Kyrie Wants Out

[MrDollarBills]

I do find it interesting to note that in spite of how many Nets fans may feel about Kyrie, both Claxton and Thomas said that Kyrie is and will remain a brother to them.

While I can't say they speak for the rest of the team, it's probably a good indication his teammates don't have an issue with him and he's not a problem for the locker room that he's often portrayed to be.

While Marks makes the decisions and Tsai cuts the checks, I hope that they at least talk to KD and possibly some of the other players before making a final decision.

It's a contract/monetary dispute. Even from my end as a fan, it's not something i can take personal either. It sucks that he chose to nuke our season again because of it, but I'm over it. He's within his rights. But I'll be glad when this is over.

Cam said it best when asked by the media. He said it was none of his business, which is correct.

KD indirectly criticized Kai already several times as well. He just didn’t make it obvious.

It's fine. We just need to get the best return possible for Kyrie so we can resume trying to win. If we can pull Toronto into a deal to get FVV i think we have to do it.

[Stone]

I thought RJ made a few good point durning the broadcast last night. When he mentioned that players ask out more than we think across the sports leagues. And even more poignant at the time was when J Kidd left the Nets. When Kidd left I remember a lot of us thought he did us dirty. But most of us were happy to see him win a trophy with the Mavs.

[Netaman]

with news of clippers getting aggressive for kyrie, here's something that i think makes sense for all involved. the big give from LAC is Mann, who im sure they will lament as a deal breaker but since they have no picks I just don't see how they can do a deal otherwise.

raptors get mann and kennard, both on good contracts, plus a future first and sharpe for FVV. that seems like a pretty strong return for a rental.

nets get covington and birch to add size along with FVV. plus hang on to cam and i believe 1 future first they can trade if they want to add something else.



fvv / patty
oneal / curry
kd / harris / yuta
simmons / covington /warren
clax / birch

everyone around KD is a shooter or defender. several are both.

[Eatgreenz]

it's basically pro forma to not comment on other players salary negotiations (especially younger players when it's a vet of kyrie's stature). i dont take much from their comments. i think the entire organization is over kyrie.

Of course, they're not going to talk about another player's contract. They're speaking about how they feel about Kyrie and, whether anyone else likes or not, they and many other players in the NBA community like him.

The organization, outside of the players, might be over him but I don't think that extends to the players.

there are a lot of people i like who in a million years i'd never want to work with or have to count on for anything including ordering a pizza correctly. they are saying they "like him as a person" im sure in part because they do but mostly because they can't say honestly what they think of him as a chaos agent teammate.

let's not act like there aren't also numerous statured players from perhaps the most respected of all time (kareem) to former teammates, some among the most respected in the nba over the last couple decdaes (horford) who have spoken honestly about his nonsense, it's just easier for them to do so because they have the stature to be honest and they arent his current teammates. and some of these public comments go all the way back to cleveland and then been steady since boston, before everything he's done the last 16 months.

https://nesn.com/2019/10/al-horford-knows-celtics-would-have-struggled-to-coexist-if-kyrie-irving-returned/

Yea thats my thing with Kai i didnt like when ppl, tried to frame him as a demon child or clowns like gtr calling him a creature. From the deeds and act he does his not a bad person at all. But his professionalism yea that cant be argued his not the best around. His that guy at work who keeps doing the most when everyone else is just trying to clock in and clock out.

[Paradise]

This is a “strong” offer? Lol

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Marcus Morris or Powell has to be included.

[MrDollarBills]

Of course, they're not going to talk about another player's contract. They're speaking about how they feel about Kyrie and, whether anyone else likes or not, they and many other players in the NBA community like him.

