Should Billy King be fired?

[N Ireland Nets]

People saying that Brooklyn isn't an attractive prospect for free agents with an entirely empty cap are wrong, imo.

The Nets have a lot of things going for them. The biggest obstacles between the Nets and signing top level talent as free agents is our coaching situation.

Proky is committing another $50m to make a state of the art practise facility in Brooklyn. Everyone knows that Proky is willing to spend whatever it takes to win and that makes a huge difference. That is extremely enticing to players, such as Durant, who had to sit by and watch as OKC traded away a superstar and weakened a potential long term contender, just because they refuse to go into the lux tax.

Prokhorov has already confidently admitted that a top star has admitted privately he would like to sign with Brooklyn. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand who that is.

But to say nobody would be wanting to sign for Brooklyn in 2016 is wrong imo.

Jersey Generals is bang on for my money. You try to compete every year and if there are assets to be gained through trades you do it.

Move expiring contracts for more assets with all eyes on 2016. Who knows, with certain moves we could potentially even have space in 2015 for a free agent with lots of cap space in 2016 for another top signing 2016.

We really need a top savvy GM to manage our team and make smart moves going forward.

Also as bad as Kidd has been, if we refuse to fire him and keep him, he might develop as coach. Who knows if by 2016 if he is still around he might turn into a decent coach.

So in short, we need a new GM to help right the ship and make the correct moves. Also we need a well regarded and good coach to lead the team long term.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Because we can't DO THAT. Don't you get it?

Blowing things up right now does nothing except Boston and Atlanta get better? Why would we do that? You want to see us give up top 5 picks for the next 5 years? That is the most painful thing I could think of.

it is clearly you that "dont get it" if you think that blowing things up does nothing but help boston/atlanta. We would be able to get a pick or two and shed a ton of salary. that does a whole lot more then "nothing"

-we'd gain draft picks we dont have allowing us to draft rookies
-we'd gain the ability to include a draft pick in a trade if we wished since we would have some in consecutive years
-we'd potentially be able to use the full MLE, depending on who we moved
-we'd have more felxibility in the walk years for the top 2016 free agents, giving us a chance to trade for them before they hit the open market, using cap space and picks we obtained

You CANNOT rebuild without draft picks. Its impossible.

how many draft picks did the heat use build their team? How many did the lakers use? both those teams traded/signed stars. their main assets were market and cap space.

Nobody is giving up any real assets for Deron Williams or injured Lopez, or Pierce, Its simply not happening. We are not getting a lottery pick for them. And with Billy King's skills, it makes it even more unlikely.

we dont need a lottery pick. getting cap space and protected/mid to late firsts would be a great move for those players. anytime you can get out of 3-4 year 40-70 million dollar contracts its an enormous move for you.

I would rather keep D-Will/Lopez and lose in the 1st/2nd round then suck badly, and see our picks go to Atlanta and Boston.

1) its not lock we even make the playoffs with dwill/lopez. we suck pretty bad WITH those guys, and 1 is out for the year and has no shot of playing.

2) our picks go to atlanta/boston either way. and they are likely lottery picks or mid first round picks with or without dwill.

3) this team is NOT winning a playoff series with dwill and lopez and to suggest such is possible is simply giant homerism at its best.

So we give up Deron Williams and Lopez and in return get back mediocre players and perhaps a late first rounder or two.

While forcing us to become a terrible team and give up top 5 picks to Boston/Atlanta? That helps us?

The Lakers pretty much DRAFTED Kobe. The Heat DRAFTED Wade. Then after those stars were there, they got other ones to come.

Who did we draft? Brook Lopez?

Give me a break. And the fact that you are comparing our management to that of the Heat or Lakers is laughable. We are not even in the same league as those two.

Nobody builds their team from absolute scratch. You have to make the foundation yourself. The Celtics drafted Pierce. The Mavs drafted Dirk. Spurs drafted Duncan. I can go on and on.

