Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[DarkXaero]

I still think our version of Humphries, Brooks and Picks (HBAP) should be DAPPer. Dinwiddie, Allen, Prince and Picks.

Dinwiddie is very expendable. 1 more year and sure to be UFA after he opts out. He may want his own team in his prime before it's too late. Allen will be a RFA but he may push to move if Jordan is still starting or taking his minutes and we will be paying major taxes on any contract he gets. Prince is great filler as he's a short two year medium sized deal. Picks can be 1sts and 2nds.

Gordon and T.Ross
For
Dinwiddie, Allen, Prince, #19, 2 2nds

Irving l LeVert l TJ or Chiozza l J.Martin²
Harris l Ross l J.Crawford?
Gordon l TLC l Musa
Durant l AG l Kurucs
Jordan l MLE l Claxton

We'd have depth for days

Guys who can play..

PG
Irving, LeVert, we probably keep 1 of Tyler Johnson or Chiozza.

SG
Harris, LeVert, T.Ross, TLC, Musa, maybe Jamal Crawford if we sign him.

SF
Harris, KD, Gordon, TLC, Musa, LeVert, T.Ross

PF
KD, AG, Kurucs, Claxton, hell Harris and TLC played some PF in the bubble.

C
Jordan, KD, Claxton, Kurucs and I'm sure we'd sign a veteran back up lile Baynes, Plumlee, Millsap, etc.

No offense but that's an awful trade, not much different from the incredibly lopsided trades I've seen on T&T board. We're giving up way too much for what we're getting there. Dinwiddie and Allen are the two best players in that trade, and we're giving them a 1st on top of it, on top of two 2nds. That is overpay for Jrue Holiday, let alone Aaron Gordon and Terrence Ross, two barely above average rotation players. I don't care that Dinwiddie is an expiring contract, only 1 year of him is still potentially incredibly valuable to us, in terms of how he can help a contender.

[Trader_Joe]

I still think our version of Humphries, Brooks and Picks (HBAP) should be DAPPer. Dinwiddie, Allen, Prince and Picks.

Dinwiddie is very expendable. 1 more year and sure to be UFA after he opts out. He may want his own team in his prime before it's too late. Allen will be a RFA but he may push to move if Jordan is still starting or taking his minutes and we will be paying major taxes on any contract he gets. Prince is great filler as he's a short two year medium sized deal. Picks can be 1sts and 2nds.

Gordon and T.Ross
For
Dinwiddie, Allen, Prince, #19, 2 2nds

Irving l LeVert l TJ or Chiozza l J.Martin²
Harris l Ross l J.Crawford?
Gordon l TLC l Musa
Durant l AG l Kurucs
Jordan l MLE l Claxton

We'd have depth for days

Guys who can play..

PG
Irving, LeVert, we probably keep 1 of Tyler Johnson or Chiozza.

SG
Harris, LeVert, T.Ross, TLC, Musa, maybe Jamal Crawford if we sign him.

SF
Harris, KD, Gordon, TLC, Musa, LeVert, T.Ross

PF
KD, AG, Kurucs, Claxton, hell Harris and TLC played some PF in the bubble.

C
Jordan, KD, Claxton, Kurucs and I'm sure we'd sign a veteran back up lile Baynes, Plumlee, Millsap, etc.

No offense but that's an awful trade, not much different from the incredibly lopsided trades I've seen on T&T board. We're giving up way too much for what we're getting there. Dinwiddie and Allen are the two best players in that trade, and we're giving them a 1st on top of it, on top of two 2nds. That is overpay for Jrue Holiday, let alone Aaron Gordon and Terrence Ross, two barely above average rotation players. I don't care that Dinwiddie is an expiring contract, only 1 year of him is still potentially incredibly valuable to us, in terms of how he can help a contender.

We have so many playmakers in Irving, LeVert and likely some of Chiozza, TJ, J.Crawford, Dinwiddie is a luxury IMO.
I think T.Ross is incrediibly underrated as a 3&D guy we need.

The way I look at the value:
Prince + #19 is basically neutral/slightly positive value... so add the 2nds and we come close to T.Ross who is locked in on a reasonable deal.
That leaves Dinwiddie + Allen for Gordon, which I think is extremely fair. There aren't many defenders or athletes like Gordon out there. That part of the deal slightly favors Orlando, while I think the 1st part slightly favor us. Close enough in my book, but again I think I'm much higher on Ross than most.

[DarkXaero]

I still think our version of Humphries, Brooks and Picks (HBAP) should be DAPPer. Dinwiddie, Allen, Prince and Picks.

