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Post#261 » by Net Sentence » Sun May 22, 2016 11:34 am

therealbig3 wrote:Rajon Rondo is not a good basketball player. This has been proven over and over and over again.

I wouldn't want him on a vet minimum contract.


It has? based on what exactly? One year in Dallas.

His body of work isnt just impressive, it's hall of fame impressive.

- He has led the league in assists multiple times (3) and as recently as this year and please dont tell me he is a selfish passer. That's an oxymoron. It's like saying jumbo shrimp.

- He has the 3rd highest DBPM ever for a PG so dont feed me that he isnt a good defender. He was top 5 at PG this season.

- He plays better in the playoffs. When the stakes are the highest, he has played his best.

- He has improved his shooting. He went 62/170 for 36.5% on 3s this year. Compare that to Mike Conley who was 78/215 for 36.3% from 3.

- Rondo shot 63.9% at the rim (inside 3 feet) this year and that was 34.4% of his shots at the rim. Conley only shot 54.4% and took only 26.1% of his shots at the rim.
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Post#262 » by MrDollarBills » Sun May 22, 2016 1:38 pm

Listen I think Rondo can ball but the attitude, unwillingness to play any other way but his own ball domineering way or it will lead to a problem (see Dallas) are a no go. You want your PG to be a leader, not a guy who gets kicked off of playoff rosters. That is a huge red flag and I'm pretty sure its why no other team other than the Kings took a chance with him.

Also, you and Prok are spinning so hard with Rondo's shooting...dude's TS is 50% this season. Any other player posts that number and you'd both be lambasting him for that, especially Prok lol
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Post#263 » by Born_Ready » Sun May 22, 2016 1:44 pm

There really is no reason to argue or banter back and forth about a player that is not even a guarantee will even go to Brooklyn. I'm going to wait and reserve course of thought until Rondo is actually on the Brooklyn payroll. To argue about him just seems rather moot at this point.
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Post#264 » by DeRoma » Sun May 22, 2016 1:54 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Listen I think Rondo can ball but the attitude, unwillingness to play any other way but his own ball domineering way or it will lead to a problem (see Dallas) are a no go. You want your PG to be a leader, not a guy who gets kicked off of playoff rosters. That is a huge red flag and I'm pretty sure its why no other team other than the Kings took a chance with him.

Also, you and Prok are spinning so hard with Rondo's shooting...dude's TS is 50% this season. Any other player posts that number and you'd both be lambasting him for that, especially Prok lol

I don't think so. He was able to play with Pierce, KG, and Allen where he had to share the ball in the right way. I think in our situation right now he can be ball dominating as much as he wants. Until we develop players and gain more half-court offense.
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Post#265 » by Prokorov » Sun May 22, 2016 2:15 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Listen I think Rondo can ball but the attitude, unwillingness to play any other way but his own ball domineering way or it will lead to a problem (see Dallas) are a no go. You want your PG to be a leader, not a guy who gets kicked off of playoff rosters. That is a huge red flag and I'm pretty sure its why no other team other than the Kings took a chance with him.

Also, you and Prok are spinning so hard with Rondo's shooting...dude's TS is 50% this season. Any other player posts that number and you'd both be lambasting him for that, especially Prok lol

I don't think so. He was able to play with Pierce, KG, and Allen where he had to share the ball in the right way. I think in our situation right now he can be ball dominating as much as he wants. Until we develop players and gain more half-court offense.


yup.. i mean...

1) its kind of silly to call a point gaurd who has an 19% usage rate and averages 12 assist a game "ball dominating"

2) we kind of NEED someone who can dominate the ball and create offense for other guys.

either way, its a good fit. look at how many layups rondo spoon fed WCS and cousins. i think rondo would bring brooks game to a new level.
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Post#266 » by DeRoma » Sun May 22, 2016 2:53 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Listen I think Rondo can ball but the attitude, unwillingness to play any other way but his own ball domineering way or it will lead to a problem (see Dallas) are a no go. You want your PG to be a leader, not a guy who gets kicked off of playoff rosters. That is a huge red flag and I'm pretty sure its why no other team other than the Kings took a chance with him.

