Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[NyCeEvO]

Giannis is telling the Bucks, "tick tock". They really pooped the bed by not getting in on CP3 talks. Bledsoe is fine for the regular season, but he turns into hot garbage during the playoffs.

I think a CP3-to-MIL would've been hard to achieve because OKC wants a combination of young talent, draft capital, and cheap contracts, yet the Bucks don't have a strong collection of those assets.

I could see someone arguing that Bledsoe + DiVincenzo = Rubio + Oubre, but I doubt MIL gives up 2022 draft capital without knowing whether they'll be a high-seeded playoff team with Giannis or bottom lottery team with a high draft pick without him.

I don't know what big move is out there for MIL to make given their roster construction and lack of appealing assets. Running it back yet again with the same core and coach doesn't make sense to me. If teams are calling and are willing to give up significant assets to rent Giannis for a year, I think they'd have to take those calls and strongly consider the offers.

[MGrand15]

And where exactly do the nets get money to sign all those players? Our entire salary will be taken up by three players.

Ibaka for the MLE. Wes Matthews for the minimum which is 2.5 mil. On board with his current contract.

How does it not work?

I thought Matthews was making more. Okay that makes sense.

Honestly if we could get Serge for the MLE, that would be a major coup even if we can't get Harden.

Yeah, IDK if Matthews is looking for a raise after opting out. Or if Ibaka is looking to get a last big contract. Just thinking about how we fill the rest of the roster out. Easiest start is to try and get Houston to include Covington or Tucker. After that, it's tricky.

[MrDollarBills]

Ibaka for the MLE. Wes Matthews for the minimum which is 2.5 mil. On board with his current contract.

How does it not work?

I thought Matthews was making more. Okay that makes sense.

Honestly if we could get Serge for the MLE, that would be a major coup even if we can't get Harden.

Yeah, IDK if Matthews is looking for a raise after opting out. Or if Ibaka is looking to get a last big contract. Just thinking about how we fill the rest of the roster out. Easiest start is to try and get Houston to include Covington or Tucker. After that, it's tricky.

The money works if Houston tosses in Tucker or Covington, so I'm all for either one. Covington especially since we will need him for the Bucks and Lakers.

[MrDollarBills]

Giannis is telling the Bucks, "tick tock". They really pooped the bed by not getting in on CP3 talks. Bledsoe is fine for the regular season, but he turns into hot garbage during the playoffs.

I think a CP3-to-MIL would've been hard to achieve because OKC wants a combination of young talent, draft capital, and cheap contracts, yet the Bucks don't have a strong collection of those assets.

I could see someone arguing that Bledsoe + DiVincenzo = Rubio + Oubre, but I doubt MIL gives up 2022 draft capital without knowing whether they'll be a high-seeded playoff team with Giannis or bottom lottery team with a high draft pick without him.

I don't know what big move is out there for MIL to make given their roster construction and lack of appealing assets. Running it back yet again with the same core and coach doesn't make sense to me. If teams are calling and are willing to give up significant assets to rent Giannis for a year, I think they'd have to take those calls and strongly consider the offers.

Milwaukee is screwed. They need to start taking calls on Giannis today.

[DarkXaero]

Did no one here really post about the actual trade we made? Musa + 2nd round pick for Bruce Brown? It's a low key really solid move, and it can have some interesting implications. Brown is a really good perimeter defender, and while not a good offensive player, he is on a good trajectory there. We finally have our first perimeter defensive specialist, and this can also mean that Temple is probably gone, while Tyler Johnson may not be re-signed either.

There's already a thread for it. Things are going to happen at a breakneck pace. I'm excited even if nothing happens for us.

Apologies, I missed it.

[DarkXaero]

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The Philly mention screws us. GG.

[3pt_chucker]

If I'm Philly, I'm really not sure if I'm in a rush to trade Simmons. With Harden on the roster, it doesn't fully solve the numerous issues on the roster. I guess they can also make a bunch more trades to fix more things but I'm not sure Morey is ready to blow everything up his first year there. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Plus Simmons is younger, elite defensively, great playmaker who can also go downhill. Obviously his major flaw is his unwillingness to shoot but I think with the right coaching staff they can force him into fully rounding out as a player. Embiid, while being the better player is also flawed. (Never in shape, plays on the perimeter far too often and might be a ticking injury time bomb)

Of course Simmons - Harden trade is the best possible scenario for both teams if they want to trade either side but I think Philly should try to make minor tweaks(get more shooters & trade Horford) before trading Simmons. Also Houston might not want to trade their best player and most valuable asset, to the team Morey just went too.

[MGrand15]

No chance Morey trades Simmons for Harden. Maybe it makes them better this one year but Simmons is 24. He's locked up til age 29. He's already an All NBA level guy and he's played on teams that don't fit at all. Morey is a big risk taker but that's a huge move as step one. I don't see it being an option.

