All Things "Brooklyn Nets" Thread

[gelek]

There is one thing that I don't understand about the Brooklyn Nets optimism about opportunities and being in a huge market and the likes. And that is that for all intents and purposes at least initially you guys are the number 2 brand in terms of awareness and brand recognition.

The Barclay Center can be the nicest arena in the world and MSG could be a dump and it still would be the "Garden", its more the perception that it is special that makes it so and not extra nice comfy seats.

Brooklyn can be called hip or urban, but Manhattan is one of the media centers of the world

You are the center of infatuation for some voices in the media, Stephen A. Smith in special. But at the same team it sometimes looks like flavor of the month treatement with a lot of the excitement being the prospect of having D12 and Deron on one team, something that seems a lot less likely now.

Oh and the fact that Prokhy has 17B? It's not like there is no salaray cap. Over here in europe rich foreign "investors" usually can spend their money pretty much as they please which is why soccer teams such as Chelsea and Man City have had comparable success. If you go about building a nba roster with that mentality you will end up blowing money for mediocre players, something the Knicks know a fair bit about (and it looks like BK is falling into the same trap)

From a financial and media standpoint you also have to account for the fact that the Knicks are basically owned by MSG-Networks whereas the Nets were on YES (does that change now?) And being a guestfranchise on the channel of another franchise isn't the most desirable solution imho.

All in all you guys are now almost doomed to sign with the devil and do everything to bring somethign comparable to D12+Deron or else a lot of the luster is gone.

[Rich Rane]

We see it like this: The Knicks since the merger have had about the same success as the Nets. In fact, one could definitely put up an argument that MSG has been prestigious since then for everything, EXCEPT pro-basketball. One could also argue that if the Knicks were located elsewhere, no one would give a damn about them and the reason why they have so much support is simply because they represent New York. Do we expect the Brooklyn Nets to match the support of the Knicks? No, but we expect it to be damned more than what they got in Jersey.

[vincecarter4pres]

Two things...

1. The Garden, is famous for everything but the Knicks. They are famous for boxing matches, concerts, the Rangers and other teams and players like the Bulls and Michael Jordan and the Pacers and Reggie Miller, not the Knicks.

2. The Knicks are more or less irrelevant outside of the Tristate area, except as the running butt of jokes and punchlines and the main target for trolls that love ripping delusional Knicks fans.

So the Knicks might remain the #1 team and draw in this area, but if the Nets become successful and have big star power like Deron and Dwight, most likely they will be relevant country and worldwide in a Los Angeles Lakers, Chicago Bulls modus operandi, while the Knicks remain more popular locally but are still a joke, obviously so to the majority outside their insane fan base.

And last but not least, even if the Knicks are the more popular of the two teams locally, that doesn't mean the Nets are going to be the Nets of old, or the Islanders of the area.

They will be the Spurs to the Mavericks. Not as popular compared directly, but still sellout after sellout with a storied future.


This is of course unless the Nets lose everyone but Brook Lopez to free agency and start Ramon Sessions at the point after signing him to a 4 year $37 million deal.

[jeff1624]

Two things...

1. The Garden, is famous for everything but the Knicks. They are famous for boxing matches, concerts, the Rangers and other teams and players like the Bulls and Michael Jordan and the Pacers and Reggie Miller, not the Knicks.

2. The Knicks are more or less irrelevant outside of the Tristate area, except as the running butt of jokes and punchlines and the main target for trolls that love ripping delusional Knicks fans.

So the Knicks might remain the #1 team and draw in this area, but if the Nets become successful and have big star power like Deron and Dwight, most likely they will be relevant country and worldwide in a Los Angeles Lakers, Chicago Bulls modus operandi, while the Knicks remain more popular locally but are still a joke, obviously so to the majority outside their insane fan base.

And last but not least, even if the Knicks are the more popular of the two teams locally, that doesn't mean the Nets are going to be the Nets of old, or the Islanders of the area.

They will be the Spurs to the Mavericks. Not as popular compared directly, but still sellout after sellout with a storied future.


This is of course unless the Nets lose everyone but Brook Lopez to free agency and start Ramon Sessions at the point after signing him to a 4 year $37 million deal.

[gelek]

Two things...

1. The Garden, is famous for everything but the Knicks. They are famous for boxing matches, concerts, the Rangers and other teams and players like the Bulls and Michael Jordan and the Pacers and Reggie Miller, not the Knicks.

2. The Knicks are more or less irrelevant outside of the Tristate area, except as the running butt of jokes and punchlines and the main target for trolls that love ripping delusional Knicks fans.

So the Knicks might remain the #1 team and draw in this area, but if the Nets become successful and have big star power like Deron and Dwight, most likely they will be relevant country and worldwide in a Los Angeles Lakers, Chicago Bulls modus operandi, while the Knicks remain more popular locally but are still a joke, obviously so to the majority outside their insane fan base.

