Around the NBA, 2015-16 Season Thread

[KM6]

Without it Lin isnt that good. Im not sure I want that kind of player on the team. Look at what happened to DeRozan in the playoffs. He was one of the tops in the league at going to the line. Once the playoffs started he stopped getting those calls because he isnt a LeBron James/Paul George level superstar. Without his FT attempts he looks like what he is, a below average shooter who uses a lot of possessions. Lin isnt even on Derozan's level. I wouldnt mind Lin on the Nets but we all know we are going to have to overpay him. I would rather Rondo get that $.

The difference between Lin and DeroZan is once playoff started, Derozan stopped getting to the lane, while JLin goes to the lane at a higher rate than during the regular season. Isn't there a quote where it states the only players that drew more foul than Lin is Lebron James and James Harden during the first round of playoffs.

Saying Lin is not so good without FT is like saying Rondo is not so good without his assists.

Im just going to throw this out there,

LeBron
Harden
DeRozan
Rondo
Lin

One of these names doesnt belong.

Lin turned a 20 game stretch with the Knicks into a mega contract once. Now he has a good 7 game series and people want to do it again. Pump the breaks buddy. The Hornets lost that series. Regardless of what the situations were in Houston and LA, Lin lost his job. Telling me how good he is shouldnt require a 2 paragraph explanation on how I should be viewing it. That's when it gets into Rainy level cherrypicking.

Lin overplayed his hand last year and had to sign a 1yr deal with the Hornets. That scares me because he is looking to get every last dollar he can. He can play nice with the media and say he would take a discount but I dont buy that for one second. I dont want him on a bloated contract.

The name which doesn't belong is Rondo.

And by the same logic, if you have to write a whole paragraph to cherry pick stats to show Rondo is a better player while ignoring all his weaknesses (FT, character issues, team fit), it just sounds more and more like you have a predetermined biased opinion.

[NyCeEvO]

The difference between Lin and DeroZan is once playoff started, Derozan stopped getting to the lane, while JLin goes to the lane at a higher rate than during the regular season. Isn't there a quote where it states the only players that drew more foul than Lin is Lebron James and James Harden during the first round of playoffs.

Saying Lin is not so good without FT is like saying Rondo is not so good without his assists.

Im just going to throw this out there,

LeBron
Harden
DeRozan
Rondo
Lin

One of these names doesnt belong.

Lin turned a 20 game stretch with the Knicks into a mega contract once. Now he has a good 7 game series and people want to do it again. Pump the breaks buddy. The Hornets lost that series. Regardless of what the situations were in Houston and LA, Lin lost his job. Telling me how good he is shouldnt require a 2 paragraph explanation on how I should be viewing it. That's when it gets into Rainy level cherrypicking.

Lin overplayed his hand last year and had to sign a 1yr deal with the Hornets. That scares me because he is looking to get every last dollar he can. He can play nice with the media and say he would take a discount but I dont buy that for one second. I dont want him on a bloated contract.

The name which doesn't belong is Rondo.

And by the same logic, if you have to write a whole paragraph to cherry pick stats to show Rondo is a better player while ignoring all his weaknesses (FT, character issues, team fit), it just sounds more and more like you have a predetermined biased opinion.

Only of the names doesn't belong lol?

None of those names belong with each other if we're simply talking about pure impact on the game.

If we're generalizing current greatness, one is a GOAT candidate and perennial Finals contender, another is an offensive superstar, the third is a great slasher and gets to the free throw line at will who is a principal member of a current ECF team.

Neither Rondo nor Lin are capable of being a top 2 option on a playoff team.

[Dirk]

I agree. He is also has one of the best bounce passes which is perfect for brook who doesn't look to finish alley-oops but under the rim.
Everything about Rondo screams perfect for the Nets and what we have right now. Even with advance statistic and the eyeball test. I can't see how this is even a risky move. I just don't understand why half the people on this board thins otherwise.

Because he is regarded as a LOCKER ROOM CANCER. Celtics ownership called him uncoachable. He got kicked off of Dallas. The Kings are more than likely letting him walk. I am baffled as to how NETS fans are overlooking something like this coming off of having to deal with Deron Williams

It's because he is the exact opposite of how DWill is. D-Will doesn't have a competitive bone in his body. All he cares about is fame, and how he looks. Rondo tries to do everything he can to win the games. Yeah sometimes he gets too emotional on his ideology but the fact of the matter is, he ultimately wants to win. That's not too bad. I grew up watching JKidd in the Nets. JKidd as a person is a scum. However, he still got the job done and won games. I see Rondo more like Kidd than piece of **** Dwill. As for Dwill he is like loser Starbury.