Also, you and Prok are spinning so hard with Rondo's shooting...dude's TS is 50% this season. Any other player posts that number and you'd both be lambasting him for that, especially Prok lol

I don't think so. He was able to play with Pierce, KG, and Allen where he had to share the ball in the right way. I think in our situation right now he can be ball dominating as much as he wants. Until we develop players and gain more half-court offense.


yup.. i mean...

1) its kind of silly to call a point gaurd who has an 19% usage rate and averages 12 assist a game "ball dominating"

2) we kind of NEED someone who can dominate the ball and create offense for other guys.

either way, its a good fit. look at how many layups rondo spoon fed WCS and cousins. i think rondo would bring brooks game to a new level.

I agree. He is also has one of the best bounce passes which is perfect for brook who doesn't look to finish alley-oops but under the rim.
Everything about Rondo screams perfect for the Nets and what we have right now. Even with advance statistic and the eyeball test. I can't see how this is even a risky move. I just don't understand why half the people on this board thins otherwise.
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Post#267 » by Net Sentence » Sun May 22, 2016 6:57 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:Listen I think Rondo can ball but the attitude, unwillingness to play any other way but his own ball domineering way or it will lead to a problem (see Dallas) are a no go. You want your PG to be a leader, not a guy who gets kicked off of playoff rosters. That is a huge red flag and I'm pretty sure its why no other team other than the Kings took a chance with him.

Also, you and Prok are spinning so hard with Rondo's shooting...dude's TS is 50% this season. Any other player posts that number and you'd both be lambasting him for that, especially Prok lol


Both Rondo and Lin need to be the primary ball handler so what's the difference besides Rondo being a much better player. Conley's game is starting to show decline as his numbers were down significantly across the board. His game is starting to look like DWIll's in that he cant finish inside and is dependent on 3s. Plus his defensive metrics were awful last year and he is coming off injury.

Rondo's TS% is low, mostly because of his FT%. His eFG% was 49.4% which is TS without FTs. Conley only had a 47.8% eFG while Lin had 46.4% eFG so Rondo is much better at putting the ball in the basket.

Outside of his FT%, Rondo does everything else. Outside of 1 season, Rondo has been a top PG.
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Post#268 » by KM6 » Sun May 22, 2016 7:45 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Listen I think Rondo can ball but the attitude, unwillingness to play any other way but his own ball domineering way or it will lead to a problem (see Dallas) are a no go. You want your PG to be a leader, not a guy who gets kicked off of playoff rosters. That is a huge red flag and I'm pretty sure its why no other team other than the Kings took a chance with him.

Also, you and Prok are spinning so hard with Rondo's shooting...dude's TS is 50% this season. Any other player posts that number and you'd both be lambasting him for that, especially Prok lol


Both Rondo and Lin need to be the primary ball handler so what's the difference besides Rondo being a much better player. Conley's game is starting to show decline as his numbers were down significantly across the board. His game is starting to look like DWIll's in that he cant finish inside and is dependent on 3s. Plus his defensive metrics were awful last year and he is coming off injury.

Rondo's TS% is low, mostly because of his FT%. His eFG% was 49.4% which is TS without FTs. Conley only had a 47.8% eFG while Lin had 46.4% eFG so Rondo is much better at putting the ball in the basket.

Outside of his FT%, Rondo does everything else. Outside of 1 season, Rondo has been a top PG.


Lin is among the elite few at going to the basket and drawing fouls. If you take away Lin's FT, then might as well take away Rondo's layup, and then do the comparison.
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Post#269 » by MrDollarBills » Sun May 22, 2016 8:44 pm

DeRoma wrote:
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DeRoma wrote:I don't think so. He was able to play with Pierce, KG, and Allen where he had to share the ball in the right way. I think in our situation right now he can be ball dominating as much as he wants. Until we develop players and gain more half-court offense.


yup.. i mean...

