A petition for the firing Billy King (please help us)

[kamaze]

They have some good young players that BK could use if the opportunity strikes pull the trigger.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Billy King sucks. Mostly because of the Wallace trade and he vastly overpaid in the Boston trade. And yes he should be fired.

But the team's issues go way beyond him. That team he built in 2014 should have been a championship contender. I honestly put the majority of the failure on Deron Williams. King built him a good team expecting Deron to play like a superstar. He ended up playing like a complete scrub and because of that we could never get anywhere.

deron flopped and thats not on billy, but our ability to rebound from it was completely submarined by what he did in the wallace deal.

i also think he should have went all or nothing on dwight. not many chances to get the games best big/top 5 player in his prime.

Well thats basically what I said man. The Wallace deal was the killer. But lets say he didnt make the Wallace deal. And we get Dwight.

Are we contending for a championships if Deron plays the way he played? No.

[kerry kittles]

Once Billy went all in with Deron, Joe and Lopez we were married to this team until next year when we have cap space to reset the roster. I dont know what people expect King to do since the Boston trade.

The whole Kidd situation happened because Kidd is and has always been a world class azzhole. King never wanted Kidd, the higher ups did, and it set us back a year.

Hollins is doing what he was brought in to do, maximize our best assets. Lopez has played his best ball under Hollins and has done so consistantly for the last 40+ games.

We are moving in the right direction and the draft picks arent really going to be an issue if we sign quality free agents over the next two years. He was mandated into the moves he made by management so his failures are the owners as well. The owner isnt going to fire himself so dont expect King to be either.

There was no way of knowing that DWill would be the next Barron Davis or that Lopez would break his foot twice. Joe has had a good run as a Net and we all knew the last year or so of his deal that he might decline by the end of his contract. They didnt make that deal with 20015 in mind, they made it to be competitive in the first 2 years of his contract.

People harp on the Wallace trade way too much. Even if he were to have played at his all-star season level it wouldnt have made a difference. He was a tertiary player and not your primary or even second best player. It's the equivalent of complaining about a broke tail light when the car doesnt have an engine.

The Boston trade could be potentially bad but that remains to be seen. All Boston has to show for it so far is James Young who is a big bust. Im not throwing this season away after 4 games like most of you have already. I thought this was a 500 team before the season started and still think it will be. 500 teams are going to have 3,4 and even 5 game losing streaks during their seasons. Just because it happens at the beginning of the season doesnt change that. It's not like we lost to the Sixers and Blazers. We lost to 3 of the few teams who have a legit chance at winning it all and lost a close game to the Bucks.

As we have seen with our team in previous seasons as well as other teams, a roster with a lot of turnover takes time to gel. People complained about RHJ's playing time last game but I heard from a friend that was at the game that he mouthed back to Hollins in the first half. Hollins didnt put him back in until the very last garbage minutes. We arent seeing the world through King's and Hollin's eyes so we wouldnt know that. I cant speak for you'll but I would have done the same thing in Hollin's shoes. That might have cost us a potential win now but in the long run it will benefit us because RHJ will learn not to be a diva.

I think King put us in good position moving forward. The Boston trade happened 2 seasons ago. Since then King did what he should have done. People over reacted all of last year about Atlanta getting our pick and all that manifested itself into was Tim Hardaway Jr. I dont think many of us would have complained about drafting RHJ at that spot so we really didnt lose anything. The same thing is likely to happen again this year. Even if the Nets have the worst record in the NBA, the Celtics are only going to have a 25% chance to get the 1st pick. You would think people who lived in the NY/NJ area last year would realize that when all you heard about was the Knicks getting a top 2 pick. How did that work out? I still think we finish with 38-44 wins this season which may not be good enough to make the playoffs but should mean the Celtics get another C level player in the draft.

This season might suck but it's all about the future. Lopez looks like one of the best centers in the NBA right now (21.7 PER / 60.4% TS / 20.5 pts and 8.2 reb per 36) and has a lot of room to improve. Between Lopez and RHJ, we have some building blocks to work with. People obsess over Jack and Joe but they arent going to be a part of the future of the team. Bogs is still a question mark. He has looked good at times and bad as well. He has this season to work it out. If he doesnt then he is an expiring; team friendly contract. McCullough is a lottery ticket and the Nets not extending Karasev was a positive sign that King is running things and not the Russians. Im fine with King moving forward and dont see any reason to fire him.