DWill lead the Jazz into the playoffs multiple times in the West. Including a WCF appearance. That's not too bad for someone who "doesn't have a competitive bone in his body".

Rondo along with Cousins lead the Kings to 33 wins and what must have been the worst defence in the league. He put up nice stats because that's all they were about: padding stats with their frenetic pace on offense. For much of the season, I heard about Collison being the better fit for them.

Rondo was a cancer in Dallas. Everyone knows that. But fine, coach didn't like him. But what about in Boston?

The Celtics would not be the team they are today if they had kept Rondo. With Rondo, they were heading for the lottery. Traded him away, they made the playoffs and were able to play a different brand of basketball. I read a lot of comments about how much of a distraction he was over there.

Must be nice to be Rondo (and ironically Cousins for that matter). He gets a pass for being a cancer because "teams aren't good" and "he just wants to win". So instead of leading their teams. They sulk and are sources of distraction. And in Rondo's case, this is all based on his time with Garnett, Pierce, Allen. Because on his own, he has been a mess, even going back to the Celtics days where he clashed with Doc Rivers.

I can only speak about his time in Dallas:

- want a PG who makes you feel like you're playing 4 on 5 on offense?
- want a PG who is given all the space in the world to shoot because no one is afraid of him?
- want a PG who will not drive the ball to the basket? And when he does, he'll be looking to pass the ball, afraid of drawing contact and going to the line?
- a PG who is so afraid of shooting that he will try difficult passes and complicate the offense?
- a PG who had to be hidden in a corner on offense at times?
- a PG who had to sit at the end of games because he couldn't hit free throws?
- want a PG that will always have you trying to figure out his body language?

His negatives, far outweigh his positives. At a time where the NBA is more and more about ball movement, going with Rondo is risky to say the least, but considering the the money available and the lack of good pgs in free agency, Rondo may be able to get a good contract by some team, but I would never understand a team that gives him a long term contract considering his history. And it's not just about Dallas. It was in Boston as well.

[MrDollarBills]

Because he is regarded as a LOCKER ROOM CANCER. Celtics ownership called him uncoachable. He got kicked off of Dallas. The Kings are more than likely letting him walk. I am baffled as to how NETS fans are overlooking something like this coming off of having to deal with Deron Williams

It's because he is the exact opposite of how DWill is. D-Will doesn't have a competitive bone in his body. All he cares about is fame, and how he looks. Rondo tries to do everything he can to win the games. Yeah sometimes he gets too emotional on his ideology but the fact of the matter is, he ultimately wants to win. That's not too bad. I grew up watching JKidd in the Nets. JKidd as a person is a scum. However, he still got the job done and won games. I see Rondo more like Kidd than piece of **** Dwill. As for Dwill he is like loser Starbury.

DWill lead the Jazz into the playoffs multiple times in the West. Including a WCF appearance. That's not too bad for someone who "doesn't have a competitive bone in his body".

Rondo along with Cousins lead the Kings to 33 wins and what must have been the worst defence in the league. He put up nice stats because that's all they were about: padding stats with their frenetic pace on offense. For much of the season, I heard about Collison being the better fit for them.

Rondo was a cancer in Dallas. Everyone knows that. But fine, coach didn't like him. But what about in Boston?

The Celtics would not be the team they are today if they had kept Rondo. With Rondo, they were heading for the lottery. Traded him away, they made the playoffs and were able to play a different brand of basketball. I read a lot of comments about how much of a distraction he was over there.

Must be nice to be Rondo (and ironically Cousins for that matter). He gets a pass for being a cancer because "teams aren't good" and "he just wants to win". So instead of leading their teams. They sulk and are sources of distraction. And in Rondo's case, this is all based on his time with Garnett, Pierce, Allen. Because on his own, he has been a mess, even going back to the Celtics days where he clashed with Doc Rivers.

