Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[Hello Brooklyn]

Russ not being top 15 player is a crazy talk Papi lol. He's top ten as of right now for sure. Player being able to carry a team into PO almost by himself alone puts him into that conversation. He's game not being build for PO is definitely thing that keeps him being elite. Him not being able to shoot will keep him from being top 50 player, other than that he's a freak of the nature.

Giannis
Lebron
Harden
Steph
Dame ( waved bye bye to him AND Paul George)
AD
Kawhi
Butler
KD
Kyrie
Tatum
Embiid
Jokic
Beal
Luka
PG13
Towns
Mitchell (took Westbrook out in the 1st round as a rookie, outplayed Westbrook by a mile)
Gobert
Klay
These are all the players I will take over him just off the top of my head. I might even put Jamal Murray over him

Westbrook is overrated. Great athlete and regular season player but he can barely win a game in the post season. He almost cost the Rockets a first round exit. He couldn't do anything with Harden( a top5 player) and he got knocked out the 1st round with PG13 who is another top player. He also had Adams there. He's a stat padder. He also ran KD out of OKC. And now he's over 30 .

Biid, Kyrie and Klay have no business in top 15 conversion. How many games they logged in past few years? Yeah right and thats not counting them limping around another half of those games.
KAT and Beal can't even get their teams to PO let alone being better than Russ. Gobert? I'll take that as a joke. You also think Steph is going to remain healthy? I sure don't so there goes another one. Butler and Tatum? When they'll get MVP and set records come see me. PG13? C'mon now he was second fiddle to Russ, guy had to hype him up to get max out of him and now you have players talking behind his back in LA.
You can hate Russ game all you want but the fact he's top ten player is a fact.
PS KD coming out from one of the worst type injury that destroyed a lot of carriers, he got a lot to prove whether we like it or not.

You seriously trying to argue Westbrook is better than Kyrie?

Westbrick is a ball hog, whose highly inefficient and loses everywhere he goes. I wouldn't have in my top 15 either.

And its not like Westbrook has been the epitome of health either. He's always getting hurt and limping around too.

The only reason I like it for Wizards is because John Wall is even worse.

[Hello Brooklyn]

You guys are getting this all wrong. This is not overpay, not even close. As a matter of fact, giving up all of the Nets' tradable assets besides KD/Kyrie is a massive underpay.

This means that if Houston wants to hold Harden for a season and trade him next off season, Harden's price tag would come down but he will still be worth all of Nets' tradable assets.

I'm not giving up five first round picks period. Not worth it when we already have a Championship level team.

This is James Harden we are talking about. Not only that he will put us as the heavy favorite to win, he also shields us from non-competing in case of injury to one of KD/Kyrie. Our chance to win will go from like 15% to 70%

The five first round picks become three if we finish better than Rockets, which is highly likely. Two of the three remaining picks will be in that 26-30 range, they aren't worth much. Every year there are picks in that range or a little lower available for cash if we really want to pick.

Who cares?

I'd like Harden, but not if it severely hampers our entire future. We basically can't trade anymore more picks and if Harden leaves after next year were toast.

Not to mention it could not work out and all 3 could leave in a couple of years. Now were stuck with no picks for a long time.

There will be other stars who want out in the near future. Harden is a luxury not a necessity.

[GTR11]

Giannis
Lebron
Harden
Steph
Dame ( waved bye bye to him AND Paul George)
AD
Kawhi
Butler
KD
Kyrie
Tatum
Embiid
Jokic
Beal
Luka
PG13
Towns
Mitchell (took Westbrook out in the 1st round as a rookie, outplayed Westbrook by a mile)
Gobert
Klay
These are all the players I will take over him just off the top of my head. I might even put Jamal Murray over him

Westbrook is overrated. Great athlete and regular season player but he can barely win a game in the post season. He almost cost the Rockets a first round exit. He couldn't do anything with Harden( a top5 player) and he got knocked out the 1st round with PG13 who is another top player. He also had Adams there. He's a stat padder. He also ran KD out of OKC. And now he's over 30 .

