Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[Prokorov]

30 year old Levert and Allen could be All Stars. What are you talking about?

incredibly unlikely Levert is ever an allstar.

Unlikely Allen is as well unless they birng back the C position to the allstar roster

Of course Harden is far better. But giving up all picks for the forseeable future and all our young assets hamstrings us.

I would give up 3 picks and 2 pick swaps max plus CLV/Allen/Dinwiddie. Anything more than that is just stupid.

Lol LeBron has had role players every time hes won. We already have 2 stars.

The idea Lebron won because of role players, and not that he was surrounded by hall of famers is laughable

[therealbig3]

Every championship team needs both star power and role players.

It’s harder to get the right star power though. I was against it initially, but that was more of an emotional thing. I love Allen, I don’t mind Levert, and Dinwiddie to me is one of the most underrated players in the league...but it’s James Harden. Gotta make that move, no matter what it costs in terms of picks. Chances are those picks don’t amount to anything close to James Harden.

[Hello Brooklyn]

30 year old Levert and Allen could be All Stars. What are you talking about?

incredibly unlikely Levert is ever an allstar.

Unlikely Allen is as well unless they birng back the C position to the allstar roster

Of course Harden is far better. But giving up all picks for the forseeable future and all our young assets hamstrings us.

I would give up 3 picks and 2 pick swaps max plus CLV/Allen/Dinwiddie. Anything more than that is just stupid.

Lol LeBron has had role players every time hes won. We already have 2 stars.

The idea Lebron won because of role players, and not that he was surrounded by hall of famers is laughable

When did I ever say he won "because of role players." I said you need role players too.

Which everyone seems to acknowledge except for you apparently.

[ProspectPark]

30 year old Levert and Allen could be All Stars. What are you talking about?

incredibly unlikely Levert is ever an allstar.

Unlikely Allen is as well unless they birng back the C position to the allstar roster

Of course Harden is far better. But giving up all picks for the forseeable future and all our young assets hamstrings us.

I would give up 3 picks and 2 pick swaps max plus CLV/Allen/Dinwiddie. Anything more than that is just stupid.

Lol LeBron has had role players every time hes won. We already have 2 stars.

The idea Lebron won because of role players, and not that he was surrounded by hall of famers is laughable

When did I ever say he won "because of role players." I said you need role players too.

Which everyone seems to acknowledge except for you apparently.

Casuals will never appreciate how valuable role players like Shane Battier or Udonis Haslem were to those Heat teams. Battier could go from fronting KG and denying him the ball to protecting the rim by taking a charge on a Paul Pierce layup not only preventing the layup but also getting Pierce in foul trouble.

All championship teams had quality role players. 2011 Mavs don’t win without old J. Kidd, JET, and Tyson Chandler. Even Shaq and Kobe heavily relied on Horry, Fox, Fisher. The last Raptors championship doesn’t happen without timely plays from FVV, or Ibaka, or Gasol.

The interesting part is the same guy who thinks role players are not important and how we shouldn’t aim to be a treadmill team, wanted us to trade all our assets and picks for Jrue Holiday, who literally spent his entire career being a role player on a treadmill team lol.

[ecuhus1981]

We don't have a monopoly on championship-caliber role players. If we have to trade some role players to get Harden, we can follow up by signing some more role players. They don't have to be as talented as the ones we traded, tomato cans will look great as long as they defend and hit a corner 3.

When those waiver wire / G League bums go in for ring fittings, you know what people will call them? Championship-caliber role players.

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[StepBackCrack]

Every championship team needs both star power and role players.

It’s harder to get the right star power though. I was against it initially, but that was more of an emotional thing. I love Allen, I don’t mind Levert, and Dinwiddie to me is one of the most underrated players in the league...but it’s James Harden. Gotta make that move, no matter what it costs in terms of picks. Chances are those picks don’t amount to anything close to James Harden.