Its ridiculous to me how you think late first rounders and cap space are worth being the absolute joke of the league. I do not want to see the top young prospects of the league taken with our draft picks go to Boston/Atlanta for the next few years. There is no value in that.

We can still make some noise with D-Will/Lopez as our core. This year aside, last year we were awfully close. I still think we can be a 50 win team in the next few years if we play our cards right.

And that is way more preferable then sucking and seeing our picks go to other teams, for some first round draft picks and cap space.

[Prokorov]

So we give up Deron Williams and Lopez and in return get back mediocre players and perhaps a late first rounder or two.

While forcing us to become a terrible team and give up top 5 picks to Boston/Atlanta? That helps us?

We are already a bad team and we are already going to give good picks to boston/atlanta. which again, is irrelevant anyway. We need to worry about making ourselves better, not keep all this salary and push off getting assets because we want to prevent others from getting good.

also, the goal wouldnt be to get back mediocure players. it would be about getting cap space, which is extremely valuable, as well as picks, which even if they are mid/protected would be big for us since we dont have any. which also impacts your trade flexibility. we'd gain that flexibility back as well.

Cap space + picks > Staying locked in to overpaid players and maybe lowering atlanta's pick a few spots

The Lakers pretty much DRAFTED Kobe. The Heat DRAFTED Wade. Then after those stars were there, they got other ones to come.

The heat were able to get lebron and bosh because they were able to clear the cap space. having wade helped, but the cap space to be able to have 2-3 max players was the big one.

The lakers were able to get gasol because 1) they were a big market and 2) they had the cap space and salary exemptions to send back in return. having kobe helped, but gasol wasnt a FA. he needed to be traded their and the lakers would not have been able to do so otherwise.

Its ridiculous to me how you think late first rounders and cap space are worth being the absolute joke of the league. I do not want to see the top young prospects of the league taken with our draft picks go to Boston/Atlanta for the next few years. There is no value in that.

maybe you missed it, but we currently are the absolute joke of the league. we are what, 11-21 with our best player out for the year and no assets to speak of. atlanta is getting a great pick from us regardless. we would be smart to get some assets of our own isntead of worrying about them. the only riddiculous thing would to be sitting here with dwill/jj/lopez all making the max while we STILL gift atlanta a lottery pick.

We can still make some noise with D-Will/Lopez as our core. This year aside, last year we were awfully close. I still think we can be a 50 win team in the next few years if we play our cards right.

Last year? you mean when we absolutely got dominated by .500+ competition and got bounced off our home floor in the first round by a team super injured and missing its best player? umm... no. you arent going anywhere with dwill/lopez as your best player... especially a hobbled lopez

And that is way more preferable then sucking and seeing our picks go to other teams, for some first round draft picks and cap space.

you are speaking like a bitter fan and not like a GM. which is understandable since there is alot to be bitter about. but if you would prefer the nets stay terrible longer to make the hawks pick as low as possible, well that just isnt smart business. Atlanta is getting that pick, and its likely lottery no matter what.

also, i wouldnt rule out the notion we sell off Dwill/Lopez/pierce and get BETTER this season. if we could land asik and get some athletes we'd have as good a shot at the 8 seed as we have now.

and what exactly is your plan again? oh yea keep this craptastic team of overpaid players together. hope to steal the 8 seed every year, and then in 2018 draft a superstar(because of course we are going to be lucky in the lottery and of course there will be a superstar there for us to take) and i mean sure nothing could derail that plan considering its ONLY 4 years away.

but hey, its worth waiting 4-5 season, bouncing between lottery and the 8 seed, all so that the hawks dont get a great pick this season. Brilliant!

[therealbig3]

Well...we're still only 2 games back of a playoff spot, even at 11-21. So, no, we're not guaranteed to still send a lotto pick towards Atlanta. We still have talent, and we just had "turnaround" kind of win against OKC. If we can sustain that kind of effort for the rest of the year, we can absolutely turn this season around.

