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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2221 » by hood30 » Thu Apr 5, 2018 8:06 pm

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No bruh I applaud a realistic opinion in this situation even if he's trolling.


Am I the one that is being accused of trolling??..I frankly didn't know whether Kuzma was on their radar if the Dlo trade was not available to them...But even if Kuzma was not on the Nets board, that's still a bad look for the Nets and a great look for the Lakers because they were able to not only identify talent at the #27 pick but also traded a guy who was drafted #2 overall to get the rights to draft him at such a low position

If Kuzma were to go ahead and become a perennial All Star in the future and Dlo failed to match that, you won't be able to dismiss the fact that the Nets did drafted him and than traded him for Dlo.

From that point on, their fate are forever tied up, whether you want to admit it or not..Nets should win this trade because Dlo is a #2 overall pick and Kuzma is a #27.


That's such a dumb take that makes no sense. The Nets didn't draft him, the Lakers did. Our scouting department is just that good :wink:

Are you being sarcastic there? Just wondering?
Don't you think that Russell needs to become better than Kuzma for Nets to justify this trade? Whether Kuzma was on Nets board during the draft doesn't really matter because in 5-10 years, when we grade this trade, it's going to be Kuzma VS Russell and their status in the league. Nets need Russell to pan out badly or they'll have eggs on their face.
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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2222 » by Crooked-I » Thu Apr 5, 2018 8:24 pm

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Am I the one that is being accused of trolling??..I frankly didn't know whether Kuzma was on their radar if the Dlo trade was not available to them...But even if Kuzma was not on the Nets board, that's still a bad look for the Nets and a great look for the Lakers because they were able to not only identify talent at the #27 pick but also traded a guy who was drafted #2 overall to get the rights to draft him at such a low position

If Kuzma were to go ahead and become a perennial All Star in the future and Dlo failed to match that, you won't be able to dismiss the fact that the Nets did drafted him and than traded him for Dlo.

From that point on, their fate are forever tied up, whether you want to admit it or not..Nets should win this trade because Dlo is a #2 overall pick and Kuzma is a #27.


That's such a dumb take that makes no sense. The Nets didn't draft him, the Lakers did. Our scouting department is just that good :wink:

Are you being sarcastic there? Just wondering?
Don't you think that Russell needs to become better than Kuzma for Nets to justify this trade? Whether Kuzma was on Nets board during the draft doesn't really matter because in 5-10 years, when we grade this trade, it's going to be Kuzma VS Russell and their status in the league. Nets need Russell to pan out badly or they'll have eggs on their face.


No it's not, the trade was D'lo for Moz and the 27th pick, not D'lo for Moz and Kuz. Nets don't get credit for Lakers supreme drafting skills.

The trade will be judged based on whether D'lo becomes a good player or not. Has nothing to do with Kuzma.
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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2223 » by Curns13 » Thu Apr 5, 2018 9:13 pm

hood30 wrote:
Crooked-I wrote:
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Am I the one that is being accused of trolling??..I frankly didn't know whether Kuzma was on their radar if the Dlo trade was not available to them...But even if Kuzma was not on the Nets board, that's still a bad look for the Nets and a great look for the Lakers because they were able to not only identify talent at the #27 pick but also traded a guy who was drafted #2 overall to get the rights to draft him at such a low position

If Kuzma were to go ahead and become a perennial All Star in the future and Dlo failed to match that, you won't be able to dismiss the fact that the Nets did drafted him and than traded him for Dlo.

From that point on, their fate are forever tied up, whether you want to admit it or not..Nets should win this trade because Dlo is a #2 overall pick and Kuzma is a #27.


That's such a dumb take that makes no sense. The Nets didn't draft him, the Lakers did. Our scouting department is just that good :wink:

Are you being sarcastic there? Just wondering?
Don't you think that Russell needs to become better than Kuzma for Nets to justify this trade? Whether Kuzma was on Nets board during the draft doesn't really matter because in 5-10 years, when we grade this trade, it's going to be Kuzma VS Russell and their status in the league. Nets need Russell to pan out badly or they'll have eggs on their face.