Dinwiddie is very expendable. 1 more year and sure to be UFA after he opts out. He may want his own team in his prime before it's too late. Allen will be a RFA but he may push to move if Jordan is still starting or taking his minutes and we will be paying major taxes on any contract he gets. Prince is great filler as he's a short two year medium sized deal. Picks can be 1sts and 2nds.

Gordon and T.Ross
For
Dinwiddie, Allen, Prince, #19, 2 2nds

Irving l LeVert l TJ or Chiozza l J.Martin²
Harris l Ross l J.Crawford?
Gordon l TLC l Musa
Durant l AG l Kurucs
Jordan l MLE l Claxton

We'd have depth for days

Guys who can play..

PG
Irving, LeVert, we probably keep 1 of Tyler Johnson or Chiozza.

SG
Harris, LeVert, T.Ross, TLC, Musa, maybe Jamal Crawford if we sign him.

SF
Harris, KD, Gordon, TLC, Musa, LeVert, T.Ross

PF
KD, AG, Kurucs, Claxton, hell Harris and TLC played some PF in the bubble.

C
Jordan, KD, Claxton, Kurucs and I'm sure we'd sign a veteran back up lile Baynes, Plumlee, Millsap, etc.

No offense but that's an awful trade, not much different from the incredibly lopsided trades I've seen on T&T board. We're giving up way too much for what we're getting there. Dinwiddie and Allen are the two best players in that trade, and we're giving them a 1st on top of it, on top of two 2nds. That is overpay for Jrue Holiday, let alone Aaron Gordon and Terrence Ross, two barely above average rotation players. I don't care that Dinwiddie is an expiring contract, only 1 year of him is still potentially incredibly valuable to us, in terms of how he can help a contender.

We have so many playmakers in Irving, LeVert and likely some of Chiozza, TJ, J.Crawford, Dinwiddie is a luxury IMO.
I think T.Ross is incrediibly underrated as a 3&D guy we need.

The way I look at the value:
Prince + #19 is basically neutral/slightly positive value... so add the 2nds and we come close to T.Ross who is locked in on a reasonable deal.
That leaves Dinwiddie + Allen for Gordon, which I think is extremely fair. There aren't many defenders or athletes like Gordon out there. That part of the deal slightly favors Orlando, while I think the 1st part slightly favor us. Close enough in my book, but again I think I'm much higher on Ross than most.

I don't disagree with the sentiment that we have too many playmakers, and we need to make a trade. But this isn't the right move, not at the value being given up. Terrence Ross really isn't much of a 3&D player, and I like the guy. He's a really good shooter, with his ability to hit 3s on the move, but he's still a below average efficiency player overall, and stats don't rate him as a plus defender. I would still take him for cheap on this team, but that's the opposite of cheap.

And then Aaron Gordon, who is even worse offensively than Ross, in terms of efficiency. In his 5 seasons in the NBA, that has been the case with Gordon too, he is just not a good offensive player. He's a good defender, with potential to be really good defensively, I'll give you that. But again, given what we're giving up here, his massive salary relative to his impact, this move is far from worth it. And I'm not even sure what Gordon's value will be here, considering that we'll likely play KD at 4 down the stretch, and that's Gordon's only position. You list him as a SF option, but between KD and Joe Harris, I don't see why we'd play him there, especially when his offensively skillset isn't that of a SF. Obviously positions don't matter as much anymore with all the flexibility, but I would still prioritize KD and Joe Harris over him, positionally.

[Trader_Joe]

No offense but that's an awful trade, not much different from the incredibly lopsided trades I've seen on T&T board. We're giving up way too much for what we're getting there. Dinwiddie and Allen are the two best players in that trade, and we're giving them a 1st on top of it, on top of two 2nds. That is overpay for Jrue Holiday, let alone Aaron Gordon and Terrence Ross, two barely above average rotation players. I don't care that Dinwiddie is an expiring contract, only 1 year of him is still potentially incredibly valuable to us, in terms of how he can help a contender.

We have so many playmakers in Irving, LeVert and likely some of Chiozza, TJ, J.Crawford, Dinwiddie is a luxury IMO.
I think T.Ross is incrediibly underrated as a 3&D guy we need.

The way I look at the value:
Prince + #19 is basically neutral/slightly positive value... so add the 2nds and we come close to T.Ross who is locked in on a reasonable deal.
That leaves Dinwiddie + Allen for Gordon, which I think is extremely fair. There aren't many defenders or athletes like Gordon out there. That part of the deal slightly favors Orlando, while I think the 1st part slightly favor us. Close enough in my book, but again I think I'm much higher on Ross than most.

