Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[Hello Brooklyn]

So apparently FAs signed this year can be traded started December 8th which for us includes:

Harris
TJ (he can veto)
Chiozza
J.Green

I'm not sure if we can trade Shamet or B.Brown since they were in multi-player deals tho.

So current roster:

Irving / Dinwiddie / T.Johnson
LeVert / Shamet / Brown
Harris / TLC / Prince
Durant / Kurucs / J.Green
Jordan / Allen / Claxton

I am guessing J.Martin is waived and Chiozza and R.Perry are the 2-ways.

I still don't see who guards Giannis, Butler, Tatum in the East, LBJ, Leonard, George in the West.
Covington and Holiday are off the board.
So that leaves.. Gordon (who I still am a fan of), Oladipo, (but he's a risk with his injury and contract status.. plus can he guard 6'8" guys?). PJ Tucker maybe? Can he guard wings, or strictly bigs these days?

Otherwise Roberson is out there (but who do we get rid of) and maybe Ariza if he's bought out.

Really I think our best hopes are internal.
CLV - has the length and instinct and started to bulk up, but he's a bit slow at times and gambles.
T.Prince - very stringy and not the highest IQ, but the tools are there.
TLC - I'm irrationally high on TLC and almost think he's our best bet.
Kurucs - people compared him to AK47 his rookie year with his length, defense and ability to play the 3 or 4, but he regressed last year.
and of course Durant... I don't want the onus on him right away, but if he's back to his old self, he's probably the best defender we have.

I agree with you. I think far too much has been made about us having to bring somebody in to be our "defensive wing."

We have several players who can fit that profile and become that guy on our team right now in the right system. That's what the goal has to be. Make our players better.

Prince to me is still young and has the size and length to be an excellent defender. TLC is another good option and CLV will have much less pressure on offense. I would also include Dinwddie due to his height and length.

I believe all of those guys can be good defenders in the right system with other veterans around them to help.

Why are we just giving up on that possibility and acting like trading 2 first rounders for Covington was the only answer? We saw what LeBron did to Covington in the playoffs anyway. Am I supposed to believe players on our roster can't replicate that?

I also think Jordan can go back to being an elite interior defender for the right matchups.

[MrDollarBills]

So apparently FAs signed this year can be traded started December 8th which for us includes:

Harris
TJ (he can veto)
Chiozza
J.Green

I'm not sure if we can trade Shamet or B.Brown since they were in multi-player deals tho.

So current roster:

Irving / Dinwiddie / T.Johnson
LeVert / Shamet / Brown
Harris / TLC / Prince
Durant / Kurucs / J.Green
Jordan / Allen / Claxton

I am guessing J.Martin is waived and Chiozza and R.Perry are the 2-ways.

I still don't see who guards Giannis, Butler, Tatum in the East, LBJ, Leonard, George in the West.
Covington and Holiday are off the board.
So that leaves.. Gordon (who I still am a fan of), Oladipo, (but he's a risk with his injury and contract status.. plus can he guard 6'8" guys?). PJ Tucker maybe? Can he guard wings, or strictly bigs these days?

Otherwise Roberson is out there (but who do we get rid of) and maybe Ariza if he's bought out.

Really I think our best hopes are internal.
CLV - has the length and instinct and started to bulk up, but he's a bit slow at times and gambles.
T.Prince - very stringy and not the highest IQ, but the tools are there.
TLC - I'm irrationally high on TLC and almost think he's our best bet.
Kurucs - people compared him to AK47 his rookie year with his length, defense and ability to play the 3 or 4, but he regressed last year.
and of course Durant... I don't want the onus on him right away, but if he's back to his old self, he's probably the best defender we have.

I agree with you. I think far too much has been made about us having to bring somebody in to be our "defensive wing."

We have several players who can fit that profile and become that guy on our team right now in the right system. That's what the goal has to be. Make our players better.

Prince to me is still young and has the size and length to be an excellent defender. TLC is another good option and CLV will have much less pressure on offense. I would also include Dinwddie due to his height and length.

I believe all of those guys can be good defenders in the right system with other veterans around them to help.

Why are we just giving up on that possibility and acting like trading 2 first rounders for Covington was the only answer? We saw what LeBron did to Covington in the playoffs anyway. Am I supposed to believe players on our roster can't replicate that?

