Carmelo Anthony Thread (Merging)

[enetric]

Melo is a Nuggest player with a contract so they DO have leverage. And an offer of Murphy and James is gonna get you nothing, get real.

You really need to educate yourself more on the cap and how the NBA is structured. If you did...you wouldnt say so many dopey things.

Melo has leverage because of the expring contract. He has to be salary matched for around 21mil within 25% from all but two NBA teams.

That means...that shoudl Melo say...you made a trade? OK GREAT! Where? OK...no problem.

New team calls Melo's agent...and agent says...NAH he doesnt want to do an extension with you. Team hangs up the phone and says hey Denver...DEAL IS OFF.

Denver's list of teams they can actually get to bite are...whoever Melo will do an extension with....plus any team insane enough to give up that much of their payroll without one.

Since I do not believe there a GM in the land willing to do that...its MELO'S LIST.

He isnt demanding a trade. He is happy to stay in Denver for the year and then see what's going on. He hasnt clsed any doors. He is just refusing to do an extension with Denver now. They are the ones panicing. So what leverage do they have?????

[Lamak]

As I stated earlier in this thread, I'm tired of this ongoing saga, but now I honestly don't know if I want him here or not. I don't think he's worth the amount we're giving up for him, but at the same time Favors could bust and Harris is replaceable. A core of Augustin/T-Will/Melo/Lopez seems better than Harris/T-Will/Favors/Lopez. As usual though, the X-Factor in this trade is Favors.

[enetric]

Yea and CP3 will follow Melo when its his turn to be in the media every day.

And what can we give up for CP3 again after the majority of our tradable assets have gone to a team when it didn't need to?

CP3 and Deron will be free agents in 2 years and we still have a **** load of draft picks, James, Twitt, Outlaw and plenty of other tradable assest.

We are giving up 2 players and maybe a pick for 1 superstar. You're acting like we're trading the whole team.

We wont have the cap room in 2 years. A trade is the only option. And WHY are those teams trading those guys THIS year when we have the Troy expring and prospect to parlay?

[Basileus777]

One source close to the talks in Melo-to-New Jersey proposed four-way deal: "It either happens by Monday or the deal falls apart."

Another source: Melo warming to idea of Nets, whose planned move to Brooklyn in two years under Russian billionaire Prokhorov is strong lure

But source says Melo hoping Knicks or Bulls, his top choices, lodge last-ditch trade bids this weekend. Melo really wants to play w/Amare

Problem for Knicks and Bulls, however, hasn't changed. Knicks don't have first-round picks to sweeten deal and Bulls will NOT part w/Jo Noah

From Stein on twitter.

[enetric]

Melo is a Nuggest player with a contract so they DO have leverage. And an offer of Murphy and James is gonna get you nothing, get real.

And Melo expires next year, he could easily leave the Nuggets with nothing in return and move on to a different team next year, that's barely 'having leverage' there.

An offer of Murphy, James, plus 1st round picks satisfies the 2 most important aspects of rebuilding, especially when you're about to trade your star:

Firstly, it gets you an expiring contract, so that some cap relief can be made.

Secondly, it gives gets you youth and potential talent.

This offer satisfies those criteria and is sure as hell a better offer than the Bulls and Knicks could offer.

I think your offer is still a bit low. I think Gallo and one pick beats two picks and James at this point.

Troy treat like an expiring. Yes...more valuable to re-trade than say Curry...but that assumes they want to trade him for more salary commitment. Otherwise...he is just an expiring to them who happens to be a good player.

You have to deal with the rest of it. Upgrade James to Twill lets say. Or Devin over Troy. give them the picks..fine. or Twil and James.

That to me gets it done over these other teams who Melo would take an extension from. Have to beat their offers.

[enetric]

They didnt exactly have Melo and Brook starting next to them did they now?

New details on the proposed trade is that Hayes rights and Ross (2 zero min. guys) would be including and Auguistine would be in NJ. Only 1 pick the GS 1.

So
Melo + Augstine
for
Devin + Favors + GSpick + (Hayes and Ross)

Not giving up Murphy or Humph should leave a nice bit of cap for next year too.

Deal is not official incase anyone wondered, info from Iananzzone twitter.

They would have some cap room yes. But for who in 2011 is that much of an upgrade over Troy?

In 2012...we wouldnt have the space for Paul or Derron. You are forgetting the 23mil Melo will e making by then.

