Going forward to next season and beyond

[ecuhus1981]

My dream scenario this summer would be a double S&T with the Kings for Holmes. In my mind, Holmes is equally impactful but plays a position of need, and he's also not recovering from an injury.

In order for this double S&T to happen, Kings would need to clear up a little salary to sign Holmes in the first place. (Holmes signed a 2 year with Kings so they cannot go over the cap to give him a market value contract)

Why would the Kings do this if they have Fox/Haliburton? Well, they are the Kings and Divac is still running the show there. He would do whatever in his power to put Bagley in a position to not look like a bust. To me that means playing him at center full time.

We can't accept a S&T'd player, that would hard cap us and there is no chance we can get under the luxury tax apron next season.

[DarkXaero]

What do you guys think of Danny Green?

Any chance he would take the MLE? Or does he have too much value?

Hes an NJ kid who could compete for a title and live at home.

If we can somehow pull that off I would trade Harris immediately. And look for more defensive help.

I think Danny Green will get more than the tax payer MLE. But if he's willing to take tax payer MLE, yeah I'd take him. Not the defender or shooter that he used to be but he's still a pretty solid 3&D guy.

[Hello Brooklyn]

What do you guys think of Danny Green?

Any chance he would take the MLE? Or does he have too much value?

Hes an NJ kid who could compete for a title and live at home.

If we can somehow pull that off I would trade Harris immediately. And look for more defensive help.

I think Danny Green will get more than the tax payer MLE. But if he's willing to take tax payer MLE, yeah I'd take him. Not the defender or shooter that he used to be but he's still a pretty solid 3&D guy.

Seems like he wants another 15 mill to stay in Philly.

I guess we have no shot of getting him. Oh well.

[DarkXaero]

Eh, there are multiple hurdles to executing a sign-and-trade with the Clippers.

LAC are already at $148mil in 21-22 salary, and the luxury tax threshold for next season is projected to be $136mil. Bringing in a S&T'd player means that you are "hard-capped" for that active season. You are not allowed to go more than $4mil over the luxury tax threshold, what is called the "apron". That would be $140mil.

So, in order to sign Spencer for a contract stating at, say, $18mil, they would need to drop $26mil in salary somehow. Morris accounts for $16mil, but you would need to add Ibaka without taking any other salary. They also couldn't extend Kawhi or sign their 1st round pick. I see him going to the Clippers via S&T as dang near impossible this offseason.

Now, the Lakers are far more feasible.

I believe you're allowed to go $6 mill over the tax apon, not $4 mill, but otherwise, yes, you're spot on. Clippers are easily the better option for us to send Dinwiddie to, in terms of desirable assets for us, but unfortunately, the S&T hard cap complication makes it basically impossible. This issue is far more manageable for the Lakers like you said, but their assets are trash and personally, I wouldn't want any part of it. We'd be strengthening a rival while getting crap back, at which point, letting Dinwiddie walk for nothing looks like the better option.

I'm still leaning towards the mindset of keeping Dinwiddie (if he's willing to re-sign obviously). It seems incredibly redundant at first but he can easily be a 25+ MPG player in this rotation, and allows us to load manage Kyrie & Harden very effectively. You can slot him in 1-3 in this system (on both ends) with ease. And then of course, down the line, we have the option of trading him if it makes sense.

It depends on the cost. 4/80 id probably sign him and look to trade him by the deadline. You only pay tax on the roster you end the season with, so as long as we offload him, its fine.

but 4/100 or 5/100 would be tough to move and/or get positive value for

Well realistically, I compare Dinwiddie's value to guards like Brogdon and FVV (funny enough, Dinwiddie just did the same comparison on twitter). Brogdon and FVV are both on average salary of $21.25 mill. You can argue both are more proven players than Dinwiddie as well (especially FVV). So they both got a 4 year/$85 mill contract. I'd expect Dinwiddie to get something similar, probably lower than that (due to the injury), unless some team gets desperate.

[Prokorov]

What do you guys think of Danny Green?

Any chance he would take the MLE? Or does he have too much value?

Hes an NJ kid who could compete for a title and live at home.

If we can somehow pull that off I would trade Harris immediately. And look for more defensive help.

I think Danny Green will get more than the tax payer MLE. But if he's willing to take tax payer MLE, yeah I'd take him. Not the defender or shooter that he used to be but he's still a pretty solid 3&D guy.

Seems like he wants another 15 mill to stay in Philly.

I guess we have no shot of getting him. Oh well.