[therealbig3]

We're in an interesting position where Houston can absolutely wait before trading Harden, given that he's under contract for 3 years. We shouldn't let it affect our free agency decisions though. Obviously, we would need to hold onto Prince, Dinwiddie, Levert, and Allen, because we need them as trade chips for a potential Harden trade, but if that doesn't happen any time soon...do we give Houston a until the trade deadline this year, and then move on? Since we might lose Dinwiddie for nothing and we can still improve the team by acquiring say, a Jrue Holiday?

[MrDollarBills]

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The Philly mention screws us. GG.

Yep, we're done. Time to worry about winning a championship with what we have here.

[MrDollarBills]

We're in an interesting position where Houston can absolutely wait before trading Harden, given that he's under contract for 3 years. We shouldn't let it affect our free agency decisions though. Obviously, we would need to hold onto Prince, Dinwiddie, Levert, and Allen, because we need them as trade chips for a potential Harden trade, but if that doesn't happen any time soon...do we give Houston a until the trade deadline this year, and then move on? Since we might lose Dinwiddie for nothing and we can still improve the team by acquiring say, a Jrue Holiday?

We absolutely have to trade Spencer by the deadline, even if it is to a contender in exchange for a pick. He's going to walk for nothing.

[DarkXaero]

We're in an interesting position where Houston can absolutely wait before trading Harden, given that he's under contract for 3 years. We shouldn't let it affect our free agency decisions though. Obviously, we would need to hold onto Prince, Dinwiddie, Levert, and Allen, because we need them as trade chips for a potential Harden trade, but if that doesn't happen any time soon...do we give Houston a until the trade deadline this year, and then move on? Since we might lose Dinwiddie for nothing and we can still improve the team by acquiring say, a Jrue Holiday?

We absolutely have to trade Spencer by the deadline, even if it is to a contender in exchange for a pick. He's going to walk for nothing.

Given the return that OKC just got for Schroeder, I'd rather keep Dinwiddie. One year of Dinwiddie is worth more than a return like that.

[mademan]

No chance Morey trades Simmons for Harden. Maybe it makes them better this one year but Simmons is 24. He's locked up til age 29. He's already an All NBA level guy and he's played on teams that don't fit at all. Morey is a big risk taker but that's a huge move as step one. I don't see it being an option.

Ive read a bit of this thread, and i find it ridiculously weird that some dont want to move the ancillary rotation guys on the nets + picks for Harden. The idea that Morey wouldnt trade Simmons for Harden is almost equally ridiculous. Simmons is a decent star level player with a capped upside; he's never gonna be one of the best players in the NBA. Harden is a generational talent, and i cant see why he wont produce at this level for another 3-4 years.

Simmons-Embiid isnt winning a title. Harden-Embiid is absolutely challenging for a title next year and very well could win

[sogood]

No chance Morey trades Simmons for Harden. Maybe it makes them better this one year but Simmons is 24. He's locked up til age 29. He's already an All NBA level guy and he's played on teams that don't fit at all. Morey is a big risk taker but that's a huge move as step one. I don't see it being an option.

lmao, don't lie to yourself. Morey would drive Simmons to the airport himself for Harden.

[Prokorov]

Morey wouldnt just deal simmons, he'd add assets to get harden... as he should. harden is a top 5 player whose talents produce wins and raise ceilings. Harden/Embiid and their cast is championship level

[MGrand15]

No chance Morey trades Simmons for Harden. Maybe it makes them better this one year but Simmons is 24. He's locked up til age 29. He's already an All NBA level guy and he's played on teams that don't fit at all. Morey is a big risk taker but that's a huge move as step one. I don't see it being an option.

Ive read a bit of this thread, and i find it ridiculously weird that some dont want to move the ancillary rotation guys on the nets + picks for Harden. The idea that Morey wouldnt trade Simmons for Harden is almost equally ridiculous. Simmons is a decent star level player with a capped upside; he's never gonna be one of the best players in the NBA. Harden is a generational talent, and i cant see why he wont produce at this level for another 3-4 years.

Simmons-Embiid isnt winning a title. Harden-Embiid is absolutely challenging for a title next year and very well could win

If Simmons is on the table, that deal is happening ASAP.

You could disagree - that's fine. But it's definitely not ridiculous. Simmons will be a star for the next 7-8 years. Teams just aren't quick to trade guys like that for someone who gives you a 2-3 year window. If they were, guys like Booker, Mitchell, Murray/MPJ, etc. should be available too. I don't think they are - even though Harden is MUCH better.