[enetric]

This is a joke. Harris + Favors and I'm guessing our picks for Melo? Seriously King? Really gonna let us be stuck in mediocrity with no end in sight for 5+ years? I hope to God Melo doesn't sign that extension so this deal doesn't go through.

What is it with everyone in here and "stuck in mediocrity"??? The team thats put in place now wont even be able to reach mediocrity. Adding Melo now doesnt make the Nets an instant contender but it makes them a whole lot better and attractive for other players to want to play for. We all have high expectations for Favors, but what if he turns out to be the next Sam Bowie? I hope thats not true no matter where he plays, but its a possibility. Why take the chance on the kid when you can have the proven all star???

It's nothing to do with being stuck in mediocrity, it's more of, if we get Melo, we need another star to compete against the Lakers and Heat. This then makes it harder to acquire that because we will have much fewer attractive assets (assuming we trade Favors or Harris and the 1st rounders) and if NO are going to trade CP3, we will need some young prospects and attractive draft picks going the other way.

Basically, we can still offer the best package for Melo without having to give up too much and hat's the annoying thing. We can use Favors for example to lure in a CP3 or a DWill rather than Melo wou could be had for much less value.

Lets be honest. Even with another star.....we arent competing with the Heat. We are about to witness a dynasty. The best chance to combat that...take your time and become LOADED with players on your roster. You can do that if you have great talent on rookie contracts. Not by paying ONE 26 year old 22mil, or 40% of your cap. And if the CBA does radically effect max salaries?

Does anyone realize how relatively screwed we would be in the market? There would be teams that could build much better rosters for much less if THEIR top guy was only able to make 10 or 15mil.

[Basileus777]

The management is thinking about building for 2012 when they move to Brooklyn. Waiting 4 years to wait until the Heat start to fade isn't really an option. You can't ignore the business and marketing aspect here.

[enetric]

Well if this deal goes down, all the Thorn hate is going to make people realize how good he was, because IMO Thorn would have been able to get Melo without Favors.

If this deal goes down I'm going to be forced to trade my avi in for something along these lines...

Amen brother....

But...do we have more than ONE Thorn hater? I think most if not all our posters are smart enough to know how good we had it.

[Netaman]

The management is thinking about building for 2012 when they move to Brooklyn. Waiting 4 years to wait until the Heat start to fade isn't really an option. You can't ignore the business and marketing aspect here.

It's also hard to waste those 4 years if you believe Lopez is legit. a) obviously non-competing might simply lose him. b) it's wasting year's of a star player's career.

IF they believe Lopez can be an impact player on the level of Laker's version of Pau, getting Melo is obviously worth it. Getting those 2 together for 4 years in their 20's could lead to something special. It would also obviously necessitate the need to find a star guard to balance the team.

[enetric]

Well if this deal goes down, all the Thorn hate is going to make people realize how good he was, because IMO Thorn would have been able to get Melo without Favors.

If this deal goes down I'm going to be forced to trade my avi in for something along these lines...

Thorn and his (Please Use More Appropriate Word) contract for Outlaw are a big reason Nets need to involve 3rd and 4th teams. **** Thorn.

And right on cue...the one ignorant poster we have who DOESNT know jack....

[enetric]

Call me crazy, but with Harris + Favors going out in this proposed deal, what's the incentive for Melo to sign an extension? Hopefully, he doesn't sign an extension unless we take back one of them (which might collapse this trade at all).

Its EXACTLY what I was thinking Rich. Why do it?

[enetric]

We are going to have some serious three point shooting next year with this deal done. And this team has the potential to be better than the nuggets. Get it done.

When did Melo become a SERIOUS 3 point shooter???? How does this deal improve us in that area?

[enetric]

I'm kind of mehh regarding this deal. We're getting absolutely robbed if we have to include draft picks along with Harris and Favors..

its so impulsve. Its exactly what we feared about King. Its repeating the same mistakes. DO THIS NOW...and worry about what we need to fix later. Its the Nix of the last decade.

There is NO rush to make this deal. NONE.

[enetric]

Call me crazy, but with Harris + Favors going out in this proposed deal, what's the incentive for Melo to sign an extension? Hopefully, he doesn't sign an extension unless we take back one of them (which might collapse this trade at all).

The incentive is that we have 13 other players besides Devin and Favors.

I dont get the resistance here. All of last year people couldn't shut their mouths about how bad and overrated Devin is. Now all of the sudden is he an all-star again that you dont wanna give up for Melo?

