2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

[steady]

Exactly

Reddick is not worth Alan Crabbe money at his age

[brook]

I'm okay with 2 year at nearly max for Redick or Iguodala, but 4 years is too much.
What about Manu Ginobili for 1 year?

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[brook]

Also I'd prefer 3 years of Millsap at max.

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[Rockice_24]

Hard pass on Muhammad Prok is 100% right.

JJ is an elite shooter so its hard to say no for 3 year deal but the minutes are going to be hard to spread out unless you are cutting out Dinwiddie or going small with guys like IW and JJ at the SF.

I completely trust in Marks and if we landed JJ it would help on and off the court which I'm all for but I still want Porter/Green more so we can stick a more traditional lineup.

[Rockice_24]

Hou is trying to dump Anderson who could be a nice fit but they really don't have anything I'd want to take on his contract. I dont think they can trade their 1st since they didnt have one this year and even so thats probably not enough.

[Mosdefinition]

Exactly

Reddick is not worth Alan Crabbe money at his age

To be fair Allen Crabbe isn't worth Allen Crabbe money

In sports your with what sometimes willing to pay you

If they go after Reddick it means they are trying to make the playoffs

[Paradise]

LeVert was literally one of the best defenders on the team, what were you watching?

Lin, LeVert, RHJ were going hard defensively once they started together. LeVert is a high IQ defender imo. He opts to force guys into bad shots and is excellent in the passing lanes. Very active hands with long arms. His feet constantly move.

I did not advocate benching Lin with my comment, btw. I want Lin/Russell starting. period.

we watched the same game, but we definitely have different eyes and understanding of the game... the mistakes and lapses LeVert made on defense were blatant and very rookish... he has the potential to be a good defender, but he is not there yet..

I'm not saying he didn't make errors. we were the worst team in basketball last year, everyone f'd up along the way. I'm saying that he was overall one of the better defenders on the team.

You seem to have an issue with young players making mistakes. I don't. I don't expect finished products right away. what I expect, no matter what though, is effort. LeVert put that forth.

A rookie that looked...rookish.


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[Keith Van Horn]

Hou is trying to dump Anderson who could be a nice fit but they really don't have anything I'd want to take on his contract. I dont think they can trade their 1st since they didnt have one this year and even so thats probably not enough.

anderson for Booker would be best fit, but yeah, they need to package considerable picks.

Let's wait until the Chris Paul to Houston rumors really pick up.

[Keith Van Horn]

So Wall said something to the extent of wanting Paul George b/c they need a third player. If I were Otto Porter, I'd take that as major disrespect. I know he's a RFA, but I'd be praying the Wiz wouldn't match any offer sheets.

[Prokorov]

You guys know that Redick is 33 right? In 4 years he'll be 37. Not a good investment at 17-20M a year imo.

its a great investment. thats 4 years of helping develop these young guys and helping evolve an offense reliant on three point shooting. creating elite space for our young big duo (RHJ/Allen) to operate with and get easy buckets.

We saw last year how it was difficult to take this offense to the heights needed without great shooting/spacing. reddick would change all of that

you think JJ can still be a contributor at age 37 making 20 mil for that season?

yes... but i dont think it matters so much since he our rebuild will be nearing its end and he will be phased out

[Prokorov]

Hou is trying to dump Anderson who could be a nice fit but they really don't have anything I'd want to take on his contract. I dont think they can trade their 1st since they didnt have one this year and even so thats probably not enough.

I hate the fit for anderson even though i love the guy and he was one of my favorite nets of that era...

-terrible terrible defense. worse then brook and approaching bargani levels (statistically not hyperbole)
-Poor rebounder. worse then RHJ and almost as bad as brook
-terrible contract. people hate mozgovs deal anderson makes 6M more then h e does.

i dont love the fit. i get he shoots. i still dont see spacing as an issue and if it is i think reddick helps spacing more without taking your best defender off the floor (RHJ)

[Karate Diop]

Hou is trying to dump Anderson who could be a nice fit but they really don't have anything I'd want to take on his contract. I dont think they can trade their 1st since they didnt have one this year and even so thats probably not enough.

anderson for Booker would be best fit, but yeah, they need to package considerable picks.

Let's wait until the Chris Paul to Houston rumors really pick up.

Any deal for Anderson would have to start with Nicholson going out.

I wouldn't commit 51+ million a year, for the next THREE years, to the combination of Mozgov, Anderson, Nicholson.

[steady]

Hou is trying to dump Anderson who could be a nice fit but they really don't have anything I'd want to take on his contract. I dont think they can trade their 1st since they didnt have one this year and even so thats probably not enough.

I hate the fit for anderson even though i love the guy and he was one of my favorite nets of that era...

-terrible terrible defense. worse then brook and approaching bargani levels (statistically not hyperbole)
-Poor rebounder. worse then RHJ and almost as bad as brook
-terrible contract. people hate mozgovs deal anderson makes 6M more then h e does.

i dont love the fit. i get he shoots. i still dont see spacing as an issue and if it is i think reddick helps spacing more without taking your best defender off the floor (RHJ)

Anderson is 29, and at $20 mill a year his contract is upper range of what Reddick is asking. And only three years left. And he would probably get packaged with a pick because HOU is desperate to clear cap space.