Biid, Kyrie and Klay have no business in top 15 conversion. How many games they logged in past few years? Yeah right and thats not counting them limping around another half of those games.
KAT and Beal can't even get their teams to PO let alone being better than Russ. Gobert? I'll take that as a joke. You also think Steph is going to remain healthy? I sure don't so there goes another one. Butler and Tatum? When they'll get MVP and set records come see me. PG13? C'mon now he was second fiddle to Russ, guy had to hype him up to get max out of him and now you have players talking behind his back in LA.
You can hate Russ game all you want but the fact he's top ten player is a fact.
PS KD coming out from one of the worst type injury that destroyed a lot of carriers, he got a lot to prove whether we like it or not.

You seriously trying to argue Westbrook is better than Kyrie?

Westbrick is a ball hog, whose highly inefficient and loses everywhere he goes. I wouldn't have in my top 15 either.

And its not like Westbrook has been the epitome of health either. He's always getting hurt and limping around too.

The only reason I like it for Wizards is because John Wall is even worse.

Best ability is availability no matter where you employed. When Kyrie will show me better attendance you welcome to bring it up anytime. Until than Russ is better.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Biid, Kyrie and Klay have no business in top 15 conversion. How many games they logged in past few years? Yeah right and thats not counting them limping around another half of those games.
KAT and Beal can't even get their teams to PO let alone being better than Russ. Gobert? I'll take that as a joke. You also think Steph is going to remain healthy? I sure don't so there goes another one. Butler and Tatum? When they'll get MVP and set records come see me. PG13? C'mon now he was second fiddle to Russ, guy had to hype him up to get max out of him and now you have players talking behind his back in LA.
You can hate Russ game all you want but the fact he's top ten player is a fact.
PS KD coming out from one of the worst type injury that destroyed a lot of carriers, he got a lot to prove whether we like it or not.

You seriously trying to argue Westbrook is better than Kyrie?

Westbrick is a ball hog, whose highly inefficient and loses everywhere he goes. I wouldn't have in my top 15 either.

And its not like Westbrook has been the epitome of health either. He's always getting hurt and limping around too.

The only reason I like it for Wizards is because John Wall is even worse.

Best ability is availability no matter where you employed. When Kyrie will show me better attendance you welcome to bring it up anytime. Until than Russ is better.

Kyrie was hurt last year but played basically the whole season the year prior. And hes been through multiple Finals runs.

Westbrick was hurt a lot of last season too. He was awful in the playoffs cause of his injury.

I'd rather have a more injured elite PG than an overrated chucker any day. Man spends all day shooting 3s and shoots 25% from 3 point range

[haosmoove]

I'm not giving up five first round picks period. Not worth it when we already have a Championship level team.

This is James Harden we are talking about. Not only that he will put us as the heavy favorite to win, he also shields us from non-competing in case of injury to one of KD/Kyrie. Our chance to win will go from like 15% to 70%

The five first round picks become three if we finish better than Rockets, which is highly likely. Two of the three remaining picks will be in that 26-30 range, they aren't worth much. Every year there are picks in that range or a little lower available for cash if we really want to pick.

Who cares?

I'd like Harden, but not if it severely hampers our entire future. We basically can't trade anymore more picks and if Harden leaves after next year were toast.

Not to mention it could not work out and all 3 could leave in a couple of years. Now were stuck with no picks for a long time.

There will be other stars who want out in the near future. Harden is a luxury not a necessity.

This is the chance you have to take to build a dynasty. When you stack MVP/all star candidates on top of each other, talent wins out more often than not.

To me, trying to build a franchise with draft picks is a riskier proposition. First, it's a random chance to get a top 3 pick. Outside of top 3 pick, your chance to land a player at Harden/KD's level is less than 1 in a 100.

I don't understand your fascination with keeping our own draft picks. These picks may become a Harden, but chances are so low. If the real deal is out there to be had for sure, why should we revert to opening mystery boxes for a chance to get the real deal?

[GTR11]

You seriously trying to argue Westbrook is better than Kyrie?

Westbrick is a ball hog, whose highly inefficient and loses everywhere he goes. I wouldn't have in my top 15 either.

And its not like Westbrook has been the epitome of health either. He's always getting hurt and limping around too.