It doesn't matter what Atlanta did with that pick swap. It's about what we could've done and that's draft a PG like Grant or Wright. We don't have great means to acquire a PG for the future. We could've still got RHJ by trading Plumlee.

It's Wright/Grant + RHJ instead of McCullough + RHJ.

People complain about the Wallace trade because we could use a Harrison Barnes. We could use the pick to trade in other more worthwhile deals like the Harden deal that happened that offseason. We didn't need a Wallace.

People complain about the Wallace contract which you leave out because we had to give the Celtics a 1st to move him. He's currently in the last year of that contract and out of the league. 4 years to a declining, 30 year old Wallace whose game was based so much on declining athleticism was a good idea?!?

And good luck on the .500 prediction. This isn't a 40 win team

Grant is 23 and Wright turns 24 in April. What kind of upside do they have? top 15 to 20 starting PG? Payne was the last PG with big upside and he was long gone. Grant and Wright would have been the better short term option and maybe gotten us a 5-7 seed. At the end of the year we are still looking to upgrade PG. Yeah we could have gotten both a PG + RHJ but then we wouldnt have made the second round. If all we traded was a borderline starting PG for a playoff run then I will sign up for that every time.

Lillard was just a year younger than them. Yes, the may not have super high ceilings, but I would prefer either one over Larkin. We also don't have great means at acquiring a PG next offseason. Assuming Conley spurns us there isn't much out there. Payne wasn't long gone when the Hawks picked either - he went the pick before them. Payne went 15th, the Hawks selected 16th and then traded back to 19th before trading for THJR.

Saying first round draft pick is meaningless in the NBA. There are top 3 picks, top 8 picks, lottery picks and late round picks. The difference between those groups is enormous. James Young was drafted 17th. Picks that late are considered good if they can eventually be a rotational player. If we send them another middling pick who cares? We can easily buy a pick in the late first or early second who is just as good and we have done so with Plumlee (22nd), Bogs (31st), RHJ (23rd). Giving up the Lillard pick was a bad trade but it's not nearly as bad as people make it. We have the guy we would have chosen in the top 3 on the roster which only goes to show you how fickle draft picks are.

It's not as easy as you make it seem to buy into the late 1st round. When was the last time that was done? I don't care that we gave that late pick that was used to select James Young. What I care about is the top pick we're giving them this year. We have a difference in opinion there - I don't see anyway it's a middling pick.

[Net Sentence]

Lillard was just a year younger than them. Yes, the may not have super high ceilings, but I would prefer either one over Larkin. We also don't have great means at acquiring a PG next offseason. Assuming Conley spurns us there isn't much out there. Payne wasn't long gone when the Hawks picked either - he went the pick before them. Payne went 15th, the Hawks selected 16th and then traded back to 19th before trading for THJR.

Lillard is also 10x more talented. The only thing they have in common is they play PG.

Larkin is a D Leaguer IMO. He cant play in the NBA at 5'10", very few can.

I really dont want Conley, he is another small PG and he is who is as a player at this point. He has peaked as a top 9-12 PG and that is all he will ever be. I dont think PG should be a priority, SG should be.

Payne was gone by the time we picked right? After he was picked the Nets did what I wanted them to do. I wanted either Justin Anderson or RHJ. I think we should have drafted Joe Young instead of McCullough. I like Young better then both Wright or Grant. He is a lights out shooter and a high level athlete. We could have used his perimeter shooting. Indy isnt really playing him so I hope we can acquire him somehow.

Saying first round draft pick is meaningless in the NBA. There are top 3 picks, top 8 picks, lottery picks and late round picks. The difference between those groups is enormous. James Young was drafted 17th. Picks that late are considered good if they can eventually be a rotational player. If we send them another middling pick who cares? We can easily buy a pick in the late first or early second who is just as good and we have done so with Plumlee (22nd), Bogs (31st), RHJ (23rd). Giving up the Lillard pick was a bad trade but it's not nearly as bad as people make it. We have the guy we would have chosen in the top 3 on the roster which only goes to show you how fickle draft picks are.

It's not as easy as you make it seem to buy into the late 1st round. When was the last time that was done? I don't care that we gave that late pick that was used to select James Young. What I care about is the top pick we're giving them this year. We have a difference in opinion there - I don't see anyway it's a middling pick.