I'm not sure we will use the MLE or the full MLE. I think Marks may be bound to minimums and not adding to what we have here.

[DarkXaero]

Just a random trade idea I had after the Warriors report that they want to trade their lotto picks for a "starting caliber player in their prime". You can ask the question if Joe harris is worth the 14th pick, but I don't think it should be looked at like that, everything should be considered in bigger context here. I think this trade can work for all 3 sides if Raps want to stay committed to rebuild route for another year. Raptors are getting the Warriors 14th pick here, our 27th pick (which can be traded after the selection), and a future lotto protected Warriors pick, along with a much younger Boucher replacement in Nic Claxton. Overall, 3 first round picks (which includes a lotto pick) + a nice prospect (Claxton) is a very good return for OG Anunoby and the expiring contract of Boucher, with the only real cost being taking Wiggins contract here.

Warriors are giving an extra 1st round pick to dump Wiggins contract. Warriors get a starting caliber player in their prime in Joe Harris, who is a fantastic fit next to Steph, Klay, Dray, without giving up their 7th pick in the draft (which they can use to draft a rotation player or trade w/ Wiseman package for another starter). Additionally, by dumping Wiggins salary, and taking far less salary back, Warriors get massive cap relief here, along with a nice trade exception. For the Nets, the answer is pretty obvious here, they get a legitimate two way, 3&D player at wing position, and they also get a really good 3&D option at center with Boucher. Risk is that Boucher can end up being a rental as he is a free agent in 2022, but for a win now team like ours, it makes sense, and he's a fantastic fit (along with OG) for our team. I think this is a trade where all 3 teams benefit well, in regards to their respective team situation.

[haosmoove]

Just a random trade idea I had after the Warriors report that they want to trade their lotto picks for a "starting caliber player in their prime". You can ask the question if Joe harris is worth the 14th pick, but I don't think it should be looked at like that, everything should be considered in bigger context here. I think this trade can work for all 3 sides if Raps want to stay committed to rebuild route for another year. Raptors are getting the Warriors 14th pick here, our 27th pick (which can be traded after the selection), and a future lotto protected Warriors pick, along with a much younger Boucher replacement in Nic Claxton. Overall, 3 first round picks (which includes a lotto pick) + a nice prospect (Claxton) is a very good return for OG Anunoby and the expiring contract of Boucher, with the only real cost being taking Wiggins contract here.

Warriors are giving an extra 1st round pick to dump Wiggins contract. Warriors get a starting caliber player in their prime in Joe Harris, who is a fantastic fit next to Steph, Klay, Dray, without giving up their 7th pick in the draft (which they can use to draft a rotation player or trade w/ Wiseman package for another starter). Additionally, by dumping Wiggins salary, and taking far less salary back, Warriors get massive cap relief here, along with a nice trade exception. For the Nets, the answer is pretty obvious here, they get a legitimate two way, 3&D player at wing position, and they also get a really good 3&D option at center with Boucher. Risk is that Boucher can end up being a rental as he is a free agent in 2022, but for a win now team like ours, it makes sense, and he's a fantastic fit (along with OG) for our team. I think this is a trade where all 3 teams benefit well, in regards to their respective team situation.

No way the Raptors are giving up OG for that package, as long as Masai is calling the shots. OG is on the verge of surpassing Siakam and FVV as their best player, and he's on an affordable long term contract.

[ecuhus1981]

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Anunoby is one of the most overrated players in this board, BUT Toronto would not do this, even if GSW added the 7th pick.

Also, Golden State would much rather have OG, than Joe. I don't think that Brooklyn serves a purpose in this deal, yet somehow manages to end up with the best player in it.

[DarkXaero]

Just a random trade idea I had after the Warriors report that they want to trade their lotto picks for a "starting caliber player in their prime". You can ask the question if Joe harris is worth the 14th pick, but I don't think it should be looked at like that, everything should be considered in bigger context here. I think this trade can work for all 3 sides if Raps want to stay committed to rebuild route for another year. Raptors are getting the Warriors 14th pick here, our 27th pick (which can be traded after the selection), and a future lotto protected Warriors pick, along with a much younger Boucher replacement in Nic Claxton. Overall, 3 first round picks (which includes a lotto pick) + a nice prospect (Claxton) is a very good return for OG Anunoby and the expiring contract of Boucher, with the only real cost being taking Wiggins contract here.