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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2224 » by MrDollarBills » Thu Apr 5, 2018 11:43 pm

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hood30 wrote:
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That's such a dumb take that makes no sense. The Nets didn't draft him, the Lakers did. Our scouting department is just that good :wink:

Are you being sarcastic there? Just wondering?
Don't you think that Russell needs to become better than Kuzma for Nets to justify this trade? Whether Kuzma was on Nets board during the draft doesn't really matter because in 5-10 years, when we grade this trade, it's going to be Kuzma VS Russell and their status in the league. Nets need Russell to pan out badly or they'll have eggs on their face.


No it's not, the trade was D'lo for Moz and the 27th pick, not D'lo for Moz and Kuz. Nets don't get credit for Lakers supreme drafting skills.

The trade will be judged based on whether D'lo becomes a good player or not. Has nothing to do with Kuzma.


Kuzma shouldn't have lasted past the 6th pick,nevermind the fact that he a) was not going to be drafted by the Nets even if they didn't trade for Russell and b) Kuzma was chosen to complete the conditions of the trade. This is not a case of Russell versus Kuzma nor can the trade be graded as such since the Nets never were going to use the pick on him.

The mental gymnastics that hood is employing in an attempt to throw shade on the Nets are astounding.
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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2225 » by kamaze » Fri Apr 6, 2018 12:44 am

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The dude is trolling the thread, you only are fine with it because you hate Russell. Come on now.


No bruh I applaud a realistic opinion in this situation even if he's trolling.


Kyle Kuzma was never going to be a Net regardless of the trade.

You're agreeing with a troll.

are you even a fan of this team? or are you one of the stragglers that my guy Jeremy Lin has attracted here? fair question.

and i say my guy because Lin is looking good in his workouts and i look forward to him playing again with the squad.


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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2226 » by kamaze » Fri Apr 6, 2018 12:59 am

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hood30 wrote:
Crooked-I wrote:
That's such a dumb take that makes no sense. The Nets didn't draft him, the Lakers did. Our scouting department is just that good :wink:

Are you being sarcastic there? Just wondering?
Don't you think that Russell needs to become better than Kuzma for Nets to justify this trade? Whether Kuzma was on Nets board during the draft doesn't really matter because in 5-10 years, when we grade this trade, it's going to be Kuzma VS Russell and their status in the league. Nets need Russell to pan out badly or they'll have eggs on their face.


No it's not, the trade was D'lo for Moz and the 27th pick, not D'lo for Moz and Kuz. Nets don't get credit for Lakers supreme drafting skills.

The trade will be judged based on whether D'lo becomes a good player or not. Has nothing to do with Kuzma.


People don't even want to admit what the trade was. :lol:

1) a starter
2) a first round pick
3) Mozgov's contract
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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2227 » by Crooked-I » Fri Apr 6, 2018 1:55 am

kamaze wrote:
Crooked-I wrote:
hood30 wrote:Are you being sarcastic there? Just wondering?
Don't you think that Russell needs to become better than Kuzma for Nets to justify this trade? Whether Kuzma was on Nets board during the draft doesn't really matter because in 5-10 years, when we grade this trade, it's going to be Kuzma VS Russell and their status in the league. Nets need Russell to pan out badly or they'll have eggs on their face.


No it's not, the trade was D'lo for Moz and the 27th pick, not D'lo for Moz and Kuz. Nets don't get credit for Lakers supreme drafting skills.

The trade will be judged based on whether D'lo becomes a good player or not. Has nothing to do with Kuzma.


People don't even want to admit what the trade was. :lol:

1) a starter
2) a first round pick
3) Mozgov's contract


Yeah a first round pick, not Kuzma.
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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2228 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Apr 6, 2018 2:34 am

kamaze wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
kamaze wrote:
No bruh I applaud a realistic opinion in this situation even if he's trolling.


Kyle Kuzma was never going to be a Net regardless of the trade.

You're agreeing with a troll.

are you even a fan of this team? or are you one of the stragglers that my guy Jeremy Lin has attracted here? fair question.

and i say my guy because Lin is looking good in his workouts and i look forward to him playing again with the squad.