1) its kind of silly to call a point gaurd who has an 19% usage rate and averages 12 assist a game "ball dominating"

2) we kind of NEED someone who can dominate the ball and create offense for other guys.

either way, its a good fit. look at how many layups rondo spoon fed WCS and cousins. i think rondo would bring brooks game to a new level.

I agree. He is also has one of the best bounce passes which is perfect for brook who doesn't look to finish alley-oops but under the rim.
Everything about Rondo screams perfect for the Nets and what we have right now. Even with advance statistic and the eyeball test. I can't see how this is even a risky move. I just don't understand why half the people on this board thins otherwise.



Because he is regarded as a LOCKER ROOM CANCER. Celtics ownership called him uncoachable. He got kicked off of Dallas. The Kings are more than likely letting him walk. I am baffled as to how NETS fans are overlooking something like this coming off of having to deal with Deron Williams :crazy:
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Post#270 » by MrDollarBills » Sun May 22, 2016 8:47 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Listen I think Rondo can ball but the attitude, unwillingness to play any other way but his own ball domineering way or it will lead to a problem (see Dallas) are a no go. You want your PG to be a leader, not a guy who gets kicked off of playoff rosters. That is a huge red flag and I'm pretty sure its why no other team other than the Kings took a chance with him.

Also, you and Prok are spinning so hard with Rondo's shooting...dude's TS is 50% this season. Any other player posts that number and you'd both be lambasting him for that, especially Prok lol


Both Rondo and Lin need to be the primary ball handler so what's the difference besides Rondo being a much better player. Conley's game is starting to show decline as his numbers were down significantly across the board. His game is starting to look like DWIll's in that he cant finish inside and is dependent on 3s. Plus his defensive metrics were awful last year and he is coming off injury.

Rondo's TS% is low, mostly because of his FT%. His eFG% was 49.4% which is TS without FTs. Conley only had a 47.8% eFG while Lin had 46.4% eFG so Rondo is much better at putting the ball in the basket.

Outside of his FT%, Rondo does everything else. Outside of 1 season, Rondo has been a top PG.


Rondo pounds the air out of the ball while probing the defense for his assist. That's not good ball movement despite the high assist number. He also turns the ball over at a pretty high rate.

My hang up is his attitude. He's a god damn HEADCASE. Again, I'm not sure how you can rationally want this player in here after just dealing with another headcase player.
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Post#271 » by DeRoma » Sun May 22, 2016 8:52 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
DeRoma wrote:
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yup.. i mean...

1) its kind of silly to call a point gaurd who has an 19% usage rate and averages 12 assist a game "ball dominating"

2) we kind of NEED someone who can dominate the ball and create offense for other guys.

either way, its a good fit. look at how many layups rondo spoon fed WCS and cousins. i think rondo would bring brooks game to a new level.

I agree. He is also has one of the best bounce passes which is perfect for brook who doesn't look to finish alley-oops but under the rim.
Everything about Rondo screams perfect for the Nets and what we have right now. Even with advance statistic and the eyeball test. I can't see how this is even a risky move. I just don't understand why half the people on this board thins otherwise.



Because he is regarded as a LOCKER ROOM CANCER. Celtics ownership called him uncoachable. He got kicked off of Dallas. The Kings are more than likely letting him walk. I am baffled as to how NETS fans are overlooking something like this coming off of having to deal with Deron Williams :crazy:

It's because he is the exact opposite of how DWill is. D-Will doesn't have a competitive bone in his body. All he cares about is fame, and how he looks. Rondo tries to do everything he can to win the games. Yeah sometimes he gets too emotional on his ideology but the fact of the matter is, he ultimately wants to win. That's not too bad. I grew up watching JKidd in the Nets. JKidd as a person is a scum. However, he still got the job done and won games. I see Rondo more like Kidd than piece of **** Dwill. As for Dwill he is like loser Starbury.
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Post#272 » by MrDollarBills » Sun May 22, 2016 8:53 pm

Prokorov wrote:
DeRoma wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Listen I think Rondo can ball but the attitude, unwillingness to play any other way but his own ball domineering way or it will lead to a problem (see Dallas) are a no go. You want your PG to be a leader, not a guy who gets kicked off of playoff rosters. That is a huge red flag and I'm pretty sure its why no other team other than the Kings took a chance with him.