I can only speak about his time in Dallas:

- want a PG who makes you feel like you're playing 4 on 5 on offense?
- want a PG who is given all the space in the world to shoot because no one is afraid of him?
- want a PG who will not drive the ball to the basket? And when he does, he'll be looking to pass the ball, afraid of drawing contact and going to the line?
- a PG who is so afraid of shooting that he will try difficult passes and complicate the offense?
- a PG who had to be hidden in a corner on offense at times?
- a PG who had to sit at the end of games because he couldn't hit free throws?
- want a PG that will always have you trying to figure out his body language?

His negatives, far outweigh his positives. At a time where the NBA is more and more about ball movement, going with Rondo is risky to say the least, but considering the the money available and the lack of good pgs in free agency, Rondo may be able to get a good contract by some team, but I would never understand a team that gives him a long term contract considering his history. And it's not just about Dallas. It was in Boston as well.

Everything that you stated here about Rondo's time in Dallas is nearly repeated verbatim about him by Kings fans, who don't want him back either.

But somehow, he would be a perfect fit here, and we're crazy for not wanting to bring a so called "Alpha" into the Nets' locker room

Thankfully, I'll wager that Marks and Kenny have no interest in bringing in a malcontent cancer into a locker room with young players. Calling Rondo an alpha is hilarious when he's not even remotely close to a leader.

[Prokorov]

The difference between Lin and DeroZan is once playoff started, Derozan stopped getting to the lane, while JLin goes to the lane at a higher rate than during the regular season. Isn't there a quote where it states the only players that drew more foul than Lin is Lebron James and James Harden during the first round of playoffs.

Saying Lin is not so good without FT is like saying Rondo is not so good without his assists.

Im just going to throw this out there,

LeBron
Harden
DeRozan
Rondo
Lin

One of these names doesnt belong.

Lin turned a 20 game stretch with the Knicks into a mega contract once. Now he has a good 7 game series and people want to do it again. Pump the breaks buddy. The Hornets lost that series. Regardless of what the situations were in Houston and LA, Lin lost his job. Telling me how good he is shouldnt require a 2 paragraph explanation on how I should be viewing it. That's when it gets into Rainy level cherrypicking.

Lin overplayed his hand last year and had to sign a 1yr deal with the Hornets. That scares me because he is looking to get every last dollar he can. He can play nice with the media and say he would take a discount but I dont buy that for one second. I dont want him on a bloated contract.

The name which doesn't belong is Rondo.

And by the same logic, if you have to write a whole paragraph to cherry pick stats to show Rondo is a better player while ignoring all his weaknesses (FT, character issues, team fit), it just sounds more and more like you have a predetermined biased opinion.

how is rondo the name that doesnt belong? Lin is the only guy to not make an all-star team. the only guy not to have 200 career starts. the only gu to not lead the league in a major statistical category. the only guy never to post a 20+ PER.

Rondo is far and away a better player then Lin, and it frankly isnt close. the only reason not to chose rondo would be attitude/fit issues

[Prokorov]

Because he is regarded as a LOCKER ROOM CANCER. Celtics ownership called him uncoachable. He got kicked off of Dallas. The Kings are more than likely letting him walk. I am baffled as to how NETS fans are overlooking something like this coming off of having to deal with Deron Williams

It's because he is the exact opposite of how DWill is. D-Will doesn't have a competitive bone in his body. All he cares about is fame, and how he looks. Rondo tries to do everything he can to win the games. Yeah sometimes he gets too emotional on his ideology but the fact of the matter is, he ultimately wants to win. That's not too bad. I grew up watching JKidd in the Nets. JKidd as a person is a scum. However, he still got the job done and won games. I see Rondo more like Kidd than piece of **** Dwill. As for Dwill he is like loser Starbury.

DWill lead the Jazz into the playoffs multiple times in the West. Including a WCF appearance. That's not too bad for someone who "doesn't have a competitive bone in his body".

Rondo along with Cousins lead the Kings to 33 wins and what must have been the worst defence in the league. He put up nice stats because that's all they were about: padding stats with their frenetic pace on offense. For much of the season, I heard about Collison being the better fit for them.

Rondo was a cancer in Dallas. Everyone knows that. But fine, coach didn't like him. But what about in Boston?