Anyone that disagrees with you is dismissed and labeled a troll even if they're right.


your irrational bias against the player that we acquired doesn't equate to you being right.
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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2229 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Apr 6, 2018 2:36 am

Crooked-I wrote:
kamaze wrote:
Crooked-I wrote:
No it's not, the trade was D'lo for Moz and the 27th pick, not D'lo for Moz and Kuz. Nets don't get credit for Lakers supreme drafting skills.

The trade will be judged based on whether D'lo becomes a good player or not. Has nothing to do with Kuzma.


People don't even want to admit what the trade was. :lol:

1) a starter
2) a first round pick
3) Mozgov's contract


Yeah a first round pick, not Kuzma.


it's embarrassing when a Lakers fan has to break this down for so called Nets fans.

but then it makes sense when you realize that the people talking the most **** in this thread aren't really Net fans.

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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2230 » by kamaze » Fri Apr 6, 2018 3:18 am

This is insanity :lol:
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Post#2231 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Apr 6, 2018 3:46 am

kamaze wrote:
Crooked-I wrote:
hood30 wrote:Are you being sarcastic there? Just wondering?
Don't you think that Russell needs to become better than Kuzma for Nets to justify this trade? Whether Kuzma was on Nets board during the draft doesn't really matter because in 5-10 years, when we grade this trade, it's going to be Kuzma VS Russell and their status in the league. Nets need Russell to pan out badly or they'll have eggs on their face.


No it's not, the trade was D'lo for Moz and the 27th pick, not D'lo for Moz and Kuz. Nets don't get credit for Lakers supreme drafting skills.

The trade will be judged based on whether D'lo becomes a good player or not. Has nothing to do with Kuzma.


People don't even want to admit what the trade was. :lol:

1) a starter
2) a first round pick
3) Mozgov's contract

Your thinking is too confined. I'm a big Lopez fan, and like to think of him as a starter as well, but in the DLo deal he was a salary dump to offset the incoming salary. We actually shed salary for this season in the deal. Without sending back Lopez one or both of the Carroll & Crabbe trades could not happen as nobody was taking back Lopez into pure cap space without compensation.

If you want to assume just the Carroll trade was the enabled result, the trade becomes:
1)A Starter (Lopez) replaced by a Starter (Carroll)
2) A late 2017 1st replaced by a late 2018 1st and a 2018 2nd
3) Mozgov's contract netting DLo

If Carroll can be flipped for yet another asset, even better. When evaluating trades, you have to look at the big picture. Some trades are enablers/loss leaders. You take a small loss for a bigger subsequent gain.
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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2232 » by SpeedyG » Fri Apr 6, 2018 12:24 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Crooked-I wrote:
hood30 wrote:Are you being sarcastic there? Just wondering?
Don't you think that Russell needs to become better than Kuzma for Nets to justify this trade? Whether Kuzma was on Nets board during the draft doesn't really matter because in 5-10 years, when we grade this trade, it's going to be Kuzma VS Russell and their status in the league. Nets need Russell to pan out badly or they'll have eggs on their face.


No it's not, the trade was D'lo for Moz and the 27th pick, not D'lo for Moz and Kuz. Nets don't get credit for Lakers supreme drafting skills.

The trade will be judged based on whether D'lo becomes a good player or not. Has nothing to do with Kuzma.


Kuzma shouldn't have lasted past the 6th pick,nevermind the fact that he a) was not going to be drafted by the Nets even if they didn't trade for Russell and b) Kuzma was chosen to complete the conditions of the trade. This is not a case of Russell versus Kuzma nor can the trade be graded as such since the Nets never were going to use the pick on him.

The mental gymnastics that hood is employing in an attempt to throw shade on the Nets are astounding.


Does Billy King get a pass for trading the pick that became Damien Lillard? The Wallace deal gets ripped because how non-sensical it was, but also because the team missed on a very good player that ended up being much better than the player we acquired for the pick.

