Why Teletovic should start for Brooklyn

Ronito · Post #221 » by **Ronito** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:56 am

Mirza shouldn't start. Hump should.

But Evans knows where the bodybags are so PJ is forced to play him.

Post #222 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:45 am

Evans must've been the first on the Nets to threaten to choke him. That's why he's starting.

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PetroNet · Post #223 » by **PetroNet** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:36 pm

Ronito wrote:Mirza shouldn't start. Hump should.

But Evans knows where the bodybags are so PJ is forced to play him.

im kind of on board with this. mirza is great and spaces the floor, but i think every one here SUPER over rates how important that is. i think just having someone who isnt a complete 0 (evans) is important, but dont think we really need a 3 point specialist at PF to make the offense work. heck it works great at times even with reggie being a knucklehead zero out there.

i think give hump big minutes for a stretch of games. like 30mpg and see how he responds to it. then go with reggie or mirza for the other 18 based on who has it going (reggie as an energy or mirza if he is got from 3).

I really didnt think mirza could make us worse defensively. but recently(and its a small sample so we might be able to throw it out) but he really has the last few games. i think his best bet might be playing the 5 in a group we go small with. he seems to struggle with 4's, especailly quicker ones.

when mirza is hitting his shots its all gravy. he moves the ball extremely well. but when the shot isnt falling im not sure a solid passing floor spacers who hurts a bit on defense and is missing shots isnt a better option to hump/blatche/wallace or even evans at times

hopefully he picks it up

N Ireland Nets · Post #224 » by **N Ireland Nets** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:24 pm

PetroNet wrote:
Ronito wrote:Mirza shouldn't start. Hump should.

But Evans knows where the bodybags are so PJ is forced to play him.

im kind of on board with this. mirza is great and spaces the floor, but i think every one here SUPER over rates how important that is. i think just having someone who isnt a complete 0 (evans) is important, but dont think we really need a 3 point specialist at PF to make the offense work. heck it works great at times even with reggie being a knucklehead zero out there.

i think give hump big minutes for a stretch of games. like 30mpg and see how he responds to it. then go with reggie or mirza for the other 18 based on who has it going (reggie as an energy or mirza if he is got from 3).

I really didnt think mirza could make us worse defensively. but recently(and its a small sample so we might be able to throw it out) but he really has the last few games. i think his best bet might be playing the 5 in a group we go small with. he seems to struggle with 4's, especailly quicker ones.

when mirza is hitting his shots its all gravy. he moves the ball extremely well. but when the shot isnt falling im not sure a solid passing floor spacers who hurts a bit on defense and is missing shots isnt a better option to hump/blatche/wallace or even evans at times

hopefully he picks it up

I believe our big man rotation should be made up of Lopez, Blatche, Hump and Teletovic. I'd keep Evans in reserve for energy minutes or if players aren't bothering to box out or chase boards we bring in Reggie like a rocket up their arse.

PF: Blatche (Starter) 22mins, Hump 14mins, Teletovic 10mins
C: Lopez (Starter) 35mins, Blatche 13mins

I'd be really happy with those rotations and depending on how the guys are actually doing, say Hump is doing really well, he starts to eat into Tele's minutes for the game and vice versa. If Teletovic's shot is dropping and we're not struggling on the defensive side of the floor we let him eat into Humps mins.

I think a Lopez, Blatche, Hump and Tele big man rotation actually is a solid group which does a lot of different things. Hump is the rebounding energy/hustle guy, Tele to stretch the floor and hit some shots, Blatche to cover 2 positions to a decent standard and an all star 7 foot center.

You've even got Wallace as a small ball option that we have rarely if ever tried to use. It's something we need to look at because it could easily be our strongest lineup with Williams, Bogans, Johnson, Wallace & Lopez on the floor.

vincecarter4pres · Post #225 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:58 pm

Eh, Blatche is still a relatively inefficient scorer who wrestles with constant bouts of odd decision making, there's no way he should be out there for 35 minutes a game IMO.

Also, although on one hand I like the idea he starts, he's also our backup center and he should be. In order for that to continue while he's starting it means pulling Lopez very early in the first on a nightly basis, or pulling him very early. It could certainly work, especially with our depth, which would be just that if utilized properly, but I'm still not sure with the rest of the guys we have if I'd go that route.

