Official D'Angelo Russell Thread

vincecarter4pres · Post #2121 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 2:31 am

Marquis Teague. #NeverForget

Roy Tarpley · Post #2122 » by **Roy Tarpley** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:05 am

Per 36 numbers:

Age 20: 41/35/74 17/4/4
Age 21: 41/35/78 20/4/6
Age 22: 42/32/74 22/6/7

Over his three years, Dlo's efficiency has been fairly mediocre with little improvement. To be an All-Star level G, I think his splits need to get to around 44/37/82. Even players like Darren Collison, Jeff Teague, and Mike Conley maintain these percentages and one reason they don't have great absolute numbers is that they don't take as many shots as players like people like Westbrook or Lillard. One of the unheralded reasons for the Pacers success this year is that Collison has an amazing 50/45/87 split (his 6'0" height has belied his skills - to shoot 50% as a 6'0" guard is ridiculous).

Dlo's absolute numbers are trending upward, which reflects that he's taking more shots, driving more, and having the confidence to control the team more. But his TO numbers are also going up.

Overall, DLo's trajectory doesn't look great. Most stars are already demonstrating their potential, even when they're 19 or 20. People like Curry and Irving were already efficient at 19. Lillard was putting up big numbers his rookie year. Westbrook and Harden had inefficient numbers their rookie years but made huge steps each following year. There are examples of longer-term growth like Kemba Walker or Chauncey Billups. So Year 4 is going to be a big year for Dlo. If he can't make that leap, I don't think he's someone worth keeping unless it's at a sharply reduced rate. Keeping a Monta Ellis type player is the surest path to mediocrity. Hell, even Monta was a 53/23/77 player at age 22.

MrDollarBills · Post #2123 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:03 pm

Too soon to judge how this goes. This is his first year under a staff that actually coaches him.

IceManBK1 · Post #2124 » by **IceManBK1** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:05 am

thought dlo was impassionate and passive today...didn't even attempt to get by Calderon, who's like a million yrs old. the only time he get by him, he missed a really easy layup. perhaps he needs to concentrate better on finishing layups and floaters<-one where lebron try to draw a charge on him and didn't even contest his shot. He needs to be confident when he go against those top players, lebron, pg13, westbrook, durant..it's not he afraid to do anything against those guys.
then he took couple of unnecessary fouls and gets himself into foul trouble. so what if you/teammate turn the ball over. you dont gotta foul the player to stop their transition. just get back on transition defense.
i feel like he was mentally taking a dayoff/backseat to his teammates today. RHJ and Caroll were aggressive early on. Maybe it was the coach's gameplan for Dlo to get those guys going first. But i think plays more confident when he gets himself going first, then score and dish as he takes what the defense gives him. This whole finding balance between scoring and passing is BS. The lakers tried this with Dlo, make him a pass first player and it didn't bold well. It's hard for a scorer to get a rhythm going when he spents most of the time deferring to his teammates. I think that's why Dlo's been starting the game shooting 1 for 4 or sth like like that. Parts of it is cuz he's content to setting for 3s which i blame the offense for. And part of it is cuz he come outta the gate deferring and not looking to be aggressive.

Prokorov · Post #2125 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:49 am

Russell is shooting 39.*% from three in march on very high volume (33 of 83 ... his most attempts by far in any month). 17/5/4 in march. he will need to put up that kind of shooting consistently, regardless of his other play, to be worth a big payday vs. being mvoed IMO. im encouraged by his march shooting, but as of now id still move him if i could

Paradise · Post #2126 » by **Paradise** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:45 am

Lol You think the Nets are moving a Top 3 Pick (22 Years Old) we acquired for Lopez (never was supposed to happen) because we haven’t seen him reach superstar levels within 1 season which technically was half a season?

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”I plan on being here for life, so I think that time will happen. I feel like it’ll catch up. I won’t [lose that time from injury],” Russell said. “Eighty-two games sounds like a lot, but that went by quick. I missed a lot, but it went by fast. Imagine what two or three healthy seasons, which relationships can be built, what creative strategies you and the coaches can create, timing.”

“Every year in the league you want you get better. You look, reflect debrief on what you need to work on and get better. That’s always the objective. I know I’m capable of flirting with a triple-double every night. It’s all about opportunities, system. The more I’m in the gym, the more I learn the system, it’ll all come out.”

