Nets - In Season Moves & Possible Trade Ideas

[Ror1997]

I’d be intrigued with Marks & Atkinson taking the project of turning Trey Lyles into a legitimate player


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Didnt denver trade a late lotto pick for him? I think hernangomez and faried are thr expandable PF in Denver

[CalamityX12]

we need a player with a killer instinct. Someone who can takeover and be an aggressive punch for us.

DLO is suppose to but both health and, IMO, traits doesn't seem to be the complete answer.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

What do you guys think about swapping Mozgov for another bad contract C with a slightly bigger deal?

Ian Mahimni? Bismarck Byombo?

[steady]

Nets have until Jan 15 to replace players on two way contracts. After that the deals become guaranteed. Outtara has not been as productive as Milton Doyle so far. If that continues I’d consider swapping the two. I️ really liked Milton in Summer League and he would provide more playmaking ability

[TinmanZBoy]

What do you guys think about swapping Mozgov for another bad contract C with a slightly bigger deal?

Ian Mahimni? Bismarck Byombo?

that's a good idea, either Mahimni and Biyombo is a better fit then Moz ... Moz is a better fit for Magic and Wizards

[TheNetsFan]

Mahinmi has a smaller contract than Mozgov, while Biyombo barely makes more.

Either we'll have to entice someone to take on Mozgov's contract, or he eventually becomes a buy-out and stretch player if we need the cap space. When we would stretch him would depend on when we can do something worthwhile with our cap space. There's also been a few articles about a salary cap loophole when discussing what the Lakers could do with Deng, but the same would apply for Mozgov. He's eligible for an extension this summer. Theoretically, you can extend him for 2 more years, guarantee him a token amount, e.g. $1mil, and then stretch his contract plus that $1mil over 7 or 9 years instead of 5. I hate the idea of dead money on the books for that long, but spread over that duration, it would be a relatively small number.

The Lin injury really hurts the cap, because the cap space that stood to be realized by him opting out could have gone a long way in addressing the frontcourt. If Dinwiddie & LeVert continue to develop, Lin becomes even more of a salary liability. Unless he wants to opt out & sign for less, he may also be a potential stretch candidate if we really need space this offseason.

[brook]

1 assist in 12 mpg. 8 per last year and 7 per this year.

Also not very good for a playmaker.

ok but stats don't say everything.

Satoranksy until now plays limited minutes, with the Wiz's bench (one of the worst in NBA) and often he plays SF, without any reason at all.

If a guy plays on the worst bench in the NBA, and is a good player, then dont you think he would play more mins? If hes playing limited mins on an already bad bench, that would indicate He's a bad player.

Your response was literally "Just because He's bad and put up bad stats doesnt mean hes bad"

Satoransky isn't a bad player, I watch him several times when he plays for Barcellona and Czech National team...

Dinwiddie was third playmaker for the Pistons and was cut by the Bulls. There are infinite examples of player who changes in a different context... also he plays often to SF like I said without reasons.

I like him and I think fits our sistem because he's tall for a playmaker and he's a smart player... and also we can get him for cheap!

[Ror1997]

ok but stats don't say everything.

Satoranksy until now plays limited minutes, with the Wiz's bench (one of the worst in NBA) and often he plays SF, without any reason at all.

If a guy plays on the worst bench in the NBA, and is a good player, then dont you think he would play more mins? If hes playing limited mins on an already bad bench, that would indicate He's a bad player.

Your response was literally "Just because He's bad and put up bad stats doesnt mean hes bad"

Satoransky isn't a bad player, I watch him several times when he plays for Barcellona and Czech National team...

Dinwiddie was third playmaker for the Pistons and was cut by the Bulls. There are infinite examples of player who changes in a different context... also he plays often to SF like I said without reasons.

I like him and I think fits our sistem because he's tall for a playmaker and he's a smart player... and also we can get him for cheap!

We aren't looking for a developmental project. Were looking for a veteran player who can help the team right now.

