Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[Prokorov]

I think Saric is an enticing option to go after for the MLE.

He would be a good stretch 4 to put next to Durant. Will likely get screwed out of a big contract cause of the cap situation.

I dont think we can afford more non-athletic non-defenders. i think a guy like him for a stretch 5 when you need it. but you cant use our MLE on that

[ecuhus1981]

The blazers could give him the full MLE
The nuggets could give him the full MLE
The thunder could give him the full MLE

Let's address the Heat as well as these 3.

Miami cannot give Ibaka the MLE or any substantial multi-year deal, while keeping this and next year's picks and roster holds AND reserve enough capspace for a 7-10 year veteran max slot, not unless the '21-'22 cap rises significantly from its current $115mil projection. We're still in a pandemic, revenue will be way down for the BRI for several months even after arenas have filled. The league and the players union are going to have to agree to violate the CBA, just to artificially keep the cap where it is currently, so as not to shock the market.

The Nuggets have capspace to offer him, but I think they want to retain their free agents. Grant is one of the few FA's this offseason that's going to get OVERPAID, due to him balling out in the bubble and being a UFA at a desirable position. It also sounds like they also want to keep Millsap and Plumlee. If they sign anyone with the room exception, my guess is it'll be a guard for veteran depth and playmaking, like Rondo or Augustin.

A return to the Thunder would be a nice storyline, but wild Serge recognize anyone there anymore? Pretty much only Adams, and he hated playing alongside or behind him. Also, OKC may extend Danilo, but I don't see them investing in other 30-somethings. They're getting ready to sell Paul and embrace the tank, not pile on salary and attempt to cling to the 7th/8th seed out West.

Portland? PoRtLaNd?!?! They are butting up against the luxury tax apron, with long odds of even making the postseason. LAL, LAC, DEN, UTA, GSW and DAL will all be better than them for sure. NOP, MEM, SAC and HOU will be tough to fend off. IF the Blazers use the MLE, it'll be the same amount we can offer, and we offer more playing time if we trade Jarrett. and more success.

Keep em coming, bruh.

[ProspectPark]

I think Saric is an enticing option to go after for the MLE.

He would be a good stretch 4 to put next to Durant. Will likely get screwed out of a big contract cause of the cap situation.

Imagine Saric’s passing on our team. Plus his mid range game is money. He would be perfect for us. He could play backup 4, small ball 5, and starting PF when KD rests.

A lot of things have to break our way tho to get him. Phoenix signing FVV or Ibaka would help.

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[MrDollarBills]

Its becoming more and more obvious with the dearth of cap space and shrinking cap that most Free Agents will be underpaid this off season.

Some of the teams with cap will also be looking to save it for next off season. Also even the teams with cap are miserable situations like Detroit or Cleveland which Free Agents may not want to go too regardless.

I'm more confident that we can add a very good piece with the MLE this off season. Someone is going to get shut out of Free Agency and when they do all the contenders will be competing for their services.

Still think we should stand pat and let the chips fall where they may before making any major decisions. I still believe our #1 priority is to add defensive wing depth.

The NBA lost substantial revenue from having to not only cancel games but actually shell out millions to operate in the bubble. No one is getting paid big time this offseason. We're going to be probably looking for roster room to fit in some serviceable vet minimums.

It feels nice to be a contender, knowing that we will get some decent vet help for diddly squat

[MrDollarBills]

Windhorst says that we engaged the Pelicans in trade talks over Jrue at the deadline. With Jrue being an expiring, I wonder if they will meet us at the table again.

[vincecarter4pres]

Sorry to disappoint you my friend but that's not how it works. That means player will go for highest bidder. We just have to be thankful for the fact we got great owner who's willing to spend. We going to stay pat IMHO.

Don't you get it? There literally isn't enough money to go around.

The pandemic has ruined any chance of a cap spike and many teams are less willing to spend. Two teams with cap space Dallas & Miami are preserving their cap for 2021.

Someone is going to have to take a pay cut for next year.

I think you forgotten security part. With new upcoming cba players will go for new contracts like there is no tommorow. Seen what Ibaka had to say. Whatcha what rest of them going to do.
PS . Don't get your hopes to high. We got good team as it is.

You're still ignoring the point that there are too many good free agents out there and not enough teams with cap room, or teams willing to spend their cap room on anything other then 1 year deals or absorbing a low risk, medium reward expiring guy.

Yes, you are correct, this means the handful of top guys will still get paid and maybe go to a team they never would have under normal circumstances. Your VanVleets and Jerami Grant's, Gordan Hayward, Harrel, Crowder and Joe Harris are going to get paid. Ibaka probably gets more then the Taxpayer's MLE, but I'm not so sure if it will be more then the regular MLE.