The only reason I like it for Wizards is because John Wall is even worse.

Best ability is availability no matter where you employed. When Kyrie will show me better attendance you welcome to bring it up anytime. Until than Russ is better.

Kyrie was hurt last year but played basically the whole season the year prior. And hes been through multiple Finals runs.

Westbrick was hurt a lot of last season too. He was awful in the playoffs cause of his injury.

I'd rather have a more injured elite PG than an overrated chucker any day. Man spends all day shooting 3s and shoots 25% from 3 point range

Your perception has nothing to do with how players get rated. I can care less what Russ does he's not a Nets player. I like Kyrie more as well, however that doesn't change the fact Russ has achieved much more on individual level, this makes him higher seed when it comes to evaluation.
Guys if you'd say Kyrie is better player when it comes to achieving final goal than Russ, I would not argue with that. Saying Kyrie is better individual player is plain wrong. I can argue that LBJ would've won with Russ too just because he's that great, does it make it true, hell no. Celtics has argument that Kyrie is not winning player because they had better success without him. Does it make it true, no. Devil is always hidden in details and you have to account everything whether you like it or not. Nobody ever thought Dirk would win chip, look up how silly they look now.

[GTR11]

Read on Twitter

?s=20
This is not the first time I hear our players and stuff say KD and Kyrie willing to listen to criticism. Make me think they are on a mission right now.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Best ability is availability no matter where you employed. When Kyrie will show me better attendance you welcome to bring it up anytime. Until than Russ is better.

Kyrie was hurt last year but played basically the whole season the year prior. And hes been through multiple Finals runs.

Westbrick was hurt a lot of last season too. He was awful in the playoffs cause of his injury.

I'd rather have a more injured elite PG than an overrated chucker any day. Man spends all day shooting 3s and shoots 25% from 3 point range

Your perception has nothing to do with how players get rated. I can care less what Russ does he's not a Nets player. I like Kyrie more as well, however that doesn't change the fact Russ has achieved much more on individual level, this makes him higher seed when it comes to evaluation.
Guys if you'd say Kyrie is better player when it comes to achieving final goal than Russ, I would not argue with that. Saying Kyrie is better individual player is plain wrong. I can argue that LBJ would've won with Russ too just because he's that great, does it make it true, hell no. Celtics has argument that Kyrie is not winning player because they had better success without him. Does it make it true, no. Devil is always hidden in details and you have to account everything whether you like it or not. Nobody ever thought Dirk would win chip, look up how silly they look now.

Westbrook is not a winning basketball player. Hes highly inefficient and puts up big stats on mediocre teams.

Even in Boston, Kyrie got his team to back to back 50 win seasons. And then got them to the 2nd round. Russ has never had that type of success as the leader of a team.

As a #2, Russ never won a Championship. Kyrie did.

Russ's sole accomplishment was a nonsense MVP, that many in the media joke about. He didn't deserve it and most people are starting to acknowledge that now.

Since then he flamed out in the First round twice with a better team, and barely skated by the Thunder w/ Harden .

If you put Russ on that 2016 team vs the Warriors they do not win. Russ would have been chucking the ball and making stupid plays. No way does he ever hit the game winning 3 in Steph's face. It's not like LeBron carried Kyrie. He needed him to come back from 3-1 to play at an all time level. Something Russ has never done in the playoffs.

[MrDollarBills]

Read on Twitter

?s=20
If only Caris can stay healthy he's that x factor that'll make difference. Some might not agree with me with me but we already seen he got all star game as long as he's healthy.

I want to see him playing aggressive defense and moving without the ball for catch and cut opportunities.

[MrDollarBills]

Read on Twitter

?s=20
If only Caris can stay healthy he's that x factor that'll make difference. Some might not agree with me with me but we already seen he got all star game as long as he's healthy.

Preseason pillow talk, I love it!

I've mentioned before, I was confused and disappointed by how both Taurean and Caris approached last season. They should have been fine- tuning their spot-up shooting and stingy defense, so that they would mesh with the superstar duo this year. Instead, they played like they didn't need to play D, and wanted to pound the ball forever.