Players can be good in the euro league and be bad in the NBA. Remember how were excited for Mosgov after his great summer playing fiba?

Also, saying Sat would be cheap is irrelevant because so would Barea. 75% of players taken in the second round are garbage. Yes of course you can find a diamond in the rough but in general, second round picks are highly expandable.


I just think we as fans have been in rebuilding mode for so long, and we've been so F'd by the mishandling of draft picks that we forget it actually is ok to trade draft picks. Not every second we trade will become Draymond Green.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Mahinmi has a smaller contract than Mozgov, while Biyombo barely makes more.

Either we'll have to entice someone to take on Mozgov's contract, or he eventually becomes a buy-out and stretch player if we need the cap space. When we would stretch him would depend on when we can do something worthwhile with our cap space. There's also been a few articles about a salary cap loophole when discussing what the Lakers could do with Deng, but the same would apply for Mozgov. He's eligible for an extension this summer. Theoretically, you can extend him for 2 more years, guarantee him a token amount, e.g. $1mil, and then stretch his contract plus that $1mil over 7 or 9 years instead of 5. I hate the idea of dead money on the books for that long, but spread over that duration, it would be a relatively small number.

The Lin injury really hurts the cap, because the cap space that stood to be realized by him opting out could have gone a long way in addressing the frontcourt. If Dinwiddie & LeVert continue to develop, Lin becomes even more of a salary liability. Unless he wants to opt out & sign for less, he may also be a potential stretch candidate if we really need space this offseason.

I dont think stretching Mozgov is a good idea at all personally. I didnt realize that Mahinmi is making less. But for Byombo I would definitely send Orlando their 2nd rounder back as incentive.

Lin does hurt the cap, but I'm hoping they can still convince him to opt out. Best case scenario: he opts out and we resign him to a 2 year 14 mill deal with a player option and a no trade clause (if possible). That would allow him to opt out and sign a larger deal with us using his bird rights in 2019 but also guarantee that he's going to get the 12 mill that we owe him and more in case he isnt able to recover from the injury. Between Joe Tsai saying that Lin is his favorite player and his relationship with Atkinson, I think we could convince him that he's an important part of the team going forward and that anything he does to benefit the team also benefits him.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

If a guy plays on the worst bench in the NBA, and is a good player, then dont you think he would play more mins? If hes playing limited mins on an already bad bench, that would indicate He's a bad player.

Your response was literally "Just because He's bad and put up bad stats doesnt mean hes bad"

Satoransky isn't a bad player, I watch him several times when he plays for Barcellona and Czech National team...

Dinwiddie was third playmaker for the Pistons and was cut by the Bulls. There are infinite examples of player who changes in a different context... also he plays often to SF like I said without reasons.

I like him and I think fits our sistem because he's tall for a playmaker and he's a smart player... and also we can get him for cheap!

We aren't looking for a developmental project. Were looking for a veteran player who can help the team right now.

Players can be good in the euro league and be bad in the NBA. Remember how were excited for Mosgov after his great summer playing fiba?

Also, saying Sat would be cheap is irrelevant because so would Barea. 75% of players taken in the second round are garbage. Yes of course you can find a diamond in the rough but in general, second round picks are highly expandable.


I just think we as fans have been in rebuilding mode for so long, and we've been so F'd by the mishandling of draft picks that we forget it actually is ok to trade draft picks. Not every second we trade will become Draymond Green.

Im all for trading 2nd rounders I just dont think its a good idea to trade one for Barea. 2nd rounders are valuable assets and shouldnt be wasted on acquiring a tiny back up PG that will only be on the team for 4 months.

[Ror1997]

Satoransky isn't a bad player, I watch him several times when he plays for Barcellona and Czech National team...

Dinwiddie was third playmaker for the Pistons and was cut by the Bulls. There are infinite examples of player who changes in a different context... also he plays often to SF like I said without reasons.

I like him and I think fits our sistem because he's tall for a playmaker and he's a smart player... and also we can get him for cheap!

We aren't looking for a developmental project. Were looking for a veteran player who can help the team right now.