I also think Jordan can go back to being an elite interior defender for the right matchups.

The problem with Prince and TLC is that they are both low IQ players who lack situational awareness especially off of the ball defensively.

Jordan took half a season to remotely even look good. If Allen doesn't outplay him this season i will be shocked.

[Hello Brooklyn]

So apparently FAs signed this year can be traded started December 8th which for us includes:

Harris
TJ (he can veto)
Chiozza
J.Green

I'm not sure if we can trade Shamet or B.Brown since they were in multi-player deals tho.

So current roster:

Irving / Dinwiddie / T.Johnson
LeVert / Shamet / Brown
Harris / TLC / Prince
Durant / Kurucs / J.Green
Jordan / Allen / Claxton

I am guessing J.Martin is waived and Chiozza and R.Perry are the 2-ways.

I still don't see who guards Giannis, Butler, Tatum in the East, LBJ, Leonard, George in the West.
Covington and Holiday are off the board.
So that leaves.. Gordon (who I still am a fan of), Oladipo, (but he's a risk with his injury and contract status.. plus can he guard 6'8" guys?). PJ Tucker maybe? Can he guard wings, or strictly bigs these days?

Otherwise Roberson is out there (but who do we get rid of) and maybe Ariza if he's bought out.

Really I think our best hopes are internal.
CLV - has the length and instinct and started to bulk up, but he's a bit slow at times and gambles.
T.Prince - very stringy and not the highest IQ, but the tools are there.
TLC - I'm irrationally high on TLC and almost think he's our best bet.
Kurucs - people compared him to AK47 his rookie year with his length, defense and ability to play the 3 or 4, but he regressed last year.
and of course Durant... I don't want the onus on him right away, but if he's back to his old self, he's probably the best defender we have.

I agree with you. I think far too much has been made about us having to bring somebody in to be our "defensive wing."

We have several players who can fit that profile and become that guy on our team right now in the right system. That's what the goal has to be. Make our players better.

Prince to me is still young and has the size and length to be an excellent defender. TLC is another good option and CLV will have much less pressure on offense. I would also include Dinwddie due to his height and length.

I believe all of those guys can be good defenders in the right system with other veterans around them to help.

Why are we just giving up on that possibility and acting like trading 2 first rounders for Covington was the only answer? We saw what LeBron did to Covington in the playoffs anyway. Am I supposed to believe players on our roster can't replicate that?

I also think Jordan can go back to being an elite interior defender for the right matchups.

The problem with Prince and TLC is that they are both low IQ players who lack situational awareness especially off of the ball defensively.

Jordan took half a season to remotely even look good. If Allen doesn't outplay him this season i will be shocked.

I just don't see how those are things that can't be improved with the right coach and system. I've seen many players go from bad to good defensively.

These guys have the physical tools.

[ecuhus1981]

Another trade from Houston, Russell for Wall/1st. I say good for the Rockets, but maybe Washington knows something Houston doesn't about John's health.

Does this portend another trade for us???

[Hello Brooklyn]

Another trade from Houston, Russell for Wall/1st. I say good for the Rockets, but maybe Washington knows something Houston doesn't about John's health.

Does this portend another trade for us???

Seems clear Houston doesn't wanna trade Harden.

I think they're gonna try to play out the season with Wall-Harden-Cousins.

Maybe after it all crashes and burns we can trade for him next off season. He will have much less value on an expiring deal.

[TheNetsFan]

Another trade from Houston, Russell for Wall/1st. I say good for the Rockets, but maybe Washington knows something Houston doesn't about John's health.

Does this portend another trade for us???

Seems clear Houston doesn't wanna trade Harden.

I think they're gonna try to play out the season with Wall-Harden-Cousins.

Maybe after it all crashes and burns we can trade for him next off season. He will have much less value on an expiring deal.

I think it's more likely the Rockets struggle and trade Harden mid season.

[ecuhus1981]

Another trade from Houston, Russell for Wall/1st. I say good for the Rockets, but maybe Washington knows something Houston doesn't about John's health.

Does this portend another trade for us???

Seems clear Houston doesn't wanna trade Harden.

