Official ‘24-25 Off-season Thread

[Stone]

Like, we legitimately gifted Boston a championship, after giving them years of a perennial contender. And they're still in great position to continue to win titles. Regardless, Boston fans know their team is a lock for 50-60 wins, if not more, every year and will be one of a handful of teams that has a legitimate shot at a title. While still being young with draft capital. That's what happens when you don't panic because you have a loyal fanbase no matter what and you're not in a rivalry with another team that only exists in your own head, because the other team doesn't even think about you.

I got to agree, even when it happened I hated that trade. Pierce and Garnett were too old at 36 and 37 back in 2013. Old, washed and not longer longer hungry is not a good combo. Still ranks up there with the worst trade of all time and now it all but confirmed. And now we get to watch Houston build something with our picks all over again. How many times do we have to touch a hot stove to know it is going to burn us?

[TheNetsFan]

Don't remember where I was on that discussion, think I may have been for it, because I've always liked Brown and KD really didn't want to stay.

But Brown on the Nets is not Brown on the Celtics.

With that said, I really like Bridges. Unfortunately, he's a wasted talent on our current team...for his sake, I think moving on for him to let him contribute on a contender elsewhere would be the best move. We can also help recoup draft capital from him.

Hes not. But hes WAY better than Bridges.

And I think we are a playoff team with a scorer like him.

I feel you, I was one that didn't like that trade, I felt like we needed a little more. But now, I definitely would of done that trade. But on the other hand we got a bunch of Suns picks and they might actually suck during those years, it would be nice if finally catch a break and draft a star for once but the NBA don't like giving us the #1 pick for whatever reason.

Also like therealbig 3 said, Brown wouldn't be as good here as he is in Boston. He would be double teamed all the time and probably get exposed even more. Regardless he's still a very good player and better than Bridges. We just have to hope Suns suck during the late 20 years.

There was never any doubt as to whether Brown was the best player available for KD. There were other complicating factors though.
1) He shares some personality traits & was vocally supporting Kyrie during the controversial times.
2) He would be a soon to be FA that would have been disgruntled having been traded from a perennial contender & no longer eligible for a supermax deal due to being traded.
3) Debates, that now seem extremely foolish, as to whether White was worth having his deal on the '25 books rather than having cap space. White hadn't really broken out yet at that point.

[Netaman]

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Unless the current Mitchell extending in CLE vibes are false, I think Trae ends up the guy here.

If the Cavs move Garland, my guess is they move him out to SAS (who have reported interest in Garland, but not Trae).

I could see Miami and LAL both interested in Trae, but I think Nets can beat those offers without the price being 2 painful. whatever pieces ATL wants + 2 phoenix picks is better than either of those teams can offer in terms of unprotecteds, which would allow nets to keep 1 PHO pick and 1 swap.

Murray at a cheaper price is a better fit for LAL if Hawks decide to cash in everything (which they should probably do).

If Hawks take back Schroder in a Trae deal, he can functionally replace most of what Murray did while Hawks bring back a couple picks from LAL.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I doubt that Trae will be available.

Murray is the one most likely to be traded but I don’t think Brooklyn should give up value for him unless it’s DFS, Shroder and a 1st with DFS going to a 3rd team

[Hello Brooklyn]

Don't remember where I was on that discussion, think I may have been for it, because I've always liked Brown and KD really didn't want to stay.

But Brown on the Nets is not Brown on the Celtics.

With that said, I really like Bridges. Unfortunately, he's a wasted talent on our current team...for his sake, I think moving on for him to let him contribute on a contender elsewhere would be the best move. We can also help recoup draft capital from him.

Hes not. But hes WAY better than Bridges.

And I think we are a playoff team with a scorer like him.

I feel you, I was one that didn't like that trade, I felt like we needed a little more. But now, I definitely would of done that trade. But on the other hand we got a bunch of Suns picks and they might actually suck during those years, it would be nice if finally catch a break and draft a star for once but the NBA don't like giving us the #1 pick for whatever reason.

Also like therealbig 3 said, Brown wouldn't be as good here as he is in Boston. He would be double teamed all the time and probably get exposed even more. Regardless he's still a very good player and better than Bridges. We just have to hope Suns suck during the late 20 years.

I really don't care about those Suns picks as much as others do. They have a billionaire owner determined to make sure they don't bottom out. And Marks probably picks the wrong player anyway.