In fact, look at the difference between Atlanta and us. 7 games. With 50 games left. That's not an insurmountable difference either.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Well...we're still only 2 games back of a playoff spot, even at 11-21. So, no, we're not guaranteed to still send a lotto pick towards Atlanta. We still have talent, and we just had "turnaround" kind of win against OKC. If we can sustain that kind of effort for the rest of the year, we can absolutely turn this season around.

In fact, look at the difference between Atlanta and us. 7 games. With 50 games left. That's not an insurmountable difference either.

Especially since Horford was just injured.

They could absolutely free fall.

[Hello Brooklyn]

We are already a bad team and we are already going to give good picks to boston/atlanta. which again, is irrelevant anyway. We need to worry about making ourselves better, not keep all this salary and push off getting assets because we want to prevent others from getting good.

also, the goal wouldnt be to get back mediocure players. it would be about getting cap space, which is extremely valuable, as well as picks, which even if they are mid/protected would be big for us since we dont have any. which also impacts your trade flexibility. we'd gain that flexibility back as well.

Cap space + picks > Staying locked in to overpaid players and maybe lowering atlanta's pick a few spots

Were not a bad team. Were a good team playing bad. You need to calm your tits. Were not even half way through the season. A lot could change. Turnarounds happen a lot.

All we know now is that were not title contenders. But could we end up with a 3-5 seed? Its absolutely still possible.

Again, I don't know why you value cap space so much. Cap space means NOTHING without talent. Do you remember what happened the last time we had cap space?



COMPLETE DISASTER.

The heat were able to get lebron and bosh because they were able to clear the cap space. having wade helped, but the cap space to be able to have 2-3 max players was the big one.

The lakers were able to get gasol because 1) they were a big market and 2) they had the cap space and salary exemptions to send back in return. having kobe helped, but gasol wasnt a FA. he needed to be traded their and the lakers would not have been able to do so otherwise.

LOL and LOL. The Heat got Lebron because of Wade and Riley. The cap space was there but that was not the reason. The REASON they got those two was because of Dwayne Wade. You take Wade off, and those two don't even think about coming to Miami and playing with Michael Beasly.

By every account, it was Wade who convinced Lebron to come to South Beach.

The Lakers were able to contend with Gasol because they DRAFTED Kobe Bryant. Without Kobe they are going nowhere. And thats a fact.

maybe you missed it, but we currently are the absolute joke of the league. we are what, 11-21 with our best player out for the year and no assets to speak of. atlanta is getting a great pick from us regardless. we would be smart to get some assets of our own isntead of worrying about them. the only riddiculous thing would to be sitting here with dwill/jj/lopez all making the max while we STILL gift atlanta a lottery pick.

Oh please. This is nothing. Wait till we are getting number 2 picks on a regular basis and seeing them go to Atlanta. Just imagine how awful that will be.

Stop acting like it will definitely be a lottery pick. We are two games out of the playoffs. Calm your ball sack.

Last year? you mean when we absolutely got dominated by .500+ competition and got bounced off our home floor in the first round by a team super injured and missing its best player? umm... no. you arent going anywhere with dwill/lopez as your best player... especially a hobbled lopez

Who cares? Rather have a decent and competitive team than a terrible team with no draft picks. Having your team suck without draft picks is literally the worst thing in the world. What is the point?

We are not gonna have a significant amount of cap space. Nobody is taking Joe Johnson. Get that fantasy out of your mind. And no I am not getting all giddy over late first round draft picks. Not worth having a terrible team for all these years.

you are speaking like a bitter fan and not like a GM. which is understandable since there is alot to be bitter about. but if you would prefer the nets stay terrible longer to make the hawks pick as low as possible, well that just isnt smart business. Atlanta is getting that pick, and its likely lottery no matter what.

also, i wouldnt rule out the notion we sell off Dwill/Lopez/pierce and get BETTER this season. if we could land asik and get some athletes we'd have as good a shot at the 8 seed as we have now.

That is exactly what you are speaking like. "Oh this team is terrible Trade everyone."

Thats not how it works. You want the Nets to ensure they are terrible for the next few years by trading all of our best players for what?

One or two late first rounders? The pipe dream that Kevin Durant will sign here?

