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Preludepunk27 · Post #221 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:54 am

Personally, I don't live in jersey anymore so I'd be totally fine with them moving to Vancouver or Seattle. I have enjoyed boy cities in the past. It will give me another reason to head back there. As long as we never change the "Nets" name, I honestly don't care at this point. I'm a fan for life.

NetsForce · Post #222 » by **NetsForce** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:03 pm

If the team moves to Seattle they'll definitely end up becoming the Sonics again, if they move to Vancouver their situation is going to be identical to what it is in New Jersey (from both a fan and free agent standpoint).

It's Brooklyn or bust.

Preludepunk27 · Post #223 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:32 pm

Vancouver's fan base actually wasn't that bad. The Grizzlies owner has repeatedly said that he was basically forced by the NBA to move to Memphis. Now nobody shows up to Memphis games. Granted, their management is pretty bad, but Vancouver wasn't so atrocious that they HAD to move. Not as loyal as Toronto fans, but decent.

From a free agent standpoint though, oh yeah totally. What big name player would sign with a canadian team as a UFA?

As much as I giggle about the Nets moving to Seattle, yeah I don't think it would ever happen for the reason NetsForce mentioned. I don't think it's fair to just destroy a teams history (see: OKC). They'll make it to Brooklyn. If Stern was ever "concerned" it could possibly not happen, he'd buy off the courts and get it done within 24 hours and we'd break ground 48 hours after that.

I need September to come though. I need to see this new stadium/complex design!

SteveNets15 · Post #224 » by **SteveNets15** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:57 pm

Prudential Center > Airplane hanger in Crooklyn

Preludepunk27 · Post #225 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:30 pm

stevieboy wrote:Prudential Center > Airplane hanger in Crooklyn

Haha the new version is supposed to look nothing like the initial pictures apparently. I'm intrigued. I'll always give them the benefit of the doubt until I see the final version.

It's funny that so many people are giving this design group crap. If you look at their portfolio, they have designed A LOT of the recently built arenas and most look awesome. Not to mention they built my colleges football stadium. We're D-1AA so it's nothing spectactular, but a lot nicer than some other D-1AA schools I ventured to for road games.

NetsForce · Post #226 » by **NetsForce** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:48 pm

stevieboy wrote:Prudential Center > Airplane hanger in Crooklyn

I don't think the Prudential Center is a viable option for the Nets either. The problem runs deeper than where the Nets play. "Newjerseyans" just don't care about the Nets. I know more New Jersey born individuals who support the Sixers than I know people who support the Nets. The same goes for the Knicks...

If you keep the team in Jersey the same dumbass *****es are going to show up to the game and cheer for the other team. They're going to applaud the team's failures and continue to bring embarrassment to the franchise.

The Nets need an infusion of new fans, and the only way they're going to get that is by moving out of NJ.

hype_2004 · Post #227 » by **hype_2004** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:52 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote:Vancouver's fan base actually wasn't that bad. The Grizzlies owner has repeatedly said that he was basically forced by the NBA to move to Memphis. Now nobody shows up to Memphis games. Granted, their management is pretty bad, but Vancouver wasn't so atrocious that they HAD to move. Not as loyal as Toronto fans, but decent.

From a free agent standpoint though, oh yeah totally. What big name player would sign with a canadian team as a UFA?

As much as I giggle about the Nets moving to Seattle, yeah I don't think it would ever happen for the reason NetsForce mentioned. I don't think it's fair to just destroy a teams history (see: OKC). They'll make it to Brooklyn. If Stern was ever "concerned" it could possibly not happen, he'd buy off the courts and get it done within 24 hours and we'd break ground 48 hours after that.

I need September to come though. I need to see this new stadium/complex design!

What big name FA will sign wit the Nets if they appened to to move to Vancouver? ow about we start wit Yao Ming, a front court of Yao Ming and Yi is unprecedented here we ave 2 of te best Chinese players playing in a World-class Chinese majority city, they will sell out home games drive international revenue up the roof and provide exposure that will benefit Vancouver's local tourism indiustry, the pay-off is huge I mean enormous from revenue and profitability standpoint.

hype_2004 · Post #228 » by **hype_2004** » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:57 pm

NetsForce wrote:
stevieboy wrote:Prudential Center > Airplane hanger in Crooklyn

I don't think the Prudential Center is a viable option for the Nets either. The problem runs deeper than where the Nets play. "Newjerseyans" just don't care about the Nets. I know more New Jersey born individuals who support the Sixers than I know people who support the Nets. The same goes for the Knicks...