And last but not least, even if the Knicks are the more popular of the two teams locally, that doesn't mean the Nets are going to be the Nets of old, or the Islanders of the area.

They will be the Spurs to the Mavericks. Not as popular compared directly, but still sellout after sellout with a storied future.


This is of course unless the Nets lose everyone but Brook Lopez to free agency and start Ramon Sessions at the point after signing him to a 4 year $37 million deal.

Thanks for the answer, maybe my 2 cents:
1) Over here in europe, MSG is pretty well known (at least to people interested in sports and entertainment). And so are the Knicks. Arguably the Knicks are better known then all NFL-Franchises (except for the Steelers here in Switzerland since Roethlisberger is like a 3rd generation expat from Switzerland. Well that's why we know the Thunder, thanks to Thabo).

If you ask people over here they will know the Bulls because of MJ, they will know the Lakers because you always see snippets of celebs watching games and you will know the Knicks because they're the team from NY. There have actually even been articles in national newspapers and the like where they talk about Jay-Z buying the Knicks, effectively meshing our franchises together

2. And even in the US, there is a reason Linsanity happened in NY. Yes it was a perfect storm of an asian-american, undrafted, harvard grad, smallish (compared to centers and the like) player but part of it was also that he played on "the grandest stage of them all".

3. As for success. I agree that if a franchise stays successfull for a long time, then people will forget that they used to suck and the franchise will appear more popular (Dallas would be a good example I think). And btw, that's part of my argument. That while it was looking that you'd be getting D12 and Deron on one team, the optimism about the move was validated. But now that the best case scenario sans Dwight would be you're looking at a 3-4 seed in the east I don't get the excitement.

Let's just say the way BK is "leading" your franchise you're looking to become a bit like we did under Isiah, making moves just for the sake of it, with no regard to future development.

[vincecarter4pres]

I agree the excitement is lost without Dwight and King has been crap, but the Knicks aren't in any position to contend either.

Their upside is getting destroyed by a real team in the ECF's as of now.

[drejeronfire]

There's this tendency by the media to put the Knicks on the level of the Lakers in terms of popularity and success, but the truth of the matter is that if you go abroad the majority of people have never even heard of the Knicks...

I point that out because for as inept as the Nets have been these last few years they have done a phenomenal job of creating global awareness of the team.

[Brooklynard]

Here are some pics over Brooklyn Nets, there are some pretty cool concepts uniforms:
http://pinterest.com/manguy/brooklyn-nets/

What do you think?

[BlueDawn]

Here are some pics over Brooklyn Nets, there are some pretty cool concepts uniforms:
http://pinterest.com/manguy/brooklyn-nets/

What do you think?

Melanie Iglesias >>>>

Also, am loving your avi/profile thing you got going on there. Great first post =P

[NyCeEvO]

Here are some pics over Brooklyn Nets, there are some pretty cool concepts uniforms:
http://pinterest.com/manguy/brooklyn-nets/

What do you think?

Welcome to the forum!

I think the checkered jersey design looks pretty weird lol.

[treiz]

Thanks for the answer, maybe my 2 cents:
1) Over here in europe, MSG is pretty well known (at least to people interested in sports and entertainment). And so are the Knicks. Arguably the Knicks are better known then all NFL-Franchises (except for the Steelers here in Switzerland since Roethlisberger is like a 3rd generation expat from Switzerland. Well that's why we know the Thunder, thanks to Thabo).

If you ask people over here they will know the Bulls because of MJ, they will know the Lakers because you always see snippets of celebs watching games and you will know the Knicks because they're the team from NY. There have actually even been articles in national newspapers and the like where they talk about Jay-Z buying the Knicks, effectively meshing our franchises together

2. And even in the US, there is a reason Linsanity happened in NY. Yes it was a perfect storm of an asian-american, undrafted, harvard grad, smallish (compared to centers and the like) player but part of it was also that he played on "the grandest stage of them all".

3. As for success. I agree that if a franchise stays successfull for a long time, then people will forget that they used to suck and the franchise will appear more popular (Dallas would be a good example I think). And btw, that's part of my argument. That while it was looking that you'd be getting D12 and Deron on one team, the optimism about the move was validated. But now that the best case scenario sans Dwight would be you're looking at a 3-4 seed in the east I don't get the excitement.

Let's just say the way BK is "leading" your franchise you're looking to become a bit like we did under Isiah, making moves just for the sake of it, with no regard to future development.

Here is my 2 cents:

1) MSG is well known here in England true, but nobody knows who the Knicks are. Most people think it's just an arena sort of like the MGM Grand in Vegas. In fact a lot more people here know MGM than the MSG. The Knicks aren't that known here, and the recent growth in the NFL here makes it a definite that majority o the NFL teams are more known than the Knicks.

2) Definitely agree there, it was a combination of all those things. Lin was literally made for the Knicks.

