The KD/Kyrie Era has been a colossal failure

[TheNetsFan]

Which of these packages would you be more interested in for KD?

Boston: Brown + Picks
Toronto: OG + Trent + Picks
Portland: Simons + Sharpe + Picks
Phoenix: Ayton S&T + Picks

Phoenix would need to include at least Bridges, and Toronto would have to offer Barnes or Siakam.

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[vincecarter4pres]

I love how Shams says Irving is bypassing multiple opt-in and trades, and Woj is saying he couldn't find a S&T.

So the answer probably lies somewhere in between.

Probably no one was willing to S&T because of hard cap implications and light returns for Brooklyn.

Probably the only teams willing to opt-in and trade with returns the Nets liked, were locations Kyrie hated.

Tbh, the more and more I read stuff and thought about this the last couple days, especially today, the more this seems like it's been premeditated for awhile on Kyrie's side of things and it isn't completely the money, he just wanted to bitchass his way out of BK specifically to LA, preferably the Lakers side, and he wildly overplayed his hand, and here we are.

[MrDollarBills]

I love how Shams says Irving is bypassing multiple opt-in and trades, and Woj is saying he couldn't find a S&T.

So the answer probably lies somewhere in between.

Probably no one was willing to S&T because of hard cap implications and light returns for Brooklyn.

Probably the only teams willing to opt-in and trade with returns the Nets liked, were locations Kyrie hated.

Tbh, the more and more I read stuff and thought about this the last couple days, especially today, the more this seems like it's been premeditated for awhile on Kyrie's side of things and it isn't completely the money, he just wanted to bitchass his way out of BK specifically to LA, preferably the Lakers side, and he wildly overplayed his hand, and here we are.

Some friend Kyrie is huh? He was about to leave KD hanging out to dry.

Anyway, the circus continues.

[vincecarter4pres]

I love how Shams says Irving is bypassing multiple opt-in and trades, and Woj is saying he couldn't find a S&T.

So the answer probably lies somewhere in between.

Probably no one was willing to S&T because of hard cap implications and light returns for Brooklyn.

Probably the only teams willing to opt-in and trade with returns the Nets liked, were locations Kyrie hated.

Tbh, the more and more I read stuff and thought about this the last couple days, especially today, the more this seems like it's been premeditated for awhile on Kyrie's side of things and it isn't completely the money, he just wanted to bitchass his way out of BK specifically to LA, preferably the Lakers side, and he wildly overplayed his hand, and here we are.

Some friend Kyrie is huh? He was about to leave KD hanging out to dry.

Anyway, the circus continues.

Yeah, real piece of **** tbh.

And then you have KD, who supposedly didn't have a sitdown with Kyrie. And I mean, I get it. From someone such as myself, who although is outspoken and opinionated, but is simultaneously non-confrontational, until I'm pushed to be aggressively confrontational and all in your personal space, I know how it can be. But at the same time, he's so passive-aggressive, which almost never favors a good outcome and shelters you from all the blame internally, looking for a scapegoat, just a bad look overall.

We're all left to ponder how it plays out from here, but even if successful, this is going to be a hella awkward season lol.

[Whiskey Slick]

Now that he's in the last year of his contract and actually showing up to play games matters a great deal to his future earning potential, don't be surprised if Kyrie suddenly finds every reason to suit up for all 82+ Games.

IOW's the complete opposite of his behavior heretofore.

[gigantes]

Now that he's in the last year of his contract and actually showing up to play games matters a great deal to his future earning potential, don't be surprised if Kyrie suddenly finds every reason to suit up for all 82+ Games.

IOW's the complete opposite of his behavior heretofore.

I'd be surprised, since he's always getting injured. For his career he's averaged 56 games a season, with 75 being his max back in '14-'15.

He's also going to be 31 before next offseason begins. It's hard for me to see many teams offering him nearly what he thinks he's going to be worth, and I don't know if the Nets are going to be able to get anything at all for him if they hang on to him through the end of next season.