Players can be good in the euro league and be bad in the NBA. Remember how were excited for Mosgov after his great summer playing fiba?

Also, saying Sat would be cheap is irrelevant because so would Barea. 75% of players taken in the second round are garbage. Yes of course you can find a diamond in the rough but in general, second round picks are highly expandable.


I just think we as fans have been in rebuilding mode for so long, and we've been so F'd by the mishandling of draft picks that we forget it actually is ok to trade draft picks. Not every second we trade will become Draymond Green.

Im all for trading 2nd rounders I just dont think its a good idea to trade one for Barea. 2nd rounders are valuable assets and shouldnt be wasted on acquiring a tiny back up PG that will only be on the team for 4 months.

Your argument has hinged on Barea being too small and a 2nd being a valuable asset. Both are exaggerations.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

We aren't looking for a developmental project. Were looking for a veteran player who can help the team right now.

Players can be good in the euro league and be bad in the NBA. Remember how were excited for Mosgov after his great summer playing fiba?

Also, saying Sat would be cheap is irrelevant because so would Barea. 75% of players taken in the second round are garbage. Yes of course you can find a diamond in the rough but in general, second round picks are highly expandable.


I just think we as fans have been in rebuilding mode for so long, and we've been so F'd by the mishandling of draft picks that we forget it actually is ok to trade draft picks. Not every second we trade will become Draymond Green.

Im all for trading 2nd rounders I just dont think its a good idea to trade one for Barea. 2nd rounders are valuable assets and shouldnt be wasted on acquiring a tiny back up PG that will only be on the team for 4 months.

Your argument has hinged on Barea being too small and a 2nd being a valuable asset. Both are exaggerations.

Neither is an exaggeration. Barea is listed on draftexpress as 5'10 with a 5'10 wingspan and his family members have even said that the 6'0 measurement listed in the NBA is BS. That makes him one of the 5 or 10 shortest players in the entire league. If its widely agreed upon that Marks cut Yogi because he wanted a taller guard, why would we add a player who is shorter than him and 10 years older than him, let alone give up an asset too?

2nds are valuable. They can be packaged together to get a late 1st which has happened almost every year and theyre often used to bridge value gaps in trades. You can even use them to acquire former 1st rounders that have struggled with the teams that drafted them. All of those are better ways to use a 2nd. Giving one up for Barea would be a Billy King move: a shortsighted and unnecessary overpay.

[Ror1997]

Im all for trading 2nd rounders I just dont think its a good idea to trade one for Barea. 2nd rounders are valuable assets and shouldnt be wasted on acquiring a tiny back up PG that will only be on the team for 4 months.

Your argument has hinged on Barea being too small and a 2nd being a valuable asset. Both are exaggerations.

Neither is an exaggeration. Barea is listed on draftexpress as 5'10 with a 5'10 wingspan and his family members have even said that the 6'0 measurement listed in the NBA is BS. That makes him one of the 5 or 10 shortest players in the entire league. If its widely agreed upon that Marks cut Yogi because he wanted a taller guard, why would we add a player who is shorter than him and 10 years older than him, let alone give up an asset too?

2nds are valuable. They can be packaged together to get a late 1st which has happened almost every year and theyre often used to bridge value gaps in trades. You can even use them to acquire former 1st rounders that have struggled with the teams that drafted them. All of those are better ways to use a 2nd. Giving one up for Barea would be a Billy King move: a shortsighted and unnecessary overpay.

This is why its an exaggeration. Your exaggerating how much we should factor size into the decision. Isaiah Thomas is 5'9 and was the best player on a 50 win team last year.

And "widely agreed" that Yogi was cut because he was small? Nobody here ever said it was height that led to Yogi being cut. Yogi got cut because he played like trash and Dinwiddie was better (not taller. Better)

And calling giving a second for Barea is a Billy King overpay? Honestly I think youre trolling now.

[Ror1997]

A second round pick(especially a pick that's yet to be determined, unlike draft day deals) holds very little value to a team thats

A- towards the end of a rebuild or

B- a contending team.