If either or both of them have turned over a new leaf, and become 3&D stalwarts, we wouldn't need anything else. From Levert's mouth to God's ear...

They literally have no choice. They will need to play defense and be efficient off the ball or the won't play.

[MrDollarBills]

You don't give up 3+ picks for 30+ players period, its a crazy talk.
Our role players alone can get us 7th seed while Din and Caris missing games.
Time working against Houston not the other way around lol. Marks made it clear, we like our team as it is and think we best one in EC. Every passing day Hardens value takes a nose dive and I'm here to witness that dumpster fire.

No reason to do anything right now. The more i look at this roster the more I think this is one of the best clubs in the league in both conferences. Elite depth, with two highly efficient superstars in KD and Kyrie. If they maintain health, we will be a brutal opponent.

When we run those line ups where KD is at the 5, the hard rain will start pouring.

[ecuhus1981]

I feel comfortable that we will stick with this roster through Opening Night. I have questions defensively, hopefully the combined forces of Ime and Jacque can steel or resolve on that end.

Kyrie has GOT to return to trying on that end, full season. He's still my #1, but the way dozens of average PG's were torching him left our whole defense reactive and frantic.

Joe might check 4's some nights, but whomever is his primary assignment, he has to stay home (don't bite on pump fakes and feints), funnel to our bigs and play within his abilities.

Durant will have a longer leash than anyone defensively, for me. If he's a turnstile but he's healthy and efficient on offense, I'm happy. As the season progresses, we'll hope to see some of the Durantulaic (?) dominance.

The answer at the 5 *should* be dispassionate and solely based on the player who gives us the best shot of winning. That's Jarrett. We don't have the margin for error to sandbag ourselves with a less-than-optimal starting lineup, simply due to FoK favors. I am confident that Nash will run a meritocracy. Allen must continue to grow as the vocal leader on D, and set the tone with physicality rather than succumbing to it.

For the 5th starter, Prince profiles as the best option. All due respect, he has to grow between the ears as a team defender. His 1v1 metrics are phenomenal, but he is prone to ball-watching and failing to help the helper.

Spencer and Caris have the potential to grow as defenders, but I want them focused on playing efficiently together, and eviscerating the opponent's bench.

[DarkXaero]

If we don't get Harden somehow AFTER he has requested a trade specifically to us, it'll be a disappointment for me. No other way to spin it for me, and I realize that getting Harden through trade will be an incredibly difficult task with the assets we have. But this is such a rare opportunity do something special, and increase our chances of winning a title tremendously, that we can't pass up the opportunity. It would be like Warriors with KD type of situation again, maybe not as dominant, but on the same level of being too good to beat.

[ecuhus1981]

If we don't get Harden somehow AFTER he has requested a trade specifically to us, it'll be a disappointment for me. No other way to spin it for me, and I realize that getting Harden through trade will be an incredibly difficult task with the assets we have. But this is such a rare opportunity do something special, and increase our chances of winning a title tremendously, that we can't pass up the opportunity. It would be like Warriors with KD type of situation again, maybe not as dominant, but on the same level of being too good to beat.

I get it. I don't think we said, "no thanks", I'll bet Marks is pursuing it full force. It sounds like we've offered up to our comfort zone (CLV, TP, SD, JA, 3 1sts and 2 pick swaps), and Houston has us in a holding pattern while they search for other offers. The Rockets probably wasn't us to enlist a 3rd team, and route Shamet, Brown, Kurucs, Claxton and others to them in order to send more 1sts to HOU. I feel that's overkill, even for an MVP candidate. That's the point of diminishing returns, and it had less to do with those prospects, and more to do with the disruption of a complete overhaul of half of your roster. Stability is the currency of this season, and we have it.

[StepBackCrack]

If we don't get Harden somehow AFTER he has requested a trade specifically to us, it'll be a disappointment for me. No other way to spin it for me, and I realize that getting Harden through trade will be an incredibly difficult task with the assets we have. But this is such a rare opportunity do something special, and increase our chances of winning a title tremendously, that we can't pass up the opportunity. It would be like Warriors with KD type of situation again, maybe not as dominant, but on the same level of being too good to beat.