Furthermore, take a look at this teams philosophy of small ball and three point shooting.

Kuzma is PRECISELY the kind of talent that would have fit this team to a T.

If they missed on him as a prospect, then it's a knock on them. If they liked him but thought Russell was going to be better, that's fine too, unless Kuzma develops to be better than Russell.

Milwaukee still gets haunted by passing on Dirk, even though they were never going to take him with that traded pick.

Dlo must be better or at least as good as Kuzma long term for this to be a good deal for Sean. (not to mention we absorbed Mozgov awful contract in that, so it further adds negative equity to the deal )
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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2233 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Apr 6, 2018 1:33 pm

Let's wait a little bit before inducting Kuzma into the Hall of Fame. He's a pleasant surprise, but fans tend to criminally overrate players that exceed initial low expectations (See Harris, Dinwiddie & Kuzma) & criminally underrate players that underperform compared to initial high expectations (see DLo). Given the youth involved & DLo's extended absence, give the trade at least 2 full years before starting to draw conclusions. I'm willing to bet, even with the benefit of hindsight, still would trade Kuzma for DLo & Mozgov.
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Post#2234 » by SpeedyG » Fri Apr 6, 2018 2:11 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:Let's wait a little bit before inducting Kuzma into the Hall of Fame. He's a pleasant surprise, but fans tend to criminally overrate players that exceed initial low expectations (See Harris, Dinwiddie & Kuzma) & criminally underrate players that underperform compared to initial high expectations (see DLo). Given the youth involved & DLo's extended absence, give the trade at least 2 full years before starting to draw conclusions. I'm willing to bet, even with the benefit of hindsight, still would trade Kuzma for DLo & Mozgov.


For sure, I'm not crowning him yet. Just saying that for others to say that Kuzma's fate isn't or will not be tied to how Russell deal is viewed is simply ignoring how everything in sports works.

Sure, it's probably forgotten eventually unless a truly great player is involved, but from an analysis stand point, you still have to look at it.

How many times have we seen Nets fans dismiss the Celtics (up until Tatum) trade to a point since none of the guys they've taken with our picks have been true difference makers? If they had hit on those picks, we'd be banging our heads and cursing Billy King even harder.
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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2235 » by hood30 » Fri Apr 6, 2018 2:42 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Crooked-I wrote:
No it's not, the trade was D'lo for Moz and the 27th pick, not D'lo for Moz and Kuz. Nets don't get credit for Lakers supreme drafting skills.

The trade will be judged based on whether D'lo becomes a good player or not. Has nothing to do with Kuzma.


Kuzma shouldn't have lasted past the 6th pick,nevermind the fact that he a) was not going to be drafted by the Nets even if they didn't trade for Russell and b) Kuzma was chosen to complete the conditions of the trade. This is not a case of Russell versus Kuzma nor can the trade be graded as such since the Nets never were going to use the pick on him.

The mental gymnastics that hood is employing in an attempt to throw shade on the Nets are astounding.


Does Billy King get a pass for trading the pick that became Damien Lillard? The Wallace deal gets ripped because how non-sensical it was, but also because the team missed on a very good player that ended up being much better than the player we acquired for the pick.

Furthermore, take a look at this teams philosophy of small ball and three point shooting.

Kuzma is PRECISELY the kind of talent that would have fit this team to a T.

If they missed on him as a prospect, then it's a knock on them. If they liked him but thought Russell was going to be better, that's fine too, unless Kuzma develops to be better than Russell.

Milwaukee still gets haunted by passing on Dirk, even though they were never going to take him with that traded pick.

Dlo must be better or at least as good as Kuzma long term for this to be a good deal for Sean. (not to mention we absorbed Mozgov awful contract in that, so it further adds negative equity to the deal )


U made my point but even better..Saying that, when the deal was made, I had no issue with it but as a Nets fan, you had to be a bit annoyed at the fact the Lakers was willing to give up on Russell, a #2 overall pick, so quickly and I thought that maybe they knew something about DLo that the Nets didn't. Injuries were an issue and there were talk of him being cocky and not giving full effort on the court, but I still thought the trade was a win for the Nets because the Nets wasn't losing much. That's what everyone thought, including myself.