The organization, outside of the players, might be over him but I don't think that extends to the players.

there are a lot of people i like who in a million years i'd never want to work with or have to count on for anything including ordering a pizza correctly. they are saying they "like him as a person" im sure in part because they do but mostly because they can't say honestly what they think of him as a chaos agent teammate.

let's not act like there aren't also numerous statured players from perhaps the most respected of all time (kareem) to former teammates, some among the most respected in the nba over the last couple decdaes (horford) who have spoken honestly about his nonsense, it's just easier for them to do so because they have the stature to be honest and they arent his current teammates. and some of these public comments go all the way back to cleveland and then been steady since boston, before everything he's done the last 16 months.

https://nesn.com/2019/10/al-horford-knows-celtics-would-have-struggled-to-coexist-if-kyrie-irving-returned/

Yea thats my thing with Kai i didnt like when ppl, tried to frame him as a demon child or clowns like gtr calling him a creature. From the deeds and act he does his not a bad person at all. But his professionalism yea that cant be argued his not the best around. His that guy at work who keeps doing the most when everyone else is just trying to clock in and clock out.

Yep. It's not about Kyrie the person, but Kyrie the professional. He's not someone that you want to deal with on a professional level when the team is trying to win a championship.

No hard feelings from me. This isn't the same as the last time he got himself suspended, this is a money dispute. I know i would up and leave if i felt like my employer was short changing me, so for me to be upset would be hypocritical.

However, I don't blame the Nets one bit for their stance on the matter either.

[MrDollarBills]

This is a “strong” offer? Lol

Read on Twitter

Marcus Morris or Powell has to be included.

That deal is garbage. The Clippers are thinking about cutting John Wall because he's ass. Reggie Jackson has also been ass, which is why Leonard went public about LAC needing a PG.

If we can't pull in a team like Chicago or Toronto who is probably going to be sellers at this point, Marks has failed miserably

[CalamityX12]

Get yo popcorn out n rdy

[Eatgreenz]

there are a lot of people i like who in a million years i'd never want to work with or have to count on for anything including ordering a pizza correctly. they are saying they "like him as a person" im sure in part because they do but mostly because they can't say honestly what they think of him as a chaos agent teammate.

let's not act like there aren't also numerous statured players from perhaps the most respected of all time (kareem) to former teammates, some among the most respected in the nba over the last couple decdaes (horford) who have spoken honestly about his nonsense, it's just easier for them to do so because they have the stature to be honest and they arent his current teammates. and some of these public comments go all the way back to cleveland and then been steady since boston, before everything he's done the last 16 months.

https://nesn.com/2019/10/al-horford-knows-celtics-would-have-struggled-to-coexist-if-kyrie-irving-returned/

Yea thats my thing with Kai i didnt like when ppl, tried to frame him as a demon child or clowns like gtr calling him a creature. From the deeds and act he does his not a bad person at all. But his professionalism yea that cant be argued his not the best around. His that guy at work who keeps doing the most when everyone else is just trying to clock in and clock out.

Yep. It's not about Kyrie the person, but Kyrie the professional. He's not someone that you want to deal with on a professional level when the team is trying to win a championship.

No hard feelings from me. This isn't the same as the last time he got himself suspended, this is a money dispute. I know i would up and leave if i felt like my employer was short changing me, so for me to be upset would be hypocritical.

However, I don't blame the Nets one bit for their stance on the matter either.

100% like if nets gave him that contract, would anybody honestly put any money down he wouldn't miss no games that wasn't injury related. I still like Kai but lets get players in here that want to clock in clock out like a fred vanvleet, hopefully KD sees that lets make run at a chip

[NetsWorld]

This is a “strong” offer? Lol

Read on Twitter

Marcus Morris or Powell has to be included.

That deal is garbage. The Clippers are thinking about cutting John Wall because he's ass. Reggie Jackson has also been ass, which is why Leonard went public about LAC needing a PG.

If we can't pull in a team like Chicago or Toronto who is probably going to be sellers at this point, Marks has failed miserably

If you pull Chicago in, Vucevic and Lavine are my two targets.’but you have to trade picks and Kyrie’s expiring along with potentially Curry to make the deal work. I would.