You dont get it because you dont listen. Its not Devin. ITS FAVORS.

Devin is fine. The picks are fine. And add another prospect is fine. NOT FAVORS ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT. Only have to beat the teams on Melo's list. We can do that...WITHOUT Favors in the mix.

[The Rebel]

Melo is a Nuggest player with a contract so they DO have leverage. And an offer of Murphy and James is gonna get you nothing, get real.

You really need to educate yourself more on the cap and how the NBA is structured. If you did...you wouldnt say so many dopey things.

Melo has leverage because of the expring contract. He has to be salary matched for around 21mil within 25% from all but two NBA teams.

That means...that shoudl Melo say...you made a trade? OK GREAT! Where? OK...no problem.

New team calls Melo's agent...and agent says...NAH he doesnt want to do an extension with you. Team hangs up the phone and says hey Denver...DEAL IS OFF.

Denver's list of teams they can actually get to bite are...whoever Melo will do an extension with....plus any team insane enough to give up that much of their payroll without one.

Since I do not believe there a GM in the land willing to do that...its MELO'S LIST.

He isnt demanding a trade. He is happy to stay in Denver for the year and then see what's going on. He hasnt clsed any doors. He is just refusing to do an extension with Denver now. They are the ones panicing. So what leverage do they have?????

Melo's contract is for $16.7 million or so right now.

Also Melo is worried about losing the max extension that is available now, as compared to what could be available with the new CBA, leaving Denver more leverage than the average team in this case.

[enetric]

I'm kind of mehh regarding this deal. We're getting absolutely robbed if we have to include draft picks along with Harris and Favors..

The only upside is having expirings for a trade. New Orleans may want pure cap space by deadline though, which we can't give with the Murphy signing. Those expirings won't do well with cap space with Melo signing a HUGE extension (I don't see him here without one). Even with some type of cap space, 2011 Free Agency doesn't look amazing in terms of unrestricted free agents.

The thing is though...look around the league. There are tons of expiring contracts. You have to beat the compensation from those teams. If you deal Favors, Devin, our 2011 and the GSW pick...what can we offer?

You better hope they LOVE Outlaw and his 28 mil remaining for 4 more years at that point.

Yeah, Twil, James...and a 2013 pick are possible as well. But if the KNicks offer say Randolph AND Gallo? Then what?

And there are many others with exprings...or cap space or TE's. Of course, this is absolutely the NEXT thing you try to do. You call about Paul once a week. doesnt mean we have the goods at that point.

[enetric]

We are going to have some serious three point shooting next year with this deal done. And this team has the potential to be better than the nuggets. Get it done.

Why would Carmelo improve our 3 point shooting, when he's putrid in that area.

Haha, dude, I was just going to quote him and post almost the identical thing.

LOL..I actually did...since I comment as I read...

[enetric]

The Nets definitely seem to be giving away a lot, potentially two cornerstone players. But you have to give up a lot to get a player like Anthony, who could be the linchpin to attracting Chris Paul to Newark or Brooklyn.

That is definitely a part of the Nets’ plan.

Also, it’s believed that Anthony, who can become a free agent after this season, would sign with the Knicks if he plays out his contract. The Nets can’t and won’t take that chance.

http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/inth ... y_brewing/

All this makes me wonder how much of this deal is simply to keep him away from the Knicks. It has to be on their minds with the move to Brooklyn.

Its really idititic if thats the case. A 3 year deal...2 of them in NJ. So? This great fear about having talent to go to Brooklyn with? A year into Brooklyn he is a free agent. How would marketing go down if he left FOR the Knicks at that point? Now...this isnt a reason not to do the deal. But...certainly...anything that pressures you into making a deal in this league to prevent someobne else from getting him? This isnt the Yankees blocking the Red Sox.

That stuff doesnt work in this league...

[enetric]

The final significant hurdle for a blockbuster four-team trade that would send Carmelo Anthony(notes) to the New Jersey Nets hinges on the All-Star forward’s willingness to agree to a contract extension with the Nets, two front-office executives involved in the deal told Yahoo! Sports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... hony092410

Woj's latest update.

Get it done, then bring in CP3.

Now imagine of we never signed Troy...and could offer 15 mil in pure cap savings plus Lee? Makes it a lot easier to retain Favors for another deal or to be part of the future...doesnt it?