If you keep the team in Jersey the same dumbass *****es are going to show up to the game and cheer for the other team. They're going to applaud the team's failures and continue to bring embarrassment to the franchise.

The Nets need an infusion of new fans, and the only way they're going to get that is by moving out of NJ.

The loss of manufacturing sector and higher cost of living expenses in NY is the driving force behind the lack of interest on the Nets, factor tat the lack of historical sentimentality or any emotional attachment to it's former and currrent crop of players and you got yourself a dead end franchise.

Post #229 » by **jerseyjac** » Sun Aug 16, 2009 1:33 pm

NetsForce wrote:
stevieboy wrote:Prudential Center > Airplane hanger in Crooklyn

I don't think the Prudential Center is a viable option for the Nets either. The problem runs deeper than where the Nets play. "Newjerseyans" just don't care about the Nets. I know more New Jersey born individuals who support the Sixers than I know people who support the Nets. The same goes for the Knicks...

If you keep the team in Jersey the same dumbass *****es are going to show up to the game and cheer for the other team. They're going to applaud the team's failures and continue to bring embarrassment to the franchise.

The Nets need an infusion of new fans, and the only way they're going to get that is by moving out of NJ.

Not that I dont agree with what you said as far some fans and how the state can be split between Knicks and sixers fans and the so called infusion they need...but for you to say Newark is not a viable option is ridiculous...

forget about keeping the Nets in NJ...this has nothing to do with that...and say overall, besides a perfect scenario, like what hype stated...making the Nets the Chinese National team and placing them in a geographic area where the population is predominantly Chinese...

the Prudential Center could be a fresh start for any franchise, just based on the new arena itself...The Izod center is so dated, a lot of fans arent interested in watching a basketball game there, period...on top of the actual location, and basketball being where it is as sport in this country alone (rank wise)...you're already in the hole...throw in the above and how the Nets franchise competed against fan bases that were alreadly seriously established across the river and downt the turnpike...you start understand how big of hole the Nets franchise has been trying to dig themselves out of...

Thorn has added and developed the Nets franchise into a class act...I think there is a certain persona the Nets carry now...an image that he has and wants to continue to protect...depsite our ownership, NBA players know who we are (Wade just stated this publically), and they know a lot has changed over the last decade or so...

But for anyone to belittle Newark and the type of basketball city it is...is also belittling the potential of an increased fan base of team without a Meadowlands address...

No matter what, I think the Nets will always be fighting an uphill battle...

Post #230 » by **jerseyjac** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:51 am

Politi's smack down on Ratner (7.24.09)

A lot of truth in this article...

Preludepunk27 · Post #231 » by **Preludepunk27** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:10 pm

Historically we've had "Nets" on either of our jerseys almost 3 times as much as "New Jersey" so that argument is completely moot to me. It's just being blown out of proportion because New Jersey lawmakers view it as "pouring salt on the wound" to the fact they're losing their only tennant in a crappy arena.

Roy Rogers already officially stated he's not leaving.

Above that, Booker is a idiot in my opinion who just runs his mouth. NOBODY from New Jersey who realistically could buy the team has come out and said they'd like to buy the team. The Devils owner mentioned it once but in the past 6 months has completely backed off it because due to the scheduling of 2 teams at the rock, he realized that the profits may not be as big as originally thought and the added costs of having 2 teams there may not be beneficial.

Yes, Ratner is doing a great job at pissing off a slew of people, but this is a grossly biased article. He fails to mention that at town hall meetings in Brooklyn for the project, the amount for and against the project are evenly split, sometimes with the people "for the project" in the majority.

Am I happy how things have played out since Ratner bought the team? Not really. They shipped away my favorite player in Kmart, but that landed us Vince. Rod Thorn hasn't been able to draft many difference makers until recently to fill in our front court glut. J-Kidd did what he has done in every city he's played for (I don't fault him with us though since he wants a championship). RJ is great but an egomaniac. Now I'm rambling, and yes Ratner has some fault to the situation, but this guy makes it sound like a lot of our on the court issues are a result of Ratner when equal blame can be placed elsewhere as well.