Also, you and Prok are spinning so hard with Rondo's shooting...dude's TS is 50% this season. Any other player posts that number and you'd both be lambasting him for that, especially Prok lol

I don't think so. He was able to play with Pierce, KG, and Allen where he had to share the ball in the right way. I think in our situation right now he can be ball dominating as much as he wants. Until we develop players and gain more half-court offense.


yup.. i mean...

1) its kind of silly to call a point gaurd who has an 19% usage rate and averages 12 assist a game "ball dominating"

2) we kind of NEED someone who can dominate the ball and create offense for other guys.

either way, its a good fit. look at how many layups rondo spoon fed WCS and cousins. i think rondo would bring brooks game to a new level.


Its not silly, Rondo pretty much pounds the air out of the ball probing until he gets the assist. He's an excellent passer, but he does so in a manner where the ball doesn't really move otherwise. What is silly however, is to call Kemba Walker an average PG when his PER is higher than Rondo's and can actually hit FTs, or to say that Patrick Beverley is a poor defender and an offensive minded player.

He would no doubt get Brook easy looks. If he wasn't a headcase who got kicked off of a playoff team stemming from the fact that a successful head coach didn't allow him to do whatever he wanted, sure I'd say bring him in. But that's not the case. I've had enough nutjob diva PGs for one decade, thanks but no thanks.
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Post#273 » by MrDollarBills » Sun May 22, 2016 8:55 pm

DeRoma wrote:
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DeRoma wrote:I agree. He is also has one of the best bounce passes which is perfect for brook who doesn't look to finish alley-oops but under the rim.
Everything about Rondo screams perfect for the Nets and what we have right now. Even with advance statistic and the eyeball test. I can't see how this is even a risky move. I just don't understand why half the people on this board thins otherwise.



Because he is regarded as a LOCKER ROOM CANCER. Celtics ownership called him uncoachable. He got kicked off of Dallas. The Kings are more than likely letting him walk. I am baffled as to how NETS fans are overlooking something like this coming off of having to deal with Deron Williams :crazy:

It's because he is the exact opposite of how DWill is. D-Will doesn't have a competitive bone in his body. All he cares about is fame, and how he looks. Rondo tries to do everything he can to win the games. Yeah sometimes he gets too emotional on his ideology but the fact of the matter is, he ultimately wants to win. That's not too bad. I grew up watching JKidd in the Nets. JKidd as a person is a scum. However, he still got the job done and won games. I see Rondo more like Kidd than piece of **** Dwill. As for Dwill he is like loser Starbury.


Jason Kidd never got kicked off of a team in the middle of the playoffs.

Rondo and D-Will are both diva headcase players that screw up team chemistry. One just happens to try harder than the other.
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Post#274 » by Net Sentence » Sun May 22, 2016 8:56 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Listen I think Rondo can ball but the attitude, unwillingness to play any other way but his own ball domineering way or it will lead to a problem (see Dallas) are a no go. You want your PG to be a leader, not a guy who gets kicked off of playoff rosters. That is a huge red flag and I'm pretty sure its why no other team other than the Kings took a chance with him.

Also, you and Prok are spinning so hard with Rondo's shooting...dude's TS is 50% this season. Any other player posts that number and you'd both be lambasting him for that, especially Prok lol


Both Rondo and Lin need to be the primary ball handler so what's the difference besides Rondo being a much better player. Conley's game is starting to show decline as his numbers were down significantly across the board. His game is starting to look like DWIll's in that he cant finish inside and is dependent on 3s. Plus his defensive metrics were awful last year and he is coming off injury.

Rondo's TS% is low, mostly because of his FT%. His eFG% was 49.4% which is TS without FTs. Conley only had a 47.8% eFG while Lin had 46.4% eFG so Rondo is much better at putting the ball in the basket.

Outside of his FT%, Rondo does everything else. Outside of 1 season, Rondo has been a top PG.


Lin is among the elite few at going to the basket and drawing fouls. If you take away Lin's FT, then might as well take away Rondo's layup, and then do the comparison.