Kyrie's done so much damage to his reputation through the years, in so many ways, that I think he's permanently compromised his money-earning value. Even Nike fired him recently, from what I understand.

[MrDollarBills]

Now that he's in the last year of his contract and actually showing up to play games matters a great deal to his future earning potential, don't be surprised if Kyrie suddenly finds every reason to suit up for all 82+ Games.

IOW's the complete opposite of his behavior heretofore.

I'd be surprised, since he's always getting injured. For his career he's averaged 56 games a season, with 75 being his max back in '14-'15.

He's also going to be 31 before next offseason begins. It's hard for me to see many teams offering him nearly what he thinks he's going to be worth, and I don't know if the Nets are going to be able to get anything at all for him if they hang on to him through the end of next season.

Kyrie's done so much damage to his reputation through the years, in so many ways, that I think he's permanently compromised his money-earning value. Even Nike fired him recently, from what I understand.

Yeah, he lost his Nike sponsorship. That should tell you a lot.

I saw someone else say this on the GB and i agree, Kyrie is one of the few athletes to come along to completely ruin his reputation without getting in any legal trouble, which is extremely hard to do.

The guy has elite level talent and he couldn't as much as get anyone to take a swing on trading for him outside of the Lakers who are desperate to dump Westbrook.

If this is his last season in the NBA, i wouldn't be shocked.

[MrDollarBills]

I love how Shams says Irving is bypassing multiple opt-in and trades, and Woj is saying he couldn't find a S&T.

So the answer probably lies somewhere in between.

Probably no one was willing to S&T because of hard cap implications and light returns for Brooklyn.

Probably the only teams willing to opt-in and trade with returns the Nets liked, were locations Kyrie hated.

Tbh, the more and more I read stuff and thought about this the last couple days, especially today, the more this seems like it's been premeditated for awhile on Kyrie's side of things and it isn't completely the money, he just wanted to bitchass his way out of BK specifically to LA, preferably the Lakers side, and he wildly overplayed his hand, and here we are.

Some friend Kyrie is huh? He was about to leave KD hanging out to dry.

Anyway, the circus continues.

Yeah, real piece of **** tbh.

And then you have KD, who supposedly didn't have a sitdown with Kyrie. And I mean, I get it. From someone such as myself, who although is outspoken and opinionated, but is simultaneously non-confrontational, until I'm pushed to be aggressively confrontational and all in your personal space, I know how it can be. But at the same time, he's so passive-aggressive, which almost never favors a good outcome and shelters you from all the blame internally, looking for a scapegoat, just a bad look overall.

We're all left to ponder how it plays out from here, but even if successful, this is going to be a hella awkward season lol.

KD is not a leader, i think that much is clear. I fully expect this season to be a sh*t show

[Paradise]

I love how Shams says Irving is bypassing multiple opt-in and trades, and Woj is saying he couldn't find a S&T.

So the answer probably lies somewhere in between.

Probably no one was willing to S&T because of hard cap implications and light returns for Brooklyn.

Probably the only teams willing to opt-in and trade with returns the Nets liked, were locations Kyrie hated.

Tbh, the more and more I read stuff and thought about this the last couple days, especially today, the more this seems like it's been premeditated for awhile on Kyrie's side of things and it isn't completely the money, he just wanted to bitchass his way out of BK specifically to LA, preferably the Lakers side, and he wildly overplayed his hand, and here we are.

Or it was grossly incorrectly reported. Nothing happened here but clicks and ratings for the media to speculate. “KD hasn’t spoken to the front office” um, he never does and got here not speaking to the front office when he made his decision lol

Time will tell but you can’t seriously believe every single damn thing reported here against two guys who the media runs all kind of stories on. There’s more in it for them and why it’s being spun considering the truth is Shams and Woj didn’t know **** as much as they wanted people to believe.

Tbh, it probably would’ve and could’ve went down that way if Kyrie had a real agent instead of putting his aunt in a complicated role and situation.