[Prokorov]

No chance Morey trades Simmons for Harden. Maybe it makes them better this one year but Simmons is 24. He's locked up til age 29. He's already an All NBA level guy and he's played on teams that don't fit at all. Morey is a big risk taker but that's a huge move as step one. I don't see it being an option.

Ive read a bit of this thread, and i find it ridiculously weird that some dont want to move the ancillary rotation guys on the nets + picks for Harden. The idea that Morey wouldnt trade Simmons for Harden is almost equally ridiculous. Simmons is a decent star level player with a capped upside; he's never gonna be one of the best players in the NBA. Harden is a generational talent, and i cant see why he wont produce at this level for another 3-4 years.

Simmons-Embiid isnt winning a title. Harden-Embiid is absolutely challenging for a title next year and very well could win

If Simmons is on the table, that deal is happening ASAP.

You could disagree - that's fine. But it's definitely not ridiculous. Simmons will be a star for the next 7-8 years. Teams just aren't quick to trade guys like that for someone who gives you a 2-3 year window. If they were, guys like Booker, Mitchell, Murray/MPJ, etc. should be available too. I don't think they are - even though Harden is MUCH better.

Everyone outside the top 8 guys in the league are available for Harden.

Harden is a piece that can legit make you a title contender. Simmons is a great and young. but you dont pass on a top 3-5 guy because of that. You pair him with Embiid and you try and win a ring. Harden may also attract more stars later (like kyrie/durant are doing, like lebron does, etc..)

Simmons/Embiid also arent an ideal fit, as weve seen. odds are simmons or embiid was going to be dealt at some point. this would be getting an elite in prime player. they wouldnt even hesitate in my opinion

[MGrand15]

Ive read a bit of this thread, and i find it ridiculously weird that some dont want to move the ancillary rotation guys on the nets + picks for Harden. The idea that Morey wouldnt trade Simmons for Harden is almost equally ridiculous. Simmons is a decent star level player with a capped upside; he's never gonna be one of the best players in the NBA. Harden is a generational talent, and i cant see why he wont produce at this level for another 3-4 years.

Simmons-Embiid isnt winning a title. Harden-Embiid is absolutely challenging for a title next year and very well could win

If Simmons is on the table, that deal is happening ASAP.

You could disagree - that's fine. But it's definitely not ridiculous. Simmons will be a star for the next 7-8 years. Teams just aren't quick to trade guys like that for someone who gives you a 2-3 year window. If they were, guys like Booker, Mitchell, Murray/MPJ, etc. should be available too. I don't think they are - even though Harden is MUCH better.

Everyone outside the top 8 guys in the league are available for Harden.

Harden is a piece that can legit make you a title contender. Simmons is a great and young. but you dont pass on a top 3-5 guy because of that. You pair him with Embiid and you try and win a ring. Harden may also attract more stars later (like kyrie/durant are doing, like lebron does, etc..)

Simmons/Embiid also arent an ideal fit, as weve seen. odds are simmons or embiid was going to be dealt at some point. this would be getting an elite in prime player. they wouldnt even hesitate in my opinion

If everyone outside of the top 8 is available, we have 0 chance at Harden and need to lock that other thread up.

[Paradise]

Hawks rumored to make a large offer to Joe.

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[Prokorov]

If Simmons is on the table, that deal is happening ASAP.

You could disagree - that's fine. But it's definitely not ridiculous. Simmons will be a star for the next 7-8 years. Teams just aren't quick to trade guys like that for someone who gives you a 2-3 year window. If they were, guys like Booker, Mitchell, Murray/MPJ, etc. should be available too. I don't think they are - even though Harden is MUCH better.

Everyone outside the top 8 guys in the league are available for Harden.

Harden is a piece that can legit make you a title contender. Simmons is a great and young. but you dont pass on a top 3-5 guy because of that. You pair him with Embiid and you try and win a ring. Harden may also attract more stars later (like kyrie/durant are doing, like lebron does, etc..)

Simmons/Embiid also arent an ideal fit, as weve seen. odds are simmons or embiid was going to be dealt at some point. this would be getting an elite in prime player. they wouldnt even hesitate in my opinion

If everyone outside of the top 8 is available, we have 0 chance at Harden and need to lock that other thread up.

Thats not how it works with stars. Even when teams have leverage, they dont have the leverage. only teams that matter are teams that harden wants to play for. the list will be small. maybe 3 teams. And depending how much harden pushes they may accomodate him over a better offer. it wouldnt be the first time a team took less to accomodate a star.

a new GM especially cant play around upsetting a star who wants out. Agents control many players and stars recognize who takes care of them. it comes back in the end. accomodating harden now may get you more later then the assets in a trade.

im not saying we get him. im not saying we are favorites to get him. but it doesnt matter who the raps, blazers, heat, celtics, nuggets, etc offer. only the couple teams he says he wants to go to,