You are missing my point. Top 3 picks are valuable most years. Every 7-10 years a draft is loaded and you have 5-7 franchise players. Some years there are none. If Boston gets say the 10th pick, it's not that big of a deal to me. You have a much better chance of a late 1st or early 2nd round pick being as good as that pick then you do of the number 10 pick being as good as a top 3 pick.

[Prokorov]

Billy King sucks. Mostly because of the Wallace trade and he vastly overpaid in the Boston trade. And yes he should be fired.

But the team's issues go way beyond him. That team he built in 2014 should have been a championship contender. I honestly put the majority of the failure on Deron Williams. King built him a good team expecting Deron to play like a superstar. He ended up playing like a complete scrub and because of that we could never get anywhere.

deron flopped and thats not on billy, but our ability to rebound from it was completely submarined by what he did in the wallace deal.

i also think he should have went all or nothing on dwight. not many chances to get the games best big/top 5 player in his prime.

Well thats basically what I said man. The Wallace deal was the killer. But lets say he didnt make the Wallace deal. And we get Dwight.

Are we contending for a championships if Deron plays the way he played? No.

the first, year... maybe. deronw as a 20/8 player post ASG. after that, maybe not... although who knows who we get. joe wouldnt be here, maybe harden would be, and we know dwight/harden is a pretty sick combo in houston. all speculation. if not title contenders, certainly a better team

[jbeachboy]

nets got new d league team


LONG ISLAND NETS, NEW D LEAGUE TEAM FOR NETS

The Nets will return to the D-League next season, as long speculated.

The team is expected to announce the news and the team name --the Long Island Nets-- Friday, prior to the Nets-Lakers game at Barclays, an NBA source tells NetsDaily.

Brett Yormark hinted at the news Thursday at the groundbreaking for the Coliseum renovation, saying there will be a "major announcement" Friday regarding professional basketball at the arena.

The NBA source added that the team will play its first season at Barclays Center, then move in 2017-18 to the renovated Nassau Coliseum. Mikhail Prokhorov's ONEXIM Sports and Entertainment recently closed on a deal to purchase a controlling interest in Nassau Events Center, the entity that is rehabbing the 40-year-old venue.

Although details have to be fully worked out, said the source, there is the possibility that the Long Island Nets and the Brooklyn Nets will play some double-headers at Barclays next season.

The Nets will own the Long Island Nets outright. A second source says the Nets are paying the NBA a fee of $6 million to rejoin the D-League. That's the same as the Knicks paid the NBA to set up the Westchester Knicks, who play at the Westchester County Center in White Plains, NY.

The Nets had a so-called "hybrid" affiliate D-League team for three years in Springfield, Massachusetts, but two years ago, the owners of that team, the Armor, sold out to a group of businessmen from Grand Rapids, Michigan. The Grand Rapids Drive is now a Pistons affiliate.

[kerry kittles]

Lillard was just a year younger than them. Yes, the may not have super high ceilings, but I would prefer either one over Larkin. We also don't have great means at acquiring a PG next offseason. Assuming Conley spurns us there isn't much out there. Payne wasn't long gone when the Hawks picked either - he went the pick before them. Payne went 15th, the Hawks selected 16th and then traded back to 19th before trading for THJR.

Lillard is also 10x more talented. The only thing they have in common is they play PG.

Larkin is a D Leaguer IMO. He cant play in the NBA at 5'10", very few can.

I really dont want Conley, he is another small PG and he is who is as a player at this point. He has peaked as a top 9-12 PG and that is all he will ever be. I dont think PG should be a priority, SG should be.

Payne was gone by the time we picked right? After he was picked the Nets did what I wanted them to do. I wanted either Justin Anderson or RHJ. I think we should have drafted Joe Young instead of McCullough. I like Young better then both Wright or Grant. He is a lights out shooter and a high level athlete. We could have used his perimeter shooting. Indy isnt really playing him so I hope we can acquire him somehow.

He was picked by the time we picked. I'm talking about if we didn't have to swap with Atlanta he would've went the pick before - we could've traded up, or we could've taken Grant or Wright. Yes, Lillard is clearly the better player - I'm just saying I don't care much about their age. Kyle Lowry left after 3 years at Nova and still bloomed late. Swapping picks hurt our ability to address a need in the draft; I'm also not as high oo Young as you are.