I'd rather just try to get a star level player now. Maybe rebuild if Houston is willing to give our picks back.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The problem is, we kind of suck in terms of fanbase. Honestly. We have a billion dollar arena that's barely going to sell tickets if we do the OKC approach and just patiently scout and draft and keep compiling picks and young assets until we build a core that we can win with. We also have a huge little brother complex and a pretty one-sided competition with the Knicks at an organizational level, so everything we do is with them in mind.

That's why we've been so star-focused and so intent on selling the farm for win-now situations, because if we don't, we don't have patient ownership that's willing to wait it out, because we won't be selling tickets and all of the attention is gonna go to the Knicks. We barely became a talking point compared to the Knicks when we had KD/Kyrie/Harden and were cruising towards a title until injuries knocked us out, you think winning 30-40 games a season while we develop a core organically without wasting assets is how our team wants to go? Nah, we're gonna go for a core that wins 40-50 games, has no real team success outside of what, a 2nd round appearance at best, and continues to mortgage our future. Until that runs its course, and we have to deal with another 5 years or so of having no talent and no assets and then do the whole thing over again.

Sucks being a Nets fan.

I don't agree that we were barely a talking point.

Nets were developing a real fanbase the last few years. We were even taking over MSG at times and briefly surpassed the Knicks in ratings.

Entire national media was entirely focused on the Nets too.

But you need to give people something to cheer for. KD/Kyrie/Harden debacle hurt our reputation bad.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I doubt that Trae will be available.

Murray is the one most likely to be traded but I don’t think Brooklyn should give up value for him unless it’s DFS, Shroder and a 1st with DFS going to a 3rd team

ATL wants to rebuild and Trae doesn't. He will demand a trade if they don't do it themselves.

It will be an ugly divorce otherwise. I expect it to be handled this off season

And if we don't trade for him Lakers probably will. Or Miami.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I doubt that Trae will be available.

Murray is the one most likely to be traded but I don’t think Brooklyn should give up value for him unless it’s DFS, Shroder and a 1st with DFS going to a 3rd team

ATL wants to rebuild and Trae doesn't. He will demand a trade if they don't do it themselves.

It will be an ugly divorce otherwise. I expect it to be handled this off season

And if we don't trade for him Lakers probably will. Or Miami.

I don’t think those reports are true.

Atlanta doesn’t have their picks either.

I think they move Murray for a better fit and commit to Trae.

[Netaman]

I doubt that Trae will be available.

Murray is the one most likely to be traded but I don’t think Brooklyn should give up value for him unless it’s DFS, Shroder and a 1st with DFS going to a 3rd team

ATL wants to rebuild and Trae doesn't. He will demand a trade if they don't do it themselves.

It will be an ugly divorce otherwise. I expect it to be handled this off season

And if we don't trade for him Lakers probably will. Or Miami.

I don’t think those reports are true.

Atlanta doesn’t have their picks either.

I think they move Murray for a better fit and commit to Trae.

They tried that and couldnt get anyone interested in Murray. Lakers are 2nd apron so they are restricted in trade options and now have DLo expiring and unlikely to do them any favors in S&T or PO.

I'm not entire positive about the new CBA quirks but Lakers can't even aggregate salaries at the 2nd apron so they may not even be an option for Murray.

The Nets are going to be one of the few big markets with both the appeal and flexibility to add a star easily. Heat/LAL/NYK need to do a lot of maneuvering.

[Netaman]

This is something I hadn't really thought about, but if BOS can't afford to bring back White at the max, and Nets could line up S&T's with say Schroder and DFS going to different places, is White an option worth considering for PG while holding all the PHO ammo for another star down the line (like Greek freak)?

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Maybe even make a mid-level star trade for someone like Ingram, but not extend him? I.e. Simmons (maybe to 3rd team?), PHI27, CamT for Ingram.

White / Watford
Bridges / Whitehead
Ingram / Wilson
CamJ / Clowney
Claxton / Sharpe

plus room to sign a bunch of veterans.

in a way that's a poor man's boston minus jrue, bridges/ingram obviously aren't on the level of brown/tatum but they should be good enough regular season to get to postseason if Jordi has everyone bought in.

and they'd still have Ingram as a big expiring in 2025 plus all the PHO (and DAL) picks. If Ingram doesn't work out you can either cash him in at the deadline or plan to use him as a S&T piece since someone will want to sign him in 2025 (unlike Ben).

I'm not sure White is a guy you max out, but then again Brunson and FVV weren't so obvious a few years ago either. He seems like a very good culture piece and even if he doesn't work out as lead guard, you know he can be a useful piece in a variety of winning roles as he's been in Boston. He wouldn't stop you from adding an elite lead guard and shifting him off ball some.

[Netaman]

This works in trade checker, who says no?