Without it Lin isnt that good. Im not sure I want that kind of player on the team. Look at what happened to DeRozan in the playoffs. He was one of the tops in the league at going to the line. Once the playoffs started he stopped getting those calls because he isnt a LeBron James/Paul George level superstar. Without his FT attempts he looks like what he is, a below average shooter who uses a lot of possessions. Lin isnt even on Derozan's level. I wouldnt mind Lin on the Nets but we all know we are going to have to overpay him. I would rather Rondo get that $.
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Post#275 » by Ror1997 » Sun May 22, 2016 9:05 pm

I have no idea how you can discount a player getting kicked off a playoff team. They chose to fake an injury and play JJ Barea and Raymond Felton over Rondo. And not just for one night in the middle of the season. IN THE PLAYOFFS! They would rather get eliminated in 5 games by a same state rival than have Rondo around.....
Then Rondo goes and plays a year for the most dysfunctional team on earth and still found away to not be welcomed back.

He followed up getting kicked off a playoff team by going to a 30 win team and wearing out his welcome.


How is this a discussion? He pisses off people everywhere he goes. Who **** cares about what he can do in the court? It isn't worth it. Signing him so we can make the playoffs? Not worth it, look at Dallas. Sign him to try to grab the 8th seed? Not worth it, look at the Kings.
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Post#276 » by Net Sentence » Sun May 22, 2016 9:34 pm

Ror1997 wrote:I have no idea how you can discount a player getting kicked off a playoff team. They chose to fake an injury and play JJ Barea and Raymond Felton over Rondo. And not just for one night in the middle of the season. IN THE PLAYOFFS! They would rather get eliminated in 5 games by a same state rival than have Rondo around.....
Then Rondo goes and plays a year for the most dysfunctional team on earth and still found away to not be welcomed back.

He followed up getting kicked off a playoff team by going to a 30 win team and wearing out his welcome.


How is this a discussion? He pisses off people everywhere he goes. Who **** cares about what he can do in the court? It isn't worth it. Signing him so we can make the playoffs? Not worth it, look at Dallas. Sign him to try to grab the 8th seed? Not worth it, look at the Kings.


It's not hard to figure out. He butted heads with the coach and the vets on the team didnt want him rocking the boat. The Mavericks chose not to play a guy who wasnt 100% healthy and couldnt accept a lesser role.

No where did it say Rondo isnt wanted back in Sactown. It was said that they dont want to get into a bidding war to bring him back. This is posturing in the media by the team and agent. It's really nothing. You are trying to make it about that though because of what? Calling a ref a F*G. Big deal. Michael Jordan has been quoted calling his teammates that and much worse. Kobe raped a maid and was just celebrated. Ray Lewis killed someone and is on ESPN.

I dont have to like the person who plays for my team. In fact I wouldnt get along with most of them. I only care about what they do on the court. Jason Kidd beat his wife and it didnt stop me from cheering for him. People do bad sht every day. Bill Cosby was a beacon for everything right for decades. Now we find out that he was a sexual predator. Mike Tyson was a piece of garbage for over a decade as a person but now he seems like a good dude. What I am saying is a bad act doesnt wipe out good ones nor does a good act wipe out bad ones. All people are flawed.

I wouldnt have taken Rondo last season because there was a large chance that he was never going to be the same player after his knee injury. He showed last season that that wasnt the case. The same could be said about Brandon Jennings this season. I wouldnt touch Jennings this offseason but if he goes somewhere else and proves that he is healthy and able to play at a high level then I would welcome him on the team.
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Post#277 » by DeRoma » Sun May 22, 2016 9:37 pm

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Because he is regarded as a LOCKER ROOM CANCER. Celtics ownership called him uncoachable. He got kicked off of Dallas. The Kings are more than likely letting him walk. I am baffled as to how NETS fans are overlooking something like this coming off of having to deal with Deron Williams :crazy:

It's because he is the exact opposite of how DWill is. D-Will doesn't have a competitive bone in his body. All he cares about is fame, and how he looks. Rondo tries to do everything he can to win the games. Yeah sometimes he gets too emotional on his ideology but the fact of the matter is, he ultimately wants to win. That's not too bad. I grew up watching JKidd in the Nets. JKidd as a person is a scum. However, he still got the job done and won games. I see Rondo more like Kidd than piece of **** Dwill. As for Dwill he is like loser Starbury.


