GT: Nets @ Bucks - Sunday, 05/02/21 | 3:30pm EST | ABC & Yes 2

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[Prokorov]

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KD/Kyrie have it right. Credit to the bucks but really, we just need to focus on cleaning up turnovers and if we get those same looks again its a wrap. 0.0% chance Giannis is better then Joe Harris on uncontested threes more then once in a 7 game series.

Nash needs a reality check. Yeah the gameplan was fine but you made 0 adjustments. stop pretending your popovich or beyond criticism... because you kind of suck at in-game coaching

[MGrand15]

I thought the gameplan and all that was fine. We had a ton of unforced TOs. Giannis hit 4 3s and 10 jumpers total. Kyrie couldn't hit anything. Joe Harris struggled bad. Our roleplayers outside of Blake and Shamet struggled. That was the game.

I don't mind not doubling Giannis too much. The thing with him is you need to force jumpers and foul him at the rim. He got way too many layups. DJ giving up 40 points and only picking up 1 foul is unacceptable. A game like this - he should've went to the line 12+ times.

This was probably the most I've seen the offense struggle. The stars kind of sensed it and it turned into an iso fest. It's fine - that's gonna happen with good defenses but the role players need to be more solid.

[Prokorov]

I thought the gameplan and all that was fine. We had a ton of unforced TOs. Giannis hit 4 3s and 10 jumpers total. Kyrie couldn't hit anything. Joe Harris struggled bad. Our roleplayers outside of Blake and Shamet struggled. That was the game.

I don't mind not doubling Giannis too much. The thing with him is you need to force jumpers and foul him at the rim. He got way too many layups. DJ giving up 40 points and only picking up 1 foul is unacceptable. A game like this - he should've went to the line 12+ times.

This was probably the most I've seen the offense struggle. The stars kind of sensed it and it turned into an iso fest. It's fine - that's gonna happen with good defenses but the role players need to be more solid.

I mean, you are spot on, so not saying you are wrong. but i wouldnt quite say our offense "Struggled"

We scored 114 points on 43/41/88 on 96 shots. it wasnt our best output. it wasnt our best shooting. turnovers were sloppy. but i wouldnt see we struggled. i look at like the toronto game we lost as struggling.

I think that if we take those same shots 10 games in a row we hit significantly more of them 7 or 8 times. we got the shots we wanted. we got to the FT line less, but regs called it loose.

[MGrand15]

I thought the gameplan and all that was fine. We had a ton of unforced TOs. Giannis hit 4 3s and 10 jumpers total. Kyrie couldn't hit anything. Joe Harris struggled bad. Our roleplayers outside of Blake and Shamet struggled. That was the game.

I don't mind not doubling Giannis too much. The thing with him is you need to force jumpers and foul him at the rim. He got way too many layups. DJ giving up 40 points and only picking up 1 foul is unacceptable. A game like this - he should've went to the line 12+ times.

This was probably the most I've seen the offense struggle. The stars kind of sensed it and it turned into an iso fest. It's fine - that's gonna happen with good defenses but the role players need to be more solid.

I mean, you are spot on, so not saying you are wrong. but i wouldnt quite say our offense "Struggled"

We scored 114 points on 43/41/88 on 96 shots. it wasnt our best output. it wasnt our best shooting. turnovers were sloppy. but i wouldnt see we struggled. i look at like the toronto game we lost as struggling.

I think that if we take those same shots 10 games in a row we hit significantly more of them 7 or 8 times. we got the shots we wanted. we got to the FT line less, but regs called it loose.

Yeah, when I say struggled, I mean more how the offense looked. We couldn't get into our normal stuff and KD basically bailed us out by being ridiculous. It felt like the ball movement was way down and we let Milwaukee take everything away. We still scored a ton cause we're just that good. We did get a lot of good looks though so maybe 'struggled' is too strong of a word. The team just didn't look comfortable.

[Sharcm1]

Game plan was fine, execution was not.

See, this is where we disagree.

The "game plan" cannot be some static, unchanging thing for all 48 minutes. Opposing players and coaches adjust to your approach, and you have to be agile enough to counter that adjustment with one of your own. This is why no matter what garbage the Raptors throw out on the court, they will always give us fits, because they thrive on making in-game adjustments to beat their opponents.

Steve usually comes with the appropriate pre-game strategy. But when the other coach figures out the strategy, if they make one tweak at normally don't counter that adjustment. We just hope to ride out our original strategy. DJ on Giannis worked wonders in the first matchup this season, because Budenholzer never adjusted. They were ready for that look this time, and we had no answer.

Steve's game plan was not good, because it didn't evolve when the in-game situation necessitated adjustment.

Steve went away from Jordan and went with Griffin, which kept us in the game. Can you be more specific about what he failed to do?

He failed to do it earlier. Giannis already had 40 points by then.

[Sharcm1]

Giannis is a two time mvp player. His shooting isn’t his best attribute but he’s still an mvp player. Leaving him wide open all game isn’t what you do for an mvp player. And he perfectly capable of shooting threes. And mid ranged. It’s not like he is shaq and can’t hit them.