We have made our bed, and we have to lay in it. There is no advantage to being a terrible team, if we don't have our own draft picks.

and what exactly is your plan again? oh yea keep this craptastic team of overpaid players together. hope to steal the 8 seed every year, and then in 2018 draft a superstar(because of course we are going to be lucky in the lottery and of course there will be a superstar there for us to take) and i mean sure nothing could derail that plan considering its ONLY 4 years away.

but hey, its worth waiting 4-5 season, bouncing between lottery and the 8 seed, all so that the hawks dont get a great pick this season. Brilliant!

I would rather try and make the playoffs then wait on the side and see all our lottery picks go to Atlanta. And pray by some miracle that Druant or Love will sign to a **** team. At least try and stay respectable.

You may scoff at the example of drafting a superstar. But you can't find me one example in the last 10 years of a team winning a championship without drafting a superstar first. And you know it.

[Paradise]

Were not a bad team. Were a good team playing bad. You need to calm your tits. Were not even half way through the season. A lot could change. Turnarounds happen a lot.

All we know now is that were not title contenders. But could we end up with a 3-5 seed? Its absolutely still possible.

Again, I don't know why you value cap space so much. Cap space means NOTHING without talent. Do you remember what happened the last time we had cap space?



COMPLETE DISASTER.

What does that have to do with anything? That was a different situation than 2015/2016.

-The Nets were not in New York and were not a popular franchise/brand as they are right now.
-The Nets were coming off a 12-70 season.
-It was widely reported Dwight, Carmelo did want to play in Brooklyn but not want to stay 2 years in NJ. So, I'd imagine that goes for every other FA in 2010.
-Aside from Morrow, there was better players available and the Nets settled to sign scrubs. That has nothing to do with cap space and more to do with poor management.

In 2011

And part of that thinking stressed by Nets general manager Billy King yesterday could involve either Dallas center Tyson Chandler or Denver’s Nene.

“There’s mutual interest,” one source close to the situation with Chandler said last night while another described the two-way interest as “strong.”
But Nene remains the Nets’ preferred target at forward

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/nets/net ... &FEEDNAME=

Billy King offered 60-65 million to Nene and Nene signed a 65 million dollar extension with Denver while Chandler moved on to the Knicks. The Nets also wanted David West and he ended up signing with Indy. We ended up re-signing Hump, signing Stevenson, trading for Okur and other scrubs throughout the season.

If you sign Chandler or West. You don't have to rush to trade your draft picks to prove to Deron that you are committed to winning. You still will be a very solid team in case Lopez breaks his foot in that hindsight scenario and you don't have to rush to trade for Joe Johnson or Gerald Wallace to keep Deron away from looking to leave which means you could have acquired Dwight Howard and dumped Chandler elsewhere with preserving those assets.

You can't blame idiocy on cap space.

[therealbig3]

We moved on from Nene and Chandler because we wanted to acquire Dwight Howard. That was our focus from the summer of 2011 to the summer of 2012. Nene and Chandler were backup plans, and when the Dwightmare happened, they moved on, because we didn't want to commit to one of them while Howard was a possibility.

[MrDollarBills]

How'd that work out, eh?

**** this guy

[Paradise]

We moved on from Nene and Chandler because we wanted to acquire Dwight Howard. That was our focus from the summer of 2011 to the summer of 2012. Nene and Chandler were backup plans, and when the Dwightmare happened, they moved on, because we didn't want to commit to one of them while Howard was a possibility.

But the hilarious thing is we would have traded Lopez anyhow, so we could have signed West or Nene at PF and had assets to still get Howard. Best case scenario.

[DarkXaero]

We moved on from Nene and Chandler because we wanted to acquire Dwight Howard. That was our focus from the summer of 2011 to the summer of 2012. Nene and Chandler were backup plans, and when the Dwightmare happened, they moved on, because we didn't want to commit to one of them while Howard was a possibility.