Saying first round draft pick is meaningless in the NBA. There are top 3 picks, top 8 picks, lottery picks and late round picks. The difference between those groups is enormous. James Young was drafted 17th. Picks that late are considered good if they can eventually be a rotational player. If we send them another middling pick who cares? We can easily buy a pick in the late first or early second who is just as good and we have done so with Plumlee (22nd), Bogs (31st), RHJ (23rd). Giving up the Lillard pick was a bad trade but it's not nearly as bad as people make it. We have the guy we would have chosen in the top 3 on the roster which only goes to show you how fickle draft picks are.

It's not as easy as you make it seem to buy into the late 1st round. When was the last time that was done? I don't care that we gave that late pick that was used to select James Young. What I care about is the top pick we're giving them this year. We have a difference in opinion there - I don't see anyway it's a middling pick.

You are missing my point. Top 3 picks are valuable most years. Every 7-10 years a draft is loaded and you have 5-7 franchise players. Some years there are none. If Boston gets say the 10th pick, it's not that big of a deal to me. You have a much better chance of a late 1st or early 2nd round pick being as good as that pick then you do of the number 10 pick being as good as a top 3 pick.

I don't think I'm missing the point. I'd be happy if we gave them the 10th pick. I think we're going to end up giving them a top 3 pick.

[Net Sentence]

Everyone realizes that there are only 6 teams over .500 in the East. A 7th or 8th seed is very achievable

[Hello Brooklyn]

Everyone realizes that there are only 6 teams over .500 in the East. A 7th or 8th seed is very achievable

Youre delusional.

[Net Sentence]

Everyone realizes that there are only 6 teams over .500 in the East. A 7th or 8th seed is very achievable

Youre delusional.

There is talent on this team. There is no reason why RHJ shouldnt be getting big minutes instead of Joe.

Bogs should be in over Brown. He isnt hitting his 3 yet but he is shooting 57.1% on his 2pt shots and 70% in the paint.

A funny thing happens when you play your best players in the starting lineup, you win. It's only a matter of time before Hollins realizes this and goes with

Lopez
Thad
RHJ
Bogs
Jack

That isnt a top team but it's good enough to make the playoffs in the east.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Everyone realizes that there are only 6 teams over .500 in the East. A 7th or 8th seed is very achievable

Youre delusional.

There is talent on this team. There is no reason why RHJ shouldnt be getting big minutes instead of Joe.

Bogs should be in over Brown. He isnt hitting his 3 yet but he is shooting 57.1% on his 2pt shots and 70% in the paint.

A funny thing happens when you play your best players in the starting lineup, you win. It's only a matter of time before Hollins realizes this and goes with

Lopez
Thad
RHJ
Bogs
Jack

That isnt a top team but it's good enough to make the playoffs in the east.

RHJ, Bogs,and Jack are not NBA caliber starting players. Would we be better? Maybe. Would we be a playoff team. No.

[FireBillyKing]

A funny thing happens when you play your best players in the starting lineup, you win. It's only a matter of time before Hollins realizes this and goes with

Lopez
Thad
RHJ
Bogs
Jack

That isnt a top team but it's good enough to make the playoffs in the east.

That team is nowhere near being a playoff team. Jack is considered the worst starting PG in the NBA due to terrible defense, bad shot selection and not getting teammates involved. Bogdanovic lost his starting spot to a journeyman in Ellington. He is slowfooted, can't stay in front of his man on defense, and has struggled with his three point shot. Lastly, while RHJ brings hustle, the guy is nowhere near starting caliber. Too many turnovers and poor shooting.

This team is 0-5 for a reason, and its not because Bogs and RHJ are coming off the bench. That will not be the big game changer.

[NyCeEvO]

Everyone realizes that there are only 6 teams over .500 in the East. A 7th or 8th seed is very achievable

Youre delusional.

You guys are a fun bunch and I don't mean that pejoratively.

[Paradise]

We're not making the playoffs but let's not act like we haven't faced the toughest start in the league thus far either. We started off last season with the benefit of a soft schedule. Boston, Detroit, OKC (without KD or Westbrook), Orlando (without Olidipo).

Our true barometer at this point will be how we look against non-playoff teams because the reality is we did lose to these same teams last season.

[Net Sentence]

A funny thing happens when you play your best players in the starting lineup, you win. It's only a matter of time before Hollins realizes this and goes with

Lopez
Thad
RHJ
Bogs
Jack

That isnt a top team but it's good enough to make the playoffs in the east.

That team is nowhere near being a playoff team. Jack is considered the worst starting PG in the NBA due to terrible defense, bad shot selection and not getting teammates involved. Bogdanovic lost his starting spot to a journeyman in Ellington. He is slowfooted, can't stay in front of his man on defense, and has struggled with his three point shot. Lastly, while RHJ brings hustle, the guy is nowhere near starting caliber. Too many turnovers and poor shooting.