[MrDollarBills]

This is a “strong” offer? Lol

Read on Twitter

Marcus Morris or Powell has to be included.

That deal is garbage. The Clippers are thinking about cutting John Wall because he's ass. Reggie Jackson has also been ass, which is why Leonard went public about LAC needing a PG.

If we can't pull in a team like Chicago or Toronto who is probably going to be sellers at this point, Marks has failed miserably

If you pull Chicago in, Vucevic and Lavine are my two targets.’but you have to trade picks and Kyrie’s expiring along with potentially Curry to make the deal work. I would.

Absolutely.

I want both Powell and Mann from the Clippers if they can't pull in another team

[MrDollarBills]

Yea thats my thing with Kai i didnt like when ppl, tried to frame him as a demon child or clowns like gtr calling him a creature. From the deeds and act he does his not a bad person at all. But his professionalism yea that cant be argued his not the best around. His that guy at work who keeps doing the most when everyone else is just trying to clock in and clock out.

Yep. It's not about Kyrie the person, but Kyrie the professional. He's not someone that you want to deal with on a professional level when the team is trying to win a championship.

No hard feelings from me. This isn't the same as the last time he got himself suspended, this is a money dispute. I know i would up and leave if i felt like my employer was short changing me, so for me to be upset would be hypocritical.

However, I don't blame the Nets one bit for their stance on the matter either.

100% like if nets gave him that contract, would anybody honestly put any money down he would miss no games that wasn't injury related. I still like Kai but lets get players in here that want to clock in clock out like a fred vanvleet, hopefully KD sees that lets make run at a chip

FVV is a championship level no nonsense player. He would be a perfect fit and we would still be able to contend.

Anything less than an all star level return for Kyrie warrants Marks' dismissal

[gigantes]

This is more than just a money dispute to me.

If Kyrie's team had been negotiating on a reasonable timeframe (they've had ever since early last offseason when the Nets first offered them a incentivised contract), and had continued to come back at Marks with counteroffers, then that would be a reasonable situation to me.

Instead, by going scorched earth like this with all of six days left, they're the **** here. And prima drama queens yet again, directly working against Kyrie's reputation and ability to get the maximum contract or extension possible.

All they had to do was let Kyrie continue to ball out the rest of the season, and it would have gone a good ways to repairing both things. But NOoo.....

[therealbig3]

I guess my question is, why does Kyrie warrant an All-Star level return? Honestly speaking?

He barely plays, is a huge drama queen and overall distraction with a negative impact on the locker room, can blow up your season at any moment, is on an expiring contract, and it’s pretty clear at this point that he’s not a championship level player unless he’s literally playing with the GOAT who keeps him in check, and that only lasted 3 seasons. In most circumstances, he’s actually your classic “pretty numbers, negative impact” player. Huge sample size at this point, and the league knows it.

[Hello Brooklyn]

The fact that anyone is still defending Kyrie is comical.

Hes freaking out at the Nets for not offering him a contract that no other team would offer him.

You think we wouldn't give him a 2 year extension? Of course we would.

The guy is a headcase. The Antonio Brown of the NBA.

Hes in his prime and on a Championship contender.

All he had to do was shut up and keep playing like he was until KD comes back. Then the Nets definitely had a chance of winning it all. And he probably gets that max extension.

Now hes throwing it away for what? To get the same contract he would have anyway!!!!

The Lakers are not winning it all with Kyrie anyway. They suck even with LeBron/AD.

[Hello Brooklyn]

I guess my question is, why does Kyrie warrant an All-Star level return? Honestly speaking?

He barely plays, is a huge drama queen and overall distraction with a negative impact on the locker room, can blow up your season at any moment, is on an expiring contract, and it’s pretty clear at this point that he’s not a championship level player unless he’s literally playing with the GOAT who keeps him in check, and that only lasted 3 seasons. In most circumstances, he’s actually your classic “pretty numbers, negative impact” player. Huge sample size at this point, and the league knows it.

