Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

Paradise · Post #2401 » by **Paradise** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 4:21 pm

Past Tense...Yikes.

MGrand15 · Post #2402 » by **MGrand15** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 4:40 pm

There's a lot of smoke with the draft process but I think it's pretty telling that we're showing a lot of interest in guards. There's a chance were just going for BPA or we plan on playing Dinwiddie/LeVert at 2/3 more. The most obvious assumption is that we think Spencer or LeVert are definitely gone and want a young guard as insurance. Marks could also just be doing his homework on the entire draft.

Would suck for Spencer if he took a small discount to stay here - helped recruit Kyrie and make us relevant - and doesn't play a minute when were supposed to contend.

MrDollarBills · Post #2403 » by **MrDollarBills** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 4:52 pm

MGrand15 wrote:There's a lot of smoke with the draft process but I think it's pretty telling that we're showing a lot of interest in guards. There's a chance were just going for BPA or we plan on playing Dinwiddie/LeVert at 2/3 more. The most obvious assumption is that we think Spencer or LeVert are definitely gone and want a young guard as insurance. Marks could also just be doing his homework on the entire draft.

Would suck for Spencer if he took a small discount to stay here - helped recruit Kyrie and make us relevant - and doesn't play a minute when were supposed to contend.

With the news that the Nets were working out RJ Hampton, I have a feeling that someone is going to be gone this month.

Prokorov · Post #2404 » by **Prokorov** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 5:04 pm

i wouldnt put too much stock into who we are working out. odds are we need the #19 pick to make a trade anyhow

DarkXaero · Post #2405 » by **DarkXaero** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 7:11 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:
DarkXaero wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:Dinwiddie did not give us a discount last time. He opted to take the security of guaranteed money on an extension as soon as he could instead of getting more in free agency. The decision was understandable given he had earned peanuts before that. He also knew one significant injury at that point probably meant being much closer to the minimum again.

Given that he's been underpaid and will be relegated to a backup role here, it's reasonable to assume that he'll seek the highest pay day and/or a starting job.
This is not true, he would have gotten more in free agency but he signed an extension with us early. (there was also a NBA imposed limit to how much we could offer him on an extension)

On the extension he signed in 2018, Dinwiddie said that if "everything goes to ****," as he put it, his family would be fine. Besides, he wanted to be in a winning situation and in a spot he liked. "There's a mental health aspect to this stuff," Dinwiddie said: It's a great city, and he likes going to work here. The Nets couldn't have offered him a penny more at the time.

"If it was about just getting the maximum dollar, I'd have took $70 million, went to a bad team and got my head cracked every time," Dinwiddie said. "But it's about more than that."

I recall reading more about where he talked about that he could have waited till summer to take more, but he wanted to stay here, however I can't find those interviews right now.

What's not true? He opted for the peace of mind by signing for the most he could get on an early extension, rather than rolling the dice on making it to FA healthy. If he could have gotten more on the extension, he would've asked for & taken more. He took the max $34.4mil extension, not as a discount, but as a security blanket.

You said he didn't give us a discount last time, I provided evidence as for why its not true, whatever the reasons for that may be (financial security, preferable situation, a sense of loyalty, etc.). That extension was a discount, he has said as such in interviews, unless you want to call him a liar now.

DarkXaero · Post #2406 » by **DarkXaero** » Mon Nov 9, 2020 7:13 pm

Paradise wrote:Past Tense...Yikes.

Read on Twitter

Anything Spencer says on social media should not be taken seriously, the dude says a lot of stuff to mess around. He may or may not get traded this offseason but that tweet really doesn't mean much, it's just Spencer being Spencer.

MrDollarBills · Post #2407 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:21 am

Word is Allen is looking for Clint Capela money.

I like Allen, but no. Even Clint Capela is looking like a bad contract right now

vincecarter4pres · Post #2408 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:40 am

MrDollarBills wrote:Word is Allen is looking for Clint Capela money.

I like Allen, but no. Even Clint Capela is looking like a bad contract right now

Yeah that’s crazy talk with the COVID cap and all that, plus that centers aren’t baked like that so much anymore.

I’m guess he’s traded by this time next week.

Prokorov · Post #2409 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:48 am

vincecarter4pres wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Word is Allen is looking for Clint Capela money.

I like Allen, but no. Even Clint Capela is looking like a bad contract right now

Yeah that’s crazy talk with the COVID cap and all that, plus that centers aren’t baked like that so much anymore.

I’m guess he’s traded by this time next week.

This is why i said out assets are being overvalued a bit. Spencer/Allen are 1 year rentals looking for big contracts. Maybe they dont get the money they seek, but any team trading for them is anticipating them wanting big money and if they dont pay them testing the FA waters,

ecuhus1981 · Post #2410 » by **ecuhus1981** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 2:13 am

Paradise wrote:Past Tense...Yikes.

Read on Twitter

I give Spencer a ton of credit. He's a really, really good player, and his name has been in the trade rumor mill for forever. That can't feel awesome, and he's handled it with dignity.

MrDollarBills · Post #2411 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:59 am

Prokorov wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Word is Allen is looking for Clint Capela money.

I like Allen, but no. Even Clint Capela is looking like a bad contract right now

Yeah that’s crazy talk with the COVID cap and all that, plus that centers aren’t baked like that so much anymore.

I’m guess he’s traded by this time next week.

This is why i said out assets are being overvalued a bit. Spencer/Allen are 1 year rentals looking for big contracts. Maybe they dont get the money they seek, but any team trading for them is anticipating them wanting big money and if they dont pay them testing the FA waters,

This is what I keep saying, what teams are going to trade for those two?

