Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[MrDollarBills]

Dream scenario would be some out of nowhere deal for Donovan Mitchell and Royce O’Neale.

Was reading something on Twitter today saying that some NBA execs still think there’s a solid chance we pull off a trade for Beal and still keep Dinwiddie this off-season. If I can find it I’ll link it.

Why would Utah trade Mitchell???

[vincecarter4pres]

Dream scenario would be some out of nowhere deal for Donovan Mitchell and Royce O’Neale.

Was reading something on Twitter today saying that some NBA execs still think there’s a solid chance we pull off a trade for Beal and still keep Dinwiddie this off-season. If I can find it I’ll link it.

Why would Utah trade Mitchell???

They won’t. Like I said, dream scenario out of nowhere.

[ecuhus1981]

Shifting gears, who has been keeping up with The Athletic's Tiers project?

I appreciate the work they've put into dissecting the components of winning in the modern NBA. For those of you who wonder why some of us value a two-way, lean-usage star like Jrue Holiday over a liability and ballhog like Zach Lavine, here is your independent analysis.

We have a tier 1B player in Durant, a 3B player in Irving, three 4B players on the wing (Levert, Harris and Dinwiddie), and Allen as a 5. That's 6 players, tied for most in the league. A testament to not only our savvy drafting, but also our fortune at both ends of the free agency spectrum. Kudos, Sean.

One useful bit of breakdown I find insightful was both Caris and Spencer are in a class known as "floor raisers". High-usage, low efficiency guys who don't defend well or bring other elite skills that transition them to contending role players. They are the reason we have been able to weather so much misfortune in injury over the past 2 seasons, and still make the playoffs. But the holes in their game in a more subservient role are what will hold us back from winning at the highest levels.

[MrDollarBills]

Shifting gears, who has been keeping up with The Athletic's Tiers project?

I appreciate the work they've put into dissecting the components of winning in the modern NBA. For those of you who wonder why some of us value a two-way, lean-usage star like Jrue Holiday over a liability and ballhog like Zach Lavine, here is your independent analysis.

We have a tier 1B player in Durant, a 3B player in Irving, three 4B players on the wing (Levert, Harris and Dinwiddie), and Allen as a 5. That's 6 players, tied for most in the league. A testament to not only our savvy drafting, but also our fortune at both ends of the free agency spectrum. Kudos, Sean.

One useful bit of breakdown I find insightful was both Caris and Spencer are in a class known as "floor raisers". High-usage, low efficiency guys who don't defend well or bring other elite skills that transition them to contending role players. They are the reason we have been able to weather so much misfortune in injury over the past 2 seasons, and still make the playoffs. But the holes in their game in a more subservient role are what will hold us back from winning at the highest levels.

I'm curious, who else is considered a 1B player?

I agree with that last paragraph 100%.

[Hello Brooklyn]

No to Holiday. Yes to a player like Covington. I want more size and the better shooter. Houston would want a ransom for him as he should be a great fit for them. With Dantoni gone, maybe they want to go bigger and deeper?

Covington, Gordon
For
Dinwiddie, Prince, Allen, 3 2nds

Not that I worry about losing Harris....too much... but if it happened, Gordon is some insurance. If not, shooting depth.

Irving l LeVert l J.Martin²
Harris l Gordon l (Crawford)
Covington l TLC l Musa
Durant l Kurucs
Jordan l Claxton
+
#19
Tax MLE

I think Covington is exactly what we need. But I don't see them trading him.

I wonder what other defensive wings we can get for a lesser price. Allen and some sweeteners. No Dinwiddie.

[DarkXaero]

Shifting gears, who has been keeping up with The Athletic's Tiers project?

I appreciate the work they've put into dissecting the components of winning in the modern NBA. For those of you who wonder why some of us value a two-way, lean-usage star like Jrue Holiday over a liability and ballhog like Zach Lavine, here is your independent analysis.

We have a tier 1B player in Durant, a 3B player in Irving, three 4B players on the wing (Levert, Harris and Dinwiddie), and Allen as a 5. That's 6 players, tied for most in the league. A testament to not only our savvy drafting, but also our fortune at both ends of the free agency spectrum. Kudos, Sean.

One useful bit of breakdown I find insightful was both Caris and Spencer are in a class known as "floor raisers". High-usage, low efficiency guys who don't defend well or bring other elite skills that transition them to contending role players. They are the reason we have been able to weather so much misfortune in injury over the past 2 seasons, and still make the playoffs. But the holes in their game in a more subservient role are what will hold us back from winning at the highest levels.

I have been keeping up with it. I don't fully agree with those rankings obviously, but I do appreciate their effort, and the writer did show a lot of good reasoning for the rankings. As for Levert and Dinwiddie, I think that's accurate to a degree, but a bit unfair on Dinwiddie, as he has shown that he can be an above average efficiency scorer when he isn't being asked to do too much (18-19 season).

[MrDollarBills]

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Interesting now that we have 3 former NBA players as coaches.

Vaughn is a good guy to have as a lead assistant, he did a great job post Kenny, but I would like some veteran coaching wisdom on the staff as well.

[vincecarter4pres]

Read that he was brought on primarily as a developmental coach.

Wonder if Baron Davis will find his way on this staff in some capacity?

[TGW]

Dream scenario would be some out of nowhere deal for Donovan Mitchell and Royce O’Neale.