If you can use a 2nd to address a need on your team, you do it. Stock piling 2nd is something a rebuilding team does.

[IceManBK1]

It would be funny if Brook Lopez comes back to Brooklyn. LA will be going after PG13 and Lebron. Dlo and Lopez would be nice offensively. Lopez, Noel, and Cousins, maybe Okafor is all i wanted for the center spot. Really hope dallas trades us Noel for Kilpatrick+2nd rounder. He's the only rim protector on the list. Maybe we think about signing Julius Randle so he can reunite with Dlo on the Nets. But we don't really need a PF who can't shoot.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

Your argument has hinged on Barea being too small and a 2nd being a valuable asset. Both are exaggerations.

Neither is an exaggeration. Barea is listed on draftexpress as 5'10 with a 5'10 wingspan and his family members have even said that the 6'0 measurement listed in the NBA is BS. That makes him one of the 5 or 10 shortest players in the entire league. If its widely agreed upon that Marks cut Yogi because he wanted a taller guard, why would we add a player who is shorter than him and 10 years older than him, let alone give up an asset too?

2nds are valuable. They can be packaged together to get a late 1st which has happened almost every year and theyre often used to bridge value gaps in trades. You can even use them to acquire former 1st rounders that have struggled with the teams that drafted them. All of those are better ways to use a 2nd. Giving one up for Barea would be a Billy King move: a shortsighted and unnecessary overpay.

This is why its an exaggeration. Your exaggerating how much we should factor size into the decision. Isaiah Thomas is 5'9 and was the best player on a 50 win team last year.

And "widely agreed" that Yogi was cut because he was small? Nobody here ever said it was height that led to Yogi being cut. Yogi got cut because he played like trash and Dinwiddie was better (not taller. Better)

And calling giving a second for Barea is a Billy King overpay? Honestly I think youre trolling now.

JJ Barea isnt Isaiah Thomas and has never come close to his production. Isaiah Thomas is an exception and its ridiculous to compare the two. You act like Boston didnt have to devise special defensive schemes to compensate for his height. Well imagine having to do the same except the guy is 33, less athletic, average offensively and isnt gonna be on the team next year. They would have to waste time in practice figuring out how to hide him for 4 months and then never run those schemes again.

Marks has talked about the benefits of size in the back court and the ability to switch on defense. Its not a coincidence that the guy he replaced Yogi with is 6'6. Also Dinwiddie wasnt better or more skilled, his previous stints on teams were pure garbage and he was terrible when he first got here.

Im not trolling trust me. Barea isnt worth a high-middle 2nd rounder like ours are going to be now that Orlando came back to earth. Maybe a pick in the 50s but not for a rebuilding team. Its an overpay and a shortsighted move since hes 33, declining and would leave to chase a ring in the off season. It would be extremely out of character for Marks to trade even a middling asset for a 4 month rental who is going to retire before D'angelo reaches his prime..

[TheBrooklynKidd]

A second round pick(especially a pick that's yet to be determined, unlike draft day deals) holds very little value to a team thats

A- towards the end of a rebuild or

B- a contending team.

If you can use a 2nd to address a need on your team, you do it. Stock piling 2nd is something a rebuilding team does.

Are you implying that we're towards the end of our rebuild? Because I dont really know how to respond to that.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

It would be funny if Brook Lopez comes back to Brooklyn. LA will be going after PG13 and Lebron. Dlo and Lopez would be nice offensively. Lopez, Noel, and Cousins, maybe Okafor is all i wanted for the center spot. Really hope dallas trades us Noel for Kilpatrick+2nd rounder. He's the only rim protector on the list. Maybe we think about signing Julius Randle so he can reunite with Dlo on the Nets. But we don't really need a PF who can't shoot.