I think they're gonna try to play out the season with Wall-Harden-Cousins.

Maybe after it all crashes and burns we can trade for him next off season. He will have much less value on an expiring deal.

I can't imagine the Rockets actually expect this to impress Harden.

I think Fertitta looks at this as an opportunity to save upwards of $30mil per season, if Wall has another injury. Their owner is as broke as a joke.

In a similar vein, I'm actually surprised that Klay, Wiseman and the Minnesota 1st aren't already in Houston's possession, I figured James would be in Golden State by now. The Warriors probably insisted on Wiggins instead of Thompson, but I'm sure Houston didn't want him.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Another trade from Houston, Russell for Wall/1st. I say good for the Rockets, but maybe Washington knows something Houston doesn't about John's health.

Does this portend another trade for us???

Seems clear Houston doesn't wanna trade Harden.

I think they're gonna try to play out the season with Wall-Harden-Cousins.

Maybe after it all crashes and burns we can trade for him next off season. He will have much less value on an expiring deal.

I can't imagine the Rockets actually expect this to impress Harden.

I think Fertitta looks at this as an opportunity to save upwards of $30mil per season, if Wall has another injury. Their owner is as broke as a joke.

In a similar vein, I'm actually surprised that Klay, Wiseman and the Minnesota 1st aren't already in Houston's possession, I figured James would be in Golden State by now. The Warriors probably insisted on Wiggins instead of Thompson, but I'm sure Houston didn't want him.

Warriors would not trade Klay. And they would be so think everywhere else I don't think it really makes sense for them.

[MrDollarBills]

Not getting my hopes up.

[ecuhus1981]

Not getting my hopes up.

I appreciate your approach, brother.

[StepBackCrack]

Harden is getting traded before the deadline. I'm sure of it now. It's just a matter of time. GSW is my only big worry that they might steal Harden from the Nets. We will see what happens.

Either way, the Nets will be ready with or without this trade. Harden isn't a given but it's ok to dream a bit imo. It's not impossible. I will stay chilling after this news tho because the trade deadline is still far far away and Rockets might drag this messy situation until the last second.

[ProspectPark]

So apparently FAs signed this year can be traded started December 8th which for us includes:

Harris
TJ (he can veto)
Chiozza
J.Green

I'm not sure if we can trade Shamet or B.Brown since they were in multi-player deals tho.

So current roster:

Irving / Dinwiddie / T.Johnson
LeVert / Shamet / Brown
Harris / TLC / Prince
Durant / Kurucs / J.Green
Jordan / Allen / Claxton

I am guessing J.Martin is waived and Chiozza and R.Perry are the 2-ways.

I still don't see who guards Giannis, Butler, Tatum in the East, LBJ, Leonard, George in the West.
Covington and Holiday are off the board.
So that leaves.. Gordon (who I still am a fan of), Oladipo, (but he's a risk with his injury and contract status.. plus can he guard 6'8" guys?). PJ Tucker maybe? Can he guard wings, or strictly bigs these days?

Otherwise Roberson is out there (but who do we get rid of) and maybe Ariza if he's bought out.

Really I think our best hopes are internal.
CLV - has the length and instinct and started to bulk up, but he's a bit slow at times and gambles.
T.Prince - very stringy and not the highest IQ, but the tools are there.
TLC - I'm irrationally high on TLC and almost think he's our best bet.
Kurucs - people compared him to AK47 his rookie year with his length, defense and ability to play the 3 or 4, but he regressed last year.
and of course Durant... I don't want the onus on him right away, but if he's back to his old self, he's probably the best defender we have.

I agree with you. I think far too much has been made about us having to bring somebody in to be our "defensive wing."

We have several players who can fit that profile and become that guy on our team right now in the right system. That's what the goal has to be. Make our players better.

Prince to me is still young and has the size and length to be an excellent defender. TLC is another good option and CLV will have much less pressure on offense. I would also include Dinwddie due to his height and length.

I believe all of those guys can be good defenders in the right system with other veterans around them to help.

Why are we just giving up on that possibility and acting like trading 2 first rounders for Covington was the only answer? We saw what LeBron did to Covington in the playoffs anyway. Am I supposed to believe players on our roster can't replicate that?

