Official Nets Trade Spculation Thread

[ecuhus1981]

What do you guys think of this deal?

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7532261

For us, the deal is Harris, Johnson and Millsap for Horford and Danny Green.

We absorb Green with the Dinwiddie TPE, to add veteran defenders who can both create their own shot when we need (like, now for instance). I think that Al could work alongside both Kevin and any of our true 5's, due to his passable corner 3pt shooting. Or, he excels as an uptempo 5, even at his age. Danny is almost as elite as Joe from 3, and adds much more competent perimeter D.

i dont see what this helps. Horford is basically blake. Green is declined. im fine moving joe but id need someone who can help now

Agreed. I don't see why so many fan proposals have us getting back more over the hill bigs while subtracting shooting. This team needs a PG, perimeter defense and a coach.

Make a deal that brings us those things, I would like to see it.

[HardenGoat]

So basically we became willing to listen to another Philly trade offer (a second one) and Marks said no because it was a lowball. Then Durant says he wants full commitment (apparently from Harden) and leaves that in the hands of the office. Whether Durant spoke to Harden after that is the question because he is either saying Harden reassured him he wants to stay or he is reflecting on what they discussed in the past. The way it was left was there will be a final decision. This is tenuous right now cause it looks like the straw here was not having the big 3 for Harden and that was reaffirmed at the start of the season when Kyrie reneged on getting vaccinated. He doesn't think him and KD will be enough to win a title with Kyrie sitting out home games, imagine the media pressure at that time even going into the playoffs. This is brutal, saddening actually.

[MrDollarBills]

So basically we became willing to listen to another Philly trade offer (a second one) and Marks said no because it was a lowball. Then Durant says he wants full commitment (apparently from Harden) and leaves that in the hands of the office. Whether Durant spoke to Harden after that is the question because he is either saying Harden reassured him he wants to stay or he is reflecting on what they discussed in the past. The way it was left was there will be a final decision. This is tenuous right now cause it looks like the straw here was not having the big 3 for Harden and that was reaffirmed at the start of the season when Kyrie reneged on getting vaccinated. He doesn't think him and KD will be enough to win a title with Kyrie sitting out home games, imagine the media pressure at that time even going into the playoffs. This is brutal, saddening actually.

I think the championship window has been slammed shut. This team will be several games below .500 before the ASB hits and it will then take a herculean effort from KD to carry this team to the playoffs with or without Harden.

Kyrie is such a clown I don't consider him apart of the equation anymore. Imagine we have to host a play in game versus the Raptors in May and this ass hole can't play?

And people wonder why Harden wants out? Hell, I WANT OUT. I feel betrayed by this franchise.

[HardenGoat]

So basically we became willing to listen to another Philly trade offer (a second one) and Marks said no because it was a lowball. Then Durant says he wants full commitment (apparently from Harden) and leaves that in the hands of the office. Whether Durant spoke to Harden after that is the question because he is either saying Harden reassured him he wants to stay or he is reflecting on what they discussed in the past. The way it was left was there will be a final decision. This is tenuous right now cause it looks like the straw here was not having the big 3 for Harden and that was reaffirmed at the start of the season when Kyrie reneged on getting vaccinated. He doesn't think him and KD will be enough to win a title with Kyrie sitting out home games, imagine the media pressure at that time even going into the playoffs. This is brutal, saddening actually.

I think the championship window has been slammed shut. This team will be several games below .500 before the ASB hits and it will then take a herculean effort from KD to carry this team to the playoffs with or without Harden.

Kyrie is such a clown I don't consider him apart of the equation anymore. Imagine we have to host a play in game versus the Raptors in May and this ass hole can't play?

And people wonder why Harden wants out? Hell, I WANT OUT. I feel betrayed by this franchise.

I didn't even think of that scenario, that would be the worst way to go out. Marks might need to trade Harden if he is planning to walk in the offseason. I think it comes down to Morey's ability to clear the space to sign him outright. If he can't you keep him through this season. One thing I don't understand is why couldn't Kyrie get the vaccine and play but then use his stage to oppose the mandate. He hasn't really done anything of the sort. Other players showed their opposition but got vaccinated to join their teams but they made their statement. I just don't get it cause I can't even think how someone could hold out on their teammates this long on a chip run. If he was in a circus playing for a crowd maybe, but not on an NBA stage with players dreams at stake.

