2017 Nets Offseason Thread II

Paradise · Post #241 » by **Paradise** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:21 pm

JJ Redick is definitely not coming back to LA.

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steady · Post #242 » by **steady** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:52 pm

Prokorov wrote:
steady wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
I hate the fit for anderson even though i love the guy and he was one of my favorite nets of that era...

-terrible terrible defense. worse then brook and approaching bargani levels (statistically not hyperbole)
-Poor rebounder. worse then RHJ and almost as bad as brook
-terrible contract. people hate mozgovs deal anderson makes 6M more then h e does.

i dont love the fit. i get he shoots. i still dont see spacing as an issue and if it is i think reddick helps spacing more without taking your best defender off the floor (RHJ)

Anderson is 29, and at $20 mill a year his contract is upper range of what Reddick is asking. And only three years left. And he would probably get packaged with a pick because HOU is desperate to clear cap space.

I like Reddick better for locker room and as mentor but I like Ryan Anderson'/s position. age and deal (bc he probably come w pick) better.

ryan anderson is not near the player JJ reddick is. id rather reddick then anderson plus a pick...

i want no part of anderson

I agree Redick is the better player, and if that is the criteria (which Marks has indicated it is) we go with him. I wouldn't be unhappy about it as long as he gives us a slight break on asking price which he might bc I think he's been thinking about BKN for a while. On other hand if HOU offers a first round pick ....

Keith Van Horn · Post #243 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:53 pm

Prokorov wrote:
Keith Van Horn wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
how is it disrespecting a 3rd/4th wheel role player that your teammates want to bring in a superstar?

Bc Porter is going to receive a max deal. Roundabout way I think he's saying don't tie money up in this guy when he thinks they can get George. That's how I read into it.

Honestly I think Washington would do well to pursue Melo as more realistic option than George.

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the wizards dont have the cap room for george with or without porter.

if they renounce porter they have 8 million or so in cap. if they match an offer on porter they have MLE which is 8-9 million.

even if george took a massive discount they dont have close to the money

to get george they would need to trade beal or sign and trade porter

I was thinking they trade Oubre, Morris, and renounce Porter, which would probably do it. But Pacers could get a much better return for George than that.

IDK - I was just building off what Wall said he wanted. I could care less where George ends up, unless of course, it somehow benefits us.

Keith Van Horn · Post #244 » by **Keith Van Horn** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:56 pm

Paradise wrote:JJ Redick is definitely not coming back to LA.

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yeah... he ain't going back for sure now.

Seems like we are the most likely destination at this point.

Is he seriously going to command 20m/year money? Maybe he'll do something like 3/48?

MGrand15 · Post #245 » by **MGrand15** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:44 pm

It would be great if free agency didn't start with dumbass teams offering Joakim Noah level players 18 mil per year at midnight like there's a bidding war. If the market is somewhat normal, we can offer guys big money for 2/3 years and get away with it. If the off-season opens up with madness, were going to have to make stupid deals or do what we did last season.

I've heard Iguodala's name floated out there for us. I'm sure he's just using us as leverage but I wouldnt mind him as our wing vet even if he pushes LeVert to the bench.

steady · Post #246 » by **steady** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:58 pm

These are all decent flight risks that would be nice

CJ Miles - Pacers
Patrick Patterson - Raptors
Joe Ingles - Jazz
James Johnson - Heat
Gallinari - Nuggets

ChokeFasncists · Post #247 » by **ChokeFasncists** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:44 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
ChokeFasncists wrote:
oldjim wrote:Reddict is too expensive and his defense also below standard. We already traded Russell which with no defense , if we trade another sg with no defense ,the team will suck again next season. Net's problem is all about defense last season.

Now Mozgoz"s defense is not good , rebound not good. Lin's defense was great before injury, but after injury he was not great again. And after i saw the highlight of Russell"s defense, i am worrying about our defense next season.

Lin's D wasn't as good as before post-injury, but I think it's mainly cuz those were meaningless games and he didn't want to hurt the hammy again (which would be disastrous) rather than any structural problems.

Disagree. Lin played with max effort on both ends. The guy didn't take one game off. He may not have been great, but I will take effort regardless of the end result. Means that he gives a damn.

Well, his D was visibly worse after the 3rd injury. (he probably played too hard after the 1st one?) So you think it was structural problems rather than him trying to avoid a 4th injury on his hammy?

Paradise · Post #248 » by **Paradise** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 8:58 pm

steady wrote:These are all decent flight risks that would be nice

CJ Miles - Pacers
Patrick Patterson - Raptors
Joe Ingles - Jazz
James Johnson - Heat
Gallinari - Nuggets

I like the list except for Patterson. He's awful. I'd prefer JaMychael Green.

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DartboardT · Post #249 » by **DartboardT** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:01 pm

I don't remember anyone saying JLin isn't the same post injury. Team played the best it did all year the final stretch.

JLin needs to be as careful as reasonably possible about injury this year (Russell will help indirectly, plus notice how JLin ALWAYS wears Spandex legwear or whatever nowadays), sure, but I think we can assume he's at 100% health as of right now and definitely by training camp. I'd worry a bit more if he was 31-32. He's a low-NBA-mileage 28 going on 29.

Post #250 » by **NyCeEvO** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:20 pm

Keith Van Horn wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
Keith Van Horn wrote:So Wall said something to the extent of wanting Paul George b/c they need a third player. If I were Otto Porter, I'd take that as major disrespect. I know he's a RFA, but I'd be praying the Wiz wouldn't match any offer sheets.

how is it disrespecting a 3rd/4th wheel role player that your teammates want to bring in a superstar?