LeVert? Yes. I think he has value across the league. Spencer and Allen do too, but they are not under controlled contracts so their value takes a massive hit.

All I know is that if this stuff about Allen wanting 90 for 5 is true, then the Nets have to move him somehow. We can't pay that to him especially when we don't know when league revenues will return back to pre covid levels. I don't blame him for wanting money, but whoever his agent is isn't looking at the NBA landscape realistically. He's not a stretch 5 or scoring big, rim runners aren't going to get paid huge dollars.

Brook Lopez makes 12.5 mil a season. How on earth is Allen even asking for 18 mil right now?

Prokorov · Post #2412 » by **Prokorov** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:17 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Prokorov wrote:
vincecarter4pres wrote:Yeah that’s crazy talk with the COVID cap and all that, plus that centers aren’t baked like that so much anymore.

I’m guess he’s traded by this time next week.

This is why i said out assets are being overvalued a bit. Spencer/Allen are 1 year rentals looking for big contracts. Maybe they dont get the money they seek, but any team trading for them is anticipating them wanting big money and if they dont pay them testing the FA waters,

This is what I keep saying, what teams are going to trade for those two?

LeVert? Yes. I think he has value across the league. Spencer and Allen do too, but they are not under controlled contracts so their value takes a massive hit.

All I know is that if this stuff about Allen wanting 90 for 5 is true, then the Nets have to move him somehow. We can't pay that to him especially when we don't know when league revenues will return back to pre covid levels. I don't blame him for wanting money, but whoever his agent is isn't looking at the NBA landscape realistically. He's not a stretch 5 or scoring big, rim runners aren't going to get paid huge dollars.

Brook Lopez makes 12.5 mil a season. How on earth is Allen even asking for 18 mil right now?

even with levert.,, he has a really poor injury history, ive said all along the 2022 pick is our best asset

MGrand15 · Post #2413 » by **MGrand15** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:44 am

MrDollarBills wrote:Word is Allen is looking for Clint Capela money.

I like Allen, but no. Even Clint Capela is looking like a bad contract right now

Wouldn't read into that at all. He should want as much money as possible. JA is a restricted FA next year. Doesn't have too much control over his situation and the market for centers is always strange. Capela himself wanted more money than he got.

Paradise · Post #2414 » by **Paradise** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 7:03 am

Read on Twitter

MrDollarBills · Post #2415 » by **MrDollarBills** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:59 am

Paradise wrote:

Read on Twitter

Los Angeles is close to 3,000 miles away from Brooklyn, but that’s where a host of NBA players — including more than a half-dozen Nets — have come from far and wide to work out at the Sports Academy. And reports from the gym are that Durant has been nothing short of dominant.

DarkXaero · Post #2416 » by **DarkXaero** » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:06 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Word is Allen is looking for Clint Capela money.

I like Allen, but no. Even Clint Capela is looking like a bad contract right now

Yeah that’s crazy talk with the COVID cap and all that, plus that centers aren’t baked like that so much anymore.

I’m guess he’s traded by this time next week.

I find it hard to believe that Allen is letting his intentions known this early. Most likely talk from his agent, and either way its not happening. Centers' value is not the same anymore as few years ago, and with covid impact on cap, I'm gonna guess Allen will end up at $12-14 mill/yr, which is a deal I'll gladly take.

TheNetsFan · Post #2417 » by **TheNetsFan** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 2:31 am

I don't think Capela money is that crazy for Allen. 5/$80mil guaranteed and another $2mil per year in unlikely incentives. Maybe it's a little high, but not crazy high.

ecuhus1981 · Post #2418 » by **ecuhus1981** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:05 am

It's high for the financial climate for centers, but I expect his agent to float this sort of number as a starting point of negotiations.

drchaos · Post #2419 » by **drchaos** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 12:21 pm

While I am sure that Dinwiddie and Allen are looking forward to cashing in on long term deals as soon as they can it would make a lot of sense for everyone if both players were extended for one year with generous compensation.

That way the Nets get the next two seasons to make a serious run deep into the playoffs and possibly a couple of championships.

Being a part of that not only increases the trade value for both players but should help them land huge contracts later on.

Claud · Post #2420 » by **Claud** » Wed Nov 11, 2020 3:47 pm

I would love to keep Allen, Dinwiddie, Harris and Caris in the squad to make a championship run. Would love to see that.

Those guys have brought some relevancy + heart to our team during the last few years even though none of them were lotto picks or seen as high potential guys. I appreciate them.

With that being said, I have a feeling It might now work out that way.

If the Fro is really looking for 18m per that is insane. I think he should be in the 11-14m range. I think he has potential to be worth that much in a couple of years but not today not to mention it would handicapp our moves for a chip run.

Dinwiddie is a great baller and has grown a lot during the last few seasons but going by his personality, you just know there's a HIGH chance he bolts after his contract expires. He would be a starting guard for most teams + can get PAID. Makes total sense from a businessman POV.

I feel like LeVert has slightly higher ceiling than Dinwiddie but Dinwiddie has been less injury prone. LeVert is on a solid team friendly deal and still has room to grow as he is entering his prime. I feel like Dinwiddie and LeVert have the same role for us but because Caris already has a long term contract I can see us keeping him over Dinwiddie. Is it the correct choice? Nobody knows we'll have to wait and see.

Joe Harris is a MUST keep for us. Elite shooter + high BBIQ + Grit + great teamate. I would be gutted if we lose Joey buckets.

Like I said my hope is we can keep the squad intact and see what we have but rumors are starting to perculate already.

Either way the franchise is in a great position to be a serious title contender during the next 2-3 years.