[Prokorov]

I think the championship window has been slammed shut. This team will be several games below .500 before the ASB hits and it will then take a herculean effort from KD to carry this team to the playoffs with or without Harden.

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We are 5 games over .500 with 6 games before the allstar break.

how exactly willwe be "several games under .500" by the break? i know we are playing bad getting 10 losses in 6 games is tough to do even for us right now

[Educator]

So basically we became willing to listen to another Philly trade offer (a second one) and Marks said no because it was a lowball. Then Durant says he wants full commitment (apparently from Harden) and leaves that in the hands of the office. Whether Durant spoke to Harden after that is the question because he is either saying Harden reassured him he wants to stay or he is reflecting on what they discussed in the past. The way it was left was there will be a final decision. This is tenuous right now cause it looks like the straw here was not having the big 3 for Harden and that was reaffirmed at the start of the season when Kyrie reneged on getting vaccinated. He doesn't think him and KD will be enough to win a title with Kyrie sitting out home games, imagine the media pressure at that time even going into the playoffs. This is brutal, saddening actually.

I think the championship window has been slammed shut. This team will be several games below .500 before the ASB hits and it will then take a herculean effort from KD to carry this team to the playoffs with or without Harden.

Kyrie is such a clown I don't consider him apart of the equation anymore. Imagine we have to host a play in game versus the Raptors in May and this ass hole can't play?

And people wonder why Harden wants out? Hell, I WANT OUT. I feel betrayed by this franchise.

It's more likely that the Nets fail to qualify for the playoffs than win the championship.

[Educator]

Forget the Raptors. If the Nets are 7, that's a home game. If they lose, the next game is a home game. If the Nets are 8 and they lose, the next game is a home game. If the Nets are 9, that's a home game.

The damage Irving has inflicted on this team cannot be understated. It is mind-boggling how anyone can support him.

[Prokorov]

Forget the Raptors. If the Nets are 7, that's a home game. If they lose, the next game is a home game. If the Nets are 8 and they lose, the next game is a home game. If the Nets are 9, that's a home game.

The damage Irving has inflicted on this team cannot be understated. It is mind-boggling how anyone can support him.

Kyrie has inflicted 0 damange. COVID/The mandates are not something created by Kyrie.

If the Nets cant win 1 of 2 games at Home with KD/Harden vs. sub .500 teams, they dont deserve to be in.

[Educator]

Forget the Raptors. If the Nets are 7, that's a home game. If they lose, the next game is a home game. If the Nets are 8 and they lose, the next game is a home game. If the Nets are 9, that's a home game.

The damage Irving has inflicted on this team cannot be understated. It is mind-boggling how anyone can support him.

Kyrie has inflicted 0 damange. COVID/The mandates are not something created by Kyrie.

If the Nets cant win 1 of 2 games at Home with KD/Harden vs. sub .500 teams, they dont deserve to be in.

0 damage. 8 game losing streak, disgruntled Harden, 7 seed for now, voluntarily sitting out putting increased pressure and responsibility on everyone else. Yep. 0 damage.

I'm going to believe you are not actually this obtuse and are willfully ignoring the devastation he's caused. It doesn't matter if he created the mandate. His actions and refusal to sacrifice for his team because of it are 100% responsible for this team's collapse.

There's also only one team 7-10 under .500.

[Prokorov]

0 damage. 8 game losing streak, disgruntled Harden, 7 seed for now, voluntarily sitting out putting increased pressure and responsibility on everyone else. Yep. 0 damage.

Kyrie played in those games. his availabiltiy didnt not effect the losing streak. Harden played through injury on most, is now hurt the last few. none of that is damaged cause by Kyrie or Harden. it is injurys plus Nash incompetance

I'm going to believe you are not actually this obtuse and are willfully ignoring the devastation he's caused. It doesn't matter if he created the mandate. His actions and refusal to sacrifice for his team because of it are 100% responsible for this team's collapse.

There is no sacrificing or not sacrificing. its not a basketball issue it is a personal health issue. the idea someone change their health status for work is absurd.

There's also only one team 7-10 under .500.

and as of today, thats who they would play.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Forget the Raptors. If the Nets are 7, that's a home game. If they lose, the next game is a home game. If the Nets are 8 and they lose, the next game is a home game. If the Nets are 9, that's a home game.

The damage Irving has inflicted on this team cannot be understated. It is mind-boggling how anyone can support him.

Kyrie has inflicted 0 damange. COVID/The mandates are not something created by Kyrie.