True but I doubt we would have been able to sign Chandler anyway. From what I recall, both Warriors and obviously Knicks were interested him. I don't see how we would have been a more attractive destination for him. Probably would have been able to sign Nene but he ends up being a bad contract due to injuries and his contract amount.

[Hello Brooklyn]

What does that have to do with anything? That was a different situation than 2015/2016.

-The Nets were not in New York and were not a popular franchise/brand as they are right now.
-The Nets were coming off a 12-70 season.
-It was widely reported Dwight, Carmelo did want to play in Brooklyn but not want to stay 2 years in NJ. So, I'd imagine that goes for every other FA in 2010.
-Aside from Morrow, there was better players available and the Nets settled to sign scrubs. That has nothing to do with cap space and more to do with poor management.

In 2011

Who cares?

It has everything to do with everything. Having a lot of cap space does not mean anything with a terrible team and management. I could care less where you play.

What did that get the Knicks? A rejection from Joe Johnson and a max contract to Amare?

Billy King offered 60-65 million to Nene and Nene signed a 65 million dollar extension with Denver while Chandler moved on to the Knicks. The Nets also wanted David West and he ended up signing with Indy. We ended up re-signing Hump, signing Stevenson, trading for Okur and other scrubs throughout the season.

If you sign Chandler or West. You don't have to rush to trade your draft picks to prove to Deron that you are committed to winning. You still will be a very solid team in case Lopez breaks his foot in that hindsight scenario and you don't have to rush to trade for Joe Johnson or Gerald Wallace to keep Deron away from looking to leave which means you could have acquired Dwight Howard and dumped Chandler elsewhere with preserving those assets.

Who cares?

They didn't come here. For a reason! We sucked.

[MrDollarBills]

Who cares?

They didn't come here. For a reason! We sucked.

Not much has changed.

[Prokorov]

What does that have to do with anything? That was a different situation than 2015/2016.

-The Nets were not in New York and were not a popular franchise/brand as they are right now.
-The Nets were coming off a 12-70 season.
-It was widely reported Dwight, Carmelo did want to play in Brooklyn but not want to stay 2 years in NJ. So, I'd imagine that goes for every other FA in 2010.
-Aside from Morrow, there was better players available and the Nets settled to sign scrubs. That has nothing to do with cap space and more to do with poor management.

In 2011

Who cares?

It has everything to do with everything. Having a lot of cap space does not mean anything with a terrible team and management. I could care less where you play.

What did that get the Knicks? A rejection from Joe Johnson and a max contract to Amare?

Billy King offered 60-65 million to Nene and Nene signed a 65 million dollar extension with Denver while Chandler moved on to the Knicks. The Nets also wanted David West and he ended up signing with Indy. We ended up re-signing Hump, signing Stevenson, trading for Okur and other scrubs throughout the season.

If you sign Chandler or West. You don't have to rush to trade your draft picks to prove to Deron that you are committed to winning. You still will be a very solid team in case Lopez breaks his foot in that hindsight scenario and you don't have to rush to trade for Joe Johnson or Gerald Wallace to keep Deron away from looking to leave which means you could have acquired Dwight Howard and dumped Chandler elsewhere with preserving those assets.

Who cares?

They didn't come here. For a reason! We sucked.

Cap space changes everything. and your team doesnt suck when you have 0 player under contract. your are a blank slate and you can let that star free agent have imput on how to build a team around him. its the most attractive thing you can have as a free agent

A big market team with a clear cap to max you and your buddies out.

[kerry kittles]

YES

[Bro Johnson]

Of course he should be fired. Really the only thing King does well is draft - too bad he has a fetish for trading away draft picks...

[Hello Brooklyn]

I like looking back at this thread and seeing how Prokhorov thought we would be an 8 seed last year, and needed to blow up everything. LOL.

I was right then, and Im right now. Stay competitive and try and lure better players here. That our only option.

[JoseRizal]

Fire his @ss...

[Ricepilar]

I didn't read any of these posts but Billy King should most definitely be fired. Also, fire him from his next job while you're at it.


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[MrDollarBills]

LOL @ this thread.