[Paradise]

I also find it hilarious how everyone thinks a guy on a 4 year deal can just leave in 2 weeks during the off-season because he’s Kevin Durant or Kyrie would take the MLE and avoid $37M.

The media is destroying this sport. That’s not how it works and if KD demanded a trade, it wouldn’t ever play out that way.

Marks can willingly take his time or make a quick trade. Both parties are aware of that. This isn’t anything new under the sun.

[MrDollarBills]

I love how Shams says Irving is bypassing multiple opt-in and trades, and Woj is saying he couldn't find a S&T.

So the answer probably lies somewhere in between.

Probably no one was willing to S&T because of hard cap implications and light returns for Brooklyn.

Probably the only teams willing to opt-in and trade with returns the Nets liked, were locations Kyrie hated.

Tbh, the more and more I read stuff and thought about this the last couple days, especially today, the more this seems like it's been premeditated for awhile on Kyrie's side of things and it isn't completely the money, he just wanted to bitchass his way out of BK specifically to LA, preferably the Lakers side, and he wildly overplayed his hand, and here we are.

Or it was grossly incorrectly reported. Nothing happened here but clicks and ratings for the media to speculate. “KD hasn’t spoken to the front office” um, he never does and got here not speaking to the front office when he made his decision lol

Time will tell but you can’t seriously believe every single damn thing reported here against two guys who the media runs all kind of stories on. There’s more in it for them and why it’s being spun considering the truth is Shams and Woj didn’t know **** as much as they wanted people to believe.

Tbh, it probably would’ve and could’ve went down that way if Kyrie had a real agent instead of putting his aunt in a complicated role and situation.

I dunno, it's pretty well known that Shams is directly plugged in with Kyrie's camp though.

[MrDollarBills]

Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving joined the Brooklyn Nets in 2019 and appear set to remain with the franchise this offseason, albeit with less control than they had previously after Irving was unable to secure a long-term, guaranteed deal.

Irving threatened to leave the Nets if they didn't sign him long-term, but he ultimately decided to opt-in to his $36.5 million contract. Durant appears to have tried to facilitate Irving's leverage by "mulling" his future with the Nets.

"I think Kevin Durant was very loyal to Kyrie Irving through this process," said Adrian Wojnarowski. "Certainly, he wanted to create the idea that if Kyrie Irving walked, Kevin Durant might ask for a trade. In the end, the leveraging on Irving's side just didn't allow for him to get the kind of new deal he wanted.

"Now, Kevin Durant has what he did want: Kyrie Irving back on the Nets for this season. The expectation right now is that Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving will move forward for the Nets on this roster this year. But Kevin Durant hasn't talked yet. He hasn't expressed that publicly. This is the outcome he wanted: Irving back on the Nets."

The Nets appeared to reach a point with Irving where they preferred the scenario of trading away Durant rather than commit long-term to Irving.

Durant is a sucker. Had Irving gotten an offer he would have left KD high and dry.

like him or not, Joe Tsai called their bluff and Kyrie came back with his tail between his legs. I would still quietly field calls for the both of them, because if this becomes the circus that I imagine it will be and we're barely treading water by all star break, I blow this thing apart

[wco81]

I also find it hilarious how everyone thinks a guy on a 4 year deal can just leave in 2 weeks during the off-season because he’s Kevin Durant or Kyrie would take the MLE and avoid $37M.

The media is destroying this sport. That’s not how it works and if KD demanded a trade, it wouldn’t ever play out that way.

Marks can willingly take his time or make a quick trade. Both parties are aware of that. This isn’t anything new under the sun.

He could pull an AD or Kawhi, just not play, to force a trade.

[vincecarter4pres]

I also find it hilarious how everyone thinks a guy on a 4 year deal can just leave in 2 weeks during the off-season because he’s Kevin Durant or Kyrie would take the MLE and avoid $37M.

The media is destroying this sport. That’s not how it works and if KD demanded a trade, it wouldn’t ever play out that way.

Marks can willingly take his time or make a quick trade. Both parties are aware of that. This isn’t anything new under the sun.