[Prokorov]

Giannis is a two time mvp player. His shooting isn’t his best attribute but he’s still an mvp player. Leaving him wide open all game isn’t what you do for an mvp player. And he perfectly capable of shooting threes. And mid ranged. It’s not like he is shaq and can’t hit them.

He kind of is though...

29.8% on "wide open threes" (No defender within 6 feet)
32.4% on "wide open twos:
68% Free Throws

[Hello Brooklyn]

A lot of you guys are overreacting here.

Nash's game plan was correct. He wanted to force Giannis to shoot.

Somehow that man shot 50% on 3 pointers, made 4 of them, and went on to score a career high.

Would I bet on him shooting like that again? No.

If he becomes an elite 3 point shooter, Giannis will be the best player in the history of the NBA. But he won't.

[Hello Brooklyn]

It's hard to watch Kyrie right now. As a fan, I don't really care what he chooses to do in his personal life, but when I see him on the court, I expect a star-level performance out of him more often than not. If his play is so significantly affected by fasting (understandable), then he needs to choose whether or not this is something he can continue to do moving forward, or if he maybe just needs to take time off for Ramadan.

Because then we have to temper expectations. We don't have two superstars right now. We have 1 superstar, and a bunch of role players. Because that's what Kyrie is during Ramadan. He's Lou Williams. Except Lou Williams shoots a lot better at this point.

In which case, maybe Kyrie should stop forcing things so much, since that's actively hurting us, when a guy that can't hit shots is shooting so many shots. A lot of these are shots he can make in his sleep when he's right, but he's clearly not right.

Youre so dramatic. Its so easy to blame a bad game on Kyries fasting.

Where was this energy the Suns game, the Raptors game of the Pelicans game where he was fasting as well?

Player go through slumps all the time. Hes still had some really good games.

Either way Ramadan is over in a week so everything will be fine.

[Prokorov]

It's hard to watch Kyrie right now. As a fan, I don't really care what he chooses to do in his personal life, but when I see him on the court, I expect a star-level performance out of him more often than not.

You are Gettng that more often then not... by a wide margin. He' been a 1st/2nd Al-NBA type performer this year

If his play is so significantly affected by fasting (understandable), then he needs to choose whether or not this is something he can continue to do moving forward, or if he maybe just needs to take time off for Ramadan. Because then we have to temper expectations. We don't have two superstars right now. We have 1 superstar, and a bunch of role players. Because that's what Kyrie is during Ramadan. He's Lou Williams. Except Lou Williams shoots a lot better at this point.

The Lou Williams version of Kyrie is still better then the alternative (TLC? 35 minutes of Tyler Johnson?)

In which case, maybe Kyrie should stop forcing things so much, since that's actively hurting us, when a guy that can't hit shots is shooting so many shots. A lot of these are shots he can make in his sleep when he's right, but he's clearly not right.

Kyrie being "off" is still like league average efficiency and offense creation. It is better then him sitting out.

[MrDollarBills]

A lot of you guys are overreacting here.

Nash's game plan was correct. He wanted to force Giannis to shoot.

Somehow that man shot 50% on 3 pointers, made 4 of them, and went on to score a career high.

Would I bet on him shooting like that again? No.

If he becomes an elite 3 point shooter, Giannis will be the best player in the history of the NBA. But he won't.

Yep. Give him the open three, and contest the long two. What you do not do is allow him to get a full head of steam to attack the rim.

If KD and Kyrie don't turn the ball over 9 times and if Harris actually showed up that game was easily a victory. It took them a 40 point outburst from Giannis to win on a last second KD miss from three. The game plan was fine.

[Prokorov]

A lot of you guys are overreacting here.

Nash's game plan was correct. He wanted to force Giannis to shoot.

Somehow that man shot 50% on 3 pointers, made 4 of them, and went on to score a career high.

Would I bet on him shooting like that again? No.

If he becomes an elite 3 point shooter, Giannis will be the best player in the history of the NBA. But he won't.

Yep. Give him the open three, and contest the long two. What you do not do is allow him to get a full head of steam to attack the rim.

If KD and Kyrie don't turn the ball over 9 times and if Harris actually showed up that game was easily a victory. It took them a 40 point outburst from Giannis to win on a last second KD miss from three. The game plan was fine.

Gameplan was fine. Use it again tommorow. The loss is not on Nash.

That said, you need to make adjustments. It isnt expected for Giannis to hit 11 jumpers. (6 in a row at one point) But if he does, you need to do something to break his Rythm. use 1 or 2 possesions to double him at halfcourt to give it up. get up on him once and foul him to send him to the line on 1 possession. get super agressive reach on the ball to try and get a steal. if you foul so be it.

Cant just watch and throw your arms up and be like "well its rare he would hit this many shots"

in a 1 possession game, small adjustments matter.

