Getting rid of Harden was worth it.

Not if it means bringing on Simmons. He should have been sent to a young rebuilding team in a 3 team deal. This is a team with champion aspirations. We don't have time for this.

I don't know what deals were out there for Marks to make though. Tyrese Halliburton had already been shipped to Indiana. Who were we going to flip Ben to, Indiana for Caris LeVert? Bradley Beal was not available either.

We don't have time for a lot of things but they keep happening anyway. Kyrie not being able to play at home. Joe Harris' ankle getting messed on. On and on and on.

Getting rid of Harden was a massive plus for this team in all facets of the game. Harden was making our offense stagnant and he was a cancer in the locker room. Philadelphia fans will be on suicide watch come the playoffs when they get eliminated and Harden shows his true colors.

After the way Harden pissed his pants when we played them in a playoff level game, I question the sanity of any Nets fan who insists that we should have kept him.

[TheNetsFan]

Ben is hurt, can't really do anything til he's able to handle physical activity.

Getting rid of Harden was worth it.

Not if it means bringing on Simmons. He should have been sent to a young rebuilding team in a 3 team deal. This is a team with champion aspirations. We don't have time for this.

I don't know what deals were out there for Marks to make though. Tyrese Halliburton had already been shipped to Indiana. Who were we going to flip Ben to, Indiana for Caris LeVert? Bradley Beal was not available either.

We don't have time for a lot of things but they keep happening anyway. Kyrie not being able to play at home. Joe Harris' ankle getting messed on. On and on and on.

Getting rid of Harden was a massive plus for this team in all facets of the game. Harden was making our offense stagnant and he was a cancer in the locker room. Philadelphia fans will be on suicide watch come the playoffs when they get eliminated and Harden shows his true colors.

After the way Harden pissed his pants when we played them in a playoff level game, I question the sanity of any Nets fan who insists that we should have kept him.

John Collins is the one guy that comes to mind, but that would have further imbalanced the roster.

[MrDollarBills]

Not if it means bringing on Simmons. He should have been sent to a young rebuilding team in a 3 team deal. This is a team with champion aspirations. We don't have time for this.

I don't know what deals were out there for Marks to make though. Tyrese Halliburton had already been shipped to Indiana. Who were we going to flip Ben to, Indiana for Caris LeVert? Bradley Beal was not available either.

We don't have time for a lot of things but they keep happening anyway. Kyrie not being able to play at home. Joe Harris' ankle getting messed on. On and on and on.

Getting rid of Harden was a massive plus for this team in all facets of the game. Harden was making our offense stagnant and he was a cancer in the locker room. Philadelphia fans will be on suicide watch come the playoffs when they get eliminated and Harden shows his true colors.

After the way Harden pissed his pants when we played them in a playoff level game, I question the sanity of any Nets fan who insists that we should have kept him.

John Collins is the one guy that comes to mind, but that would have further imbalanced the roster.

Collins has been injury riddled all year.

I am content with seeing what we have with Ben. We know he is an all star level talent and a game changer defensively.

[gigantes]

Yep. The Nets did this crap with Joe Harris.

Ben isn't going to be ready. Why lie to us? Just be honest.

Oof. Y'all seem kinda harsh with such claims, mateys.

So-- the human body may ultimately be a synthetic construct, able to be repaired at a whim just like mechanical machinery given requisite knowledge, but until then, it seems to me that medical science is still basically our best attempt to fish around in the dark, hoping to improve upon nature.

Meaning, we're still wrong all the time, screw up all the time, and fall short with a regularity when it comes to medical science.

With that in mind, what proof do we really have that the Nets LIED to us about Joe and Ben? Because selling a few more Wolf Tickets doesn't seem like it helps Tsai, the players, or the franchise in general..

Seems like they are just dragging out the inevitable by being coy about everything is what I am getting at. The way Nash kept answering questions about Ben made ppl think Ben was faking it which frankly is disgusting, but the Nets didn't do him any favors either by not being upfront about it.

Yeah, I don't know. Seems to me Nash has been put in several infamous positions lately in which he either doesn't know the answer or has incomplete info, and wisely doesn't want to fan the flames. Point is, he kind of winds up looking like a schmuck, just because.

Are we missing a Brett Yormark or good PR person these days? Maybe.


IANAD, but from what I understand, a herniated disc isn't usually a discrete injury like a ligament tear that can be quickly diagnosed and prescribed conclusive treatment for. It's more nebulous, can flare up unpredictably, then go away on its own with rest.

I wouldn't be totally surprised if Ben was already playing through a deal of pain last playoffs, with that affecting his performance and aggressiveness, then felt betrayed by Embiid's & whoever's comments afterwards. For sure he could have handled things better, but I could see why Simmons might have felt the way he did about not wanting to go back.

But also just the difficulty of answering pressing Q's like, "is he in / is he out / for how long / what's next?" I have a condition kinda like that myself, and it can be maddening trying to get clarity.

