Around the NBA: 2021-22 Season Thread

[gigantes]

That Oladipo for LeVert swap is looking brilliant for Houston.

Indiana turned into dumpster fire. I am glad that the Pacers helped us in the trade land Harden and get Caris personally healthy, for better or worse but that trade should get someone fired in Houston.

That owner is a real lunatic and dirt bag, so who knows what their criteria is other than being a billionaire who likes pinching pennies.

That said, HOU was in a real pickle with Harden, and got way more picks than they should have IMO.

Kinda ironic, in that the first thing Marks said to Prokhy was 'no, we're not going to lunge after talent anymore,' and wound up paying half a decade in assets for Harden... shades of the KG / PP trade.

[Prokorov]

That Oladipo for LeVert swap is looking brilliant for Houston.

Indiana turned into dumpster fire. I am glad that the Pacers helped us in the trade land Harden and get Caris personally healthy, for better or worse but that trade should get someone fired in Houston.

That owner is a real lunatic and dirt bag, so who knows what their criteria is other than being a billionaire who likes pinching pennies.

That said, HOU was in a real pickle with Harden, and got way more picks than they should have IMO.

Kinda ironic, in that the first thing Marks said to Prokhy was 'no, we're not going to lunge after talent anymore,' and wound up paying half a decade in assets for Harden... shades of the KG / PP trade.

We gave up almost nothing for harden.

1) a 3-month rental of jarret allen
2) an overpaid, oft injured, massive negative in levert
3) 6 picks (3 swaps) and 1 of the swaps already has not conveyed.

We have already gotten our return on that trade just from what harden gave us last year. its as cheap as you will ever get a top 10 player. woith KD singed for 4 more years, this trade will age exceptionally well

[gigantes]

We gave up almost nothing for harden.

1) a 3-month rental of jarret allen
2) an overpaid, oft injured, massive negative in levert
3) 6 picks (3 swaps) and 1 of the swaps already has not conveyed.

We have already gotten our return on that trade just from what harden gave us last year. its as cheap as you will ever get a top 10 player. woith KD singed for 4 more years, this trade will age exceptionally well

As usual, you have this way of interpreting almost everything in the service of your POV. It's funny, for someone who makes so many good observations in a vacuum, it can be downright breathtaking sometimes.

Fro was a real asset, and not just some throwaway. $20m/yr is perfectly reasonable for him and less than half Harden's salary. If the Nets had really wanted to they could have found a way to keep him without nuking their cap. Even if they couldn't or didn't want to, he was clearly worth some good assets via S&T or whatever. Not just sweetening the pot for a trade where the other team was the needy one.

As for the six picks and swaps, it's laughable to me (and typical) that you'd just dismiss them out of hand like that. For one thing, that all assumes the Nets manage to stay a top team the entire time, which is never a given. Because picks are a wonderful way of representing insurance against disaster, and now you've given up all that insurance. But they also just represent more opportunities to find a good player, and you can't just count on Marks always being able to grab late firsts somehow. Some years that's probably not going to work out.

I know... "championships" and all that. Taking big gambles for championships and it sometimes working, and all being forgiven. But so far it's not working, doesn't look like it's going to anytime soon, which leaves a thought-- the Nets arguably would have been in vastly better shape not doing the Harden deal.

Not just 'hindsight 20/20,' but factoring in the known concerns with Harden, the known wackiness and fragility of Kyrie, and the inherent risks of giving up so much for a couple swings at the fences. Because when that doesn't work out, this is what it looks like, which is exactly why one should expect to hear a bunch of annoyed Nets fans sounding off around now.

[Prokorov]

As usual, you have this way of interpreting almost everything in the service of your POV. It's funny, for someone who makes so many good observations in a vacuum, it can be downright breathtaking sometimes.

Fro was a real asset, and not just some throwaway. $20m/yr is perfectly reasonable for him and less than half Harden's salary. If the Nets had really wanted to they could have found a way to keep him without nuking their cap. Even if they couldn't or didn't want to, he was clearly worth some good assets via S&T or whatever. Not just sweetening the pot for a trade where the other team was the needy one.

Allen was a pending free agent and a rental. That drastically reduces his value. no one is giving big value for a guy they have to pay when they can just wait three months an pay him. a non-lotto first was appropriate value for allen and thats what we got for him.

As for the six picks and swaps, it's laughable to me (and typical) that you'd just dismiss them out of hand like that. For one thing, that all assumes the Nets manage to stay a top team the entire time, which is never a given. Because picks are a wonderful way of representing insurance against disaster, and now you've given up all that insurance. But they also just represent more opportunities to find a good player, and you can't just count on Marks always being able to grab late firsts somehow. Some years that's probably not going to work out.