Im a big fan of Nerlens and getting him would launch this team into the 8th seed convo. But I have 2 problems with it. First, is he prepared to take less than the Max? Because we'll only be able to offer him about 15 mill per if our cap situation stays the same. Another question is his long term fit next to Jarrett Allen. He struggled a lot next to Joel and unless he develops a shot i dont see how he can share the floor with another C again.

Personally my #1 target this season and in the off season is Derrick Favors. He's the kind of guy that can play Center for us now but has the potential to develop a 3 point shot and be a multi-positional big man for us in the future. It seems like Utah is entering another rebuilding phase and it doesnt seem like hes going to be a significant part of it. Also he definitely wont ask for a max in the summer.

[Ror1997]

Neither is an exaggeration. Barea is listed on draftexpress as 5'10 with a 5'10 wingspan and his family members have even said that the 6'0 measurement listed in the NBA is BS. That makes him one of the 5 or 10 shortest players in the entire league. If its widely agreed upon that Marks cut Yogi because he wanted a taller guard, why would we add a player who is shorter than him and 10 years older than him, let alone give up an asset too?

2nds are valuable. They can be packaged together to get a late 1st which has happened almost every year and theyre often used to bridge value gaps in trades. You can even use them to acquire former 1st rounders that have struggled with the teams that drafted them. All of those are better ways to use a 2nd. Giving one up for Barea would be a Billy King move: a shortsighted and unnecessary overpay.

This is why its an exaggeration. Your exaggerating how much we should factor size into the decision. Isaiah Thomas is 5'9 and was the best player on a 50 win team last year.

And "widely agreed" that Yogi was cut because he was small? Nobody here ever said it was height that led to Yogi being cut. Yogi got cut because he played like trash and Dinwiddie was better (not taller. Better)

And calling giving a second for Barea is a Billy King overpay? Honestly I think youre trolling now.

JJ Barea isnt Isaiah Thomas and has never come close to his production. Isaiah Thomas is an exception and its ridiculous to compare the two. You act like Boston didnt have to devise special defensive schemes to compensate for his height. Well imagine having to do the same except the guy is 33, less athletic, average offensively and isnt gonna be on the team next year. They would have to waste time in practice figuring out how to hide him for 4 months and then never run those schemes again.

Marks has talked about the benefits of size in the back court and the ability to switch on defense. Its not a coincidence that the guy he replaced Yogi with is 6'6. Also Dinwiddie wasnt better or more skilled, his previous stints on teams were pure garbage and he was terrible when he first got here.

Im not trolling trust me. Barea isnt worth a high-middle 2nd rounder like ours are going to be now that Orlando came back to earth. Maybe a pick in the 50s but not for a rebuilding team. Its an overpay and a shortsighted move since hes 33, declining and would leave to chase a ring in the off season. It would be extremely out of character for Marks to trade even a middling asset for a 4 month rental who is going to retire before D'angelo reaches his prime..

Never said Barea is IT, don't twist my words. I'm saying size doesn't matter as much as you're trying to make it.

You also dont seem to understand that

A- Barea isn't a rental. This is the third time I've told you hes not a rental and that hes signed through next year

B- This move is to address an immediate need. Not a move for our future. Who **** cares if Barea is going to be 33? Its not like we want him to do anything except play backup PG to dinwiddie.

C- The Mavs would need a reason to make the deal too. The deal has to work for both sides. You dont seem to understand that both sides have to say yes.

D- Barea is a good player. You seem to be really struggling to understand that concept.

[Ror1997]

A second round pick(especially a pick that's yet to be determined, unlike draft day deals) holds very little value to a team thats

A- towards the end of a rebuild or

B- a contending team.

If you can use a 2nd to address a need on your team, you do it. Stock piling 2nd is something a rebuilding team does.

Are you implying that we're towards the end of our rebuild? Because I dont really know how to respond to that.

This is the third year of our rebuild and we have our core in place. We have cap space to sign a F/A next year. Our rebuild either ends this year or next. There's no reason to stock pile second rounders with the intention of developing them because we'll be busy trying to win games.

1 first, 1 second round pick is all you need. Any extra second rounders are expandable, unless you're rebuilding.