Well, I guess you could pull Blatche early most nights, like 5 minute mark and then bring him back at the 10 when you pull Lopez, but then I feel like you're really sticking yourself in a box and/or forcing yourself to play certain guys at certain times no matter the flow of the game.

Thinking this over again, personally I'd probably go on average:

PF: Hump 17/Blatche 14/Tele 11/Evans 8
C: Lopez 36/Blatche 14

I'm putting it at 50 minutes a game to account for overtimes and occasional DNP's for either Tele or Evans.

If you want to just do it by a proper 48, take a minute away from Evans at the 4 and a minute away from your choice of Hump or Tele and take a minute from each Lopez and Blatche at the 5.

MGrand15 · Post #226 » by **MGrand15** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:18 pm

Honestly, the best way to do it is run a 3 man rotation of Lopez, Blatche, Mirza. Reggie getting spot minutes when we need energy. Spacing is much improved. Our all-star gets to play even if our backup C is playing well. Blatche's rebounding makes up for Mirza and Lopez's weakness.

The only adjustment I'd make it play Crash at 4 depending on matchups (in spot situations) but a 3-big rotation is what most good teams do anyway. It also keeps our offense at a high level no matter what combo is playing.

vincecarter4pres · Post #227 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:36 pm

I like Mirza a lot for the long term and love him for the now as a spark/6xth man type, but he isn't ready for the big minutes of a 3 man rotation and that also means you're again overextending Blatche.

Blatche shouldn't average more then say 28mpg. He can play 30 something once in a blue depending on actual in game action, but on average to remain effective he should be in the 22 to 28mpg range.

DarkXaero · Post #228 » by **DarkXaero** » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:53 pm

I don't know why Gerald Wallace is being overlooked as an option at the 4 spot, especially considering he isn't getting full minutes right now (because of lackluster production). But playing at the 4 can possibly be the only way Gerald Wallace can be useful right now.

I agree that Mirza isn't ready for heavy minutes right now, because he hasn't impressed much since becoming the first PF off the bench (although it's still not bad). Personally, I think that Mirza just doesn't play that well with our second unit, when Marshon, CJ, Blatche or JJ are hogging the ball. They hardly get him the ball in the right spots, and he gets very few meaningful touches. I think he is much better utilized when he gets to play with Deron and Brook.

therealbig3 · Post #229 » by **therealbig3** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:36 am

I think if Tele actually gets minutes with Deron, he'd look so much better. It's very obvious that D-Will is a fan of Mirza's game and he's always looking for him on that PnP as well. I think D-Will knows better than anyone, after playing with Okur and Boozer in Utah, what a stretch big can do for an offense. Playing Tele with the bench is undoubtedly going to result in lackluster production, because Watson is ok, but he's not the passer that D-WIll is, and he doesn't have the IQ that D-Will has. And Tele must have banged Marshon's girl or something, because Marshon does not pass to Tele, at all. Even when he's wide open.

DWILLoftheGODZ · Post #230 » by **DWILLoftheGODZ** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:23 am

therealbig3 wrote:I think if Tele actually gets minutes with Deron, he'd look so much better. It's very obvious that D-Will is a fan of Mirza's game and he's always looking for him on that PnP as well. I think D-Will knows better than anyone, after playing with Okur and Boozer in Utah, what a stretch big can do for an offense. Playing Tele with the bench is undoubtedly going to result in lackluster production, because Watson is ok, but he's not the passer that D-WIll is, and he doesn't have the IQ that D-Will has. And Tele must have banged Marshon's girl or something, because Marshon does not pass to Tele, at all. Even when he's wide open.

Mirza has been getting minutes with Deron and the rest of the starters. He still sucks though and he isnt getting better.

7 games into March and Mirza is getting 16 minutes a game. What is he doing with this time that everyone was so sure he would shine in when he got more consistent minutes?

34.3% FG
31.3% 3pt

B-U-S-T

Jersey Generals · Post #231 » by **Jersey Generals** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 3:06 am

Dirk Nowitzki shot .206 from three his rookie year. He was a bust too, I think.

celestine · Post #232 » by **celestine** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:22 am

Here's sugestion...