This article makes some decent points but this is a terrible article by Steve Politi in my opinion. He's just bitter because nobody on our side of the fence wants to talk about the issue until it's settled in courts so he just rights a horrible one-sided one as an F U basically. I don't blame him, but he needs to get some of his facts straight. I mean he gets paid to write, at least fact check before you send this crap to your editor.

Post #232 » by **jerseyjac** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:44 pm

Preludepunk27 wrote:Historically we've had "Nets" on either of our jerseys almost 3 times as much as "New Jersey" so that argument is completely moot to me. It's just being blown out of proportion because New Jersey lawmakers view it as "pouring salt on the wound" to the fact they're losing their only tennant in a crappy arena.

Roy Rogers already officially stated he's not leaving.

Above that, Booker is a idiot in my opinion who just runs his mouth. NOBODY from New Jersey who realistically could buy the team has come out and said they'd like to buy the team. The Devils owner mentioned it once but in the past 6 months has completely backed off it because due to the scheduling of 2 teams at the rock, he realized that the profits may not be as big as originally thought and the added costs of having 2 teams there may not be beneficial.

Yes, Ratner is doing a great job at pissing off a slew of people, but this is a grossly biased article. He fails to mention that at town hall meetings in Brooklyn for the project, the amount for and against the project are evenly split, sometimes with the people "for the project" in the majority.

Am I happy how things have played out since Ratner bought the team? Not really. They shipped away my favorite player in Kmart, but that landed us Vince. Rod Thorn hasn't been able to draft many difference makers until recently to fill in our front court glut. J-Kidd did what he has done in every city he's played for (I don't fault him with us though since he wants a championship). RJ is great but an egomaniac. Now I'm rambling, and yes Ratner has some fault to the situation, but this guy makes it sound like a lot of our on the court issues are a result of Ratner when equal blame can be placed elsewhere as well.

This article makes some decent points but this is a terrible article by Steve Politi in my opinion. He's just bitter because nobody on our side of the fence wants to talk about the issue until it's settled in courts so he just rights a horrible one-sided one as an F U basically. I don't blame him, but he needs to get some of his facts straight. I mean he gets paid to write, at least fact check before you send this crap to your editor.

The uniform stuff Is just a nice way of starting off the article…is it really all that significant…NO…but no matter how important it is, it is a smack in NJ’s face…

So where would you like to place equal blame?…

forget about the %s, Brooklyn is better and for anyone to say otherwise is an idiot…and obviously bias…maybe some of this legal crap is part of everyday real estate law, but since the beginning, whether the media paints this one way or another…there seems to be a lot of loop holes as the months go on…and a lot of blaming on the economy…I guess everyone’s leash ($$$) gets smaller no matter who you are…this is where I feel Ratner dropped the ball…maybe no one could of predicted the depths that the present economy has reached, but this situation has definitely become a nail biter…

The article is being blatant…call it bias, if you feel its appropriate, but as you said there are some decent points…even going back to ZO…and don’t underestimate Mr. Mayor, Corey Booker…you could be surprised on whats going on behind closed doors…

I have a lot of respect for your opinion Prelude, but you even seem to be torn between fact and fiction…I cant help myself from enjoying a good FU article…I just view Politi’s opinion as “I told you so” as he points his finger where the buck stops…

its possible, Politi predicted this and couldn’t go public until he had the amo…its possible, he’s heard the same old story one too many times, and he’s really letting it fly here…and its also possible he’s a Nets fan who’s sick and tired of being toyed with while watching owners corrupt Nets management and this franchise…

SteveNets15 · Post #233 » by **SteveNets15** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:27 pm

NetsForce wrote:
stevieboy wrote:Prudential Center > Airplane hanger in Crooklyn

I don't think the Prudential Center is a viable option for the Nets either. The problem runs deeper than where the Nets play. "Newjerseyans" just don't care about the Nets. I know more New Jersey born individuals who support the Sixers than I know people who support the Nets. The same goes for the Knicks...

If you keep the team in Jersey the same dumbass *****es are going to show up to the game and cheer for the other team. They're going to applaud the team's failures and continue to bring embarrassment to the franchise.