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SpeedyG · Post #2127 » by **SpeedyG** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:16 pm

Prokorov wrote:Russell is shooting 39.*% from three in march on very high volume (33 of 83 ... his most attempts by far in any month). 17/5/4 in march. he will need to put up that kind of shooting consistently, regardless of his other play, to be worth a big payday vs. being mvoed IMO. im encouraged by his march shooting, but as of now id still move him if i could

is he a 39% shooter though? I don't think he is (at least not yet). I'd bet it comes down as season progresses before it levels.

MrDollarBills · Post #2128 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:43 pm

With better shot selection I believe he can hit the 36-37% range which would do wonders for him. His shot has looked good since he started getting his NBA legs back under him.

Again, if he wants a max contract extension, I don't know if that will be prudent. But I would like him to remain here and continue to develop. It's way too early to write him off.

TheNetsFan · Post #2129 » by **TheNetsFan** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:07 pm

Paradise wrote:Lol You think the Nets are moving a Top 3 Pick (22 Years Old) we acquired for Lopez (never was supposed to happen) because we haven’t seen him reach superstar levels within 1 season which technically was half a season?
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There's a price for everyone. If Marks gets his price on any player, that player will be moved. The Celtics have exactly 0 players remaining from 4 years ago, exactly 1 player (Smart who was available for trade at the deadline) remaining from 3 years ago (2014-2015), and 2 players remaining from just 2 years ago (Smart & Rozier). Any time we can trade up in talent and/or gain flexibility, we will do it. It doesn't matter who that player is.

shakendfries · Post #2130 » by **shakendfries** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:52 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:
Paradise wrote:Lol You think the Nets are moving a Top 3 Pick (22 Years Old) we acquired for Lopez (never was supposed to happen) because we haven’t seen him reach superstar levels within 1 season which technically was half a season?
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There's a price for everyone. If Marks gets his price on any player, that player will be moved. The Celtics have exactly 0 players remaining from 4 years ago, exactly 1 player (Smart who was available for trade at the deadline) remaining from 3 years ago (2014-2015), and 2 players remaining from just 2 years ago (Smart & Rozier). Any time we can trade up in talent and/or gain flexibility, we will do it. It doesn't matter who that player is.

yeah we're gonna flip dlo for a 15th pick that's maybe be half as good so we can build around dinwiddie :roll:

you're buggin, especially given this draft class is largely awful

Paradise · Post #2131 » by **Paradise** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:49 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:
Paradise wrote:Lol You think the Nets are moving a Top 3 Pick (22 Years Old) we acquired for Lopez (never was supposed to happen) because we haven’t seen him reach superstar levels within 1 season which technically was half a season?
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There's a price for everyone. If Marks gets his price on any player, that player will be moved. The Celtics have exactly 0 players remaining from 4 years ago, exactly 1 player (Smart who was available for trade at the deadline) remaining from 3 years ago (2014-2015), and 2 players remaining from just 2 years ago (Smart & Rozier). Any time we can trade up in talent and/or gain flexibility, we will do it. It doesn't matter who that player is.

Of course, there’s always a price. Somebody like an all-star or Top 3 Pick would get that conversation started.

Dealing Russell for anyone below value at this point would be deemed foolish by all and rightfully so. He’s still got the most upside out of half of the guards in the draft and the next draft. He’s still averaged a terrific stat line for his age and of course, his D is his biggest issue but he’s actually improved here compared to last season defensively...

Especially, considering he hasn’t even had a full season here and he hasn’t even spent a whole off-season here under this regime.

Okafor is likely to return despite his short sint. So, why would Russell go anywhere? We’re still devoid of high end talent and he’s still a high end talent even if he’s flawed.

Prokorov · Post #2132 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:11 pm

shakendfries wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:
Paradise wrote:Lol You think the Nets are moving a Top 3 Pick (22 Years Old) we acquired for Lopez (never was supposed to happen) because we haven’t seen him reach superstar levels within 1 season which technically was half a season?
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There's a price for everyone. If Marks gets his price on any player, that player will be moved. The Celtics have exactly 0 players remaining from 4 years ago, exactly 1 player (Smart who was available for trade at the deadline) remaining from 3 years ago (2014-2015), and 2 players remaining from just 2 years ago (Smart & Rozier). Any time we can trade up in talent and/or gain flexibility, we will do it. It doesn't matter who that player is.

yeah we're gonna flip dlo for a 15th pick that's maybe be half as good so we can build around dinwiddie you're buggin, especially given this draft class is largely awful

it would be a wise move to do so. the alternative is a maxed out 25 win team with little talent. im fine with dlo at his current cost. but a max extension is coming