Jason Kidd never got kicked off of a team in the middle of the playoffs.

Rondo and D-Will are both diva headcase players that screw up team chemistry. One just happens to try harder than the other.

I don't agree I don't see any similarities with D-Will and Rondo. I didn't see any problems with Rondo when Pierce and KG were in the team. They took away alot of ball time and it was never a problem. He shares the ball as long as he right players gets it. Thats like most NBA players in the league or in any sports. A blatant example would be, if hypothetically we have Jason Collins is our starting center would you constantly feed him the ball 20 times a game? No....

You are putting way too much input on what happened in the Mavs with Rondo. Rick and Rondo had a disagreement how they are running the system. That's pretty much what happened to the situation. Have you ever had a disagreement with your boss? Rondo is just the type of person that will speak up if he believes something is wrong. That shows leadership where DWill is no where near at. You are harping on that situation when you don't really know what really happened. Did you ever think about what if Rondo was right on the way system was running. Rick hasn't gotten out the first round for like 5 years. However, everyone will side with Rick since he has been the coach for a long time. He has a great rep and ownership loves him. Yet, he hasn't proven anything ever since they got the ring when their team was completely stack. I mean they lost that round so my point is Rick wasn't right about his decisions. If you think about it why is Monta getting the ball more than Rondo? Kind of stupid if you ask me. The only thing you can really say was Rondo was pretty unprofessional with the way he handle the situation but he wasn't wrong nor right. Nothing about that speaks D-Will to me. That just shows me leadership. If you put him in the right situation where everyone agrees how the system will run. There will be no problems with Rondo.
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Post#278 » by Ror1997 » Sun May 22, 2016 11:41 pm

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It's not hard to figure out. He butted heads with the coach and the vets on the team didnt want him rocking the boat. The Mavericks chose not to play a guy who wasnt 100% healthy and couldnt accept a lesser role.

No where did it say Rondo isnt wanted back in Sactown. It was said that they dont want to get into a bidding war to bring him back. This is posturing in the media by the team and agent. It's really nothing. You are trying to make it about that though because of what? Calling a ref a F*G. Big deal. Michael Jordan has been quoted calling his teammates that and much worse. Kobe raped a maid and was just celebrated. Ray Lewis killed someone and is on ESPN.

I dont have to like the person who plays for my team. In fact I wouldnt get along with most of them. I only care about what they do on the court. Jason Kidd beat his wife and it didnt stop me from cheering for him. People do bad sht every day. Bill Cosby was a beacon for everything right for decades. Now we find out that he was a sexual predator. Mike Tyson was a piece of garbage for over a decade as a person but now he seems like a good dude. What I am saying is a bad act doesnt wipe out good ones nor does a good act wipe out bad ones. All people are flawed.

I wouldnt have taken Rondo last season because there was a large chance that he was never going to be the same player after his knee injury. He showed last season that that wasnt the case. The same could be said about Brandon Jennings this season. I wouldnt touch Jennings this offseason but if he goes somewhere else and proves that he is healthy and able to play at a high level then I would welcome him on the team.


He butted heads with coaches and players? He has a history of doing that, why would you expect him to not do that here?

You say that Rondo wouldn't accept a lesser role like that is no big deal. Its the playoffs. The goal is to win the championship. What about him not wanting to take a lesser role is okay?

Dallas didn't want to play a guy who was 100% healthy? They faked that injury.
The Mavs and Rondo made a mutual decision to part ways the next day, sources told ESPNDallas.com, framing the reasoning as a back injury as a favor to try to help the four-time All-Star point guard save face.

The truth was that the Mavs didn’t want Rondo, who was going to be replaced in the starting lineup regardless, pouting and rubbing off on other players, Ellis in particular. Essentially, the Mavs made a drastic move in an attempt to do damage control on a chemistry crisis.]