I don't disagree with the sentiment that we have too many playmakers, and we need to make a trade. But this isn't the right move, not at the value being given up. Terrence Ross really isn't much of a 3&D player, and I like the guy. He's a really good shooter, with his ability to hit 3s on the move, but he's still a below average efficiency player overall, and stats don't rate him as a plus defender. I would still take him for cheap on this team, but that's the opposite of cheap.

And then Aaron Gordon, who is even worse offensively than Ross, in terms of efficiency. In his 5 seasons in the NBA, that has been the case with Gordon too, he is just not a good offensive player. He's a good defender, with potential to be really good defensively, I'll give you that. But again, given what we're giving up here, his massive salary relative to his impact, this move is far from worth it. And I'm not even sure what Gordon's value will be here, considering that we'll likely play KD at 4 down the stretch, and that's Gordon's only position. You list him as a SF option, but between KD and Joe Harris, I don't see why we'd play him there, especially when his offensively skillset isn't that of a SF. Obviously positions don't matter as much anymore with all the flexibility, but I would still prioritize KD and Joe Harris over him, positionally.

AG isn't really a SF, no, but KD isn't really a PF. They are both Forwards IMO. AG has very good ball handling and can be a low usage offensive player on offense. We have 3 guys who can shoot 40% from 3, while we lack an above the rim player on offense who can run like a gazelle. On D, I want a big player who can handle the teams best offensive threat. LBJ, Giannis, Kawhi, Tatum, Butler, Siakam, etc. I want someone with size as opposed to Holiday or Oladipo. I don't want KD to burdened with that. I also want someone who can play full time PF in case KD needs to sit. I'd like Covington, but I know he will cost a ransom. I think AG is much more attainable, but who knows what the Magic are aiming to do with Isaac down.

I know Ross doesn't have a great rep as a defender but the size is there as in the athletic ability. I also trust our performance team to make these guys better players so I'm looking for guys with the tools. Ross is locked-in which is key and just above MLE. I'll take that.

Minute-wise:

Irving (32) / LeVert (16)
Harris (32) / LeVert (16)
AG (12) / Ross (24) / TLC (12)
KD (28) / AG (20)
Jordan (28) / MLE (20)

Something like that with Chiozza or TJ, Musa, Kurucs, Claxton getting minutes when needed.

[ProspectPark]

We have so many playmakers in Irving, LeVert and likely some of Chiozza, TJ, J.Crawford, Dinwiddie is a luxury IMO.
I think T.Ross is incrediibly underrated as a 3&D guy we need.

The way I look at the value:
Prince + #19 is basically neutral/slightly positive value... so add the 2nds and we come close to T.Ross who is locked in on a reasonable deal.
That leaves Dinwiddie + Allen for Gordon, which I think is extremely fair. There aren't many defenders or athletes like Gordon out there. That part of the deal slightly favors Orlando, while I think the 1st part slightly favor us. Close enough in my book, but again I think I'm much higher on Ross than most.

I don't disagree with the sentiment that we have too many playmakers, and we need to make a trade. But this isn't the right move, not at the value being given up. Terrence Ross really isn't much of a 3&D player, and I like the guy. He's a really good shooter, with his ability to hit 3s on the move, but he's still a below average efficiency player overall, and stats don't rate him as a plus defender. I would still take him for cheap on this team, but that's the opposite of cheap.

And then Aaron Gordon, who is even worse offensively than Ross, in terms of efficiency. In his 5 seasons in the NBA, that has been the case with Gordon too, he is just not a good offensive player. He's a good defender, with potential to be really good defensively, I'll give you that. But again, given what we're giving up here, his massive salary relative to his impact, this move is far from worth it. And I'm not even sure what Gordon's value will be here, considering that we'll likely play KD at 4 down the stretch, and that's Gordon's only position. You list him as a SF option, but between KD and Joe Harris, I don't see why we'd play him there, especially when his offensively skillset isn't that of a SF. Obviously positions don't matter as much anymore with all the flexibility, but I would still prioritize KD and Joe Harris over him, positionally.

