Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[haosmoove]

I don't know why we signed Tyler Johnson when we already have way too many guards.

Was he brought on just as a bench warmer?

I don’t understand this move either.

If the rotation is:

Kyrie / LeVert
Dinwiddie / Shamet

It will already be tough to find minutes for Bruce Brown, so why sign another all offense no defense guard?

Would have preferred to give MKG or Batum a shot with the last roster spot.

Brown is an 8 minute per game player who will get plenty of DNPs and only really see extended times in games where we cant get a stop and the offense isnt getting it done.

Levert/Kyrie are locks to miss time. you need another guard there. plus TJ fits our roster well

Brown is by far our best perimeter defender, I think he will most likely get more than 8 minutes. Even if Shamet is ahead of him, it may be a 20/15 min spread with Brown playing more in 1/3 of the games where they badly need perimeter defense.

[MrDollarBills]

Again, don't be shocked when Brown eats into LeVert's mins. We need defense and he is legit the only defender that we have on the perimeter

[Prokorov]

I don’t understand this move either.

If the rotation is:

Kyrie / LeVert
Dinwiddie / Shamet

It will already be tough to find minutes for Bruce Brown, so why sign another all offense no defense guard?

Would have preferred to give MKG or Batum a shot with the last roster spot.

Brown is an 8 minute per game player who will get plenty of DNPs and only really see extended times in games where we cant get a stop and the offense isnt getting it done.

Levert/Kyrie are locks to miss time. you need another guard there. plus TJ fits our roster well

Brown is by far our best perimeter defender, I think he will most likely get more than 8 minutes. Even if Shamet is ahead of him, it may be a 20/15 min spread with Brown playing more in 1/3 of the games where they badly need perimeter defense.

Brown is our best perimeter defender. but we wont win games with defense. We will outscore teams. and having harris/shamet out there or dinwiddie and levert one one of those shooters IS how we are going to win games.

Brown will be in when we need a stop, situationally, when we need energy situationally, and maybe ramped up when there are injuries. he will be used like Nwaba was last year, maybe a bit less given we have more talent then last year and a deeper roster.

i think he iwll average 8-10 mpg, get plenty of DNP-CDs and also some 20-30 mpg nights. but overall he likely sees 1 6 minute shift in the second quarter and maybe 2-3 minutes at the end of a tight game

[Prokorov]

Again, don't be shocked when Brown eats into LeVert's mins. We need defense and he is legit the only defender that we have on the perimeter

Shamet/TJ are much more likely to eat into leverts minutes. we are going to beat teams by destroying them with our offense. which means alot of floor spacing for KD and Kyrie.

We wont face too many games where we need stops. and we are more likely to go shot for shot and out score them then to get a stop because brown is in.

I mean 1 or 2 screens and brown is no longer defending the on-ball scorer anyhow. if you dont have multiple solid defenders on the floor in todays league of all switchimg, it doesnt help as much

like say you have brown on like Butler. 1 screen and now Joe harris is on him. then on the other end some defender is ignoring brown to help on KD. you are better off just having shamet on the floor.

[Papi_swav]

Now Batum is a FA. I think we should of waited to get him. I don't think we should cut any of our guys. Maybe we can do a 2 for 1 trade for someone but the only trade bait player I see is Kurucs and IDK who else. And I rather keep Kurucs than trade him for a 2nd rounder.

[Paradise]

Now Batum is a FA. I think we should of waited to get him. I don't think we should cut any of our guys. Maybe we can do a 2 for 1 trade for someone but the only trade bait player I see is Kurucs and IDK who else. And I rather keep Kurucs than trade him for a 2nd rounder.

He’s headed to LA.

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[Papi_swav]

Now Batum is a FA. I think we should of waited to get him. I don't think we should cut any of our guys. Maybe we can do a 2 for 1 trade for someone but the only trade bait player I see is Kurucs and IDK who else. And I rather keep Kurucs than trade him for a 2nd rounder.

He’s headed to LA.

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Hmm ok that was quick. I rather GR3 anyway. It seems like this is the roster we're heading into the season with anyway.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Makes more sense for Batum to go to the Clippers anyway. There no PT left on this roster.

[DarkXaero]

Missing out on Batum sucks. He was a very cheap wing defender option, and there was reason to believe that he could turn out to be a steal if he gets back into form. Now instead, another contender gets stronger.

[Prokorov]

Missing out on Batum sucks. He was a very cheap wing defender option, and there was reason to believe that he could turn out to be a steal if he gets back into form. Now instead, another contender gets stronger.

he has lost a few steps and is oft injured. im not sure thats a great fit for us.