Warriors are giving an extra 1st round pick to dump Wiggins contract. Warriors get a starting caliber player in their prime in Joe Harris, who is a fantastic fit next to Steph, Klay, Dray, without giving up their 7th pick in the draft (which they can use to draft a rotation player or trade w/ Wiseman package for another starter). Additionally, by dumping Wiggins salary, and taking far less salary back, Warriors get massive cap relief here, along with a nice trade exception. For the Nets, the answer is pretty obvious here, they get a legitimate two way, 3&D player at wing position, and they also get a really good 3&D option at center with Boucher. Risk is that Boucher can end up being a rental as he is a free agent in 2022, but for a win now team like ours, it makes sense, and he's a fantastic fit (along with OG) for our team. I think this is a trade where all 3 teams benefit well, in regards to their respective team situation.

No way the Raptors are giving up OG for that package, as long as Masai is calling the shots. OG is on the verge of surpassing Siakam and FVV as their best player, and he's on an affordable long term contract.

I mean Siakam is kinda crap, but ultimately OG is a high end role player, not a star. If 3 picks (including a lotto pick) + Claxton is not enough for OG, then we're talking absurd all star caliber player trade value here.

[DarkXaero]

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Anunoby is one of the most overrated players in this board, BUT Toronto would not do this, even if GSW added the 7th pick.

Also, Golden State would much rather have OG, than Joe. I don't think that Brooklyn serves a purpose in this deal, yet somehow manages to end up with the best player in it.

Two things,

1) Absolutely ridiculous to suggest that Raps still don't do this even if Warriors add the 7th pick OG is a great role player, not an all star, it would be madness to trade the 7th pick in a strong draft for him. The value perception here is similar to Robert Covington last year, who cost 2 lotto protected picks for Portland. OG is more valuable than RoCo, hence higher return here.

2) Sure, GSW might prefer OG over Joe but Nets are giving up extra assets here which allows them to be in the position to get OG here instead. If Warriors wish to cut out Nets out of the deal and get OG themselves, they have to give up more.

[Hello Brooklyn]

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Anunoby is one of the most overrated players in this board, BUT Toronto would not do this, even if GSW added the 7th pick.

Also, Golden State would much rather have OG, than Joe. I don't think that Brooklyn serves a purpose in this deal, yet somehow manages to end up with the best player in it.

Two things,

1) Absolutely ridiculous to suggest that Raps still don't do this even if Warriors add the 7th pick OG is a great role player, not an all star, it would be madness to trade the 7th pick in a strong draft for him. The value perception here is similar to Robert Covington last year, who cost 2 lotto protected picks for Portland. OG is more valuable than RoCo, hence higher return here.

2) Sure, GSW might prefer OG over Joe but Nets are giving up extra assets here which allows them to be in the position to get OG here instead. If Warriors wish to cut out Nets out of the deal and get OG themselves, they have to give up more.

OG is only 24 and getting better every year. I wouldn't trade him for the 7th pick of the draft either.

You realize most of these players end up being busts or role players right? More likely than not that whoever they get at 7 won't be as good as OG.

No way are they trading him for Harris or anything close to it. Try asking Toronto fans for this package and you get laughed out of the room.

[DarkXaero]

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Anunoby is one of the most overrated players in this board, BUT Toronto would not do this, even if GSW added the 7th pick.

Also, Golden State would much rather have OG, than Joe. I don't think that Brooklyn serves a purpose in this deal, yet somehow manages to end up with the best player in it.

Two things,

1) Absolutely ridiculous to suggest that Raps still don't do this even if Warriors add the 7th pick OG is a great role player, not an all star, it would be madness to trade the 7th pick in a strong draft for him. The value perception here is similar to Robert Covington last year, who cost 2 lotto protected picks for Portland. OG is more valuable than RoCo, hence higher return here.

2) Sure, GSW might prefer OG over Joe but Nets are giving up extra assets here which allows them to be in the position to get OG here instead. If Warriors wish to cut out Nets out of the deal and get OG themselves, they have to give up more.

OG is only 24 and getting better every year. I wouldn't trade him for the 7th pick of the draft either.

You realize most of these players end up being busts or role players right? More likely than not that whoever they get at 7 won't be as good as OG.

No way are they trading him for Harris or anything close to it. Try asking Toronto fans for this package and you get laughed out of the room.

OG is good but not that good, you guys are seriously overvaluing the **** out of him and out of your minds if you think the 7th pick for him should be turned down. He doesn't have an all star ceiling at all, he is a very good role player. That's it. This is a stacked draft at the top, and there are plenty of good prospects in the lottery. For a team in rebuild mode, the 7th pick in a good draft is very valuable, it's not about what the outcome usually ends up being. No good FO thinks like that.