The Celtics would not be the team they are today if they had kept Rondo. With Rondo, they were heading for the lottery. Traded him away, they made the playoffs and were able to play a different brand of basketball. I read a lot of comments about how much of a distraction he was over there.

Must be nice to be Rondo (and ironically Cousins for that matter). He gets a pass for being a cancer because "teams aren't good" and "he just wants to win". So instead of leading their teams. They sulk and are sources of distraction. And in Rondo's case, this is all based on his time with Garnett, Pierce, Allen. Because on his own, he has been a mess, even going back to the Celtics days where he clashed with Doc Rivers.

I can only speak about his time in Dallas:

- want a PG who makes you feel like you're playing 4 on 5 on offense?
- want a PG who is given all the space in the world to shoot because no one is afraid of him?
- want a PG who will not drive the ball to the basket? And when he does, he'll be looking to pass the ball, afraid of drawing contact and going to the line?
- a PG who is so afraid of shooting that he will try difficult passes and complicate the offense?
- a PG who had to be hidden in a corner on offense at times?
- a PG who had to sit at the end of games because he couldn't hit free throws?
- want a PG that will always have you trying to figure out his body language?

His negatives, far outweigh his positives. At a time where the NBA is more and more about ball movement, going with Rondo is risky to say the least, but considering the the money available and the lack of good pgs in free agency, Rondo may be able to get a good contract by some team, but I would never understand a team that gives him a long term contract considering his history. And it's not just about Dallas. It was in Boston as well.

Deron williams resume pales in comparison to Rondo's. its nice Dwill made it to the WCF, Rondo won a ring, has made multiple finals, and his playoff performances trump Dwills, especially if you are talking about recent history.

as far as being a cancer/atttiude issues, dwill has his fair share of his. his last year here was pretty ugly. also, the nets won 38 games in the east with dwill(who couldnt even start the entire yeare) which isnt really far off 33 wins in the west with rondo for the kings. in the east the kings might have been a playoff team. and the impact stats clearly show rondo had a massive impact, on both ends. that team being bad defensively is more on Karl then then rondo.

rondo's time in dallas should not be the bar he is judged by... guys is 10 year vet, you dont judge him on half a season on a team coming off a major injury where he did not choose to go to.

[Dirk]

Deron williams resume pales in comparison to Rondo's. its nice Dwill made it to the WCF, Rondo won a ring, has made multiple finals, and his playoff performances trump Dwills, especially if you are talking about recent history.

as far as being a cancer/atttiude issues, dwill has his fair share of his. his last year here was pretty ugly. also, the nets won 38 games in the east with dwill(who couldnt even start the entire yeare) which isnt really far off 33 wins in the west with rondo for the kings. in the east the kings might have been a playoff team. and the impact stats clearly show rondo had a massive impact, on both ends. that team being bad defensively is more on Karl then then rondo.

rondo's time in dallas should not be the bar he is judged by... guys is 10 year vet, you dont judge him on half a season on a team coming off a major injury where he did not choose to go to.

Does that imply you would take Rondo over Williams overall, both at their best? Because looking at things like that, it seems you're ignoring the first "big 3".

Here are Rondo's averages against the Lakers in 07/08: 27 mpg, .377 fg%, .000 3pt%, .593 ft%, 3.8 rbs, 6.7 asts, 9.3 pts

In 09/10: 38.8 mpg .454 fg% .333 3pt% 6.3 rbs 7.6 asts 13.6 pts

Here are Deron's averages, against the Spurs, in 2006/7, age 22.

36.9 mpg .527 fg% .471 3pt% .781 ft% 7.8 asts 25.8 pts

The Jazz won 26 games. Drafted Williams. They win 41. The next year they win 51 games in the Western Conference. With Williams being the man. Not the third or fourth wheel.

Rondo's recent playoff history is already back in 2011 and he has had a couple of major injuries since then. Last time he was in the playoffs, we know what happened. And last season with a team with enough talent to compete for the playoffs, they won 33 games.

So while Williams is done as a player, Rondo isn't that far off really. I didn't verify this, but I read that:

While some people may believe this is just another poor move made by the Kings front office, this one has some merit. While Rondo’s stats look good, his performance on the defensive side of the ball, despite the two steals per game, left a lot to be desired.