We're not talking about what MJ called his peers, what Kobe did off the court or what Ray Lewis did in another sport. We're talking about what rondo said, during an NBA game, to an official. He knew if he called them a f*g he would hurt that ref more than anything else and that's what he did. He has no filter. He did that during a game. How do you as a fan root for that guy if he's on your team.


I'm fine with Rondo as a player, I like a PG that's a triple double threat. But I don't want anything that comes with it. I don't want that dude around the locker room because I'm scared of It's effects.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread 

Post#279 » by KM6 » Mon May 23, 2016 1:52 am

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Both Rondo and Lin need to be the primary ball handler so what's the difference besides Rondo being a much better player. Conley's game is starting to show decline as his numbers were down significantly across the board. His game is starting to look like DWIll's in that he cant finish inside and is dependent on 3s. Plus his defensive metrics were awful last year and he is coming off injury.

Rondo's TS% is low, mostly because of his FT%. His eFG% was 49.4% which is TS without FTs. Conley only had a 47.8% eFG while Lin had 46.4% eFG so Rondo is much better at putting the ball in the basket.

Outside of his FT%, Rondo does everything else. Outside of 1 season, Rondo has been a top PG.


Lin is among the elite few at going to the basket and drawing fouls. If you take away Lin's FT, then might as well take away Rondo's layup, and then do the comparison.


Without it Lin isnt that good. Im not sure I want that kind of player on the team. Look at what happened to DeRozan in the playoffs. He was one of the tops in the league at going to the line. Once the playoffs started he stopped getting those calls because he isnt a LeBron James/Paul George level superstar. Without his FT attempts he looks like what he is, a below average shooter who uses a lot of possessions. Lin isnt even on Derozan's level. I wouldnt mind Lin on the Nets but we all know we are going to have to overpay him. I would rather Rondo get that $.


The difference between Lin and DeroZan is once playoff started, Derozan stopped getting to the lane, while JLin goes to the lane at a higher rate than during the regular season. Isn't there a quote where it states the only players that drew more foul than Lin is Lebron James and James Harden during the first round of playoffs.

Saying Lin is not so good without FT is like saying Rondo is not so good without his assists.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread 

Post#280 » by Net Sentence » Mon May 23, 2016 10:42 am

KM6 wrote:
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Lin is among the elite few at going to the basket and drawing fouls. If you take away Lin's FT, then might as well take away Rondo's layup, and then do the comparison.


Without it Lin isnt that good. Im not sure I want that kind of player on the team. Look at what happened to DeRozan in the playoffs. He was one of the tops in the league at going to the line. Once the playoffs started he stopped getting those calls because he isnt a LeBron James/Paul George level superstar. Without his FT attempts he looks like what he is, a below average shooter who uses a lot of possessions. Lin isnt even on Derozan's level. I wouldnt mind Lin on the Nets but we all know we are going to have to overpay him. I would rather Rondo get that $.


The difference between Lin and DeroZan is once playoff started, Derozan stopped getting to the lane, while JLin goes to the lane at a higher rate than during the regular season. Isn't there a quote where it states the only players that drew more foul than Lin is Lebron James and James Harden during the first round of playoffs.

Saying Lin is not so good without FT is like saying Rondo is not so good without his assists.


Im just going to throw this out there,

LeBron
Harden
DeRozan
Rondo
Lin

One of these names doesnt belong.

Lin turned a 20 game stretch with the Knicks into a mega contract once. Now he has a good 7 game series and people want to do it again. Pump the breaks buddy. The Hornets lost that series. Regardless of what the situations were in Houston and LA, Lin lost his job. Telling me how good he is shouldnt require a 2 paragraph explanation on how I should be viewing it. That's when it gets into Rainy level cherrypicking.

Lin overplayed his hand last year and had to sign a 1yr deal with the Hornets. That scares me because he is looking to get every last dollar he can. He can play nice with the media and say he would take a discount but I dont buy that for one second. I dont want him on a bloated contract.

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