If the Nets cant win 1 of 2 games at Home with KD/Harden vs. sub .500 teams, they dont deserve to be in.

0 damage. 8 game losing streak, disgruntled Harden, 7 seed for now, voluntarily sitting out putting increased pressure and responsibility on everyone else. Yep. 0 damage.

I'm going to believe you are not actually this obtuse and are willfully ignoring the devastation he's caused. It doesn't matter if he created the mandate. His actions and refusal to sacrifice for his team because of it are 100% responsible for this team's collapse.

There's also only one team 7-10 under .500.

This is just a dumb analysis.

How are any of these things Kyries fault?

During this losing streak Kyrie has played far better than Harden has.

Were not losing a bunch of home games without Kyrie. Were losing road games WITH Kyrie.

Its Kyries fault we have the worst defense in the league? Can't make adjustments? Have terrible late game exectuion?

Youre just blaming him cause you don't like him. Not based on whats really happening.

[HardenGoat]

I think some of you guys are not understanding what has really happened here and are ignoring what the concept of a team is and how it influences performance as a unit moving through a season on a timeline. There was a sound reason to not have Kyrie coming in and out of games in the beginning, it disrupts the chemistry that is built as a unit. Players that step up begin to feel part of the whole. Communication improves and you can take each game and build from it. This works as long as you don't have distractions and stay focused. You are also sugar coating the true feelings of the players involved, they were not happy with his "personal" decision. They were all convinced they would be a complete team once they were all vaccinated. He broke their trust and honestly who wouldn't feel betrayed finding out what he chose to do. I would feel disgusted. There came a decision to bring him back, part time status, I don't know who wanted that but it's clear the chemistry took a hit, Harden for sure has changed his stance. The team is shot on the inside. This isn't about one players stats vs anothers, who has better ballhanding skills, who choked in 2018 or left their previous team on bad terms. Honestly, and I have always felt this way from day one, Kyrie has to make this right by showing he cares and take the simple flu shot. That would give us back what is missing in the locker room and make the team whole again, even if someone sat out with an injury for a while.

[Prokorov]

I think some of you guys are not understanding what has really happened here and are ignoring what the concept of a team is and how it influences performance as a unit moving through a season on a timeline. There was a sound reason to not have Kyrie coming in and out of games in the beginning, it disrupts the chemistry that is built as a unit. Players that step up begin to feel part of the whole. Communication improves and you can take each game and build from it. This works as long as you don't have distractions and stay focused. You are also sugar coating the true feelings of the players involved, they were not happy with his "personal" decision. They were all convinced they would be a complete team once they were all vaccinated. He broke their trust and honestly who wouldn't feel betrayed finding out what he chose to do. I would feel disgusted. There came a decision to bring him back, part time status, I don't know who wanted that but it's clear the chemistry took a hit, Harden for sure has changed his stance. The team is shot on the inside. This isn't about one players stats vs anothers, who has better ballhanding skills, who choked in 2018 or left their previous team on bad terms. Honestly, and I have always felt this way from day one, Kyrie has to make this right by showing he cares and take the simple flu shot. That would give us back what is missing in the locker room and make the team whole again, even if someone sat out with an injury for a while.

Kyrie cares. his teammates know it. its obvious. players dont look at it like you do. they all have lives off the court and relate. this has been confirmed by the players themselves.

[3pt_chucker]

Saw some rumors that Nets are interested in Jerami Grant. That might mean the Nets are shopping Joe Harris OR they are thinking of flipping assets from a potential Harden trade to Det.

How crazy is this 3 team trade??



The Nets get younger and much more athletic. Can perhaps throw in Kessler in the deal if Detroit wants to haggle. Philly gets to keep Maxey, Thybulle and Curry. Det gets Clax, picks and flip Danny Green to another contender for something else.

Kyrie | Harris | Grant | KD | Simmons would be a really interesting lineup that while a bit small, would be tough to match up with.

Harden | Curry | Thybulle | Harris | Embiid is also really nice but I'm not really scared of them either.

[HardenGoat]

Saw some rumors that Nets are interested in Jerami Grant. That might mean the Nets are shopping Joe Harris OR they are thinking of flipping assets from a potential Harden trade to Det.

How crazy is this 3 team trade??



The Nets get younger and much more athletic. Can perhaps throw in Kessler in the deal if Detroit wants to haggle. Philly gets to keep Maxey, Thybulle and Curry. Det gets Clax, picks and flip Danny Green to another contender for something else.