AG isn't really a SF, no, but KD isn't really a PF. They are both Forwards IMO. AG has very good ball handling and can be a low usage offensive player on offense. We have 3 guys who can shoot 40% from 3, while we lack an above the rim player on offense who can run like a gazelle. On D, I want a big player who can handle the teams best offensive threat. LBJ, Giannis, Kawhi, Tatum, Butler, Siakam, etc. I want someone with size as opposed to Holiday or Oladipo. I don't want KD to burdened with that. I also want someone who can play full time PF in case KD needs to sit. I'd like Covington, but I know he will cost a ransom. I think AG is much more attainable, but who knows what the Magic are aiming to do with Isaac down.

I know Ross doesn't have a great rep as a defender but the size is there as in the athletic ability. I also trust our performance team to make these guys better players so I'm looking for guys with the tools. Ross is locked-in which is key and just above MLE. I'll take that.

Minute-wise:

Irving (32) / LeVert (16)
Harris (32) / LeVert (16)
AG (12) / Ross (24) / TLC (12)
KD (28) / AG (20)
Jordan (28) / MLE (20)

Something like that with Chiozza or TJ, Musa, Kurucs, Claxton getting minutes when needed.

If we could make this trade without including Allen, then it would be something the front office would at least have to think about.

[DarkXaero]

We have so many playmakers in Irving, LeVert and likely some of Chiozza, TJ, J.Crawford, Dinwiddie is a luxury IMO.
I think T.Ross is incrediibly underrated as a 3&D guy we need.

The way I look at the value:
Prince + #19 is basically neutral/slightly positive value... so add the 2nds and we come close to T.Ross who is locked in on a reasonable deal.
That leaves Dinwiddie + Allen for Gordon, which I think is extremely fair. There aren't many defenders or athletes like Gordon out there. That part of the deal slightly favors Orlando, while I think the 1st part slightly favor us. Close enough in my book, but again I think I'm much higher on Ross than most.

I don't disagree with the sentiment that we have too many playmakers, and we need to make a trade. But this isn't the right move, not at the value being given up. Terrence Ross really isn't much of a 3&D player, and I like the guy. He's a really good shooter, with his ability to hit 3s on the move, but he's still a below average efficiency player overall, and stats don't rate him as a plus defender. I would still take him for cheap on this team, but that's the opposite of cheap.

And then Aaron Gordon, who is even worse offensively than Ross, in terms of efficiency. In his 5 seasons in the NBA, that has been the case with Gordon too, he is just not a good offensive player. He's a good defender, with potential to be really good defensively, I'll give you that. But again, given what we're giving up here, his massive salary relative to his impact, this move is far from worth it. And I'm not even sure what Gordon's value will be here, considering that we'll likely play KD at 4 down the stretch, and that's Gordon's only position. You list him as a SF option, but between KD and Joe Harris, I don't see why we'd play him there, especially when his offensively skillset isn't that of a SF. Obviously positions don't matter as much anymore with all the flexibility, but I would still prioritize KD and Joe Harris over him, positionally.

AG isn't really a SF, no, but KD isn't really a PF. They are both Forwards IMO. AG has very good ball handling and can be a low usage offensive player on offense. We have 3 guys who can shoot 40% from 3, while we lack an above the rim player on offense who can run like a gazelle. On D, I want a big player who can handle the teams best offensive threat. LBJ, Giannis, Kawhi, Tatum, Butler, Siakam, etc. I want someone with size as opposed to Holiday or Oladipo. I don't want KD to burdened with that. I also want someone who can play full time PF in case KD needs to sit. I'd like Covington, but I know he will cost a ransom. I think AG is much more attainable, but who knows what the Magic are aiming to do with Isaac down.

I know Ross doesn't have a great rep as a defender but the size is there as in the athletic ability. I also trust our performance team to make these guys better players so I'm looking for guys with the tools. Ross is locked-in which is key and just above MLE. I'll take that.

Minute-wise:

Irving (32) / LeVert (16)
Harris (32) / LeVert (16)
AG (12) / Ross (24) / TLC (12)
KD (28) / AG (20)
Jordan (28) / MLE (20)

Something like that with Chiozza or TJ, Musa, Kurucs, Claxton getting minutes when needed.

KD is more of a PF in modern NBA than AG is a SF. AG has good ball handling skills for a 4, KD has good ball handling skills period. We do have two rim runners on our team already, and you want to get rid of one of them in this trade. I understand the idea of trading for AG, like I've said, I'm not even opposed to getting those two players (I've suggested trading for both of them multiple times in the past), but it's a firm no at that price. I get that AG can do a good job defending elite forwards in the league, but there are better, cheaper ways to get that, without as much compromise.