The Kings were two points better per 100 possessions with Rondo off the court than on it, and allowed players he was defending to shoot 2.1 percent better than their regular shooting percentage.

https://hoopshabit.com/2016/05/23/sacramento-kings-rumors-rajon-rondo-not-priority-re-sign/

I didn't watch the Kings enough to really comment. I know they played at a ridiculous pace, which inflated their stats. They should have adjusted their style of play since they were being scored on so easily - even the Nets put up 150 points on them in one game it almost felt like.

I did notice throughout some points in the season, that a lot of voices said Collison was a better fit for the Kings. But again, I didn't watch them enough and don't want to totally shoot his numbers down, which were good, with the asterisk of the defense being awful and them not winning games. When a team like Dallas with injured and old guys makes the playoffs and a team with "studs" like Cousins and Rondo doesn't... you have to wonder about them. And it's not just coaching.

[MrDollarBills]

Prok keeps bringing up Rondo's finals/playoffs as if he wasn't being carried by three hall of famers. The spinning going on here is enough to make Bob Windrem blush. the guy hasn't done a damn thing since he's been away from those guys.

Getting kicked off of a playoff time is a pretty serious offense that gets ignored, as well as the other issues in favor of Rondo's name and his padded stats. The low TS, PER, FT% turnover rates have yet to be addressed because it would require actually dissecting the player's game instead of throwing out broad stuff like "he's an alpha" "he is a competitor".

any other player posting a PER of 16 would be regarded as mediocre, yet Rondo's PER is somehow magically ignored here.

[Prokorov]

Does that imply you would take Rondo over Williams overall, both at their best? Because looking at things like that, it seems you're ignoring the first "big 3".

Here are Rondo's averages against the Lakers in 07/08: 27 mpg, .377 fg%, .000 3pt%, .593 ft%, 3.8 rbs, 6.7 asts, 9.3 pts

In 09/10: 38.8 mpg .454 fg% .333 3pt% 6.3 rbs 7.6 asts 13.6 pts

Here are Deron's averages, against the Spurs, in 2006/7, age 22.

36.9 mpg .527 fg% .471 3pt% .781 ft% 7.8 asts 25.8 pts

I'd take deron at his best. i dont think its realistic to ever see that player again. we havent in like 3-4 years. i think rondo you can see his best again or close to it.

i dont think what deron did at 22 is really relevant. i also think thats a really small sample given them both having extensive playoff resumes,

The Jazz won 26 games. Drafted Williams. They win 41. The next year they win 51 games in the Western Conference. With Williams being the man. Not the third or fourth wheel.

again, im not talking about younger stud all-pro deron. im talking about last 5 years and current deron. that old deron is long gone.

Fair point on rondo having played playoff basketball since 2011. but it is still more recent then the good playoff deron, which we havent seen since like what, 2007?

[Prokorov]

Prok keeps bringing up Rondo's finals/playoffs as if he wasn't being carried by three hall of famers. The spinning going on here is enough to make Bob Windrem blush. the guy hasn't done a damn thing since he's been away from those guys.

he has been away from those guys for what, 1.5 seasons? you make it sound like he left boston a decade ago. also "those guys carried him" might have been true the first year, but he had some monster playoff performance himself. their last series against the heat where they took them 6 or 7 games he was the best player on boston that series.

Getting kicked off of a playoff time is a pretty serious offense that gets ignored, as well as the other issues in favor of Rondo's name and his padded stats. The low TS, PER, FT% turnover rates have yet to be addressed because it would require actually dissecting the player's game instead of throwing out broad stuff like "he's an alpha" "he is a competitor".

any other player posting a PER of 16 would be regarded as mediocre, yet Rondo's PER is somehow magically ignored here.

no one is ignoring rondo's time with dallas, you just need to weigh that vs. his career. he played .5 seasons in dallas in a 9 year career. and it came in a year off a career injury when he was traded against his will. he certainly mad the worst of it, but its not like that was the norm for his entire career.

As far as his stats, his FT shooting is really poor and his TS is as well because of that. its an issue. his 17 PER is better then Lins 14 PER, a guy everyone seems to be in love with. I think we agree rondo isnt an elite shooter. but he also is no longer a liability hitting threes at a 37% clip on decent volume. FTs are really his only issue offenively. you can call his assists stat padding, but i mean he is dishing them out at a magic johnson level... its not like he is stat padding and getting 7 or 8 a game. even if you took away 1/3 of his assists due to stat padding he is still top 5 in the league... and thats playing on a team with really 0 shooters. he spoon fed cousins and WCS tons and tons of layups.

you also can ignore his impact stats and his defensive stats.

we wouldnt be brining rondo in because he is an elite efficient scorer. we would be brining him in as a high impact offense creater and 2 way player who defends and rebounds as well.