It is now 5 picks... and it was really always 5 as there was never a chance Houston was going to win more then us last year. or even come close to it. We dont need to be a top team either. we just need to not be a bottom 5 team. which is pretty easy to do when you have KD on a 4 year deal.

Everyone wants to point to the King/Celtics deal... but we tanked with Jeremy Lin. Now we have KD. we wont be handing anyone a top 3 pick. on the other end, the Rockets wont be good anytime soon. The picks we gave them are nothing close to all the picks they gave up to get westbrook/Paul. We probably end up giving them:

3 non lotto picks and maybe 1 swap.

I know... "championships" and all that. Taking big gambles for championships and it sometimes working, and all being forgiven. But so far it's not working, doesn't look like it's going to anytime soon, which leaves a thought-- the Nets arguably would have been in vastly better shape not doing the Harden deal.

its already worked out. there is no gamble. 2 years of harden is already worth what we gave up... which is almost nothing in terms of trading for a star.

Not just 'hindsight 20/20,' but factoring in the known concerns with Harden, the known wackiness and fragility of Kyrie, and the inherent risks of giving up so much for a couple swings at the fences. Because when that doesn't work out, this is what it looks like, which is exactly why one should expect to hear a bunch of annoyed Nets fans sounding off around now.

we didnt give up so much. we gave up peanuts

[gigantes]

Sh..t, these Cavs remind me of what the Nets looked like not so long ago.

https://streamable.com/33jpsy

Also, their color guy (Austin Carr) is a scream. Looks like a dignified, handsome gentleman in pics, then you hear him on the broadcast and he sounds like some toothless, half drunk guy they put in the booth ala crazy Trading Places lost bet.

But his energy, enthusiasm and awkwardness are winning me over, lol...

[gigantes]

we didnt give up so much. we gave up peanuts

No, we very much didn't, and you know what? I forgot to mention that having those picks also gave us many tools to work with in case we wanted to tinker with the formula at any point across the next few years.

Now we're in a situation where tinkering is vastly more difficult due to those tools no longer being there, as well as Harden's salary.

Also once again, you gloss past or minimise everything that doesn't serve your point. You refuse to acknowledge what I said about Kyrie's unreliability and injury-prone nature, you assume that an aging Durant doesn't get injured again, you hand-wave away Fro as if he wasn't a pending RFA at the time, not to mention hugely useful to the Nets though not a shooter.

Ask CLE if they're happy to have given up a first for the guy, and $20m/y on a long contract. They're thrilled.

You assume so many, many things in pronouncing the whole thing a 'great idea' or 'no cost at all.' The real problem is the Nets traded away any margin for error, and now we're seeing what it looks like when that doesn't work out.

[Prokorov]

we didnt give up so much. we gave up peanuts

No, we very much didn't, and you know what? I forgot to mention that having those picks also gave us many tools to work with in case we wanted to tinker with the formula at any point across the next few years.

Now we're in a situation where tinkering is vastly more difficult due to those tools no longer being there, as well as Harden's salary.

Also once again, you gloss past or minimise everything that doesn't serve your point. You refuse to acknowledge what I said about Kyrie's unreliability and injury-prone nature, you assume that an aging Durant doesn't get injured again, you hand-wave away Fro as if he wasn't a pending RFA at the time, not to mention hugely useful to the Nets though not a shooter.

Ask CLE if they're happy to have given up a first for the guy, and $20m/y on a long contract. They're thrilled.

You assume so many, many things in pronouncing the whole thing a 'great idea' or 'no cost at all.' The real problem is the Nets traded away any margin for error, and now we're seeing what it looks like when that doesn't work out.

Cleveland is happy with the deal they gave allen. thats irrelevant to the trade. the trade was for 3 months of allen.

nothing is assumed. if the big 3 retired today the trade was still worth it. we gave up almost nothing

[MrDollarBills]

Indiana turned into dumpster fire. I am glad that the Pacers helped us in the trade land Harden and get Caris personally healthy, for better or worse but that trade should get someone fired in Houston.

That owner is a real lunatic and dirt bag, so who knows what their criteria is other than being a billionaire who likes pinching pennies.

That said, HOU was in a real pickle with Harden, and got way more picks than they should have IMO.

Kinda ironic, in that the first thing Marks said to Prokhy was 'no, we're not going to lunge after talent anymore,' and wound up paying half a decade in assets for Harden... shades of the KG / PP trade.