[MrDollarBills]

A lot of you guys are overreacting here.

Nash's game plan was correct. He wanted to force Giannis to shoot.

Somehow that man shot 50% on 3 pointers, made 4 of them, and went on to score a career high.

Would I bet on him shooting like that again? No.

If he becomes an elite 3 point shooter, Giannis will be the best player in the history of the NBA. But he won't.

Yep. Give him the open three, and contest the long two. What you do not do is allow him to get a full head of steam to attack the rim.

If KD and Kyrie don't turn the ball over 9 times and if Harris actually showed up that game was easily a victory. It took them a 40 point outburst from Giannis to win on a last second KD miss from three. The game plan was fine.

Gameplan was fine. Use it again tommorow. The loss is not on Nash.

That said, you need to make adjustments. It isnt expected for Giannis to hit 11 jumpers. (6 in a row at one point) But if he does, you need to do something to break his Rythm. use 1 or 2 possesions to double him at halfcourt to give it up. get up on him once and foul him to send him to the line on 1 possession. get super agressive reach on the ball to try and get a steal. if you foul so be it.

Cant just watch and throw your arms up and be like "well its rare he would hit this many shots"

in a 1 possession game, small adjustments matter.

Green and Griffin had it right. You get a hand up on the long two, do not fall for pump fakes. If Giannis wants to sit back there again tomorrow night and jack up 8-10 threes, be my guest. I'll play the percentages.

But I think we should definitely mix up looks. Sometimes we need to come with a hard double team, and more times than not we need to deliver someone physical defensive plays in the paint. I'm not saying hurt the guy, but get him on the line and make him earn it. He's a 68% FT shooter, he's not going to be knocking down all of his FTAs.

[Claud]

We lost because of turnovers. How many bad turnovers did we have?

Not to mention our shooters were off minus KD. Bucks had Giannis/Middleton/Forbes/Holiday cookin all game long and still only beat us by 3.

I think Bucks played near perfect game and barely beat us on an off night. I doubt Giannis hits that many jumpers next game.

GG to Bucks and Giannis they had a great game.

[Lamak]

someone will have to step up and defend star wings in the playoffs (green, griffin, jordan, kd)

[ecuhus1981]

Food for thought, hot out of the youtube oven:

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While I do not agree with all of his assertions, the primary point stands. Nash is an excellent coach outside of the game, he has kept this unit together and fighting amid all kinds of adversity. But when the ball is tipped, he looks like an in-game liability in the postseason. Think about the other coaches that are going to face us, and their strategic acumen. Steve is out of his depth, and needs to have heart-to-heart with himself very soon. He has drafted on the greatness of his players in late game situations, but his x's and o's aren't always as sharp as they need to be to grind out close wins.

[gigantes]

Food for thought, hot out of the youtube oven:

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After listening to him open the v-blog with a deal of... brand-building I guess it was, I wasn't really too keen on his first point-- that Blake Griffin didn't play enough minutes. I mean yeah, that may be a decent argument I suppose, but not only has it been hashed out plenty in this very thread, but such arguments are amongst the most weak and watery of all sports critique, i.e. that 'someone either played too much or too little.' Just not a great opener for me. Bah.

Anyway, maybe I can still learn something here. Could you tell me what points of his you did agree with, Ecuhus?

TBH, I only catch every 2-3 games, and am simply not sharp enough to spot all the potential things Nash goofs on, aside from sometimes seeming to miss strategic timeout opportunities, especially late in games.

[Prokorov]

someone will have to step up and defend star wings in the playoffs (green, griffin, jordan, kd)

What star wings?

Tobias Harris?
Jaylen Brown?
RJ Barret?
Kevin Huerter?
Miles Bridges?
Middleton?

Butler is the only elite wing. Unless you consider Tatum more of a 3 then a 4, and KD locked up him in the first game

Our defensive issues are more in transition, and a lack of rim protection in 75% of our lineups

[Prokorov]

Food for thought, hot out of the youtube oven:

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While I do not agree with all of his assertions, the primary point stands. Nash is an excellent coach outside of the game, he has kept this unit together and fighting amid all kinds of adversity. But when the ball is tipped, he looks like an in-game liability in the postseason. Think about the other coaches that are going to face us, and their strategic acumen. Steve is out of his depth, and needs to have heart-to-heart with himself very soon. He has drafted on the greatness of his players in late game situations, but his x's and o's aren't always as sharp as they need to be to grind out close wins.

Is this dude my long lost brother?

I've been screaming this from the rooftops since day 1. Outside of injuries, our achillies heel is in-game coaching. Everyone overlooks it because we are winning games and instead of viewing it as greatness (Harden) overcoming bad coaching, its viewed as an overreaction.

There are tons of basic things Nash does do as a coach that are really unforgiveable. Then there are things nash doesnt do that good/great coaches do that are understandable because he isnt a good/great in-game coach.

In a 7 game series vs doc/spo/stevens we are going to see the coaching advantage play some role. how big is yet to be seen.