Maybe whoever we can get might not be as good as AG at defending, but what really matters is the overall strength & balance of our roster. By getting rid of Dinwiddie, Allen, Prince, plus the 19th pick, for AG & Ross, we're not only losing our depth but getting worse overall. You're discarding Allen like he isn't an important defensive piece for us, and the only true rim protector on this team. So our interior defense already gets worse by making this trade. Whoever you're getting with the MLE there isn't going to replace the rim protection of Allen or his ability to switch to perimeter guys effectively as a center.

Also, since you brought up Covington as the ideal choice but an unrealistic possibility before, I don't think he's unrealistic at all. Morey is gone from Houston, and they don't have a single serviceable center on that roster. Fertita recently did a public interview where he name dropped Harden, Westbrook, PJ Tucker, and Eric Gordon as part of Houston's core, but didn't mention Covington. If we're trading Allen, that's the way better move to make. Houston had to give up Capela and a 1st round pick to get RoCo, I think Allen holds more value than Capela, and we can offer them additional assets to improve on what Houston had to give up for RoCo.

[therealbig3]

So it’s funny, the biggest moves happening for this team is in terms of the coaching staff, absolutely nothing exciting from a roster standpoint lol.

I guess the things I would want to see is to re-sign Harris, and then either A. re-sign Dinwiddie to an extension, B. trade Dinwiddie as part of a package for someone like Holiday or Covington C. trade Levert as part of a package for someone like Holiday or Covington, or D. trade both Dinwiddie and Levert as part of a package for someone like Beal or Embiid or Simmons. I’m assuming Allen would have to be included in any of these deals.

As I said before, I really would rather not trade Dinwiddie and Allen, but I really don’t think having both Dinwiddie and Levert makes a lot of sense. One of them should be moved, and if we can get someone like Holiday or Covington, then we should do it. The Finals kind of made me see that a big like Allen can get exposed and may not be as valuable as I thought.

[TheNetsFan]

So it’s funny, the biggest moves happening for this team is in terms of the coaching staff, absolutely nothing exciting from a roster standpoint lol.

I guess the things I would want to see is to re-sign Harris, and then either A. re-sign Dinwiddie to an extension, B. trade Dinwiddie as part of a package for someone like Holiday or Covington C. trade Levert as part of a package for someone like Holiday or Covington, or D. trade both Dinwiddie and Levert as part of a package for someone like Beal or Embiid or Simmons. I’m assuming Allen would have to be included in any of these deals.

As I said before, I really would rather not trade Dinwiddie and Allen, but I really don’t think having both Dinwiddie and Levert makes a lot of sense. One of them should be moved, and if we can get someone like Holiday or Covington, then we should do it. The Finals kind of made me see that a big like Allen can get exposed and may not be as valuable as I thought.

The Nets made enough roster moves last offseason. This offseason they're getting KD & Kyrie back healthy. Harris will be retained. I could see Dinwiddie being moved, and some tinkering around the edges, but that's it.

[DarkXaero]

So it’s funny, the biggest moves happening for this team is in terms of the coaching staff, absolutely nothing exciting from a roster standpoint lol.

I guess the things I would want to see is to re-sign Harris, and then either A. re-sign Dinwiddie to an extension, B. trade Dinwiddie as part of a package for someone like Holiday or Covington C. trade Levert as part of a package for someone like Holiday or Covington, or D. trade both Dinwiddie and Levert as part of a package for someone like Beal or Embiid or Simmons. I’m assuming Allen would have to be included in any of these deals.

As I said before, I really would rather not trade Dinwiddie and Allen, but I really don’t think having both Dinwiddie and Levert makes a lot of sense. One of them should be moved, and if we can get someone like Holiday or Covington, then we should do it. The Finals kind of made me see that a big like Allen can get exposed and may not be as valuable as I thought.

I mean off season has yet to really start, there will be a lot of trade speculation leading up to draft, and so on. I'll be very surprised if we keep our 1st round pick for starters.

Also, I'm not sure what exactly in the NBA finals made you think that a center like Allen isn't as valuable as you thought he would be.

[kamaze]

Jarret Allen runs like a gazelle, is an above the rim athlete on offense. On defense he's only the teams best defender and blocks your favorite player's shot.

[MrDollarBills]

So it’s funny, the biggest moves happening for this team is in terms of the coaching staff, absolutely nothing exciting from a roster standpoint lol.

I guess the things I would want to see is to re-sign Harris, and then either A. re-sign Dinwiddie to an extension, B. trade Dinwiddie as part of a package for someone like Holiday or Covington C. trade Levert as part of a package for someone like Holiday or Covington, or D. trade both Dinwiddie and Levert as part of a package for someone like Beal or Embiid or Simmons. I’m assuming Allen would have to be included in any of these deals.