The bottom line is, things have changed. It was already highly likely we got a nice impact player for the mini-MLE, now it's likely we get a really good player for that same amount.

You're not going to see Cleveland or Atlanta blowing their load on Ibaka for no reason, especially when they have young centers they just traded for.

There is no Khris Middleton, or Jimmy Butler's, or Kemba Walker's out there this year. And certainly no Kyrie's, KD's, Klay's or Kawhi's. Sure, a player here, a player there always gets overpaid and guys go to situations they like, but don't love, because you'd have to be crazy to turn down $20 million a year for literally half that or less when you're on your last big contract opportunity. But there aren't even really isn't a Millsap, a Horford or a George Hill, Joakim Noah, Dwight Howard, Bogdanovic, etc., like there were in '15-'17.

I can see Crowder to Dallas on a 1 year, $23 million type of deal. I can see someone going stupid and signing Ibaka for 3 years and $50 million. Someone might break the bank for Jerami Grant, maybe Atlanta. But to beat a dead horse, there are going to be some really nice players left standing there with their dick in there hands and once they have about 3 or 4 teams to choose from for Taxpayer's MLE, we're going to be a crazy desirable destination, if only a 2 year with player option deal.

[vincecarter4pres]

Its becoming more and more obvious with the dearth of cap space and shrinking cap that most Free Agents will be underpaid this off season.

Some of the teams with cap will also be looking to save it for next off season. Also even the teams with cap are miserable situations like Detroit or Cleveland which Free Agents may not want to go too regardless.

I'm more confident that we can add a very good piece with the MLE this off season. Someone is going to get shut out of Free Agency and when they do all the contenders will be competing for their services.

Still think we should stand pat and let the chips fall where they may before making any major decisions. I still believe our #1 priority is to add defensive wing depth.

To me, this is all the more reason to make a big move and if possible, another further consolidation trade.

If you can bring in a third star, open up roster spots and maybe even somehow get down to the full MLE, that's huge.

Imagine shaving off a big chunk of the combined salaries of Dinwiddie, LeVert, Prince, Allen, etc, bringing in Jrue, re-signing Joe Harris, being able to get a guy like Ibaka or Crowder for full MLE and one other decent piece came back in one of the consolidation trades?

Sentimental value would say, "ZOMG, we give away our whole future!", but if you know you're losing one of Dinwiddie or Allen next off-season anyway, upgrading to Jrue, bringing in a big time impact free agent on full MLE, plus get a one year rental on a player much better then Prince, or even a guy on a 2 or 3 year deal, then have a couple open roster spots to add a ring chaser like Melo and keep one of our G-League finds or a 2nd round surprise, and yet the only possible picks that even went out were the 19th overall and maybe a top 5 protected '20, we're in good shape.

Marks is going to have options, that's for sure.

[vincecarter4pres]

Windhorst says that we engaged the Pelicans in trade talks over Jrue at the deadline. With Jrue being an expiring, I wonder if they will meet us at the table again.

You have to imagine this isn't just smoke. New Orleans or someone in someone's camp leaked this and we'll surely speak to them again.

I still think there's this tiny outside shot Harden or Paul George is dealt too, so Marks will have his hands in a lot of pies.

[Prokorov]

Windhorst says that we engaged the Pelicans in trade talks over Jrue at the deadline. With Jrue being an expiring, I wonder if they will meet us at the table again.

You would hope. we have a solid 2 year window to win a title. and we wont win it without some defense. Our most disposable assets are redundant, oft, injured, or dont fit our stars. We ar ein a prime position ot make a win-now move for jure. marks needs to get it done

[Prokorov]

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Sentimental value would say, "ZOMG, we give away our whole future!", but if you know you're losing one of Dinwiddie or Allen next off-season anyway, upgrading to Jrue, bringing in a big time impact free agent on full MLE, plus get a one year rental on a player much better then Prince, or even a guy on a 2 or 3 year deal, then have a couple open roster spots to add a ring chaser like Melo and keep one of our G-League finds or a 2nd round surprise, and yet the only possible picks that even went out were the 19th overall and maybe a top 5 protected '20, we're in good shape.

Marks is going to have options, that's for sure.

Yeah, i mean... if we all take the homer glasses off there isnt a single young player on this team that cant be replaced with a pick in the teens in you average draft. And Levert/Dinwidde are likely close if not at the end of any major development at 26+ years old.