He could pull an AD or Kawhi, just not play, to force a trade.

I don't think that's in Durant's DNA, unless Marks tries sending him somewhere really terrible, like the Kings, the Wolves, or Pistons. Or maybe one of the undesirable actual locations or too young situations, such as Indy, Cleveland, Charlotte, Utah, Orlando, OKC, or Houston specifically.

I get you're saying pre-trade to force one, but I'm saying I think it would be a much more amicable split and it won't come to that.

There will be a strong pool of teams who can put together a big time offer, yet still have another star, if not two remain on the roster and some role guys, to be an instant and long term contender.

Teams like Portland, Toronto, Boston, Denver, New Orleans, Chicago, Phoenix, Memphis, and Miami can all put together Godfather packages while still having another straight up star on the roster, a high level supporting cast and not entirely kill their future.

KD is signed for 4 years. I'm not naive, he will have a voice in where he goes, but he cannot simply hand pick his destination as if he only had a year remaining.

[Claud]

Year 1: KD out for season, Kyrie quits on team after minor injury and shuts it down. (Bubble year)

Year 2: KD balls out, Kyrie gets injured by Giannis, Harden being out of shape catches up to him leading to hammy injury.

Year 3: Kyrie doesn't want to get vaxxed and derails our season, Harden gets traded, KD gets shut down by physical Boston D.

Year 4: Ben Simmons Joins, Joe Harris is back, KD/Kyrie have final shot to see if they can at least make an ECF.

My question is, had we kept our previous core (Dlo, Fro, LeVert, Din, etc) do you think we could have done better?

I still think signing KD/Kyrie was the correct move to have our best shot at a title.

KD is an all time great and as enigmatic and unpredictable as he is, Kyrie is still good enough as your 2nd best player to win it all as he's proven it already.

Typical Nets luck that everything went to ****.

Maybe this final year we'll get some luck our way with less injuries/less drama, but doubt it.

[TheNetsFan]

Year 1: KD out for season, Kyrie quits on team after minor injury and shuts it down. (Bubble year)

Year 2: KD balls out, Kyrie gets injured by Giannis, Harden being out of shape catches up to him leading to hammy injury.

Year 3: Kyrie doesn't want to get vaxxed and derails our season, Harden gets traded, KD gets shut down by physical Boston D.

Year 4: Ben Simmons Joins, Joe Harris is back, KD/Kyrie have final shot to see if they can at least make an ECF.

My question is, had we kept our previous core (Dlo, Fro, LeVert, Din, etc) do you think we could have done better?

I still think signing KD/Kyrie was the correct move to have our best shot at a title.

KD is an all time great and as enigmatic and unpredictable as he is, Kyrie is still good enough as your 2nd best player to win it all as he's proven it already.

Typical Nets luck that everything went to ****.

Maybe this final year we'll get some luck our way with less injuries/less drama, but doubt it.

No. The DLo/Allen team overachieved. We'd still be a fringe playoff team. Allen has improved, LeVert, DLo & Dinwiddie have not. Prince was a salary dump.

Marks made the right moves.
When you simplify the 2 Harden trades, we're still better off:
Net outbound picks (1 pick (3 BKN - 2 PHL, max of 3 swaps remaining)
Curry > LeVert
Simmons > Allen
Prince = JAG

Anything we'll get when we finally trade KD & Kyrie should be much better value than DLo & Dinwiddie.

The only thing worth questioning is whether we would have been better off going in a total different direction, trading DLo for Wiggins & a pick plus signing Butler.

[Claud]

We have Philly unprotected 2023 pick + 2027(Top 8 protected pick) which does help to alleviate the lack of picks for sure.

The swaps are annoying still though but on paper HOU should be worse than us.

I agree with everything except Simmons > Fro, that's yet to be decided IMO.

When you look at it in a vacuum, the cost of having multiple year window as a true title contender roster was worth the cost.

Now can we capitilize on this window? I sure hope so.