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GTR11 · Post #321 » by **GTR11** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 12:05 am

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3pt_chucker · Post #322 » by **3pt_chucker** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 6:24 pm

If I'm Marks I'm looking to see swap one of Cam, Mills and Curry for a wing. IF all 3 are on the roster, that will be a huge problem IMO. That's one too many offense only, smaller guards who are not true PGs either.

Say the team brings Dragic back, then that leaves those 3 fighting for SG mins. Curry is the best option for that spot but it leaves the team's back court super undersized. Add in Bruce Brown and this makes this works (ex. Dragic, Curry, Brown). Way too small to match up with Boston, Milwaukee or Miami.

One idea would be to have Curry/Cam be used as backup PG, then it would be: Curry/Cam, Brown, WING, Kessler, Clax/Stretch 5. This is a drastically better bench 5 and makes the team way more flexible and complete. Can also stagger Ben to have a 1 star plus bench like the MVP Harden days: Ben, Curry, Bruce/Kess, WING, Clax/Stretch 5. That would destroy most teams and be able to compete against the best. Mix and Match for playoffs.

No way Marks doesn't see this.

MrDollarBills · Post #323 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Jun 9, 2022 8:06 pm

3pt_chucker wrote:If I'm Marks I'm looking to see swap one of Cam, Mills and Curry for a wing. IF all 3 are on the roster, that will be a huge problem IMO. That's one too many offense only, smaller guards who are not true PGs either.

Say the team brings Dragic back, then that leaves those 3 fighting for SG mins. Curry is the best option for that spot but it leaves the team's back court super undersized. Add in Bruce Brown and this makes this works (ex. Dragic, Curry, Brown). Way too small to match up with Boston, Milwaukee or Miami.

One idea would be to have Curry/Cam be used as backup PG, then it would be: Curry/Cam, Brown, WING, Kessler, Clax/Stretch 5. This is a drastically better bench 5 and makes the team way more flexible and complete. Can also stagger Ben to have a 1 star plus bench like the MVP Harden days: Ben, Curry, Bruce/Kess, WING, Clax/Stretch 5. That would destroy most teams and be able to compete against the best. Mix and Match for playoffs.

No way Marks doesn't see this.

We need actual wings at SG/SF. I like Seth, but he is a defensive liability at SG. Same with Cam and Patty.

We need size to make it out of the east. This midget basketball sh*t Marks has going on isn't cutting it.

GTR11 · Post #324 » by **GTR11** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 2:04 am

3pt_chucker wrote:If I'm Marks I'm looking to see swap one of Cam, Mills and Curry for a wing. IF all 3 are on the roster, that will be a huge problem IMO. That's one too many offense only, smaller guards who are not true PGs either.

Say the team brings Dragic back, then that leaves those 3 fighting for SG mins. Curry is the best option for that spot but it leaves the team's back court super undersized. Add in Bruce Brown and this makes this works (ex. Dragic, Curry, Brown). Way too small to match up with Boston, Milwaukee or Miami.

One idea would be to have Curry/Cam be used as backup PG, then it would be: Curry/Cam, Brown, WING, Kessler, Clax/Stretch 5. This is a drastically better bench 5 and makes the team way more flexible and complete. Can also stagger Ben to have a 1 star plus bench like the MVP Harden days: Ben, Curry, Bruce/Kess, WING, Clax/Stretch 5. That would destroy most teams and be able to compete against the best. Mix and Match for playoffs.

No way Marks doesn't see this.

Let's see:

Kyrie ( will be playing off ball with Ben ) - Curry - ?
Joe ( put him where he belongs SG ) - Cam - ?
Ben - Kess - DDJ
KD - ? - ?
? - ? - Sharpe

Got TPE, mMLE and vet min to work with.

Patty - with FA approaching I'm starting to doubt he will be back. I think he sees the picture and needs to get secured money before CBA.
Dragic - 50/50, he will have market. Plenty of teams will throw full MLE at him. He'll definitely look for money. Wont be upset if we give him TPE.
Brown - I think he'll get paid. We just don't have money.
Nic - brittle tweener who can't shoot with high energy. My mMLE candidate if market or trade won't produce much.