The Nets need an infusion of new fans, and the only way they're going to get that is by moving out of NJ.

I feel where your coming from with this.I hate going to games and the whole upper level is cheering for the other team.Since KIDD left its really got out of control,I don't think Nets fans even go to the games anymore,its just a bunch of people who got free tickets.I want out of the IZOD center but not NJ.I truly believe if we move to the brand new Prudential Arena, thats right in the middle of NJs largest city,we would have a near sold out crowd every night.If a hockey team can make it in Newark then i'm sure an NBA basketball team can.Do you really think were gonna move to Brooklyn and everyone in the area is going to become a Nets fan.Thats stupid we have to start from scratch there,at least in NJ we have some kind of fan base to build on.

NJ gets no respect.

Preludepunk27 · Post #234 » by **Preludepunk27** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:38 pm

stevieboy wrote:
NetsForce wrote:
stevieboy wrote:Prudential Center > Airplane hanger in Crooklyn

I don't think the Prudential Center is a viable option for the Nets either. The problem runs deeper than where the Nets play. "Newjerseyans" just don't care about the Nets. I know more New Jersey born individuals who support the Sixers than I know people who support the Nets. The same goes for the Knicks...

If you keep the team in Jersey the same dumbass *****es are going to show up to the game and cheer for the other team. They're going to applaud the team's failures and continue to bring embarrassment to the franchise.

The Nets need an infusion of new fans, and the only way they're going to get that is by moving out of NJ.

I feel where your coming from with this.I hate going to games and the whole upper level is cheering for the other team.Since KIDD left its really got out of control,I don't think Nets fans even go to the games anymore,its just a bunch of people who got free tickets.I want out of the IZOD center but not NJ.I truly believe if we move to the brand new Prudential Arena, thats right in the middle of NJs largest city,we would have a near sold out crowd every night.If a hockey team can make it in Newark then i'm sure an NBA basketball team can.Do you really think were gonna move to Brooklyn and everyone in the area is going to become a Nets fan.Thats stupid we have to start from scratch there,at least in NJ we have some kind of fan base to build on.

NJ gets no respect.

The difference there is that the Devils have had an extremely loyal fanbase for years. The fact they've been pretty competitive for over a decade now straight helps that as well.

SteveNets15 · Post #235 » by **SteveNets15** » Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:58 pm

I was going to take that line out because i hate to compare two different sports.The Rock is in the middle of a crowded shopping area on Broad st. with path train access from NY.Just like MSG its right there where people are wallking by all the time.That right there makes a huge difference when it comes to selling tickets because of the convenience.I understand Crooklyn is better for the franchise than the IZOD center is but it's not a better move than the Prudential Center.

Post #236 » by **jerseyjac** » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:13 pm

stevieboy wrote:I was going to take that line out because i hate to compare two different sports.The Rock is in the middle of a crowded shopping area on Broad st. with path train access from NY.Just like MSG its right there where people are wallking by all the time.That right there makes a huge difference when it comes to selling tickets because of the convenience.I understand Crooklyn is better for the franchise than the IZOD center is but it's not a better move than the Prudential Center.

this has always been my point...regardless of the number sold, we're talking about off the street ticket sales for the first time in New Jersey Nets history... its just the ability to take the train right into the city, catch a taxi or NJtransit a couple blocks to the arena...this will favor more fans even coming from NYC....secaucus junction is better than nothing, but the Rock's location with the amount of business, law firms, ect...we would do just fine...

Post #237 » by **Rich Rane** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:57 pm

Devils' slapshot at Nets
http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2 ... _nets.html

NetsForce · Post #238 » by **NetsForce** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:28 pm

I forgot the NHL was still around, good thing though, if both the NBA and WNBA have lockouts I might tune into a game...

Post #239 » by **jerseyjac** » Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:00 am

Rich Rane wrote:Devils' slapshot at Nets
http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2 ... _nets.html

lol...
Oh, sure, now we get it: "New Jersey Nets" was too limiting. So, heck, let's make them "America's Nets."

And then they could send a bill to the other 49 states, insisting they kick in for the new air conditioning system at Izod Center.

Preludepunk27 · Post #240 » by **Preludepunk27** » Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:30 am

I just learned that a kid I graduated college with is a PR guy with the Nets. I friended him on Facebook. I need to see what's going on with this.