I agree that Nets should try their best to get Harden but I also can't blame the board feeling confident in the current team which does look quite promising to be fair outside of the lack of another wing defender (not sure Prince can be any good). Personally, I will give whatever needed for Harden. He will be more than worth it imo. But other teams simply have better offers. If they offer their young stars, then they get him probably. Nets can't do anything about that sadly. But they should give whatever needed imo. Giving a joke offer would be a disappointing look for me.

In any case, I think Nets fans should feel good either way. This team can still win it all. Although lack of great wing defense can be a problem for them unless Prince improve and Levert improve defensively as well. We will see.

[StepBackCrack]

I'm sure Nets fans would be disappointed if this team doesn't win a title but in reality, this team isn't really "title or bust" type of team. If Harden somehow comes, yeah sure but current team is just one of the main contenders. Lakers I think are the faves to win again and rightly so. Maybe the Clippers will be better than the Nets as well. You never know. And GSW will be very good if Harden joins them. So overall, I can't say that the Nets will be the best team next season. And there is the health concern with our superstars. I'm excited for this team nonetheless. We will worry about playoffs later. Just need RS to start.

[Prokorov]

I'm not giving up five first round picks period. Not worth it when we already have a Championship level team.

This is James Harden we are talking about. Not only that he will put us as the heavy favorite to win, he also shields us from non-competing in case of injury to one of KD/Kyrie. Our chance to win will go from like 15% to 70%

The five first round picks become three if we finish better than Rockets, which is highly likely. Two of the three remaining picks will be in that 26-30 range, they aren't worth much. Every year there are picks in that range or a little lower available for cash if we really want to pick.

Who cares?

I'd like Harden, but not if it severely hampers our entire future. We basically can't trade anymore more picks and if Harden leaves after next year were toast.

Not to mention it could not work out and all 3 could leave in a couple of years. Now were stuck with no picks for a long time.

There will be other stars who want out in the near future. Harden is a luxury not a necessity.

We wouldnt be stuck with "no picks" at most we would miss 3 picks. and as we've seen we are now a destination and can build in free agency.

the only way to mortgage our future is to pass on opportunities like harden. Levert, allem, dinwiddie. these guys do nothing for our future unless we want a 4 year treadmill.

[StepBackCrack]

Initially, as a KD fan, part of me didn't want Harden to come to the Nets because you guys all know the bull KD had to deal with GSW but this Nets experience will be WAY different even if Harden comes. This team is literally starting from the scratch but I'm sure you will get some idiots hating on KD and Kyrie and maybe hate the Nets as whole if Harden actually joins. It's all stupid of course. Each team should always strive to improve their roster at the end of the day. I'm glad Harden doesn't care about other people's opinions of him and still wants the Nets. I would do what's best for me as well if I were him. I would hate wasting the rest of my prime years not competing for real.

[Papi_swav]

Russ not being top 15 player is a crazy talk Papi lol. He's top ten as of right now for sure. Player being able to carry a team into PO almost by himself alone puts him into that conversation. He's game not being build for PO is definitely thing that keeps him being elite. Him not being able to shoot will keep him from being top 50 player, other than that he's a freak of the nature.

Giannis
Lebron
Harden
Steph
Dame ( waved bye bye to him AND Paul George)
AD
Kawhi
Butler
KD
Kyrie
Tatum
Embiid
Jokic
Beal
Luka
PG13
Towns
Mitchell (took Westbrook out in the 1st round as a rookie, outplayed Westbrook by a mile)
Gobert
Klay
These are all the players I will take over him just off the top of my head. I might even put Jamal Murray over him

Westbrook is overrated. Great athlete and regular season player but he can barely win a game in the post season. He almost cost the Rockets a first round exit. He couldn't do anything with Harden( a top5 player) and he got knocked out the 1st round with PG13 who is another top player. He also had Adams there. He's a stat padder. He also ran KD out of OKC. And now he's over 30 .