Allen is good. but non-shooting centers that dont project to DPOTY type defenders typically dont go in the lottery anymore. its part of how we got allen in the 20s in the first place. more teams are opting to not even go with a center as the league trends smaller. i think if you move allen you have Jordan plus picks in the teens or moving up to the teens you eventually find the next allen and not have to pay them what allen will make on a new deal. Claxton may never crack the rotation for a playoff team.

Musa/Kurucs/TLC are all guys you can get in the late first/early second of every draft.

Levert/Prince are solid rotation players, but for 15M per year you can find other levert/princes. maybe even healthier ones who play better defense.

Dinwiddie is the closest thing to something you would miss. acombo guard with size who can score, create offense and defend up to smallball 4s.

our best asset is probably the 2023 pick. thtas the one id hold on to. the rest can all go in the right deals without hesitation.

[Prokorov]

Windhorst says that we engaged the Pelicans in trade talks over Jrue at the deadline. With Jrue being an expiring, I wonder if they will meet us at the table again.

You have to imagine this isn't just smoke. New Orleans or someone in someone's camp leaked this and we'll surely speak to them again.

I still think there's this tiny outside shot Harden or Paul George is dealt too, so Marks will have his hands in a lot of pies.

Yeah jrue makes too much sense for it not to be true. i dont think there is a better fit for this team in the entire league. he fixes almot all of our issues.

-We need defense, he is the best guard defender in the league and can defend 3/4s at an elite level.
-Kyrie is injury prone, Jrue gives us 20/8 offense as a #2 option for any kyrie misses. takes the load off durant in those cases

he is basically marcus smart with dinwiddies offense. i think we become favorites for a title if we get him and retain harris

[vincecarter4pres]

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Sentimental value would say, "ZOMG, we give away our whole future!", but if you know you're losing one of Dinwiddie or Allen next off-season anyway, upgrading to Jrue, bringing in a big time impact free agent on full MLE, plus get a one year rental on a player much better then Prince, or even a guy on a 2 or 3 year deal, then have a couple open roster spots to add a ring chaser like Melo and keep one of our G-League finds or a 2nd round surprise, and yet the only possible picks that even went out were the 19th overall and maybe a top 5 protected '20, we're in good shape.

Marks is going to have options, that's for sure.

Yeah, i mean... if we all take the homer glasses off there isnt a single young player on this team that cant be replaced with a pick in the teens in you average draft. And Levert/Dinwidde are likely close if not at the end of any major development at 26+ years old.

Allen is good. but non-shooting centers that dont project to DPOTY type defenders typically dont go in the lottery anymore. its part of how we got allen in the 20s in the first place. more teams are opting to not even go with a center as the league trends smaller. i think if you move allen you have Jordan plus picks in the teens or moving up to the teens you eventually find the next allen and not have to pay them what allen will make on a new deal. Claxton may never crack the rotation for a playoff team.

Musa/Kurucs/TLC are all guys you can get in the late first/early second of every draft.

Levert/Prince are solid rotation players, but for 15M per year you can find other levert/princes. maybe even healthier ones who play better defense.

Dinwiddie is the closest thing to something you would miss. acombo guard with size who can score, create offense and defend up to smallball 4s.

our best asset is probably the 2023 pick. thtas the one id hold on to. the rest can all go in the right deals without hesitation.

Dinwiddie to me is the hardest one to replace for sure, but as is discussed ad nauseam, you're upgrading him to Jrue and Dinwiddie could bounce next off-season anyway.

I am not in the camp of giving up all 3 of Dinwiddie, Allen and LeVert to get Jrue, along with picks, but if it's done in a combination that also sends out Prince, brings back an additional rotation player of some sort, who there are minutes for, and brings us far enough below the Tax Apron to have full MLE with a known target, then I'm good with it.

I do think it's harder to find LeVert's and Allen's late in the draft then you make it, but to me it's not about the concept of where you can get them, or the on paper value, as it's just the importance that if you can turn them(good young players with some big flaws and injury concerns), into a perfect fit 3rd star type, and the ability to sign a much better win now free agent, and open up roster spots for ring chasers and more hidden gem TLC/Cheese type grabs, you have to do it, unless you're hanging onto them knowing you can land a bigger fish for them in the near future.

[vincecarter4pres]

Windhorst says that we engaged the Pelicans in trade talks over Jrue at the deadline. With Jrue being an expiring, I wonder if they will meet us at the table again.

You have to imagine this isn't just smoke. New Orleans or someone in someone's camp leaked this and we'll surely speak to them again.

I still think there's this tiny outside shot Harden or Paul George is dealt too, so Marks will have his hands in a lot of pies.

