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Re: GT: Knicks @ Nets - Mon. 3/15/21 - 8PM EST - YES & ESPN 

Post#241 » by Stone » Tue Mar 16, 2021 4:14 pm

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Stone wrote:If the Knicks would have used the pressure defense a little earlier it could have been a loss for us. But an ugly win is still a win.


If we passed the ball this wouldn't happened. See how that works, really we going to do it. Enjoy this streak man. They played it like last game of the year, we half azzed it. That's not how we played vs above 500 teams. These guys can care less about city crap. They played Saltics much better and with purpose.


The Knicks were an above 500 team until we handed them a L last night. They are a scrappy team and almost stole a W. That last few minutes were playoff like and we barely squeaked it out. All I'm saying is we need to be better prepared from a coaching standpoint.
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Post#242 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Mar 16, 2021 5:43 pm

Knicks are so happy to even be close to us. Its such a big moment for them.

Clearly they are little brother begging for attention. Nobody cares about them.
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Post#243 » by Paradise » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:15 pm

Commissioner Gordon is killing Knick fans on Twitter lol

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Post#244 » by GTR11 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:59 pm

He's unplayable period. Maybe come PO time he'll give us 15-20 productive min, during regular season he's clearly not doing it. Harden can't get in his face all the time, Nash need to figure something out.
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Post#245 » by therealbig3 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:50 pm

As for blaming Nash at the end when we were getting trapped:

I mean, making yourself available for your teammate when they’re getting trapped is like straight up common sense right? They teach you that when you just start playing basketball. Basketball 101. And these players are all pretty much NBA veterans that have played for years and years right, and have been in this situation plenty of times before, multiple times this year in fact, right?

So that’s where you guys lose me when you completely blame Nash for that stuff and not the players who have been doing this their whole lives who are not using an ounce of common sense.

Results on the court are like 90% the players, and 10% the coach. If we’re underachieving or not doing well, it’s likely the players screwing up is the biggest reason, not the coach.
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Post#246 » by Prokorov » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:10 pm

This team will not win a title as long as steve nash is the head coach. Another horrific coaching effort. he is actively putting us in a positions to lose or have the opponent succeed. it is as if he is on the opposing teams payroll and tasked with making the worst decisions possible.

He ices his own players while refusing to use timeouts when the opponent is on the run. he can even draw up an in bounds play where we make 2 passes when they quadrouple team the ball leaving everyone open. he takes out red hot players when we are burying the other team. refuses to challenge anything of worth. ZERO second half adjustments

Seriously F steve nash and the horse he road in on. im so done with this a-hole. i finally get to watch a team with championship talent and this moron is going to throw it away
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Post#247 » by Prokorov » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:12 pm

GTR11 wrote:He's unplayable period. Maybe come PO time he'll give us 15-20 productive min, during regular season he's clearly not doing it. Harden can't get in his face all the time, Nash need to figure something out.
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Jordan is extremely playable and a big positive on the year. he isnt a 30+ mpg player. he was great for 20 minutes. Nash forgot claxton was on the team in the 4th i guess?

This is also an awful comparison. nic on a small who took a ton of threes and was hitting them... your gonna challenge that. Jordan on a big up 7 with 1 minute to play when your only job is not to foul.
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Post#248 » by Prokorov » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:15 pm

ecuhus1981 wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:Both of those OOB plays were terrible.

No one flashed to Harden’s line of sight to help him out. Same with Joe. This is basketball 101...what are Nash and company doing?

You call the first timeout to see what the Knicks will do and then you make no adjustments? Unbelievable...

Bookmarking this post for Prok's response.

BTW, I agree with you. Even a below average in-game coach would have adjusted better, so that we don't have to sweat out a nail-biter. For all his interpersonal and administrative strengths, Nash's actual coaching during the game is a net negative (pun intended).


It is just awful. and its kindergarden stuff. we saw it twice. triple teaming the ball and doubling looking for a turnover not a foul. Nash was playing it like the knicks were gonna let us inbound and then bail us out by fouling.

this has also been a problem all year. Kyrie is the quickest dude on earth and a 90% FT shooter. maybe utilize that. if anything it draws to defenders pre-inbound. how do you not draw an inbound that has a second pass when you know the hard triple team is coming? something quick right back to the inbounder?

its embarassing
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Post#249 » by Prokorov » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:17 pm

therealbig3 wrote:We had so many chances to blow this game open, but kept letting them hang around. We got complacent for sure.

Knicks are a decent team this year though. Top 5 defense, multiple guys that can get hot, and Julius Randle is playing like a legit superstar this season...extremely worthy All-Star selection. No shame in getting into a dogfight with them, but given we were up by double digits like all game after the 1st quarter, and were up by as much as 18, we shouldn't have had it come down to the last possession like that.


We had them on the ropes up 18 with 3 minutes left in the third and Kyrie caught fire. Nash benchs him isntead of riding him out the quarter to bury them. cant ice your stars like that
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Post#250 » by Prokorov » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:20 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
ecuhus1981 wrote:
NyCeEvO wrote:Both of those OOB plays were terrible.

No one flashed to Harden’s line of sight to help him out. Same with Joe. This is basketball 101...what are Nash and company doing?

You call the first timeout to see what the Knicks will do and then you make no adjustments? Unbelievable...

Bookmarking this post for Prok's response.

BTW, I agree with you. Even a below average in-game coach would have adjusted better, so that we don't have to sweat out a nail-biter. For all his interpersonal and administrative strengths, Nash's actual coaching during the game is a net negative (pun intended).