Biid, Kyrie and Klay have no business in top 15 conversion. How many games they logged in past few years? Yeah right and thats not counting them limping around another half of those games.
KAT and Beal can't even get their teams to PO let alone being better than Russ. Gobert? I'll take that as a joke. You also think Steph is going to remain healthy? I sure don't so there goes another one. Butler and Tatum? When they'll get MVP and set records come see me. PG13? C'mon now he was second fiddle to Russ, guy had to hype him up to get max out of him and now you have players talking behind his back in LA.
You can hate Russ game all you want but the fact he's top ten player is a fact.
PS KD coming out from one of the worst type injury that destroyed a lot of carriers, he got a lot to prove whether we like it or not.

Whoa you're way overrating Westbrook. Biid, Kyrie and Klay has done soooo much more in the playoffs than Westbrook has (after KD) and it's not even close.

Westbrook has had decent teams since KD left, dont act like he did everything himself. He had Oladipo and Sabonis, and look how well they are playing in Indiana, this is the point I'm trying to make, Westbrook is a chucker and stat padder and can't play with other guys. He also had Steven Adams AND Paul George and still couldn't get out the first round. Give Kyrie or anybody else those type of players on their team and see how well they do. He almost got bounced out the first round against his former team AND he had Harden on his team as well, that's kind of embarrassing. Have u not read the latest report? Harden even preferred to play with John Wall over Westbrook, and thats one of his best buddies. That says a whole lot.

Westbrook is going to run Beal out of his own team lol that's what he does, its a trend going on haven't u got the memo yet? I would definitely take KAT, Beal and Gobert over Westbrick, at least they wouldn't choke in the playoffs. And Beal has played in several playoffs before. Gobert is a DPOY candidate every single year, heck yea I'm taking him over westbrick , by a landslide.

You really wouldn't take Steph over Westbrook ? lmaooo that tells me all I need to know about your basketball knowledge. Don't forget Westbrook was injured this year as well and he's over 30 . You must have forgotten PG13 LED his own team in Indiana to a tough ECF against the HEAT big 3. PG13 has already surpassed Westbrook. But don't forget a rookie Donavon Mitchell outplayed Westbrook and swept him out the 1st round. Dame Lillard waved bye bye to him.

Butler literally led a whole team to the finals recently , what are you smoking bro? this is a team game not who has the best stats at seasons ends. I dont understand how u can underestimate the value of being good in the playoffs, thats the most important time for a player to show up. Tatum also led his team to the ECF, way farther than Westbrook ever done as as a leader, and he's still young. I guarantee 99.8% of fans will choose Tatum over Westbrook. Go ask around, I dare you.

He is definitely not a top 10 player and that's the real fact because their is information to prove he is not. Where is your proof he's a top 10 player. GO ahead and find any statistics you won't to prove that he is . All those triple double didn't amount to nothing but a 1st round exit. When Westbrook LEADS a team out the first round then come see me.

[DarkXaero]

If we don't get Harden somehow AFTER he has requested a trade specifically to us, it'll be a disappointment for me. No other way to spin it for me, and I realize that getting Harden through trade will be an incredibly difficult task with the assets we have. But this is such a rare opportunity do something special, and increase our chances of winning a title tremendously, that we can't pass up the opportunity. It would be like Warriors with KD type of situation again, maybe not as dominant, but on the same level of being too good to beat.

I get it. I don't think we said, "no thanks", I'll bet Marks is pursuing it full force. It sounds like we've offered up to our comfort zone (CLV, TP, SD, JA, 3 1sts and 2 pick swaps), and Houston has us in a holding pattern while they search for other offers. The Rockets probably wasn't us to enlist a 3rd team, and route Shamet, Brown, Kurucs, Claxton and others to them in order to send more 1sts to HOU. I feel that's overkill, even for an MVP candidate. That's the point of diminishing returns, and it had less to do with those prospects, and more to do with the disruption of a complete overhaul of half of your roster. Stability is the currency of this season, and we have it.

Oh I understand that we haven't moved on at all, and the pursuit from our end will continue until it's impossible. I also understand why Marks is reluctant to offer much atm, it would be stupidity to put your best offer forward right away regardless. But I'm just saying that I want the end result for Harden to a Net, and if it doesn't happen, it'll be a big disappointment.