This team is 0-5 for a reason, and its not because Bogs and RHJ are coming off the bench. That will not be the big game changer.

Why dont you grow a pair and post your real name. You are actively advocating someone lose their job so it's only fair you put your real name behind it.

[Net Sentence]

We're not making the playoffs but let's not act like we haven't faced the toughest start in the league thus far either. We started off last season with the benefit of a soft schedule. Boston, Detroit, OKC (without KD or Westbrook), Orlando (without Olidipo).

Our true barometer at this point will be how we look against non-playoff teams because the reality is we did lose to these same teams last season.

The Bulls are title contenders.

The Spurs are title contenders.

The Griz are title contenders.

The Hawks are title contenders.

Their is no shame losing to those teams. The Bucks are on the same level as us and that was a toss up game until the end. We dont have to be world beaters to make the playoffs.

[kamaze]

nets got new d league team


LONG ISLAND NETS, NEW D LEAGUE TEAM FOR NETS

The Nets will return to the D-League next season, as long speculated.

The team is expected to announce the news and the team name --the Long Island Nets-- Friday, prior to the Nets-Lakers game at Barclays, an NBA source tells NetsDaily.

Brett Yormark hinted at the news Thursday at the groundbreaking for the Coliseum renovation, saying there will be a "major announcement" Friday regarding professional basketball at the arena.

The NBA source added that the team will play its first season at Barclays Center, then move in 2017-18 to the renovated Nassau Coliseum. Mikhail Prokhorov's ONEXIM Sports and Entertainment recently closed on a deal to purchase a controlling interest in Nassau Events Center, the entity that is rehabbing the 40-year-old venue.

Although details have to be fully worked out, said the source, there is the possibility that the Long Island Nets and the Brooklyn Nets will play some double-headers at Barclays next season.

The Nets will own the Long Island Nets outright. A second source says the Nets are paying the NBA a fee of $6 million to rejoin the D-League. That's the same as the Knicks paid the NBA to set up the Westchester Knicks, who play at the Westchester County Center in White Plains, NY.

The Nets had a so-called "hybrid" affiliate D-League team for three years in Springfield, Massachusetts, but two years ago, the owners of that team, the Armor, sold out to a group of businessmen from Grand Rapids, Michigan. The Grand Rapids Drive is now a Pistons affiliate.

That's good new do they have a dleage affiliate this year? Any word on where the final cuts went?

[HeartBreakKid]

We're not making the playoffs but let's not act like we haven't faced the toughest start in the league thus far either. We started off last season with the benefit of a soft schedule. Boston, Detroit, OKC (without KD or Westbrook), Orlando (without Olidipo).

Our true barometer at this point will be how we look against non-playoff teams because the reality is we did lose to these same teams last season.

The Bulls are title contenders.

The Spurs are title contenders.

The Griz are title contenders.

The Hawks are title contenders.

Their is no shame losing to those teams. The Bucks are on the same level as us and that was a toss up game until the end. We dont have to be world beaters to make the playoffs.

3/4 of the teams you listed aren't even contenders. They're good teams, but don't use hyperbole.

The Bucks are not on the same level as the Nets, they are clearly a better team.

The Nets just lost to the Lakers. Lakers are contenders for the #1 pick in the draft, that's about it.


You really think this is a 40 win team? What is your reasoning behind this?

[jbeachboy]

this is a 20 win team max and that might be generous

[ajones9219]

We're not making the playoffs but let's not act like we haven't faced the toughest start in the league thus far either. We started off last season with the benefit of a soft schedule. Boston, Detroit, OKC (without KD or Westbrook), Orlando (without Olidipo).

Our true barometer at this point will be how we look against non-playoff teams because the reality is we did lose to these same teams last season.

The Bulls are title contenders.

The Spurs are title contenders.

The Griz are title contenders.

The Hawks are title contenders.

Their is no shame losing to those teams. The Bucks are on the same level as us and that was a toss up game until the end. We dont have to be world beaters to make the playoffs.

The Spurs are really the only contenders in that list. The Griz maybe but right now they are playing like garbage. Plus losing to the Lakers now. I thought they might be a dark horse for the 8th seed during the summer but now I honestly feel like with every loss their chances of giving up and bottoming out get more likely.