[Net Sentence]

Prok keeps bringing up Rondo's finals/playoffs as if he wasn't being carried by three hall of famers. The spinning going on here is enough to make Bob Windrem blush. the guy hasn't done a damn thing since he's been away from those guys.

Getting kicked off of a playoff time is a pretty serious offense that gets ignored, as well as the other issues in favor of Rondo's name and his padded stats. The low TS, PER, FT% turnover rates have yet to be addressed because it would require actually dissecting the player's game instead of throwing out broad stuff like "he's an alpha" "he is a competitor".

any other player posting a PER of 16 would be regarded as mediocre, yet Rondo's PER is somehow magically ignored here.

Who lead the NBA in assists?

Was Rondo top 10 in steals or am I making that up to?

[MrDollarBills]

And it netted the Kings 4 more wins. bravo.

Any other player posting a low TS and a 16 PER gets killed on here, but the blinders come on when it comes to playing favorites.

How come Boston got better when he left? How come Dallas kicked him off the team? How come Sacto is apparently opting to go with Darren Collison instead of resigning him? How come Kings fans are glad he's not coming back?

All of these red flags but somehow you think he'd be a good fit here. Laughable.

Cherry pick all you want. The guy is a head case and his style of play may pad his individual stats, but it isn't conducive to winning when he isn't being carried by top 100 all time basketball players and no one with a brain is willing to deal with his nutjob tendencies.

[MrDollarBills]

Prok keeps bringing up Rondo's finals/playoffs as if he wasn't being carried by three hall of famers. The spinning going on here is enough to make Bob Windrem blush. the guy hasn't done a damn thing since he's been away from those guys.

he has been away from those guys for what, 1.5 seasons? you make it sound like he left boston a decade ago. also "those guys carried him" might have been true the first year, but he had some monster playoff performance himself. their last series against the heat where they took them 6 or 7 games he was the best player on boston that series.

Getting kicked off of a playoff time is a pretty serious offense that gets ignored, as well as the other issues in favor of Rondo's name and his padded stats. The low TS, PER, FT% turnover rates have yet to be addressed because it would require actually dissecting the player's game instead of throwing out broad stuff like "he's an alpha" "he is a competitor".

any other player posting a PER of 16 would be regarded as mediocre, yet Rondo's PER is somehow magically ignored here.

no one is ignoring rondo's time with dallas, you just need to weigh that vs. his career. he played .5 seasons in dallas in a 9 year career. and it came in a year off a career injury when he was traded against his will. he certainly mad the worst of it, but its not like that was the norm for his entire career.

As far as his stats, his FT shooting is really poor and his TS is as well because of that. its an issue. his 17 PER is better then Lins 14 PER, a guy everyone seems to be in love with. I think we agree rondo isnt an elite shooter. but he also is no longer a liability hitting threes at a 37% clip on decent volume. FTs are really his only issue offenively. you can call his assists stat padding, but i mean he is dishing them out at a magic johnson level... its not like he is stat padding and getting 7 or 8 a game. even if you took away 1/3 of his assists due to stat padding he is still top 5 in the league... and thats playing on a team with really 0 shooters. he spoon fed cousins and WCS tons and tons of layups.

you also can ignore his impact stats and his defensive stats.

we wouldnt be brining rondo in because he is an elite efficient scorer. we would be brining him in as a high impact offense creater and 2 way player who defends and rebounds as well.

defense...hm.

The Kings were two points better per 100 possessions with Rondo off the court than on it, and allowed players he was defending to shoot 2.1 percent better than their regular shooting percentage.

the guy plays cherry pick the passing lane defense which is how he racks steals. This isn't something new, he was doing that in Boston as well.

his PER is 16...and in your own words, not a good PER. Mediocre in fact.

[Dirk]

Draymond Green.

If you go back to that Warriors x Nets game, I posted some plays that showed the refs helped the Warriors and I always felt that in these two years, that team was playing with a different set of rules. Green in particular --- and this is why I don't value him as highly as he generally is rated --- gets away with so much on that team.