Yeah jrue makes too much sense for it not to be true. i dont think there is a better fit for this team in the entire league. he fixes almot all of our issues.

-We need defense, he is the best guard defender in the league and can defend 3/4s at an elite level.
-Kyrie is injury prone, Jrue gives us 20/8 offense as a #2 option for any kyrie misses. takes the load off durant in those cases

he is basically marcus smart with dinwiddies offense. i think we become favorites for a title if we get him and retain harris

Harden and Paul George, especially the latter are the best fits in the league for us as trade targets imho. Harden is a lot better off ball then he's given credit for, a much better defender then given credit for, durable and his resume speaks for itself. George is still an ace defender, great shooter, heady player, great athlete, long, multi-position defender and on offense. Both just need to be true 2nd and 3rd options, respectively. It's hard to even put a guy like Harden in a position to be his team's 2nd option, but here he'd be just that. Same with George. Not too hard to make him a 2nd option, but for him to be a 3rd, he has to be on a team like this, or LAC would need to acquire a guy like KAT or Beal. Probably not being traded this season anyway, so I digress.

Jrue is a great fit here, that is for sure.

[MGrand15]

I find the perception of LeVert to be fascinating around the league / media. Zach Lowe - who I think has some solid Net sources - said he doesn't think the Nets give up LeVert unless we get a Bradley Beal type 3rd bonafide star. He specifically said he didn't think they're willing to give him up for Jrue. Maybe that's just a smokescreen and maybe they end up caving. Maybe Lowe is just speculating. If the Nets are that high on him - I find it hard to believe he gets moved.

I just think it's interesting that the team / the league seems MUCH higher on LeVert than Dinwiddie. LeVert is always the guy brought up in 3rd star talks whether it's Nash, KD, the media, or even Spencer himself talking about it.

[Prokorov]

I do think it's harder to find LeVert's and Allen's late in the draft then you make it, but to me it's not about the concept of where you can get them, or the on paper value, as it's just the importance that if you can turn them(good young players with some big flaws and injury concerns), into a perfect fit 3rd star type, and the ability to sign a much better win now free agent, and open up roster spots for ring chasers and more hidden gem TLC/Cheese type grabs, you have to do it, unless you're hanging onto them knowing you can land a bigger fish for them in the near future.

i dont knoow. i mean what draft the past 10 years doesnt have a levert and/or allen type or better in the teens somewhere? We didnt get a great look at this last draft but if you go back 1 year to the '18 draft you have these G/F types in the teens/20s:

-porter jr.
-Divincenzo
-Smith
-Holiday
-Shamut
-Devonte Graham

then in that same draft the knicks got mitchell robinson in the low 30s i think

[Hello Brooklyn]

Its becoming more and more obvious with the dearth of cap space and shrinking cap that most Free Agents will be underpaid this off season.

Some of the teams with cap will also be looking to save it for next off season. Also even the teams with cap are miserable situations like Detroit or Cleveland which Free Agents may not want to go too regardless.

I'm more confident that we can add a very good piece with the MLE this off season. Someone is going to get shut out of Free Agency and when they do all the contenders will be competing for their services.

Still think we should stand pat and let the chips fall where they may before making any major decisions. I still believe our #1 priority is to add defensive wing depth.

To me, this is all the more reason to make a big move and if possible, another further consolidation trade.

If you can bring in a third star, open up roster spots and maybe even somehow get down to the full MLE, that's huge.

Imagine shaving off a big chunk of the combined salaries of Dinwiddie, LeVert, Prince, Allen, etc, bringing in Jrue, re-signing Joe Harris, being able to get a guy like Ibaka or Crowder for full MLE and one other decent piece came back in one of the consolidation trades?

Sentimental value would say, "ZOMG, we give away our whole future!", but if you know you're losing one of Dinwiddie or Allen next off-season anyway, upgrading to Jrue, bringing in a big time impact free agent on full MLE, plus get a one year rental on a player much better then Prince, or even a guy on a 2 or 3 year deal, then have a couple open roster spots to add a ring chaser like Melo and keep one of our G-League finds or a 2nd round surprise, and yet the only possible picks that even went out were the 19th overall and maybe a top 5 protected '20, we're in good shape.

Marks is going to have options, that's for sure.

I jus't don't think the "third star" thing is really relevant in the NBA anymore. Teams are basically moving away from it.

Why invest so much in a third star when you can just have more depth and players who you can use in different situations?

A "third star" will not have the ball enough to do much more than a high level role player in any case.

Jrue is 30 years old will likely want a max contract next year. That wraps us up in 30 million for a non-all star PG.

I would personally spread that 30 mill around to keep high level role players.