And I don't care to ask Toronto fans, they overvalue the **** out of their players, more than other fanbases tend to do. This is the same fanbase that tried to convince GB that Wiseman/7th/14th for Siakam is a laughable offer, I can't ever take them seriously. There's very rarely ever an agreement on a fan presented trade anyways. I would also like to remind you that you constantly argued with me last year that we didn't have enough for a star player trade (among other things that you ended up being wrong on), yet we were able to trade for an MVP candidate caliber player.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Two things,

1) Absolutely ridiculous to suggest that Raps still don't do this even if Warriors add the 7th pick OG is a great role player, not an all star, it would be madness to trade the 7th pick in a strong draft for him. The value perception here is similar to Robert Covington last year, who cost 2 lotto protected picks for Portland. OG is more valuable than RoCo, hence higher return here.

2) Sure, GSW might prefer OG over Joe but Nets are giving up extra assets here which allows them to be in the position to get OG here instead. If Warriors wish to cut out Nets out of the deal and get OG themselves, they have to give up more.

OG is only 24 and getting better every year. I wouldn't trade him for the 7th pick of the draft either.

You realize most of these players end up being busts or role players right? More likely than not that whoever they get at 7 won't be as good as OG.

No way are they trading him for Harris or anything close to it. Try asking Toronto fans for this package and you get laughed out of the room.

OG is good but not that good, you guys are seriously overvaluing the **** out of him and out of your minds if you think the 7th pick for him should be turned down. He doesn't have an all star ceiling at all, he is a very good role player. That's it. This is a stacked draft at the top, and there are plenty of good prospects in the lottery. For a team in rebuild mode, the 7th pick in a good draft is very valuable, it's not about what the outcome usually ends up being. No good FO thinks like that.

And I don't care to ask Toronto fans, they overvalue the **** out of their players, more than other fanbases tend to do. This is the same fanbase that tried to convince GB that Wiseman/7th/14th for Siakam is a laughable offer, I can't ever take them seriously. There's very rarely ever an agreement on a fan presented trade anyways. I would also like to remind you that you constantly argued with me last year that we didn't have enough for a star player trade (among other things that you ended up being wrong on), yet we were able to trade for an MVP candidate caliber player.

Youre overrating the **** out of the 7th pick. Youre overhyping some unnamed player for no reason.

The #7 pick this year in mock drafts is Jalen Johnson. He looks ok. Probably not a star. May not be good as OG.

Why would I want some mid tier lottery pick that youre just assuming will be an All Star? What are the chances of that?

Also funny how you think Raptors opinion doesn't matter in terms of who they will trade. I guarantee you the Raptors front office thinks very highly of OG. Certainly higher than Jalen Johnson.

LOL I never said we couldn't trade for someone. I just said that I wouldn't do it unless it was for a star like Beal. Sorry I didn't want to give up Levert and Allen for Lavine or Oladipo like you guys did.

Also don't pretend like you haven't been wrong on things. You religiously defended Steve Nash the entire season even though he made horrific decisions and was out coached in the playoffs by far.

You are utterly delusional if you think were going to get OG for **** Joe Harris. The man who just choked his brains out.

[DarkXaero]

OG is only 24 and getting better every year. I wouldn't trade him for the 7th pick of the draft either.

You realize most of these players end up being busts or role players right? More likely than not that whoever they get at 7 won't be as good as OG.

No way are they trading him for Harris or anything close to it. Try asking Toronto fans for this package and you get laughed out of the room.

OG is good but not that good, you guys are seriously overvaluing the **** out of him and out of your minds if you think the 7th pick for him should be turned down. He doesn't have an all star ceiling at all, he is a very good role player. That's it. This is a stacked draft at the top, and there are plenty of good prospects in the lottery. For a team in rebuild mode, the 7th pick in a good draft is very valuable, it's not about what the outcome usually ends up being. No good FO thinks like that.

And I don't care to ask Toronto fans, they overvalue the **** out of their players, more than other fanbases tend to do. This is the same fanbase that tried to convince GB that Wiseman/7th/14th for Siakam is a laughable offer, I can't ever take them seriously. There's very rarely ever an agreement on a fan presented trade anyways. I would also like to remind you that you constantly argued with me last year that we didn't have enough for a star player trade (among other things that you ended up being wrong on), yet we were able to trade for an MVP candidate caliber player.

Youre overrating the **** out of the 7th pick. Youre overhyping some unnamed player for no reason.