I've never agreed with the criticism of his on court talents.

Like he doesn't make a team better. Or he can't carry a team.

The issue has always been his off the court antics.

What he did in Boston is child's play compared to what he did here.

We did everything we possibly could to accommodate Kyrie. Let him sit out the first year. Let him sit out games for no apparent reason.

Didn't trade him due to his vaccine stance. Then we let him play in road games.

Then we brought him back after he posted the anti-semetic movie.

How does he repay us?

By ruining the entire season.

He will do the same thing for any other team. So no hes not worth an All Star return.

The guy is more trouble than hes worth. All the talent in the world isn't worth the toxic energy he creates.

[Eatgreenz]

Yep. It's not about Kyrie the person, but Kyrie the professional. He's not someone that you want to deal with on a professional level when the team is trying to win a championship.

No hard feelings from me. This isn't the same as the last time he got himself suspended, this is a money dispute. I know i would up and leave if i felt like my employer was short changing me, so for me to be upset would be hypocritical.

However, I don't blame the Nets one bit for their stance on the matter either.

100% like if nets gave him that contract, would anybody honestly put any money down he would miss no games that wasn't injury related. I still like Kai but lets get players in here that want to clock in clock out like a fred vanvleet, hopefully KD sees that lets make run at a chip

FVV is a championship level no nonsense player. He would be a perfect fit and we would still be able to contend.

Anything less than an all star level return for Kyrie warrants Marks' dismissal

Absolutely. I love freds game and mentality. Hope thats who marks is trying to replace the guard spot with kai for to. KD defiantly would love a player like Fred he all about hoops

[NyCeEvO]

Yep. It's not about Kyrie the person, but Kyrie the professional. He's not someone that you want to deal with on a professional level when the team is trying to win a championship.

No hard feelings from me. This isn't the same as the last time he got himself suspended, this is a money dispute. I know i would up and leave if i felt like my employer was short changing me, so for me to be upset would be hypocritical.

However, I don't blame the Nets one bit for their stance on the matter either.

100% like if nets gave him that contract, would anybody honestly put any money down he would miss no games that wasn't injury related. I still like Kai but lets get players in here that want to clock in clock out like a fred vanvleet, hopefully KD sees that lets make run at a chip

FVV is a championship level no nonsense player. He would be a perfect fit and we would still be able to contend.

Anything less than an all star level return for Kyrie warrants Marks' dismissal

Kyrie is out of contract at the end of the season. I’d be shocked if a team would be willing to give up a lot when there are no guarantees that he’d be there next season.

[MrDollarBills]

I guess my question is, why does Kyrie warrant an All-Star level return? Honestly speaking?

He barely plays, is a huge drama queen and overall distraction with a negative impact on the locker room, can blow up your season at any moment, is on an expiring contract, and it’s pretty clear at this point that he’s not a championship level player unless he’s literally playing with the GOAT who keeps him in check, and that only lasted 3 seasons. In most circumstances, he’s actually your classic “pretty numbers, negative impact” player. Huge sample size at this point, and the league knows it.

If some fool wants him, they will have to pay. Why should we give him away for John Wall's corpse and a carton of cigarettes?

[MrDollarBills]

100% like if nets gave him that contract, would anybody honestly put any money down he would miss no games that wasn't injury related. I still like Kai but lets get players in here that want to clock in clock out like a fred vanvleet, hopefully KD sees that lets make run at a chip

FVV is a championship level no nonsense player. He would be a perfect fit and we would still be able to contend.

Anything less than an all star level return for Kyrie warrants Marks' dismissal

Kyrie is out of contract at the end of the season. I’d be shocked if a team would be willing to give up a lot when there are no guarantees that he’d be there next season.

I'm not taking back a player who the Clippers are about to waive.