[giambijuice]

He wouldn't get an epidural if he wasnt planning on playing this year but I don't really see how he's ready in time for the playoffs. Last update on him is that he's unable to do anything. I don't see how you go from that to NBA playoff ready form in 3 weeks or so. I think he's done and the Nets are just stringing along the fans like they usually do.

Yep. The Nets did this crap with Joe Harris.

Ben isn't going to be ready. Why lie to us? Just be honest.

Marks/Nets PR has been all-time bad levels of garbage... making definitive statements that blow up in their face (big 3 will be signed by training camp) to clear lies (harden doesnt want a trade) to injuries (Joe as mentioned)

its a crapshow. They need new PR and to get rid of this Bill Bellicheck approach.

its 2022. too much social media and too many insiders to take that route

if they were using the bill belichick approach then nash would have to actually coach.

[therealbig3]

This is gonna be the "wait til next year" era for the franchise. Simmons and Kyrie are basically out for the playoffs, we all know this. Last year, we got hit with injuries at the worst time, but in no small part because of Harden coming in and out of shape and then sustaining a hamstring injury.

We're already playing with fire given Durant coming off an Achilles...for as many games as he's missed, it's been a miracle already that he hasn't sustained another devastating injury in the 2 years he's played with us, and is physically still at the top of his game.

This is always the most frustrating and heartbreaking era for a franchise from a fans' perspective: tons of hype, tons of hope, always able to excuse away any disappointments because of injuries or whatever, and then constantly telling ourselves "wait til next year", and then we do the same song and dance again.

[Revived]

I think back stuff can be ongoing for a player throughout his career and a major headache for the team.

I’m surprised Nets medical staff didn’t find this during physicals after the trade, they could’ve canceled the trade then and there by failing Simmons physical.

[Stone]

What will happen if we are in a worst case scenario and Ben is unable to continue playing? Does insurance cover his pay? I remember back when Jason Williams injured his leg and was no longer able to play our insurance covered the large amount of money on his contract. IIRC it was close to 100 million.

[Prokorov]

Nets god-awful luck trumps whatever the actual medical diagnosis there is... even if he is on track there will be a setback

ben wont play and if he does it will be in a way that doesnt help us somehow

[MrDollarBills]

Shams said that the Nets expect Ben to play this season. I don't like the idea of throwing him into playoff basketball with such little time left.

[Prokorov]

Shams said that the Nets expect Ben to play this season. I don't like the idea of throwing him into playoff basketball with such little time left.

I do.

Throw him 20 minutes off the bench when KD sits. All he needs to do is defend and pass. be bruce brown.

[TheNetsFan]

Shams said that the Nets expect Ben to play this season. I don't like the idea of throwing him into playoff basketball with such little time left.

I do.

Throw him 20 minutes off the bench when KD sits. All he needs to do is defend and pass. be bruce brown.

Agreed. I don't know where I heard it, but I believe he said Simmons wouldn't start, just come off the bench. He'll take all of JJ's minutes, plus some of Brown's and Claxton's.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Im not high on Simmons. But at least test him out.

Defense has been so bad it cant possibly be worse with Simmons.

[Prokorov]

Im not high on Simmons. But at least test him out.

Defense has been so bad it cant possibly be worse with Simmons.

the back terrifies me. even if his condition is not a long term concern we are a cursed franchise and it will end up somehow being career ending.

if we can move him for fox or collins or haliburton i do it immedietly

[CalamityX12]

Shams said that the Nets expect Ben to play this season. I don't like the idea of throwing him into playoff basketball with such little time left.

I do.

Throw him 20 minutes off the bench when KD sits. All he needs to do is defend and pass. be bruce brown.

Play him with KD... eases KD's responsibility on both ends.

If Simmons is coherently mobile, it should be able to work out.... but who da f knows.... if the offense plays stagnant it won't help him.

[Paradise]

Im not high on Simmons. But at least test him out.

Defense has been so bad it cant possibly be worse with Simmons.

the back terrifies me. even if his condition is not a long term concern we are a cursed franchise and it will end up somehow being career ending.

if we can move him for fox or collins or haliburton i do it immedietly

OR hear me out…wild idea. We could simply allow him to get surgery or treatment when the season is over and prepare for a full recovery by training camp.

Sounds nuts, right?

[cam24thomas]

He's had back problems in past years, and it wasn't considered career-threatening at all.
Then again, Philly cannot be trusted.

[TheNetsFan]

Im not high on Simmons. But at least test him out.

Defense has been so bad it cant possibly be worse with Simmons.

the back terrifies me. even if his condition is not a long term concern we are a cursed franchise and it will end up somehow being career ending.

if we can move him for fox or collins or haliburton i do it immedietly

OR hear me out…wild idea. We could simply allow him to get surgery or treatment when the season is over and prepare for a full recovery by training camp.

Sounds nuts, right?

Surgery is not even being considered. Normal treatment is rest, anti-inflammatories, visits to a chiropractor, etc.