[DarkXaero]

Missing out on Batum sucks. He was a very cheap wing defender option, and there was reason to believe that he could turn out to be a steal if he gets back into form. Now instead, another contender gets stronger.

he has lost a few steps and is oft injured. im not sure thats a great fit for us.

I mean nobody was asking to spend major money on him, he was a very low risk/potentially high reward vet minimum signing. Batum is a 6'9" wing with a 7'1" wingspan, and proven track record of being a 3&D role player. Yes, he hasn't been good for a while, and he has some injury issues, but that's why he was available for vet min in the first place.

[Trader_Joe]

Missing out on Batum sucks. He was a very cheap wing defender option, and there was reason to believe that he could turn out to be a steal if he gets back into form. Now instead, another contender gets stronger.

he has lost a few steps and is oft injured. im not sure thats a great fit for us.

I mean nobody was asking to spend major money on him, he was a very low risk/potentially high reward vet minimum signing. Batum is a 6'9" wing with a 7'1" wingspan, and proven track record of being a 3&D role player. Yes, he hasn't been good for a while, and he has some injury issues, but that's why he was available for vet min in the first place.

Who do we cut?
Kurucs or TLC?
Rather have either

TJ maybe...

[Paradise]

Sean is playing the long game. I’m totally good with how we’re handling the MLE.

We could spend it after a Harden trade or after the trade deadline and buyout market. Now, if we ended up dealing for Harden at the deadline or deadline Spencer at the deadline (most likely outcome). We could atleast use the MLE to sign any quality vet on teams that will want out.

Example: Ariza appears to be staying in OKC. Nets could throw the entire MLE at him towards the buyout deadline once he’s available. Same with Whiteside or Noel if we deal Allen at the deadline.

[DarkXaero]

he has lost a few steps and is oft injured. im not sure thats a great fit for us.

I mean nobody was asking to spend major money on him, he was a very low risk/potentially high reward vet minimum signing. Batum is a 6'9" wing with a 7'1" wingspan, and proven track record of being a 3&D role player. Yes, he hasn't been good for a while, and he has some injury issues, but that's why he was available for vet min in the first place.

Who do we cut?
Kurucs or TLC?
Rather have either

TJ maybe...

Well considering we just signed TJ a couple days ago, despite having an overflow of guards, yeah, I'd rather have Batum over TJ. A rejuvenated version of Batum is also easily more valuable than Kurucs or TLC.

[Paradise]

Yeah, I’m definitely glad we’re saving the MLE now. Perhaps, Marks was aware of this.

Celtics now own the largest TPE ever. 28M. They could trade virtually anyone into that Trade Exception and they can wait patiently to do it...

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[Trader_Joe]

Sean is playing the long game. I’m totally good with how we’re handling the MLE.

We could spend it after a Harden trade or after the trade deadline and buyout market. Now, if we ended up dealing for Harden at the deadline or deadline Spencer at the deadline (most likely outcome). We could atleast use the MLE to sign any quality vet on teams that will want out.

Example: Ariza appears to be staying in OKC. Nets could throw the entire MLE at him towards the buyout deadline once he’s available. Same with Whiteside or Noel if we deal Allen at the deadline.

Or there is no one worth spending it on, especially given our tax bill. Notice we saved money on draft night and declined Temple (a FOK many told me would be kept)? We are already on the hook for over $50m in taxes right now (one of the highest ever). And I also can't picture Marks telling Tsai...so boss, there's this Ariza guy who keeps getting tossed around was waived. He may or may not have anything left, but here let me throw $5m at him, increase our tax bill by another $10-15m and really make no difference in our title chances. Sorry that our ridiculously expensive team with 2 top 15 players and tons of depth that I put together, can't get it done otherwise.

[Paradise]

Sean is playing the long game. I’m totally good with how we’re handling the MLE.

We could spend it after a Harden trade or after the trade deadline and buyout market. Now, if we ended up dealing for Harden at the deadline or deadline Spencer at the deadline (most likely outcome). We could atleast use the MLE to sign any quality vet on teams that will want out.

Example: Ariza appears to be staying in OKC. Nets could throw the entire MLE at him towards the buyout deadline once he’s available. Same with Whiteside or Noel if we deal Allen at the deadline.