Kyrie | Harris | Grant | KD | Simmons would be a really interesting lineup that while a bit small, would be tough to match up with.

Harden | Curry | Thybulle | Harris | Embiid is also really nice but I'm not really scared of them either.

I would do that in a heartbeat, doubt the picks happen, maybe one FRP is on the table?

[3pt_chucker]

Saw some rumors that Nets are interested in Jerami Grant. That might mean the Nets are shopping Joe Harris OR they are thinking of flipping assets from a potential Harden trade to Det.

How crazy is this 3 team trade??



The Nets get younger and much more athletic. Can perhaps throw in Kessler in the deal if Detroit wants to haggle. Philly gets to keep Maxey, Thybulle and Curry. Det gets Clax, picks and flip Danny Green to another contender for something else.

Kyrie | Harris | Grant | KD | Simmons would be a really interesting lineup that while a bit small, would be tough to match up with.

Harden | Curry | Thybulle | Harris | Embiid is also really nice but I'm not really scared of them either.

I would do that in a heartbeat, doubt the picks happen, maybe one FRP is on the table?

If Philly truly doesn't want to give up Maxey, Thybulle or Curry, then they have to put AT LEAST 2 FRPs to make it work. If Philly really only want to throw Danny Green in the deal, he's essentially a negative asset and Korkmaz is a decent bench player. If there aren't multiple picks then the deal is dead because Brooklyn would be losing the best player/assest in the deal and getting $0.25 on the dollar. Marks should and would just keep Harden if 76ers only offer Simmons, Green, Korkmaz/Niang + 1 FRP.

From the Grant side of things, the problem is that there are other teams that might compete for his services, which could drive his price up but the 2 FRPs is still probably overkill. I think if Grant gets traded, it's for a good young player + 1 FRP + 2nds. Or something very similar.

[MrDollarBills]

if you can turn Harden into Simmons and Grant, you do it without thinking twice about it.

[gigantes]

{no actual quote, just a shout out}

Forget the Raptors. If the Nets are 7, that's a home game. If they lose, the next game is a home game. If the Nets are 8 and they lose, the next game is a home game. If the Nets are 9, that's a home game.

The damage Irving has inflicted on this team cannot be understated. It is mind-boggling how anyone can support him.

Kyrie has inflicted 0 damange. COVID/The mandates are not something created by Kyrie.

If the Nets cant win 1 of 2 games at Home with KD/Harden vs. sub .500 teams, they dont deserve to be in.

0 damage. 8 game losing streak, disgruntled Harden, 7 seed for now, voluntarily sitting out putting increased pressure and responsibility on everyone else. Yep. 0 damage.

I'm going to believe you are not actually this obtuse and are willfully ignoring the devastation he's caused. It doesn't matter if he created the mandate. His actions and refusal to sacrifice for his team because of it are 100% responsible for this team's collapse.

There's also only one team 7-10 under .500.

Undermentioned to me is how much harder Kyrie makes things for his teammates.

Kyrie has betrayed this team for his own needs & personal devices for two seasons now. I.e., going in and out of the lineup as his feelings suit him, leaving a black hole in equivalent talent, forcing our other top players to play significantly more minutes than they should, and inevitably getting injured or underperforming.

Harden, Harris, KD... all directly impacted by Kyrie's unpredictable nature, putting more wear, tear & frustration on them, which tends to build up over time.

Nash isn't helping of course, but the more this whole situation hits me, the more I think Bill is right. I.e. there's no longer any polite nor rational reason to keep the gloves on when it comes to Kyrie.

Because when the house is on fire, when your buddies are in the foxhole, when your family desperately needs you in life, that's when you bloody well step up in life, mate.

Kyrie has let absolutely everyone who counted on him as a professional basketball player down, but haha... no problem for him, anyway. Mister multi-millionaire anti-vaxxer will be okay on a personal level. More time to spend in his mansion playing with his expensive toys. Congrats, Kyrie-- played us good, didn't you? Must be nice.

[Prokorov]

{no actual quote, just a shout out}

Kyrie has inflicted 0 damange. COVID/The mandates are not something created by Kyrie.

If the Nets cant win 1 of 2 games at Home with KD/Harden vs. sub .500 teams, they dont deserve to be in.

0 damage. 8 game losing streak, disgruntled Harden, 7 seed for now, voluntarily sitting out putting increased pressure and responsibility on everyone else. Yep. 0 damage.