We gave up almost nothing for harden.

1) a 3-month rental of jarret allen
2) an overpaid, oft injured, massive negative in levert
3) 6 picks (3 swaps) and 1 of the swaps already has not conveyed.

We have already gotten our return on that trade just from what harden gave us last year. its as cheap as you will ever get a top 10 player. woith KD singed for 4 more years, this trade will age exceptionally well

We have no assets to improve the team and last year we went down in flames in the 2nd round. We are going to probably be in 10th place by month's end.

This has been a disaster. These guys have only played 16 games together.

[MrDollarBills]

we didnt give up so much. we gave up peanuts

No, we very much didn't, and you know what? I forgot to mention that having those picks also gave us many tools to work with in case we wanted to tinker with the formula at any point across the next few years.

Now we're in a situation where tinkering is vastly more difficult due to those tools no longer being there, as well as Harden's salary.

Also once again, you gloss past or minimise everything that doesn't serve your point. You refuse to acknowledge what I said about Kyrie's unreliability and injury-prone nature, you assume that an aging Durant doesn't get injured again, you hand-wave away Fro as if he wasn't a pending RFA at the time, not to mention hugely useful to the Nets though not a shooter.

Ask CLE if they're happy to have given up a first for the guy, and $20m/y on a long contract. They're thrilled.

You assume so many, many things in pronouncing the whole thing a 'great idea' or 'no cost at all.' The real problem is the Nets traded away any margin for error, and now we're seeing what it looks like when that doesn't work out.

He's trying to gaslight you.

The house is on fire, and he's telling you that everything is fine when it isn't.

[gigantes]

we didnt give up so much. we gave up peanuts

No, we very much didn't, and you know what? I forgot to mention that having those picks also gave us many tools to work with in case we wanted to tinker with the formula at any point across the next few years.

Now we're in a situation where tinkering is vastly more difficult due to those tools no longer being there, as well as Harden's salary.

Also once again, you gloss past or minimise everything that doesn't serve your point. You refuse to acknowledge what I said about Kyrie's unreliability and injury-prone nature, you assume that an aging Durant doesn't get injured again, you hand-wave away Fro as if he wasn't a pending RFA at the time, not to mention hugely useful to the Nets though not a shooter.

Ask CLE if they're happy to have given up a first for the guy, and $20m/y on a long contract. They're thrilled.

You assume so many, many things in pronouncing the whole thing a 'great idea' or 'no cost at all.' The real problem is the Nets traded away any margin for error, and now we're seeing what it looks like when that doesn't work out.

He's trying to gaslight you.

The house is on fire, and he's telling you that everything is fine when it isn't.

Number One practice of an intelligent conversation-- draw out the other person's POV such that you can properly understand it.

Proky is a guy who thinks his POV is golden, then tries to hand-wave & browbeat everyone around him, thinking it's going to change anything.

Here to lecture and learn nothing. Drunk on his own flatulence.

[Prokorov]

No, we very much didn't, and you know what? I forgot to mention that having those picks also gave us many tools to work with in case we wanted to tinker with the formula at any point across the next few years.

Now we're in a situation where tinkering is vastly more difficult due to those tools no longer being there, as well as Harden's salary.

Also once again, you gloss past or minimise everything that doesn't serve your point. You refuse to acknowledge what I said about Kyrie's unreliability and injury-prone nature, you assume that an aging Durant doesn't get injured again, you hand-wave away Fro as if he wasn't a pending RFA at the time, not to mention hugely useful to the Nets though not a shooter.

Ask CLE if they're happy to have given up a first for the guy, and $20m/y on a long contract. They're thrilled.

You assume so many, many things in pronouncing the whole thing a 'great idea' or 'no cost at all.' The real problem is the Nets traded away any margin for error, and now we're seeing what it looks like when that doesn't work out.

He's trying to gaslight you.

The house is on fire, and he's telling you that everything is fine when it isn't.

Number One practice of an intelligent conversation-- draw out the other person's POV such that you can properly understand it.

Proky is a guy who thinks his POV is golden, then tries to hand-wave & browbeat everyone around him, thinking it's going to change anything.

Here to lecture and learn nothing. Drunk on his own flatulence.

This is not my point of view. It is kevin durants, as told my kevin durant.

[HardenGoat]

[_Und3r][D4wg_]

We're fine. Just keep trucking along.

[GTR11]

We gave up almost nothing for harden.

1) a 3-month rental of jarret allen
2) an overpaid, oft injured, massive negative in levert
3) 6 picks (3 swaps) and 1 of the swaps already has not conveyed.