I also agree that when sports expert go back in time 3-4 years from now to rate this trade, they won't care about whether the Nets was never going to pick Kuzma. Fact is he was available and the Nets drafted him and traded him for Russell...That's how their fate are tied together. Russell needs to either be better or on par with Kuzma simply because he was seen as the better player on that trade. Kuzma can not become the better player or Nets take a huge L here.
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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2236 » by TheNetsFan » Fri Apr 6, 2018 3:32 pm

hood30 wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Kuzma shouldn't have lasted past the 6th pick,nevermind the fact that he a) was not going to be drafted by the Nets even if they didn't trade for Russell and b) Kuzma was chosen to complete the conditions of the trade. This is not a case of Russell versus Kuzma nor can the trade be graded as such since the Nets never were going to use the pick on him.

The mental gymnastics that hood is employing in an attempt to throw shade on the Nets are astounding.


Does Billy King get a pass for trading the pick that became Damien Lillard? The Wallace deal gets ripped because how non-sensical it was, but also because the team missed on a very good player that ended up being much better than the player we acquired for the pick.

Furthermore, take a look at this teams philosophy of small ball and three point shooting.

Kuzma is PRECISELY the kind of talent that would have fit this team to a T.

If they missed on him as a prospect, then it's a knock on them. If they liked him but thought Russell was going to be better, that's fine too, unless Kuzma develops to be better than Russell.

Milwaukee still gets haunted by passing on Dirk, even though they were never going to take him with that traded pick.

Dlo must be better or at least as good as Kuzma long term for this to be a good deal for Sean. (not to mention we absorbed Mozgov awful contract in that, so it further adds negative equity to the deal )


U made my point but even better..Saying that, when the deal was made, I had no issue with it but as a Nets fan, you had to be a bit annoyed at the fact the Lakers was willing to give up on Russell, a #2 overall pick, so quickly and I thought that maybe they knew something about DLo that the Nets didn't. Injuries were an issue and there were talk of him being cocky and not giving full effort on the court, but I still thought the trade was a win for the Nets because the Nets wasn't losing much. That's what everyone thought, including myself.

I also agree that when sports expert go back in time 3-4 years from now to rate this trade, they won't care about whether the Nets was never going to pick Kuzma. Fact is he was available and the Nets drafted him and traded him for Russell...That's how their fate are tied together. Russell needs to either be better or on par with Kuzma simply because he was seen as the better player on that trade. Kuzma can not become the better player or Nets take a huge L here.

The Lakers were at the top of the draft. The consensus top 3 players were Fultz, Ball & Tatum. Two played the same position as DLo & one played the same position as Ingram. They also wanted to move Mozgov & Deng's contracts, and Randle was not enough to get it done. Magic has big FA plans, and couldn't fail in moving at least one of those contracts.

It was first reported that the Nets offered to take on Mozgov for the #2 pick, which the Lakers refused to give up. If the Lakers were going to find a taker for one of those contracts, it was going to cost #2, Ingram or DLo. They decided that they liked Ball+Ingram better than DLo+Tatum. I big part of it is likely due to Ingram having an extra year on his rookie deal. If they are going big game hunting in 2019, they wouldn't have been able to resign DLo.

Just because a guy was traded, it doesn't mean his team gave up on him. You have to trade value (DLo) to get value (future cap space). You can't just trade end of bench guys and expect to return anything of consequence.
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Post#2237 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Apr 6, 2018 4:37 pm

SpeedyG wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Crooked-I wrote:
No it's not, the trade was D'lo for Moz and the 27th pick, not D'lo for Moz and Kuz. Nets don't get credit for Lakers supreme drafting skills.

The trade will be judged based on whether D'lo becomes a good player or not. Has nothing to do with Kuzma.


Kuzma shouldn't have lasted past the 6th pick,nevermind the fact that he a) was not going to be drafted by the Nets even if they didn't trade for Russell and b) Kuzma was chosen to complete the conditions of the trade. This is not a case of Russell versus Kuzma nor can the trade be graded as such since the Nets never were going to use the pick on him.