Yup. That perfectly sums it up. This isn't Paul George. This isn't Beal. James Harden is KD/Curry/LBJ/Kawhi tier of a player in the NBA. A true superstar. A very high IQ player. People thinking he wouldn't be able to adapt to a new contender are very very deluded. I always cringe when I see GSW fans saying they wouldn't want Harden because he would "ruin" their system lol. It's like complaining about KD having the ball in his hands while he was in GSW. He literally was unstoppable. These mega talented players with high IQ will always thrive playing in a talented smart team. Harden would thrive on the Nets.

[StepBackCrack]

Have a feeling Allen will improve next season. He will look great with KD out there.

[haosmoove]

When we look at trades we should put more weight on the most likely outcome and not worst case. IMO the most likely case is we win with Harden and the picks we gave up are late picks and swaps don't convey. Yes you need role players to win, but they are replaceable. That's why we acquired BBJr, Shamet, etc and we still retained Harris, TLC, Johnson.

If history tells us anything, having MVP candidates stacking on the same team with a third superstar has never fail to win. It is absurd to me that some people are arguing against Harden trade based on what would happen in the worst case scenario. While there's nonzero chance that we may underperform and Harden leaves us without a team or picks, this is extremely unlikely to happen. Maybe because we just got through the dark ages from Billy King era and that's still fresh in our minds? We want to avoid total failure, even at the expense of not succeeding?

I hope Marks doesn't see this the same way as some of the people here. (Unlikely as he nor Tsai have the burden from the last regime) Harden is once in a generation talent and he would absolutely put us over the top. So when the chance presents itself to acquire Harden, Marks needs to strike fast and hard.

[drchaos]

It is possible that we make a couple minor trades to assemble slightly better pieces to seal the deal for Harden.

As our future draft picks are likely to be later in the draft we might want to use some of them to improve our assets.

[Paradise]

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[akhan786]

What do you all think about Lamarcus Aldridge? He fits Kyrie and KD better than Harden.

Aldridge has always left me wanting because he's talent is undeniable. But I feel like he'd flourish in his more natural role as a 3rd banana.

[ecuhus1981]

What do you all think about Lamarcus Aldridge? He fits Kyrie and KD better than Harden.

Aldridge has always left me wanting because he's talent is undeniable. But I feel like he'd flourish in his more natural role as a 3rd banana.

LMA is pretty much cooked, bruh. 5 years ago, he would have made sense next to Kyrie and Kevin. Now, he's a slow-footed big contract with not much impact on winning. San Antonio wouldn't want the deal we'd offer for him.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Aldridge wouldn't fit on this team at all w/ Jordan and Allen.

If we were to add anything it would be a defensive wing.

[Trader_Joe]

We need some sort of defender/enforcer next to KD, otherwise we're good. Prince doesn't have the personality or that high a BB IQ which is frustrating. Maybe he turns it some?

[vincecarter4pres]

Forget starters, forget depth, forget matchups, forget everything... Just think about... Who closes games?

KD, Kyrie, Beef Jerky are 3 givens. That leaves you with 2 spots to fill for the those final 5 minutes. Who on the roster is out there with them in tight games, or in the playoffs?

Can you really have both Spence and Caris out there with those 3? Will either of Allen or Jordan see the floor in the above circumstances?

And if not, do you really bench any of those guys for Brown, or Shamet, TJ, Cheese, or Rodi or Jeff Green? And which one do you bench?

That is another major reason to make a consolidation trade.

[StepBackCrack]

KD shouldn't be the Dray Green of the team. I think that's asking too much of him so Nets will need another defender/enforcer next to him to help for sure. Hopefully they get such a player before the trade deadline.

[Prokorov]

What do you all think about Lamarcus Aldridge? He fits Kyrie and KD better than Harden.

Aldridge has always left me wanting because he's talent is undeniable. But I feel like he'd flourish in his more natural role as a 3rd banana.

i dont see how he fits better then harden

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