Or there is no one worth spending it on, especially given our tax bill. Notice we saved money on draft night and declined Temple (a FOK many told me would be kept)? We are already on the hook for over $50m in taxes right now (one of the highest ever). And I also can't picture Marks telling Tsai...so boss, there's this Ariza guy who keeps getting tossed around was waived. He may or may not have anything left, but here let me throw $5m at him, increase our tax bill by another $10-15m and really make no difference in our title chances. Sorry that our ridiculously expensive team with 2 top 15 players and tons of depth that I put together, can't get it done otherwise.

Or he’s being patient and finding the right piece to spend it on? Our tax Bill going up $15m wouldn’t bother him whatsoever if it cements our season. The market will get interesting once the season is underway. It’s still based on mid-season success. I’m sure he and the entire staff are still figuring out who should fill the rest of the spots regardless of preseason or mid-season. It doesn’t have to be right away. Keeping flexibility and being opportunistic is always his speciality.

Look at what Boston just did with that S&T. That is a HUGE problem for us as a rival to them. He’s got to compete with that and whatever moves they might make based off of their own needs and watching the East in the “first half” of the season could impact our chances.

Nets have:

1. 5M TMLE
2. 2M TPE (Brown trade)
3. Exhibit 10 Contract / Two Way.

Only two low spending ways to get sneaky good pieces here and there’s nobody worth sacrificing Kurucs, TLC, Claxton for a roster spot yet.

[MrDollarBills]

Who is Boston going to trade for with that TPE?

I still think we needed to address wing defense. I don't buy the argument that we will be fine just outgunning teams. That won't work against the Lakers where we will need to get stops.

[Trader_Joe]

Sean is playing the long game. I’m totally good with how we’re handling the MLE.

We could spend it after a Harden trade or after the trade deadline and buyout market. Now, if we ended up dealing for Harden at the deadline or deadline Spencer at the deadline (most likely outcome). We could atleast use the MLE to sign any quality vet on teams that will want out.

Example: Ariza appears to be staying in OKC. Nets could throw the entire MLE at him towards the buyout deadline once he’s available. Same with Whiteside or Noel if we deal Allen at the deadline.

Or there is no one worth spending it on, especially given our tax bill. Notice we saved money on draft night and declined Temple (a FOK many told me would be kept)? We are already on the hook for over $50m in taxes right now (one of the highest ever). And I also can't picture Marks telling Tsai...so boss, there's this Ariza guy who keeps getting tossed around was waived. He may or may not have anything left, but here let me throw $5m at him, increase our tax bill by another $10-15m and really make no difference in our title chances. Sorry that our ridiculously expensive team with 2 top 15 players and tons of depth that I put together, can't get it done otherwise.

Or he’s being patient and finding the right piece to spend it on? Our tax Bill going up $15m wouldn’t bother him whatsoever if it cements our season. The market will get interesting once the season is underway. It’s still based on mid-season success. I’m sure he and the entire staff are still figuring out who should fill the rest of the spots regardless of preseason or mid-season. It doesn’t have to be right away. Keeping flexibility and being opportunistic is always his speciality.

Look at what Boston just did with that S&T. That is a HUGE problem for us as a rival to them. He’s got to compete with that and whatever moves they might make based off of their own needs and watching the East in the “first half” of the season could impact our chances.

Nets have:

1. 5M TMLE
2. 2M TPE (Brown trade)
3. Exhibit 10 Contract / Two Way.

Only two low spending ways to get sneaky good pieces here and there’s nobody worth sacrificing Kurucs, TLC, Claxton for a roster spot yet.

A ton of teams have TPEs and Boston is hard capped and likely wouldn't want to pay the tax. Not that worried.

Also, we had cash to play with at the draft and didn't. Most signs point to being fiscally responsible unless that Harden/blockbuster move comes. Spending 20m in salary and tax for a waived player...I would wager heavily against that.

[DarkXaero]

First of all, if Ariza gets waived, he's not getting a MLE, he's getting vet min (assuming this is mid season). Second, I don't see why we need to be scared about Boston's TPE, given the limitations associated with TPE, that's silly. We aren't going to use the MLE at this point because there are no players left worth the MLE. It's not about Tsai unwilling to spend, its about being reasonable with money. Temple's option was declined because we got a younger, better alternative in Bruce Brown. We aren't just going to sign someone to MLE when there's no one worthy of it, and that also doesn't mean that we never wanted to use it because Tsai got cheap. Don't forget that we were trying to sign Ibaka to a MLE deal before.

At this point, I'm certain that we're waiting/hoping on a trade to happen, otherwise this roster construction doesn't make much sense. And that limbo status has most likely been the reason for our lack of moves in this offseason so far.