The #7 pick this year in mock drafts is Jalen Johnson. He looks ok. Probably not a star. May not be good as OG.

Why would I want some mid tier lottery pick that youre just assuming will be an All Star? What are the chances of that?

Also funny how you think Raptors opinion doesn't matter in terms of who they will trade. I guarantee you the Raptors front office thinks very highly of OG. Certainly higher than Jalen Johnson.

LOL I never said we couldn't trade for someone. I just said that I wouldn't do it unless it was for a star like Beal. Sorry I didn't want to give up Levert and Allen for Lavine or Oladipo like you guys did.

Also don't pretend like you haven't been wrong on things. You religiously defended Steve Nash the entire season even though he made horrific decisions and was out coached in the playoffs by far.

You are utterly delusional if you think were going to get OG for **** Joe Harris. The man who just choked his brains out.

Lottery picks in the top 10 are an incredibly valuable asset in the NBA, that's why they don't get traded often, everyone should know this. I'm not overrating it, that is the truth. Especially for a great scouting GM like Masai, a 7th pick is a great opportunity. I never said anything about assuming that 7th pick is an all star, stop making up stuff.

What Raptors FO thinks and what Raps fans think are two entirely different things. If Nets FO felt the same way as Nets fanbase, then they never would have traded for Harden and built around Caris Levert as "third star"

And yes you did repeatedly say that we didn't have enough to trade for a star, especially a superstar like Beal or Harden. I didn't really want to trade for Oladipo back then, so you have the wrong guy here. Before Harden trade request, I was down for Lavine who ended up having his best season yet and made all star team so I don't see how that makes me look bad. I also remember you constantly arguing with me that a big 3 couldn't average nearly 25 PPG each Then we get Harden, and guess what happens, we're breaking records in the post season with most scoring by 3 players

Of course I have been wrong on things, everyone has been at some point. I still defend Steve Nash, and no, I don't believe at all that I've been wrong on him. I think the majority of the posters here are wrong on him, and in all honesty, this is the only section of Nets fans that seem to be really against Nash. I frequent other Nets places (discord, twitter), and the anti-Nash fans seem to be a minority everywhere else. Fans love to think that they know more than people working in the NBA, and sadly this place seems to be suffering from that delusion. That doesn't make me wrong.

And the last part there either tells me that your reading comprehension skills are poor (hopefully not since you're a law student) or that you're deliberating ignoring context here out of pettiness. We're giving up Joe Harris, Nic Claxton, Alize Johnson, and a 1st round pick here, not just Joe Harris, and even then its not a direct trade, its a 3 team trade. The actual return for Raps here are three first round picks (including 14th pick), Nic Claxton (who is worth a 1st round pick himself imo), and Andrew Wiggins.

[Prokorov]

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Anunoby is one of the most overrated players in this board, BUT Toronto would not do this, even if GSW added the 7th pick.

Also, Golden State would much rather have OG, than Joe. I don't think that Brooklyn serves a purpose in this deal, yet somehow manages to end up with the best player in it.

Two things,

1) Absolutely ridiculous to suggest that Raps still don't do this even if Warriors add the 7th pick OG is a great role player, not an all star, it would be madness to trade the 7th pick in a strong draft for him. The value perception here is similar to Robert Covington last year, who cost 2 lotto protected picks for Portland. OG is more valuable than RoCo, hence higher return here.

2) Sure, GSW might prefer OG over Joe but Nets are giving up extra assets here which allows them to be in the position to get OG here instead. If Warriors wish to cut out Nets out of the deal and get OG themselves, they have to give up more.

'Nets give up nothing of real value outside harris, who outside wigging also has the largest deal i believe.

GSW would defintely prefer OG to Joe and i agree with others, 0 shot Raps do this deal even if its #7

[Prokorov]

Two things,

1) Absolutely ridiculous to suggest that Raps still don't do this even if Warriors add the 7th pick OG is a great role player, not an all star, it would be madness to trade the 7th pick in a strong draft for him. The value perception here is similar to Robert Covington last year, who cost 2 lotto protected picks for Portland. OG is more valuable than RoCo, hence higher return here.

2) Sure, GSW might prefer OG over Joe but Nets are giving up extra assets here which allows them to be in the position to get OG here instead. If Warriors wish to cut out Nets out of the deal and get OG themselves, they have to give up more.

OG is only 24 and getting better every year. I wouldn't trade him for the 7th pick of the draft either.

You realize most of these players end up being busts or role players right? More likely than not that whoever they get at 7 won't be as good as OG.