Prokorov · Post #2133 » by **Prokorov** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:11 pm

Paradise wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:
Paradise wrote:Lol You think the Nets are moving a Top 3 Pick (22 Years Old) we acquired for Lopez (never was supposed to happen) because we haven’t seen him reach superstar levels within 1 season which technically was half a season?
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There's a price for everyone. If Marks gets his price on any player, that player will be moved. The Celtics have exactly 0 players remaining from 4 years ago, exactly 1 player (Smart who was available for trade at the deadline) remaining from 3 years ago (2014-2015), and 2 players remaining from just 2 years ago (Smart & Rozier). Any time we can trade up in talent and/or gain flexibility, we will do it. It doesn't matter who that player is.

Of course, there’s always a price. Somebody like an all-star or Top 3 Pick would get that conversation started.

Dealing Russell for anyone below value at this point would be deemed foolish by all and rightfully so. He’s still got the most upside out of half of the guards in the draft and the next draft. He’s still averaged a terrific stat line for his age and of course, his D is his biggest issue but he’s actually improved here compared to last season defensively...

Especially, considering he hasn’t even had a full season here and he hasn’t even spent a whole off-season here under this regime.

Okafor is likely to return despite his short sint. So, why would Russell go anywhere? We’re still devoid of high end talent and he’s still a high end talent even if he’s flawed.

because we have to pay him. and likely pay him the max

shakendfries · Post #2134 » by **shakendfries** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:38 pm

Prokorov wrote:
shakendfries wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:There's a price for everyone. If Marks gets his price on any player, that player will be moved. The Celtics have exactly 0 players remaining from 4 years ago, exactly 1 player (Smart who was available for trade at the deadline) remaining from 3 years ago (2014-2015), and 2 players remaining from just 2 years ago (Smart & Rozier). Any time we can trade up in talent and/or gain flexibility, we will do it. It doesn't matter who that player is.

yeah we're gonna flip dlo for a 15th pick that's maybe be half as good so we can build around dinwiddie you're buggin, especially given this draft class is largely awful

it would be a wise move to do so. the alternative is a maxed out 25 win team with little talent. im fine with dlo at his current cost. but a max extension is coming

all Marks has to do to change the expectations Nets players & agents have on the contracts Marks is signing them to is to trade Crabbe

MrDollarBills · Post #2135 » by **MrDollarBills** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 5:41 pm

I don't think he's getting a max extension from us or anyone if he doesn't have an uptick in efficiency and consistency between now and when its time to hit the negotiating table.

TheNetsFan · Post #2136 » by **TheNetsFan** » Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:13 pm

shakendfries wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:
Paradise wrote:Lol You think the Nets are moving a Top 3 Pick (22 Years Old) we acquired for Lopez (never was supposed to happen) because we haven’t seen him reach superstar levels within 1 season which technically was half a season?
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There's a price for everyone. If Marks gets his price on any player, that player will be moved. The Celtics have exactly 0 players remaining from 4 years ago, exactly 1 player (Smart who was available for trade at the deadline) remaining from 3 years ago (2014-2015), and 2 players remaining from just 2 years ago (Smart & Rozier). Any time we can trade up in talent and/or gain flexibility, we will do it. It doesn't matter who that player is.

yeah we're gonna flip dlo for a 15th pick that's maybe be half as good so we can build around dinwiddie you're buggin, especially given this draft class is largely awful

Would I flip him for the 15th pick? No. Do I think Marks would? No. I'm on record saying it would require a top 10 pick for DLo, but I would take both #15 & #16 from Phoenix, since that could get us into the top 10.

Paradise · Post #2137 » by **Paradise** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:56 am

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MrDollarBills · Post #2138 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:41 am

Paradise wrote:

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The high IQ on these passes.

he needs to play like this every night. then i'll believe he can play PG full time. he played calm, cool and methodical. if he can do that consistently he will make everyone on this roster 10x better.

Claud · Post #2139 » by **Claud** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:54 am

Dlo's going to be in BK for a while.

Very unique talent.

TheNetsFan · Post #2140 » by **TheNetsFan** » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:16 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Paradise wrote:

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The high IQ on these passes.

he needs to play like this every night. then i'll believe he can play PG full time. he played calm, cool and methodical. if he can do that consistently he will make everyone on this roster 10x better.

It's going to be frustrating at times. He sees high reward passes & threads the needle to make them. There will be times where he'll have a high number of turnovers, but the good will outweigh the bad.