I also think Jordan can go back to being an elite interior defender for the right matchups.

The problem with Prince and TLC is that they are both low IQ players who lack situational awareness especially off of the ball defensively.

Jordan took half a season to remotely even look good. If Allen doesn't outplay him this season i will be shocked.

I think older players, especially bigs like DJ, use the regular season to play themselves into shape. I don’t think it’s realistic to expect a 300 pound human being to go hard in October and still have something left in May and June.

[DarkXaero]

I always felt Westbrook trade had to happen first before any Harden trade from Houston's end, so I take this as a positive sign.

[Papi_swav]

I'm surprised Houston actually got a 1st out of this, not sure of the protections tho. but my first instinct is that they are blowing it up. I can't see Harden staying there much long. Unless Christian Wood becomes a 20/10 player (which is kinda possible) then I can see Harden throwing games away.

[MrDollarBills]

Not getting my hopes up.

I appreciate your approach, brother.

i'm actually fine with what we have now. we have depth at every position. This is one of the best teams in the league right now in my opinion.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm surprised Houston actually got a 1st out of this, not sure of the protections tho. but my first instinct is that they are blowing it up. I can't see Harden staying there much long. Unless Christian Wood becomes a 20/10 player (which is kinda possible) then I can see Harden throwing games away.

Wood is a solid player and Detroit looks crazy for letting him go.

However I doubt Harden gives a rats ass about him. He made his intentions clear.

either the Rockets' broke ass owner concedes that he's out of his depth, or we roll with what we have. I think we are fine either way.

[haosmoove]

I'm surprised Houston actually got a 1st out of this, not sure of the protections tho. but my first instinct is that they are blowing it up. I can't see Harden staying there much long. Unless Christian Wood becomes a 20/10 player (which is kinda possible) then I can see Harden throwing games away.

Wood is a solid player and Detroit looks crazy for letting him go.

However I doubt Harden gives a rats ass about him. He made his intentions clear.

either the Rockets' broke ass owner concedes that he's out of his depth, or we roll with what we have. I think we are fine either way.

Most likely because Detroit had front row seat in evaluating Wood's talent and they didn't believe he's worth it. In the last 21 games where Wood was "unleashed", the team won 3 of 21 games. Heck, if you give these minutes to Boban, he would average 25/15, and the team would win 1 of 21. Wood is in the league 5 years and he's on his 6th team. It is telling that 5 franchises had already given up on him.

[Papi_swav]

I'm surprised Houston actually got a 1st out of this, not sure of the protections tho. but my first instinct is that they are blowing it up. I can't see Harden staying there much long. Unless Christian Wood becomes a 20/10 player (which is kinda possible) then I can see Harden throwing games away.

Wood is a solid player and Detroit looks crazy for letting him go.

However I doubt Harden gives a rats ass about him. He made his intentions clear.

either the Rockets' broke ass owner concedes that he's out of his depth, or we roll with what we have. I think we are fine either way.

Most likely because Detroit had front row seat in evaluating Wood's talent and they didn't believe he's worth it. In the last 21 games where Wood was "unleashed", the team won 3 of 21 games. Heck, if you give these minutes to Boban, he would average 25/15, and the team would win 1 of 21. Wood is in the league 5 years and he's on his 6th team. It is telling that 5 franchises had already given up on him.

lol come on man u can't blame all that on Woods, the Pistons is just horrible. I mean it's clear Wood isn't a top player but he is pretty good and he kind of pieced it all together last season. If that's the case you should also blame Derrick Rose and Blake Griffin etc.. He's not the only one on that team. He put up some good numbers on a bad team because he had to, he took advantage of the opportunity, hats off to him. But Wood is a legit player.

[Paradise]

So, Westbrook makes his Wizards debut vs KD’s return on Dec 13th.

That first preseason game will be must watch TV.

[MrDollarBills]

I'm surprised Houston actually got a 1st out of this, not sure of the protections tho. but my first instinct is that they are blowing it up. I can't see Harden staying there much long. Unless Christian Wood becomes a 20/10 player (which is kinda possible) then I can see Harden throwing games away.

Westbrook is still a top 15 player, the fact that Washington was able to dump Wall's albatross contract and get the better player is a miracle in itself.