Magic get DFS for pick #18 and a future 2nd.
Boston gets Schroder to replace White while saving money.
Detroit eats Ben's contract in return for PHI27, a future 2nd, and Walsh (to make cap work for BOS)

Nets get White on a big extension + #18 and #55 in this year's draft, plus a ton of cap space including a giant TE for Simmons. White should give them one of the best defensive lineups in the NBA, and be a pretty good compliment next to CamT in starting lineup. They'd have room to go out and sign some good bench pieces (BRUCE BROWN!!!) to big 1 year deals too.



Even without a follow-up move like Ingram, this seems like a much more interesting team than last year's:

White
CamT
Bridges
CamJ
Claxton

6th man = Bruce Brown

young guys to develop off bench = Clowney, Wilson, Whitehead, #18, etc.

not sure that group is improved enough to do much better closing out games, but maybe if CamT takes another step and White can be an effective floor leader late game?

[Papi_swav]

Hes not. But hes WAY better than Bridges.

And I think we are a playoff team with a scorer like him.

I feel you, I was one that didn't like that trade, I felt like we needed a little more. But now, I definitely would of done that trade. But on the other hand we got a bunch of Suns picks and they might actually suck during those years, it would be nice if finally catch a break and draft a star for once but the NBA don't like giving us the #1 pick for whatever reason.

Also like therealbig 3 said, Brown wouldn't be as good here as he is in Boston. He would be double teamed all the time and probably get exposed even more. Regardless he's still a very good player and better than Bridges. We just have to hope Suns suck during the late 20 years.

I really don't care about those Suns picks as much as others do. They have a billionaire owner determined to make sure they don't bottom out. And Marks probably picks the wrong player anyway.

I'd rather just try to get a star level player now. Maybe rebuild if Houston is willing to give our picks back.

there is no indication that Marks will pick the wrong players, he's hit on almost every single pick we had and most those picks were in the 20s. Marks is great at drafting which is why I don't want him out as a GM. That's half the battle of being a great GM, is drafting right and marks does that. I understand that Suns have a billionaire owner, but players have to actually WANT to go to Phoenix to play too. Unless he vastly overpays for mediocre talent.

[Papi_swav]

This is something I hadn't really thought about, but if BOS can't afford to bring back White at the max, and Nets could line up S&T's with say Schroder and DFS going to different places, is White an option worth considering for PG while holding all the PHO ammo for another star down the line (like Greek freak)?

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Maybe even make a mid-level star trade for someone like Ingram, but not extend him? I.e. Simmons (maybe to 3rd team?), PHI27, CamT for Ingram.

White / Watford
Bridges / Whitehead
Ingram / Wilson
CamJ / Clowney
Claxton / Sharpe

plus room to sign a bunch of veterans.

in a way that's a poor man's boston minus jrue, bridges/ingram obviously aren't on the level of brown/tatum but they should be good enough regular season to get to postseason if Jordi has everyone bought in.

and they'd still have Ingram as a big expiring in 2025 plus all the PHO (and DAL) picks. If Ingram doesn't work out you can either cash him in at the deadline or plan to use him as a S&T piece since someone will want to sign him in 2025 (unlike Ben).

I'm not sure White is a guy you max out, but then again Brunson and FVV weren't so obvious a few years ago either. He seems like a very good culture piece and even if he doesn't work out as lead guard, you know he can be a useful piece in a variety of winning roles as he's been in Boston. He wouldn't stop you from adding an elite lead guard and shifting him off ball some.

Boston can't let White go, him and Jrue are probably the 2 most important players on their team after Brown. Tatum is not looking like that guy, I wouldn't be surprised if Boston entertains some trade offers for Tatum.

But they're def going to get rid of KP before any of these guys. White and Jrue are way too important for them and they make legit winning plays. Yes Tatum is a star but history shows he folds at important times while the other guys are showing up. He's lucky he has a good team that's bailing him out, other wise he'd be another Carmelo. He's def not kobe.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I feel you, I was one that didn't like that trade, I felt like we needed a little more. But now, I definitely would of done that trade. But on the other hand we got a bunch of Suns picks and they might actually suck during those years, it would be nice if finally catch a break and draft a star for once but the NBA don't like giving us the #1 pick for whatever reason.

Also like therealbig 3 said, Brown wouldn't be as good here as he is in Boston. He would be double teamed all the time and probably get exposed even more. Regardless he's still a very good player and better than Bridges. We just have to hope Suns suck during the late 20 years.

I really don't care about those Suns picks as much as others do. They have a billionaire owner determined to make sure they don't bottom out. And Marks probably picks the wrong player anyway.