Was reading something on Twitter today saying that some NBA execs still think there’s a solid chance we pull off a trade for Beal and still keep Dinwiddie this off-season. If I can find it I’ll link it.

The Nets don't have the assets for Mitchell nor Beal.

[DarkXaero]

Dream scenario would be some out of nowhere deal for Donovan Mitchell and Royce O’Neale.

Was reading something on Twitter today saying that some NBA execs still think there’s a solid chance we pull off a trade for Beal and still keep Dinwiddie this off-season. If I can find it I’ll link it.

The Nets don't have the assets for Mitchell nor Beal.

Maybe not Mitchell, but they definitely do for Beal, which is why it's constantly brought up in media as a possibility. The Athletic just did a big survey with 20 agents, and one of the agents talked about the possibility of Nets trading for Beal, and those are people in the know. So if they're acknowledging it as something realistic, it can definitely happen.

[therealbig3]

Someone better than me can make the thread for it, but Amare hired as assistant coach on Nash's staff.

Based on who he was as a player...really hope this is as an offensive assistant lol. Defense was not his forte, to say the least.

[Paradise]

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Interesting now that we have 3 former NBA players as coaches.

Vaughn is a good guy to have as a lead assistant, he did a great job post Kenny, but I would like some veteran coaching wisdom on the staff as well.

Wtf!

I always wake up to left field breaking news when my phone is off.

[vincecarter4pres]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y5pabodg

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Thoughts?

[DarkXaero]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y5pabodg

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Thoughts?

I would do it on the condition that PG signs an extension here, or at least doesn't opt out next year. But I think it would be a no for Clippers.

[Hello Brooklyn]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y5pabodg

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Thoughts?

Clippers would be insane to do that trade. Nobody wants Westbrook lol.

He makes Pandemic P look like LeBron.

[ecuhus1981]

I think the Clippers could get behind Westbrook being the biggest name returning for George, but he's seen near the only thing they get. Houston and Indy both siphon value that belongs to LAC.

[MrDollarBills]

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[Prokorov]

One useful bit of breakdown I find insightful was both Caris and Spencer are in a class known as "floor raisers". High-usage, low efficiency guys who don't defend well or bring other elite skills that transition them to contending role players. They are the reason we have been able to weather so much misfortune in injury over the past 2 seasons, and still make the playoffs. But the holes in their game in a more subservient role are what will hold us back from winning at the highest levels.

yea this is something ive been harping on, and why i think a trade is an absolute necessity. One of them staying and being a super 6th man works. (probably dinwiddie since he is the more durable and gives us some kyrie injury insrance) but both is really a waste of a high salary player. neither is going to give you close to what you get when they are the focus of the offense as an offball lower usage player.

[Prokorov]

No to Holiday. Yes to a player like Covington. I want more size and the better shooter. Houston would want a ransom for him as he should be a great fit for them. With Dantoni gone, maybe they want to go bigger and deeper?

Covington, Gordon
For
Dinwiddie, Prince, Allen, 3 2nds

Not that I worry about losing Harris....too much... but if it happened, Gordon is some insurance. If not, shooting depth.

Irving l LeVert l J.Martin²
Harris l Gordon l (Crawford)
Covington l TLC l Musa
Durant l Kurucs
Jordan l Claxton
+
#19
Tax MLE

I think Covington is exactly what we need. But I don't see them trading him.

I wonder what other defensive wings we can get for a lesser price. Allen and some sweeteners. No Dinwiddie.

there isnt much out there. most of the elite wing defenders are also elite players overall (i.e. giannis, butler, kawhi, lebron, ben simmons, tatum, siakim....) and the few who arent are on extremely team friendly deals on playoff teams (Smart, Beverly, Covington)

then you have a few guys who could be had but extremely offensive inept (RHJ, MKG).

i think the realistic targets who arent superstars, could be had via trade, and who arent complete liabilities on offense are:
-Jrue
-Terrance Ross
-Aaron Gordon
-Gallinari
-Oladipo
-Dillon Brooks

[vincecarter4pres]

No to Holiday. Yes to a player like Covington. I want more size and the better shooter. Houston would want a ransom for him as he should be a great fit for them. With Dantoni gone, maybe they want to go bigger and deeper?

Covington, Gordon
For
Dinwiddie, Prince, Allen, 3 2nds

Not that I worry about losing Harris....too much... but if it happened, Gordon is some insurance. If not, shooting depth.

Irving l LeVert l J.Martin²
Harris l Gordon l (Crawford)
Covington l TLC l Musa
Durant l Kurucs
Jordan l Claxton
+
#19
Tax MLE

I think Covington is exactly what we need. But I don't see them trading him.

I wonder what other defensive wings we can get for a lesser price. Allen and some sweeteners. No Dinwiddie.

there isnt much out there. most of the elite wing defenders are also elite players overall (i.e. giannis, butler, kawhi, lebron, ben simmons, tatum, siakim....) and the few who arent are on extremely team friendly deals on playoff teams (Smart, Beverly, Covington)

then you have a few guys who could be had but extremely offensive inept (RHJ, MKG).

i think the realistic targets who arent superstars, could be had via trade, and who arent complete liabilities on offense are:
-Jrue
-Terrance Ross
-Aaron Gordon
-Gallinari
-Oladipo
-Dillon Brooks

I’d add the following to that list:

Derrick White
Norman Powell
Crowder
Harrison Barnes