I'm going to believe you are not actually this obtuse and are willfully ignoring the devastation he's caused. It doesn't matter if he created the mandate. His actions and refusal to sacrifice for his team because of it are 100% responsible for this team's collapse.

There's also only one team 7-10 under .500.

Undermentioned to me is how much harder Kyrie makes things for his teammates.

Kyrie has betrayed this team for his own needs & personal devices for two seasons now. I.e., going in and out of the lineup as his feelings suit him, leaving a black hole in equivalent talent, forcing our other top players to play significantly more minutes than they should, and inevitably getting injured or underperforming.

Harden, Harris, KD... all directly impacted by Kyrie's unpredictable nature, putting more wear, tear & frustration on them, which tends to build up over time.

Nash isn't helping of course, but the more this whole situation hits me, the more I think Bill is right. I.e. there's no longer any polite nor rational reason to keep the gloves on when it comes to Kyrie.

Because when the house is on fire, when your buddies are in the foxhole, when your family desperately needs you in life, that's when you bloody well step up in life, mate.

Kyrie has let absolutely everyone who counted on him as a professional basketball player down, but haha... no problem for him, anyway. Mister multi-millionaire anti-vaxxer will be okay on a personal level. More time to spend in his mansion playing with his expensive toys. Congrats, Kyrie-- played us good, didn't you? Must be nice.

right it is kyrie who is unpredictable, not a once in 100 years pandemic. there is absolutely nothing selfish about what Kyrie did. He made a personal health choice. the selfishness is fans like you who expect people to put their choices and beleifs and families aside so you can be more entertained watching sports on TV. disgusting.

Playing with his expensive toys? dude donates and helps the community more in a day then you will in 10 lifetimes.

get off your high horse and have some effing perspective.

[gigantes]

{no actual quote, just a shout out}

0 damage. 8 game losing streak, disgruntled Harden, 7 seed for now, voluntarily sitting out putting increased pressure and responsibility on everyone else. Yep. 0 damage.

I'm going to believe you are not actually this obtuse and are willfully ignoring the devastation he's caused. It doesn't matter if he created the mandate. His actions and refusal to sacrifice for his team because of it are 100% responsible for this team's collapse.

There's also only one team 7-10 under .500.

Undermentioned to me is how much harder Kyrie makes things for his teammates.

Kyrie has betrayed this team for his own needs & personal devices for two seasons now. I.e., going in and out of the lineup as his feelings suit him, leaving a black hole in equivalent talent, forcing our other top players to play significantly more minutes than they should, and inevitably getting injured or underperforming.

Harden, Harris, KD... all directly impacted by Kyrie's unpredictable nature, putting more wear, tear & frustration on them, which tends to build up over time.

Nash isn't helping of course, but the more this whole situation hits me, the more I think Bill is right. I.e. there's no longer any polite nor rational reason to keep the gloves on when it comes to Kyrie.

Because when the house is on fire, when your buddies are in the foxhole, when your family desperately needs you in life, that's when you bloody well step up in life, mate.

Kyrie has let absolutely everyone who counted on him as a professional basketball player down, but haha... no problem for him, anyway. Mister multi-millionaire anti-vaxxer will be okay on a personal level. More time to spend in his mansion playing with his expensive toys. Congrats, Kyrie-- played us good, didn't you? Must be nice.

right it is kyrie who is unpredictable, not a once in 100 years pandemic. there is absolutely nothing selfish about what Kyrie did. He made a personal health choice. the selfishness is fans like you who expect people to put their choices and beleifs and families aside so you can be more entertained watching sports on TV. disgusting.

Playing with his expensive toys? dude donates and helps the community more in a day then you will in 10 lifetimes.

get off your high horse and have some effing perspective.

Lol... my god, you are living inside your own head like no other, dude.

First of all-- you don't know me, you don't know what I contribute to my local community, you have no metrics, and pity the fool who equates scamming one source to 'benevolently hand out things to another' a credit to their community, or a model for society.

Every Robber-Baron and grifter with a PR dept learned that lesson long ago, Proky. Probably back to Mesopotamian Times (or earlier) when it comes down to it. I.e., do you know your basic history? (because it kinda sounds like you don't)

"Personal Health Choice," my ass. Dude's a flat-out whack-job narcissistic, and you're only getting worse. Maybe add Joe Rogan for the lulz?

Maybe the most unfortunate thing of all--
you really haven't learned a single godamn thing from all this, have you?