I also really don't think Holiday fits our biggest need which is wing defenders who can guard LeBron/Tatum/Kawhi in a playoff series. Holiday is great for guarding Curry/Lillard types which are not really prevalent in the East.

I would look to fill that gap first and then try to add a stretch 4 before looking for a defensive guard.

I still think we need to consolidate by trading Allen for a 3&D type guy. Spencer can be moved too for the right price but he really wants to be here and will likely fill a need on the bench.

I think Dinwiddie + Levert could kill other bench units next year and could be used in three guard lineups.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The blazers could give him the full MLE
The nuggets could give him the full MLE
The thunder could give him the full MLE

Let's address the Heat as well as these 3.

Miami cannot give Ibaka the MLE or any substantial multi-year deal, while keeping this and next year's picks and roster holds AND reserve enough capspace for a 7-10 year veteran max slot, not unless the '21-'22 cap rises significantly from its current $115mil projection. We're still in a pandemic, revenue will be way down for the BRI for several months even after arenas have filled. The league and the players union are going to have to agree to violate the CBA, just to artificially keep the cap where it is currently, so as not to shock the market.

The Nuggets have capspace to offer him, but I think they want to retain their free agents. Grant is one of the few FA's this offseason that's going to get OVERPAID, due to him balling out in the bubble and being a UFA at a desirable position. It also sounds like they also want to keep Millsap and Plumlee. If they sign anyone with the room exception, my guess is it'll be a guard for veteran depth and playmaking, like Rondo or Augustin.

A return to the Thunder would be a nice storyline, but wild Serge recognize anyone there anymore? Pretty much only Adams, and he hated playing alongside or behind him. Also, OKC may extend Danilo, but I don't see them investing in other 30-somethings. They're getting ready to sell Paul and embrace the tank, not pile on salary and attempt to cling to the 7th/8th seed out West.

Portland? PoRtLaNd?!?! They are butting up against the luxury tax apron, with long odds of even making the postseason. LAL, LAC, DEN, UTA, GSW and DAL will all be better than them for sure. NOP, MEM, SAC and HOU will be tough to fend off. IF the Blazers use the MLE, it'll be the same amount we can offer, and we offer more playing time if we trade Jarrett. and more success.

Keep em coming, bruh.

Nuggets are the biggest threat to Ibaka.

I don't see the other teams as realistic fits.

What about a sign and trade for Toronto?

Don't know how to make the salaries work but we could use some combination of Prince and Allen.

[ProspectPark]

Windhorst says that we engaged the Pelicans in trade talks over Jrue at the deadline. With Jrue being an expiring, I wonder if they will meet us at the table again.

Scoop B started the rumor, and now every web site and analyst just runs with it as if it were facts.

Marks is not dumb to put himself in a situation where he has to pay a below average undersized guard who can’t shoot $30+ million when he’s ages 32 to 36.

Look at how quick the 76ers screwed up their roster by overpaying role players. Even the Celtics had so much hope, and now if you go on their board, they are trying everything they can to dump Kemba. That’s exactly what would happen to us if we traded for Jrue.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Windhorst says that we engaged the Pelicans in trade talks over Jrue at the deadline. With Jrue being an expiring, I wonder if they will meet us at the table again.

Scoop B started the rumor, and now every web site and analyst just runs with it as if it were facts.

Marks is not dumb to put himself in a situation where he has to pay a below average undersized guard who can’t shoot $30+ million when he’s ages 32 to 36.

Look at how quick the 76ers screwed up their roster by overpaying role players. Even the Celtics had so much hope, and now if you go on their board, they are trying everything they can to dump Kemba. That’s exactly what would happen to us if we traded for Jrue.

Imagine being saddled with paying a 33 year old declining Jrue Holiday in 30 million in 3 years.

There are better moves to be made. Patience is key.

[Prokorov]

Windhorst says that we engaged the Pelicans in trade talks over Jrue at the deadline. With Jrue being an expiring, I wonder if they will meet us at the table again.

Scoop B started the rumor, and now every web site and analyst just runs with it as if it were facts.

Marks is not dumb to put himself in a situation where he has to pay a below average undersized guard who can’t shoot $30+ million when he’s ages 32 to 36.

Look at how quick the 76ers screwed up their roster by overpaying role players. Even the Celtics had so much hope, and now if you go on their board, they are trying everything they can to dump Kemba. That’s exactly what would happen to us if we traded for Jrue.

he can shoot
he isnt under sized
he isnt average

he is an elite defender, all-star calibur player and would instantly make us substantially better.

the swapped butler for horford basically. we arent dumping a butler and jrue is much better than horford.