The mental gymnastics that hood is employing in an attempt to throw shade on the Nets are astounding.


Does Billy King get a pass for trading the pick that became Damien Lillard? The Wallace deal gets ripped because how non-sensical it was, but also because the team missed on a very good player that ended up being much better than the player we acquired for the pick.

Furthermore, take a look at this teams philosophy of small ball and three point shooting.

Kuzma is PRECISELY the kind of talent that would have fit this team to a T.

If they missed on him as a prospect, then it's a knock on them. If they liked him but thought Russell was going to be better, that's fine too, unless Kuzma develops to be better than Russell.

Milwaukee still gets haunted by passing on Dirk, even though they were never going to take him with that traded pick.

Dlo must be better or at least as good as Kuzma long term for this to be a good deal for Sean. (not to mention we absorbed Mozgov awful contract in that, so it further adds negative equity to the deal )


You are grasping at straws with all of this.

1) The Nets, nor did 28 other teams, have Kuzma scouted like the Lakers did. That is no way shape or form an indictment against Marks and Russell regardless of how these players end up.

2) How can you compare trading the 6th pick in the draft, which is a high value pick in any year, to trading the 27th pick?

3) Dirk was a top 10 pick. Of course the Bucks are haunted by that. They traded a high value pick for a bust.

The Nets never were going to draft Kuzma. Using him as some standard that D'Angelo Russell has to surpass is not only unfair, but asinine considering the fact that he was not a part of the plan. The trade for Russell was and still is low risk, high reward in all aspects. You're going to use a player that was never even going to play for this franchise as a metric? If the Nets didn't even trade for Russell and kept their 27th pick Kuzma damn well might have dropped into the 2nd round.

It's also fairly intellectually dishonest to compare trading top 10 picks to trading a low value late 20s pick. None of you even knew Kyle Kuzma's name until the summer league...give me a break. Like I said...the hate for Russell is making people do mental gymnastics to justify throwing shade on his acquisition and here we have another case of it.
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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2238 » by MrDollarBills » Fri Apr 6, 2018 4:46 pm

hood30 wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
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Kuzma shouldn't have lasted past the 6th pick,nevermind the fact that he a) was not going to be drafted by the Nets even if they didn't trade for Russell and b) Kuzma was chosen to complete the conditions of the trade. This is not a case of Russell versus Kuzma nor can the trade be graded as such since the Nets never were going to use the pick on him.

The mental gymnastics that hood is employing in an attempt to throw shade on the Nets are astounding.


Does Billy King get a pass for trading the pick that became Damien Lillard? The Wallace deal gets ripped because how non-sensical it was, but also because the team missed on a very good player that ended up being much better than the player we acquired for the pick.

Furthermore, take a look at this teams philosophy of small ball and three point shooting.

Kuzma is PRECISELY the kind of talent that would have fit this team to a T.

If they missed on him as a prospect, then it's a knock on them. If they liked him but thought Russell was going to be better, that's fine too, unless Kuzma develops to be better than Russell.

Milwaukee still gets haunted by passing on Dirk, even though they were never going to take him with that traded pick.

Dlo must be better or at least as good as Kuzma long term for this to be a good deal for Sean. (not to mention we absorbed Mozgov awful contract in that, so it further adds negative equity to the deal )


U made my point but even better..Saying that, when the deal was made, I had no issue with it but as a Nets fan, you had to be a bit annoyed at the fact the Lakers was willing to give up on Russell, a #2 overall pick, so quickly and I thought that maybe they knew something about DLo that the Nets didn't. Injuries were an issue and there were talk of him being cocky and not giving full effort on the court, but I still thought the trade was a win for the Nets because the Nets wasn't losing much. That's what everyone thought, including myself.

I also agree that when sports expert go back in time 3-4 years from now to rate this trade, they won't care about whether the Nets was never going to pick Kuzma. Fact is he was available and the Nets drafted him and traded him for Russell...That's how their fate are tied together. Russell needs to either be better or on par with Kuzma simply because he was seen as the better player on that trade. Kuzma can not become the better player or Nets take a huge L here.