3) Again agree with winning forgives everything. Kobe was deemed a chucker in the mid 00s, then he won and all of a sudden he's considered the best player of his generation (seriously delusional Laker fans). Of course everything falls upon the Dwight-Deron duo, but not getting Dwight surely isn't the end of it, if BK stays and he will if Deron does, he still has a chance of redemption without Dwight, we still have some assets that could be useful, mainly cap space.

[vincecarter4pres]

Yo Treiz, are you on Twitter?

[treiz]

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[Brooklynard]

Here are some pics over Brooklyn Nets, there are some pretty cool concepts uniforms:
http://pinterest.com/manguy/brooklyn-nets/

What do you think?

I've updated it (new caps, tanks, pics, etc.). By the way, what do you think of this? http://pinterest.com/pin/236227942924925960/
Is it something official? or just promo?

[NBA Fan 1234]

Saw this earlier tweeted by Darren Rovell (NBC Sports Analyst -- a must follow IMO) and was gonna post it here but was unable to (on my phone). Figured that someone would post it by the time I got back, but nobody has...just thought it was interesting for you guys.


[quote]The rap mogul and Nets’ part-owner — who is also a director of the arena’s holding company — announced today he’s expanding his sports bar and restaurant mini-chain by opening a new 9,000-square-foot, 350-seat hotspot at the NBA Nets’ future home.
/quote]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/broo ... z1xoHkZ7Y6[

[N Ireland Nets]

Yeh saw reports on NetsDaily about this. Apparently we're going to have 3 clubs in Barclays Center, 40/40 club, Armand de Brignac Champagne Bar (at the Vault which is super super high end club) and the Calvin Klein Courtside Club. So as you can see it's going to be an outstanding arena which seems to lean more towards the high end customer.

Out of interest Paco whats your opinions as a non nets fan (I'm just guessing your not a Nets fan) on the Barclays Center?

Lets just hope and pray that we have a team that will match the arena or else these clubs & arena will go down like a fart in a space suit.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Heh...I'm actually a Knicks fan. Even though there are teams that I dislike, I like to think of myself as an unbiased/knowledgeable fan -- i.e., I won't let a bias affect my thinking.

With that being said...I think it's going to be tough for the first few years to sell out. Haven't seen many pics of it (haven't really searched), but it's new so I'm assuming it's going to be very nice.

There are a few reasons why I think it's going to be tough to sell tickets
-New team in new city -- unless you're moving to a place that's a crazy sports place that was craving a team (OKC), no matter the sport it's going to be tough to sell tickets
-Deron Williams (?) / how is the team going to be in the next few years
-Knicks finally are on the right track -- BUT, this could also help you (kind of like a double-edged sword) --> because Dolan is a sh*t owner and only cares about money, he'll keep increasing the prices (people will still buy). Therefore, people who will be looking for a basketball fix will be looking for "cheaper" options (I'm sure I'll go to a few games if it's a good game / the Knicks are not playing). The Nets, being the new team, will offer lower prices than the Knicks as well as an opportunity to hop on the bandwagon before the improvements really come. The cheaper tickets will allow for more families to go and for more people to be brought up as Nets fans.

I'm curious to see how Jay-Z uses his Brooklyn card to get people to become fans. As someone who hopes to go into sports business/law, this is something that interests me personally.

I like the idea of having clubs in an arena -- celebrities can go, possibly business place (Russian mob? joking), and it's going to provide the "cool" factor because not many arenas have them. It wouldn't surprise me if my mom's firm (and firms/companies in general) ended up buying a suite and using it to go to games with clients (I think they have a suite in every an arena in every city they have an office in). Should be able to make a lot of money from concerts, too.

[N Ireland Nets]

Thanks for the reply.

Yeh about the tickets, I know the prices have rocketed up and without knowing the price of knicks tickets they seem costly. Season tickets are apparently selling better than the PR thought they would do but could be spin to some extent.

If Williams re-signs (which I believe he will) we will have a playoff team next season and going by reports on Nets sites the arena should sell out. They have 2,000 cheap tickets to purchase for every game to make it affordable for every fan, I think tickets are something like $15 a ticket for those seats but don't quote me on that.

Most of the suites seem to have been bought and going by seats available it seems to me they are selling well. It really all comes down to the product though and if Williams and a few more sign the team will do fine next season and there shouldn't be a problem selling tickets.

Opening night is going to be completely crazy btw because you know the likes of Jay Z is going to be doing a performance / introduction to the Brooklyn Nets with the arena pumped up.

[gp123]

Sounds really cool, just hope it doesn't turn into a wine and cheese crowd. Here in Orlando the new amway center is amazing but everyone spends more time in its clubs and bars then actually watching the game in there seats... our 3rd quarters suck, seems to be one of dwight's gripes.

OKC's arena is so loud, I kinda wish we had used it as a model, even if its smaller and less fancy.

[VCRJKidd15]

Barclay center is built for the rich with all these special features that a casual person can't afford. Oh well im going for the games anyway.