As I said before, I really would rather not trade Dinwiddie and Allen, but I really don’t think having both Dinwiddie and Levert makes a lot of sense. One of them should be moved, and if we can get someone like Holiday or Covington, then we should do it. The Finals kind of made me see that a big like Allen can get exposed and may not be as valuable as I thought.

I mean off season has yet to really start, there will be a lot of trade speculation leading up to draft, and so on. I'll be very surprised if we keep our 1st round pick for starters.

Also, I'm not sure what exactly in the NBA finals made you think that a center like Allen isn't as valuable as you thought he would be.

If anything, we need to have size if we're going to match up with LA.

[kamaze]

Why worry about matching up with the Lakers we'll play them what 2 times?

[Paradise]

Why worry about matching up with the Lakers we'll play them what 2 times?

[kamaze]

Why worry about matching up with the Lakers we'll play them what 2 times?

Is that how you explain yourself?

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Why worry about matching up with the Lakers we'll play them what 2 times?

Is that how you explain yourself?

Since when did the Finals become a 2 game series?

We’re not a regular season team anymore...

[MrDollarBills]

If we want to win a championship we need to be worried about the Lakers.

[ecuhus1981]

If we want to win a championship we need to be worried about the Lakers.

Exactly, and the Lake show will be even more difficult to beat next season, after attracting a few ring chasing vetsin few agency this offseason. What if they replace Markieff with Millsap? Studly Dudley with Jae Crowder? Rondo with Dragic? Pope with an actual, real life starting SG?

We're foolish to believe we can rest on our laurels, when we haven't even reached the heights that Los Angeles will be attempting to repeat. The Clippers, Heat, Bucks, Sixers, Celtics and Nuggets are all clamoring to improve this offseason, as well. We need to make bold moves, before the options to make moves are gobbled up by other would-be Champs.

[DarkXaero]

I don't think the Lakers are going to be better next season, but regardless, they should not be taken lightly. Assuming that Lebron continues to defy father time, and AD can stay relatively injury free again, they're still a strong contender. They already had ring chasing vets, I think they have to worry about retaining them first. Their room for improvement is limited because they lack trade assets, and there's only so much you can do with the MLE.

[Prokorov]

I still think our version of Humphries, Brooks and Picks (HBAP) should be DAPPer. Dinwiddie, Allen, Prince and Picks.

Dinwiddie is very expendable. 1 more year and sure to be UFA after he opts out. He may want his own team in his prime before it's too late. Allen will be a RFA but he may push to move if Jordan is still starting or taking his minutes and we will be paying major taxes on any contract he gets. Prince is great filler as he's a short two year medium sized deal. Picks can be 1sts and 2nds.

Gordon and T.Ross
For
Dinwiddie, Allen, Prince, #19, 2 2nds

Irving l LeVert l TJ or Chiozza l J.Martin²
Harris l Ross l J.Crawford?
Gordon l TLC l Musa
Durant l AG l Kurucs
Jordan l MLE l Claxton

We'd have depth for days

Guys who can play..

PG
Irving, LeVert, we probably keep 1 of Tyler Johnson or Chiozza.

SG
Harris, LeVert, T.Ross, TLC, Musa, maybe Jamal Crawford if we sign him.

SF
Harris, KD, Gordon, TLC, Musa, LeVert, T.Ross

PF
KD, AG, Kurucs, Claxton, hell Harris and TLC played some PF in the bubble.

C
Jordan, KD, Claxton, Kurucs and I'm sure we'd sign a veteran back up lile Baynes, Plumlee, Millsap, etc.

No offense but that's an awful trade, not much different from the incredibly lopsided trades I've seen on T&T board. We're giving up way too much for what we're getting there. Dinwiddie and Allen are the two best players in that trade, and we're giving them a 1st on top of it, on top of two 2nds. That is overpay for Jrue Holiday, let alone Aaron Gordon and Terrence Ross, two barely above average rotation players. I don't care that Dinwiddie is an expiring contract, only 1 year of him is still potentially incredibly valuable to us, in terms of how he can help a contender.

It is truly an awful trade... just for the magic.

They give up ross and gordon for a rental of 2 role players and a bunch of non-lotto picks including #19 in a terrible draft and take on princes contrace.

what exactly about this deal helps them?

[kamaze]

If we want to win a championship we need to be worried about the Lakers.

How do you figure? It's not etched in stone they'll be there.