No way are they trading him for Harris or anything close to it. Try asking Toronto fans for this package and you get laughed out of the room.

OG is good but not that good, you guys are seriously overvaluing the **** out of him and out of your minds if you think the 7th pick for him should be turned down. He doesn't have an all star ceiling at all, he is a very good role player. That's it. This is a stacked draft at the top, and there are plenty of good prospects in the lottery. For a team in rebuild mode, the 7th pick in a good draft is very valuable, it's not about what the outcome usually ends up being. No good FO thinks like that.

And I don't care to ask Toronto fans, they overvalue the **** out of their players, more than other fanbases tend to do. This is the same fanbase that tried to convince GB that Wiseman/7th/14th for Siakam is a laughable offer, I can't ever take them seriously. There's very rarely ever an agreement on a fan presented trade anyways. I would also like to remind you that you constantly argued with me last year that we didn't have enough for a star player trade (among other things that you ended up being wrong on), yet we were able to trade for an MVP candidate caliber player.

if toronto wanted a pick around 7, they could get it without giving up OG.

You are over valuing the 7 pick and criminally underrating OG

[DarkXaero]

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Anunoby is one of the most overrated players in this board, BUT Toronto would not do this, even if GSW added the 7th pick.

Also, Golden State would much rather have OG, than Joe. I don't think that Brooklyn serves a purpose in this deal, yet somehow manages to end up with the best player in it.

Two things,

1) Absolutely ridiculous to suggest that Raps still don't do this even if Warriors add the 7th pick OG is a great role player, not an all star, it would be madness to trade the 7th pick in a strong draft for him. The value perception here is similar to Robert Covington last year, who cost 2 lotto protected picks for Portland. OG is more valuable than RoCo, hence higher return here.

2) Sure, GSW might prefer OG over Joe but Nets are giving up extra assets here which allows them to be in the position to get OG here instead. If Warriors wish to cut out Nets out of the deal and get OG themselves, they have to give up more.

'Nets give up nothing of real value outside harris, who outside wigging also has the largest deal i believe.

GSW would defintely prefer OG to Joe and i agree with others, 0 shot Raps do this deal even if its #7

So Claxton and a 1st don't suddenly don't count as assets now? Joe's value is in the gutter around the league because of one awful series?

[DarkXaero]

OG is only 24 and getting better every year. I wouldn't trade him for the 7th pick of the draft either.

You realize most of these players end up being busts or role players right? More likely than not that whoever they get at 7 won't be as good as OG.

No way are they trading him for Harris or anything close to it. Try asking Toronto fans for this package and you get laughed out of the room.

OG is good but not that good, you guys are seriously overvaluing the **** out of him and out of your minds if you think the 7th pick for him should be turned down. He doesn't have an all star ceiling at all, he is a very good role player. That's it. This is a stacked draft at the top, and there are plenty of good prospects in the lottery. For a team in rebuild mode, the 7th pick in a good draft is very valuable, it's not about what the outcome usually ends up being. No good FO thinks like that.

And I don't care to ask Toronto fans, they overvalue the **** out of their players, more than other fanbases tend to do. This is the same fanbase that tried to convince GB that Wiseman/7th/14th for Siakam is a laughable offer, I can't ever take them seriously. There's very rarely ever an agreement on a fan presented trade anyways. I would also like to remind you that you constantly argued with me last year that we didn't have enough for a star player trade (among other things that you ended up being wrong on), yet we were able to trade for an MVP candidate caliber player.

if toronto wanted a pick around 7, they could get it without giving up OG.

You are over valuing the 7 pick and criminally underrating OG

The only other way Raps are getting #7 is either they trade down from 4th or trade Siakam. No one else on the roster has that type of value.

I think you guys are severely overrating OG, and I really like OG as a piece. He's not as impactful of a team defender as Robert Covington, who went for less last year. Advanced metrics don't rate OG as an amazing/impactful role player. OG still obviously has more value than RoCo due to age, better offensive play, but ultimately, he's still a 3&D role guy, not the all star caliber talent that you guys seem to be painting him as (judging by trade value).

[ecuhus1981]

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Look, we can agree to disagree on the granular details of OG's value. The main point is, Toronto already has a top pick, they don't need the #7 or the #14 as another project to develop simultaneously. They are poised to contend if they manage their capspace well, and Anunoby puts them closer to doing that than any rookie. This proposal is DoA, let it go.

[therealbig3]

I wouldn't trade Claxton. I really do think the kid has DPOY potential. I'd actually love to see him get the starting C spot next season.