I'd rather just try to get a star level player now. Maybe rebuild if Houston is willing to give our picks back.

there is no indication that Marks will pick the wrong players, he's hit on almost every single pick we had and most those picks were in the 20s. Marks is great at drafting which is why I don't want him out as a GM. That's half the battle of being a great GM, is drafting right and marks does that. I understand that Suns have a billionaire owner, but players have to actually WANT to go to Phoenix to play too. Unless he vastly overpays for mediocre talent.

Even a good GM will pick the wrong players. The draft is a crap shoot. I'd rather take a guaranteed star if possible.

[Papi_swav]

I really don't care about those Suns picks as much as others do. They have a billionaire owner determined to make sure they don't bottom out. And Marks probably picks the wrong player anyway.

I'd rather just try to get a star level player now. Maybe rebuild if Houston is willing to give our picks back.

there is no indication that Marks will pick the wrong players, he's hit on almost every single pick we had and most those picks were in the 20s. Marks is great at drafting which is why I don't want him out as a GM. That's half the battle of being a great GM, is drafting right and marks does that. I understand that Suns have a billionaire owner, but players have to actually WANT to go to Phoenix to play too. Unless he vastly overpays for mediocre talent.

Even a good GM will pick the wrong players. The draft is a crap shoot. I'd rather take a guaranteed star if possible.

bro this is not just get what you want, that's not how it's done. Why would stars want to come here? to play with Bridges? lol we need to put together a nice roster to make stars want to come here. Or we have to trade everything away to acquire one, and the guys you guys want in here are not going to push the needle. Trae and D Mitchell are not championship guys, they are guys that will lead us to the 2nd round at best !! If you're fine with being a treadmill team then ok, but I'm not.

You say the draft is a crapshoot which is very true.. But you also have teams like the Pistons who drafts the wrong guys every single year and it holds them back for another 3 years. Look how bad they been for like 2 decades, there is levels to this. Since Marks been here all of our picks were in the 20s or later with the exception of Levert who was #17 I believe, and he's hit on almost every single one of them. So imagine Marks with a top 10 pick for once in his tenure.

[Claud]

Eh Brown/Tatum was never enough to win the chip.

While it's true it was an awful trade, I don't think that was the main reason BOS won.

The fact they got Holiday from the Bucks is what tilted the scales.

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[therealbig3]

Eh Brown/Tatum was never enough to win the chip.

While it's true it was an awful trade, I don't think that was the main reason BOS won.

The fact they got Holiday from the Bucks is what tilted the scales.

lol, I mean they’re the two best players on the team and the team was developed over the years around them. Of course you need a good team in place, but the core that led them to the title was the duo of Tatum and Brown, which we gifted them.

And even before this championship, they were a very successful 1-2 punch that routinely led contenders that made deep playoff runs every year pretty much.

It is what it is, but we don’t have to sugarcoat the fact that we pretty directly gift-wrapped Boston this title by giving them their two best players.

[NetsWorld]

Eh Brown/Tatum was never enough to win the chip.

While it's true it was an awful trade, I don't think that was the main reason BOS won.

The fact they got Holiday from the Bucks is what tilted the scales.

lol, I mean they’re the two best players on the team and the team was developed over the years around them. Of course you need a good team in place, but the core that led them to the title was the duo of Tatum and Brown, which we gifted them.

And even before this championship, they were a very successful 1-2 punch that routinely led contenders that made deep playoff runs every year pretty much.

It is what it is, but we don’t have to sugarcoat the fact that we pretty directly gift-wrapped Boston this title by giving them their two best players.

I just cannot understand why this FO is still stuck in 2019 as if nothing has changed; it feels as though most teams have jumped many steps ahead of us in terms of how to actually build a team the right way. We still are allergic to actual big man who can bang down low and punish teams and we are still hell bent on building around a third option player in Bridges. At this point, either you trade him for your picks back, especially the 2025 pick, unless you can get a Chet Holmgrem( highly unlikely). The Nets are not going to be championship bound for at least the next five years. Do I think the Nets will eventually win an NBA title? Yes! Because the league is shifting and I do feel that this franchise will eventually get one.... Sadly, Nets fans may have to wait it out.

[Hello Brooklyn]

In reality we should have just signed Kyrie to the extension.

I think he would have calmed down a bit. And we had pieces to make a few more trades.

Do we beat Boston with KD-Kyrie? Maybe not.

But I'd rather wait it out with that duo for a few more years than this mess.

The idea that Kyrie was an irredeemable cancer pushed by many and eventually embraced by me towards the end was clearly wrong.