At the end of season, put Mirza #1 on trade list, why?

Obviously he didn't fullfil expectations of the Nets, management, team players, coach, fans and like DWILL mentioned, he's not worth 3 million/year... 8-)

If there would be any chance to trade him to Spurs, it would be great... :wink:

Keith Van Horn · Post #233 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:34 am

I wouldn't mind shipping out Tele with Lopez if we got a return like Love or Aldridge.

N Ireland Nets · Post #234 » by **N Ireland Nets** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 1:12 pm

celestine wrote:Here's sugestion...

At the end of season, put Mirza #1 on trade list, why?

Obviously he didn't fullfil expectations of the Nets, management, team players, coach, fans and like DWILL mentioned, he's not worth 3 million/year...

If there would be any chance to trade him to Spurs, it would be great...

By all accounts the Spurs went hard after Tele and Toko at the deadline.

MGrand15 · Post #235 » by **MGrand15** » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:36 pm

Welp. PJ is talking about giving Hump minutes which means he's going to show management Mirza's shooting stats and say he didn't play well.

We may be playing with the only coach in 2013 who has no regard for spacing. His OKC teams say it all.

DWILLoftheGODZ · Post #236 » by **DWILLoftheGODZ** » Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:20 pm

Jersey Generals wrote:Dirk Nowitzki shot .206 from three his rookie year. He was a bust too, I think.

Pretty sure he wasnt 27 going on 28

PetroNet · Post #237 » by **PetroNet** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 7:28 pm

MGrand15 wrote:Welp. PJ is talking about giving Hump minutes which means he's going to show management Mirza's shooting stats and say he didn't play well.

We may be playing with the only coach in 2013 who has no regard for spacing. His OKC teams say it all.

Well, in his defense, mirza really hasnt played well, on either end, since getting more consistent playing time. not to say he cant play better, and cant improve or whatever. but he has been really underwhelming and not taken advantage of the opportunity.

also, I will say it again, spacing isnt a big issue. execution is. penetration is. we have had monster offensive spurts with wallace and evans on the floor together. those guys dont look like nearly as big an issue now that dwill is rejuvinated and getting into the lane. too much iso is a much bigger issue then spacing.

M I K E · Post #238 » by **M I K E** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:06 pm

The simple fact is that Nets do not need what Teletovic can supply...As long as Deron and Lopez can keep scoring big we might have a chance come playoff time especially considering the competition we probably will be facing...Teletovic was a big time scorer over in Europe with plenty of minutes and shots at his disposal and with Deron, JJ and Lopez in the starting lineup we don't need another scorer...Since Deron and JJ usually play 40 minutes and now with Lopez and Blatche getting more minutes Mirza is odd man out.

IMO with Deron playing so much better lately and scoring more points probably is the biggest reason Mirza is not needed as much now...Add in Lopez putting up big numbers and all of a sudden scoring is not as big an issue as it was before the all-star break.

Mirza will get minutes but I doubt he will be getting more than a handful unless something changes like an injury or a prolonged scoring slump by the team.

Post #239 » by **NyCeEvO** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:51 pm

DWILLoftheGODZ wrote:
Jersey Generals wrote:Dirk Nowitzki shot .206 from three his rookie year. He was a bust too, I think.

Pretty sure he wasnt 27 going on 28

DWILLoftheGODZ · Post #240 » by **DWILLoftheGODZ** » Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:46 pm

NyCeEvO wrote:
DWILLoftheGODZ wrote:
Jersey Generals wrote:Dirk Nowitzki shot .206 from three his rookie year. He was a bust too, I think.

Pretty sure he wasnt 27 going on 28

Dirk was 20!!!!!! years old as a rookie and shot 40.5%

Mirza is 27 years old and shooting 37.7%

I dont know what planet you and everyone who continue to defend Mirza are from. Even if Mirza was shooting 44-47% he would still be a disappointment because of his D. The fact he cant even hit his shot consistently makes him an absolute BUST. A Waste of 3 mil that could have been used on someone else who could have actually mad this team better.