Bc Porter is going to receive a max deal. Roundabout way I think he's saying don't tie money up in this guy when he thinks they can get George. That's how I read into it.

Honestly I think Washington would do well to pursue Melo as more realistic option than George.

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Or maybe Paul can push for a trade to Wizards for small pieces (a la CP3) so the Wizards have Wall, Beal, George, and Porter.

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steady · Post #251 » by **steady** » Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:21 pm

Paradise wrote:
steady wrote:These are all decent flight risks that would be nice

CJ Miles - Pacers
Patrick Patterson - Raptors
Joe Ingles - Jazz
James Johnson - Heat
Gallinari - Nuggets

I like the list except for Patterson. He's awful. I'd prefer JaMychael Green.

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I'd prefer JaMychael Green too but the Grizz would be crazy to let him go.

I'm really curious how Nets do in FA this year given the good buzz Markinson and the team have been getting. Last year I would have doubted we get any of these players, this year it still feels like a real long shot , but possible

DartboardT · Post #252 » by **DartboardT** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:30 am

How good are the free agents Lin knows? That'll be a partial indicator. Or Lindicator, if you must.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2017/4/13/15297784/jeremy-lin-free-agency-brooklyn-nba-2017

Hello Brooklyn · Post #253 » by **Hello Brooklyn** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:31 am

Is anyone else kind of happy that were rebuilding and don't have to worry about competing against the Warriors team?

Because I am.

MrDollarBills · Post #254 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:38 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Is anyone else kind of happy that were rebuilding and don't have to worry about competing against the Warriors team?

Because I am.

Yep. Not even worried about any of that nonsense. Let them all burn themselves into the ground, we just need to build up enough talent over the next few years because The Bucks, Sixers, and Wolves are going to be tough to beat.

DartboardT · Post #255 » by **DartboardT** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:54 am

I think the Nets are in good hands with the Marksman.

steady · Post #256 » by **steady** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:20 am

CBS Sports did a ranking of the top 30 NBA players who were available this summer by FA, trade or draft - taking account of skill set, age and cost , among other things

Otto Porter was 17
Milsap. 10
Gallinari - 29

JJ Reddick - 24
DAngelo Russell - 13

https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nbas-most-wanted-top-30-summer-targets-via-trade-free-agency-or-the-nba-draft/amp/

Vae Victus · Post #257 » by **Vae Victus** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:31 am

Hypothetical, what if Aldridge forces his way out of SAS and theyre willing to accept any deal to wipe him off the cap.

Would BRK be interested in Aldridge coming over and becoming a focal point player to help relieve pressure off of the young guards?

Either BRK absorbs Aldridge outright, and eliminating the capspace, or perhaps sending back Booker/Hamilton if SAS so desires.

C - Mozgov, Allen, Acy, JHam?
PF- Aldridge, RHJ, Booker?
SF- Levert, Harris
SG- DLo, Skil, Whitehead
PG- Lin, Dimwiddie

Thats not a bad looking at all. Pretty damn balanced with scoring in the front an back court. Cap situation is still excellent as Aldridge has an opt out, JHam/Booker expires, but decisions will need to be made on the minimum wage brigade on whether to keep em or not to larger deal.

Of course with CP3 traded to HOU its alot less likely that SAS will bother to clean up capspace unless theyre gonna take a run at Blake Griffin, Gordon Hayward, and so on.

Antti22 · Post #258 » by **Antti22** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 10:48 am

Hello Brooklyn wrote:Is anyone else kind of happy that were rebuilding and don't have to worry about competing against the Warriors team?

Because I am.

Im actually kind of happy that there is a huge arms race going on in the NBA. With talent going to a few teams. The less parity there is, the easier way back to relevancy for us... We might be a playoff team sooner than we think, because of all those other teams blatantly starting to tank. The FA period hasnt even started and not much has been made, but Im already confident that we have passed a number of teams in the standings, like Hawks, Pacers, Sacramento, Knicks + Bulls and Magic. And the list is growing by the minute. Im quite sure Clippers are going to be quite bad aswell. If we aquire just a few vet pieces that are good for our future, we might be inadvertantly be good enough to not give up a top 3 draft pick next year. Thats not the ultimate goal, I know, but it will be the by-product of what we are building. Nowhere to go but up, I think we have reached our rock bottom...

edit: added in Bulls and Magic to the list of teams that are gonna suck hard

Post #259 » by **Bensational** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:05 pm

Magic fan here. What do you guys think the future holds for Nicholson? I've always been a big fan of him and thought he had great potential as a scorer, if partnered with a defensive C. Any chance he takes up a fair chunk of Lopez's scoring load now that he's gone? (Obviously Russell and Lin are options #1 and #2).

Also, I love that Russell deal for you guys. It's gonna be exciting to watch him get free reign over a team.

Antti22 · Post #260 » by **Antti22** » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:24 pm

Bensational wrote:Magic fan here. What do you guys think the future holds for Nicholson? I've always been a big fan of him and thought he had great potential as a scorer, if partnered with a defensive C. Any chance he takes up a fair chunk of Lopez's scoring load now that he's gone? (Obviously Russell and Lin are options #1 and #2).

Also, I love that Russell deal for you guys. It's gonna be exciting to watch him get free reign over a team.

At this point we might give him another shot as a back-up, but this far he seems like dead-money on the cap. Probably we will try to dump him in some kind of deal where we get back even worse contract, but with assets.