I like Reddick better for locker room and as mentor but I like Ryan Anderson'/s position. age and deal (bc he probably come w pick) better.

[Prokorov]

Exactly

Reddick is not worth Alan Crabbe money at his age

To be fair Allen Crabbe isn't worth Allen Crabbe money

In sports your with what sometimes willing to pay you

If they go after Reddick it means they are trying to make the playoffs

i disagree. i think reddick is a move tailored towards developing young guys and more importantly helping evolve this offense. its hard to really build continuity and consistency in an offense without guys who can make the machine run smoothly.

we were top 3 in 3PA and near the bottom in percentage. reddick helps the offense function as it should allowing guys to run it the way it needs to and to create the space and respect it needs.

teams are scrambling to trap or jump the first offball screen because they are scared of our shooters. the motion offense we run is set into motion this way nearly every possession:

got o the 1:08 mark

Watch on YouTube

-Lin passes to the point who swing to the opposite wing
-Lin screens for the SG who then comess off a second screen from the big at the top of the key.

when your SG is foye, levert, bogs or some ok shooter the D is going to fight through and hedge.

when your SG is reddick they are going to have to switch it,jump it, or trap it.

thats an ENORMOUS difference. and thats not something your getting from ryan anderson. few SGs can hit threes at an elite level coming off of off-ball screens. reddick is one.

think about the mismatches that creates, the opening for cuts that creates, the space that creates.

[Prokorov]

So Wall said something to the extent of wanting Paul George b/c they need a third player. If I were Otto Porter, I'd take that as major disrespect. I know he's a RFA, but I'd be praying the Wiz wouldn't match any offer sheets.

how is it disrespecting a 3rd/4th wheel role player that your teammates want to bring in a superstar?

[Keith Van Horn]

So Wall said something to the extent of wanting Paul George b/c they need a third player. If I were Otto Porter, I'd take that as major disrespect. I know he's a RFA, but I'd be praying the Wiz wouldn't match any offer sheets.

how is it disrespecting a 3rd/4th wheel role player that your teammates want to bring in a superstar?

Bc Porter is going to receive a max deal. Roundabout way I think he's saying don't tie money up in this guy when he thinks they can get George. That's how I read into it.

Honestly I think Washington would do well to pursue Melo as more realistic option than George.


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[Mkdaman1818]

So Wall said something to the extent of wanting Paul George b/c they need a third player. If I were Otto Porter, I'd take that as major disrespect. I know he's a RFA, but I'd be praying the Wiz wouldn't match any offer sheets.

how is it disrespecting a 3rd/4th wheel role player that your teammates want to bring in a superstar?

Bc Porter is going to receive a max deal. Roundabout way I think he's saying don't tie money up in this guy when he thinks they can get George. That's how I read into it.

Honestly I think Washington would do well to pursue Melo as more realistic option than George.


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Now that Phil is gone, Melo is probably staying in Manhattan

[TinmanZBoy]

we watched the same game, but we definitely have different eyes and understanding of the game... the mistakes and lapses LeVert made on defense were blatant and very rookish... he has the potential to be a good defender, but he is not there yet..

I'm not saying he didn't make errors. we were the worst team in basketball last year, everyone f'd up along the way. I'm saying that he was overall one of the better defenders on the team.

You seem to have an issue with young players making mistakes. I don't. I don't expect finished products right away. what I expect, no matter what though, is effort. LeVert put that forth.

A rookie that looked...rookish.


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so what's your point? good potential does not mean you are already a good one, right? there are growing pains...

[Prokorov]

So Wall said something to the extent of wanting Paul George b/c they need a third player. If I were Otto Porter, I'd take that as major disrespect. I know he's a RFA, but I'd be praying the Wiz wouldn't match any offer sheets.

how is it disrespecting a 3rd/4th wheel role player that your teammates want to bring in a superstar?

Bc Porter is going to receive a max deal. Roundabout way I think he's saying don't tie money up in this guy when he thinks they can get George. That's how I read into it.

Honestly I think Washington would do well to pursue Melo as more realistic option than George.


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the wizards dont have the cap room for george with or without porter.

if they renounce porter they have 8 million or so in cap. if they match an offer on porter they have MLE which is 8-9 million.

even if george took a massive discount they dont have close to the money

to get george they would need to trade beal or sign and trade porter

[Prokorov]

Hou is trying to dump Anderson who could be a nice fit but they really don't have anything I'd want to take on his contract. I dont think they can trade their 1st since they didnt have one this year and even so thats probably not enough.

I hate the fit for anderson even though i love the guy and he was one of my favorite nets of that era...

-terrible terrible defense. worse then brook and approaching bargani levels (statistically not hyperbole)
-Poor rebounder. worse then RHJ and almost as bad as brook
-terrible contract. people hate mozgovs deal anderson makes 6M more then h e does.

i dont love the fit. i get he shoots. i still dont see spacing as an issue and if it is i think reddick helps spacing more without taking your best defender off the floor (RHJ)

Anderson is 29, and at $20 mill a year his contract is upper range of what Reddick is asking. And only three years left. And he would probably get packaged with a pick because HOU is desperate to clear cap space.

I like Reddick better for locker room and as mentor but I like Ryan Anderson'/s position. age and deal (bc he probably come w pick) better.

ryan anderson is not near the player JJ reddick is. id rather reddick then anderson plus a pick...

i want no part of anderson