Had the Nets traded a top 10 pick for Russell and Russell never develops into anything while the pick that was traded goes on to be an all star, then i can see you saying that. This is the 27th pick we're talking about here....this is seriously a false equivalency.
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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2239 » by SpeedyG » Fri Apr 6, 2018 4:59 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
SpeedyG wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Kuzma shouldn't have lasted past the 6th pick,nevermind the fact that he a) was not going to be drafted by the Nets even if they didn't trade for Russell and b) Kuzma was chosen to complete the conditions of the trade. This is not a case of Russell versus Kuzma nor can the trade be graded as such since the Nets never were going to use the pick on him.

The mental gymnastics that hood is employing in an attempt to throw shade on the Nets are astounding.


Does Billy King get a pass for trading the pick that became Damien Lillard? The Wallace deal gets ripped because how non-sensical it was, but also because the team missed on a very good player that ended up being much better than the player we acquired for the pick.

Furthermore, take a look at this teams philosophy of small ball and three point shooting.

Kuzma is PRECISELY the kind of talent that would have fit this team to a T.

If they missed on him as a prospect, then it's a knock on them. If they liked him but thought Russell was going to be better, that's fine too, unless Kuzma develops to be better than Russell.

Milwaukee still gets haunted by passing on Dirk, even though they were never going to take him with that traded pick.

Dlo must be better or at least as good as Kuzma long term for this to be a good deal for Sean. (not to mention we absorbed Mozgov awful contract in that, so it further adds negative equity to the deal )


You are grasping at straws with all of this.

1) The Nets, nor did 30 other teams, have Kuzma scouted like the Lakers did. That is no way shape or form an indictment against Marks and Russell regardless of how these players end up.

2) How can you compare trading the 6th pick in the draft, which is a high value pick in any year, to trading the 27th pick?

3) Dirk was a top 10 pick. Of course the Bucks are haunted by that. They traded a high value selection for a bust.

The Nets never were going to draft Kuzma. Using him as some standard that D'Angelo Russell has to surpass is not only unfair, but asinine considering the fact that he was not a part of the plan. The trade for Russell was and still is low risk, high reward in all aspects.

It's also fairly intellectually dishonest to compare trading top 10 picks to trading a low value late 20s pick. None of you even knew Kyle Kuzma's name until the summer league...give me a break. Like I said...the hate for Russell is making people do mental gymnastics to justify throwing shade on his acquisition and here we have another case of it.


No, you're clearly overreacting in defending Russell that you're ignoring what is a logical point.

Nets, almost every other year, have been reminded that the pick we sold...ended up being Kyle Korver. Doesn't matter that it was a 2nd rounder. The Nets badly needed shooting at the time and we essentially dumped that pick.

Did the Pacers make a good deal trading for Hill and giving up the pick that ended up being Kawhi? Or does it not matter since it was a pick in the 20s? according to you, it doesn't. But fact is anytime anyone in Indiana (and I was there for a few months), anytime anyone talked about Hill...Kawhi was brought up. and Hill was largely a productive player for them.

It has nothing to do with where a guy was taken. when you get rid of a player in exchange for another, they are linked and will be judged bases on their relative success.

heck Nets were getting killed for letting Yogi go to make room for Din, and that's basically dleague players.

The same is true of Russell and Kuzma.

You dont think people would be laughing at the Lakers for trading Russell (if he blows up) and ball/Kuzma fails?

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Re: Official D'Angelo Russell Thread 

Post#2240 » by One Love » Fri Apr 6, 2018 6:16 pm

Laker fan in peace... Couple items... First, a handful of our forum was pissed when we shipped D Lo as they thought he could play SG with Ball... Magic wanted Cap Soace & a PURE PG... Secondly, Spurs would have taken Kuzz at 29 if Lakers didn’t draft him at 27, which has been confirmed... Spurs would take Kuzz & Ingram for Leonard right now (rumor, not confirmed)...

Good luck next season...

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