We have already gotten our return on that trade just from what harden gave us last year. its as cheap as you will ever get a top 10 player. woith KD singed for 4 more years, this trade will age exceptionally well

As usual, you have this way of interpreting almost everything in the service of your POV. It's funny, for someone who makes so many good observations in a vacuum, it can be downright breathtaking sometimes.

Fro was a real asset, and not just some throwaway. $20m/yr is perfectly reasonable for him and less than half Harden's salary. If the Nets had really wanted to they could have found a way to keep him without nuking their cap. Even if they couldn't or didn't want to, he was clearly worth some good assets via S&T or whatever. Not just sweetening the pot for a trade where the other team was the needy one.

As for the six picks and swaps, it's laughable to me (and typical) that you'd just dismiss them out of hand like that. For one thing, that all assumes the Nets manage to stay a top team the entire time, which is never a given. Because picks are a wonderful way of representing insurance against disaster, and now you've given up all that insurance. But they also just represent more opportunities to find a good player, and you can't just count on Marks always being able to grab late firsts somehow. Some years that's probably not going to work out.

I know... "championships" and all that. Taking big gambles for championships and it sometimes working, and all being forgiven. But so far it's not working, doesn't look like it's going to anytime soon, which leaves a thought-- the Nets arguably would have been in vastly better shape not doing the Harden deal.

Not just 'hindsight 20/20,' but factoring in the known concerns with Harden, the known wackiness and fragility of Kyrie, and the inherent risks of giving up so much for a couple swings at the fences. Because when that doesn't work out, this is what it looks like, which is exactly why one should expect to hear a bunch of annoyed Nets fans sounding off around now.

Did we overpayed for Harden, most definitely. Than again you have to consider entire situation at the time. It wasn't like he said I want to be traded to BK and nowhere else. We had to go to bidding war vs multiple teams.
Acquiring Harden was no brainer let's not kid ourselves here. Top 5 MVP level player don't fall in to your laps every year. We've seen how motivated Harden looks like last year, unstoppable force. You pair him up with KD and Kyrie, yeah no team will stand a chance. The idea was right and calculated well basketball wise. It's the other thing that Marks failed on and overlooked. I mean I'm sick and tired of that guys shenanigans.
Bottom line, when 3 on them floor with with ok coach, that's a dynasty team written all over it. Call me fool but I still hold hope that KD can talk Harden into staying with us. Vaccine mandate won't be forever, Nash most likely will be gone after this year.

[GTR11]

He's trying to gaslight you.

The house is on fire, and he's telling you that everything is fine when it isn't.

Number One practice of an intelligent conversation-- draw out the other person's POV such that you can properly understand it.

Proky is a guy who thinks his POV is golden, then tries to hand-wave & browbeat everyone around him, thinking it's going to change anything.

Here to lecture and learn nothing. Drunk on his own flatulence.

This is not my point of view. It is kevin durants, as told my kevin durant.

He didn't say that period. There's more than enough people told you that and we have witnessed what both Kyrie and Harden talking about. There's clearly a rift between Kyrie and Harden right now. They don't even want to be around each other right now.

Last year Harden with bad hemi was on the bench cheering, f*** is he doing in a locker past week?

Look around at entire thing, stop with your syndrome " sealioning " stuff, we ain't blind or dumb.

[Jay555]

Number One practice of an intelligent conversation-- draw out the other person's POV such that you can properly understand it.

Proky is a guy who thinks his POV is golden, then tries to hand-wave & browbeat everyone around him, thinking it's going to change anything.

Here to lecture and learn nothing. Drunk on his own flatulence.

This is not my point of view. It is kevin durants, as told my kevin durant.

He didn't say that period. There's more than enough people told you that and we have witnessed what both Kyrie and Harden talking about. There's clearly a rift between Kyrie and Harden right now. They don't even want to be around each other right now.

Last year Harden with bad hemi was on the bench cheering, f*** is he doing in a locker past week?

Look around at entire thing, stop with your syndrome " sealioning " stuff, we ain't blind or dumb.

He may not be in the locker.

Nets PR might just say that so we think it's all ok.

[GTR11]

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Well, I'm in a panic mode now. Morey planning to dump salary via Detroit with Ben, than use Toby as a salary filler for Dame.

Marks better figure something out.

[TheNetsFan]

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I'd love to get Nance redirected here if possible. Portland could wind up helping Philly this summer if they need to shed salary.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm in official panic mode

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Beal out for the rest of the season......