I think two key things were that Nash should not have Joe Harris inbounding the ball on high pressure plays like that. Joe is not a good inbounds passer, he gets too jittery. Also, not having that last time out kind of screwed us because Nash didn't have time to draw up anything.

So yeah. not what you want to see from a championship team at the end of a game. Guys can't just stand there watching someone getting swarmed, guys need to come running to the ball. Nash needs to review what happened last night because it won't be the last time teams try to do that to us, we got complacent.



This is like the 5th time weve screwed a 2 possesion lead with under 24 seconds. this isnt a "lets look at the tape thing". this is a our coach is a moron and incapable of managing those late game situations. He also had the benefit of watching them do it 4 times in a row between timeouts and failed inbounds plays.
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Post#251 » by Prokorov » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:22 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
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And we were playing without Derrick Rose.

You guys shook yet? Just wait until the playoffs. :nod: :P



Do you remember what happened the last time you guys saw us in the playoffs?

You don't want that smoke. You don't.

and :lol: !!! @ Derrick Rose. Please. Kyrie will bust his ass just like he did Quickley's last night. Yall are delusional


DRose is just for playmaking. Oh, and we missed Mitchell Robinson too We’re gonna put Frank on Kyrie during the playoffs. :D

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The knicks wont make the playoffs because they are terrible. Frank will get torched for 100 if he guards kyrie. and robinson cant be on the floor if durant is.

the knicks are not worth discussing. they are either not a playoff team or someone we sweep in 3 games (yup, 3. the league will just call it to save its viewers from witnessing a massacre of a 4th game).
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Post#252 » by Prokorov » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:25 pm

MGrand15 wrote:
Honestly I'm not blaming Nash for that. We used all our timeouts. We got our shooters on the floor. We spread the court out. Guys need to make plays. It felt like our players were caught off guard that the Knicks were going for the steal instead of just intentionally fouling. Props to the Knicks too. They were active - they were physical and didn't foul.


Using a timeout is nice. drawing up something and adjusting and giving the right direction is what someone who has ever coached even 1 game at any level would do.

Why were we surprised they were going for the steal? we saw it 3 times in a row. you need to make your team aware and draw up a counter instead of letting them triple team harden again. that is pathetic. its inexcusable, and its shameful to put anything but 110% blame on nash for that.

Outside of that, we were a little too willing to concede dunks at the end. I know you're guarding the 3pt line. I know you want to avoid and-1s or fouls but you can't just give up automatic 2s. After Harden's FTs pushed it to 7 - we gave up an RJ Barrett dunk in 6 seconds. Then - after the jump ball - we gave up a Randle dunk in 5 seconds. There's a balance between not giving up a 3 + knowing that ONE stop shuts the door on the game.


You cant allow those and then not ensure your team gets fouled/shoots FTs. it was like giving them 10 chances to win without even attempt to score or defend.
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Post#253 » by Prokorov » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:26 pm

Sharcm1 wrote:Lol to Steven a Smith crying tears of joy for how well the Knicks are and saying it reminds him of when the Knicks were relevant. Too funny. Yeah the nets got bored and let the foot of the gas. Sure all Knicks. I’ll give them credit for not giving up and playing hard. But harden shot like crap. And the nets stopped playing hard once they got up big.


A well coached team wouldnt have come close to losing that game. Look at thibs on the other side. switch coaches and we win by 40
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Post#254 » by Prokorov » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:28 pm

King: Kyrie. balled out. hit big shots. defended well
Knight: Green. outstanding outside of 1 ill advised shot late
Jester: Nash. the "jester" should just be renamed "Nash". due is a clown who has no business near an nba team.
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Post#255 » by Prokorov » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:45 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Some of yall need to respect the opponent. These guys are coached up and they play hard defensively. I didn't expect a blow out but we controlled the game.

We need better execution on the inbounds. Joe Harris is a terrible inbounder


We did blow them out though. Nash just called it early and crapped it away. its not like the grinded us for 48 minutes. we were smacking them headed into the 4th by like 18 or 20. its not like it was back and forth all game.
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Post#256 » by Prokorov » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:47 pm

Hello Brooklyn wrote:I have less faith in Jordan after tonight. He was just awful.

I'm ready to see what Griffin can do. Maybe hes smarter and more agile defensively.


smarter, maybe.

Griffin has an argument for biggest defensive liability in the league.
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Post#257 » by Prokorov » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:48 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Sharcm1 wrote:From the nba rules and regulations.
Section VI—Held Ball
A held ball occurs when two opponents have one or both hands firmly on the ball or when a defensive player touches the ball causing the offensive player to return to the floor with the ball in his continuous possession which would result in a traveling violation


Exactly. Randle traveled.

Bro you couldn't get away with that move on the blacktop, nevermind an NBA game.


It was a clear travel.

But why does he even have an opportunity to catch and make an offensive play there?
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Post#258 » by Prokorov » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:50 pm

DarkXaero wrote:I see Harden as our best reg season player and KD as our best postseason player. Harden is such an immense floor raiser in regular season, there's a reason why we've won like a ridiculous 12 out of our last 13 games. If Harden was missing games instead of KD, do you think it would be the same record? I don't.



Yup.

Harden is our best floor raiser. KD is our best ceiling raiser.
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Post#259 » by DarkXaero » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:55 pm

This constant whinefest about Nash from prokorov is getting annoying af. There are ways to criticize without entering hyperbole territory every time. Unfortunately, subtlety and being rational doesn't exist in prokorov's world.
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Post#260 » by Hello Brooklyn » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:57 pm

I was very critical of Nash at times, but I think hes been much better.

Our near collapse yesterday was not at all his fault. Our players should be able to inbound the **** ball. Thats on them.

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