This shameful favouritism just shows that people weren't paranoid. I am honestly shocked... because I thought that the NBA would not want to face the shame of punishing a scrub one day (Jones against the Raptors) and then letting something that was worse to me (hard kick to the balls) unpunished.

I was too young to watch the 80s or even 90s basketball, but just recently I was watching the espn 30 for 30 on the bad boys and I would love to see more retaliation in the NBA. A guy like Green needs to have a target on him and be hit hard.

[Net Sentence]

And it netted the Kings 4 more wins. bravo.

Any other player posting a low TS and a 16 PER gets killed on here, but the blinders come on when it comes to playing favorites.

How come Boston got better when he left? How come Dallas kicked him off the team? How come Sacto is apparently opting to go with Darren Collison instead of resigning him? How come Kings fans are glad he's not coming back?

All of these red flags but somehow you think he'd be a good fit here. Laughable.

Cherry pick all you want. The guy is a head case and his style of play may pad his individual stats, but it isn't conducive to winning when he isn't being carried by top 100 all time basketball players and no one with a brain is willing to deal with his nutjob tendencies.

Telling me about Rondo's TS% is like telling me what Shaq's 3pt% is. You arent bringing him in to be an individual scorer. You are bringing him in to make the TEAM score. The Kings went from 14th in the NBA to 3rd and the only major change in the roster was Rondo. They increased their scoring by 5.5 pts/g and guess what, that wasnt because Rondo scored 5.5 points more than the previous PG.

Rondo created 1871 pts from assists.
Wall 1856
Westbrook 1832
Paul 1707

He is in his own class.

[Ror1997]

If the PG class was stronger this year, this wouldn't be a discussion. But because it's so weak, Rondo is going to seem attractive in comparison.

I think you guys are missing the point though if you think Marks and Atkinson would target Rondo in F/A. They've made it clear the types of guys they're going to target, and Rondo simply doesn't fit the bill. You can convince yourself that they will and thats fine I guess. Just don't get your hopes up, and don't flip out on Marks for not signing Rondo, because they haven't hinted towards having interest in Rondo...they haven't even said anything to make you even remotely think they will have interest in Rondo.

[Paradise]

So, who's ready for that Oklahoma City/Toronto NBA Finals?

[Net Sentence]

If the PG class was stronger this year, this wouldn't be a discussion. But because it's so weak, Rondo is going to seem attractive in comparison.

I think you guys are missing the point though if you think Marks and Atkinson would target Rondo in F/A. They've made it clear the types of guys they're going to target, and Rondo simply doesn't fit the bill. You can convince yourself that they will and thats fine I guess. Just don't get your hopes up, and don't flip out on Marks for not signing Rondo, because they haven't hinted towards having interest in Rondo...they haven't even said anything to make you even remotely think they will have interest in Rondo.

They havent said anything about anyone, that would be tampering. It doesnt stop people from talking about other players, why would it preclude us from talking about Rondo?

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So, who's ready for that Oklahoma City/Toronto NBA Finals?

Lebron likes to coast. If LeBron had Westbrook's drive he would be unstoppable.

[NyCeEvO]

Draymond Green.

If you go back to that Warriors x Nets game, I posted some plays that showed the refs helped the Warriors and I always felt that in these two years, that team was playing with a different set of rules. Green in particular --- and this is why I don't value him as highly as he generally is rated --- gets away with so much on that team.

This shameful favouritism just shows that people weren't paranoid. I am honestly shocked... because I thought that the NBA would not want to face the shame of punishing a scrub one day (Jones against the Raptors) and then letting something that was worse to me (hard kick to the balls) unpunished.

I was too young to watch the 80s or even 90s basketball, but just recently I was watching the espn 30 for 30 on the bad boys and I would love to see more retaliation in the NBA. A guy like Green needs to have a target on him and be hit hard.

It would've been better if the league stuck by the ruling on the floor than give Green a flagrant-2 after the fact.

So they recognize that it was a non-basketball play but at the same time they say that the NBA players regularly flail their arms and legs?

Just come out and say "We want the best talent on the court in the playoffs". Don't just makeup a statement to excuse a play that was worse than what Jones did the night before.