We got 4 spots to fill with starting C being most important. I don't want to even start guessing simply because we didn't even hire coaching stuff yet. As I said before, I'm not excited for the next season at all unless I see Steve Trash being fired. We keep talking about Saltics, but what they truly did is, hire a coach.

Gooner · Post #325 » by **Gooner** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 6:01 am

3pt_chucker wrote:If I'm Marks I'm looking to see swap one of Cam, Mills and Curry for a wing. IF all 3 are on the roster, that will be a huge problem IMO. That's one too many offense only, smaller guards who are not true PGs either.

Say the team brings Dragic back, then that leaves those 3 fighting for SG mins. Curry is the best option for that spot but it leaves the team's back court super undersized. Add in Bruce Brown and this makes this works (ex. Dragic, Curry, Brown). Way too small to match up with Boston, Milwaukee or Miami.

One idea would be to have Curry/Cam be used as backup PG, then it would be: Curry/Cam, Brown, WING, Kessler, Clax/Stretch 5. This is a drastically better bench 5 and makes the team way more flexible and complete. Can also stagger Ben to have a 1 star plus bench like the MVP Harden days: Ben, Curry, Bruce/Kess, WING, Clax/Stretch 5. That would destroy most teams and be able to compete against the best. Mix and Match for playoffs.

No way Marks doesn't see this.

They also might sign Mike James, so you definitely can't have him, Mills and Curry.

3pt_chucker · Post #326 » by **3pt_chucker** » Fri Jun 10, 2022 3:42 pm

GTR11 wrote:
3pt_chucker wrote:If I'm Marks I'm looking to see swap one of Cam, Mills and Curry for a wing. IF all 3 are on the roster, that will be a huge problem IMO. That's one too many offense only, smaller guards who are not true PGs either.

Say the team brings Dragic back, then that leaves those 3 fighting for SG mins. Curry is the best option for that spot but it leaves the team's back court super undersized. Add in Bruce Brown and this makes this works (ex. Dragic, Curry, Brown). Way too small to match up with Boston, Milwaukee or Miami.

One idea would be to have Curry/Cam be used as backup PG, then it would be: Curry/Cam, Brown, WING, Kessler, Clax/Stretch 5. This is a drastically better bench 5 and makes the team way more flexible and complete. Can also stagger Ben to have a 1 star plus bench like the MVP Harden days: Ben, Curry, Bruce/Kess, WING, Clax/Stretch 5. That would destroy most teams and be able to compete against the best. Mix and Match for playoffs.

No way Marks doesn't see this.

Let's see:

Kyrie ( will be playing off ball with Ben ) - Curry - ?
Joe ( put him where he belongs SG ) - Cam - ?
Ben - Kess - DDJ
KD - ? - ?
? - ? - Sharpe

Got TPE, mMLE and vet min to work with.

Patty - with FA approaching I'm starting to doubt he will be back. I think he sees the picture and needs to get secured money before CBA.
Dragic - 50/50, he will have market. Plenty of teams will throw full MLE at him. He'll definitely look for money. Wont be upset if we give him TPE.
Brown - I think he'll get paid. We just don't have money.
Nic - brittle tweener who can't shoot with high energy. My mMLE candidate if market or trade won't produce much.

We got 4 spots to fill with starting C being most important. I don't want to even start guessing simply because we didn't even hire coaching stuff yet. As I said before, I'm not excited for the next season at all unless I see Steve Trash being fired. We keep talking about Saltics, but what they truly did is, hire a coach.

I think Clax will be back no matter what because he will be a tradeable asset and as you allude to, his contract should be nice trade bait as well.

I like Bruce but he should really be a high energy/elite defensive SG but with the current roster he has to be an undersized SF/PF/C. While it can work against some teams, it's not ideal against bigger teams like MIL/Boston. I want him back but no need to break the bank.

Center/Big is def a huge priority. Given Clax's weaknesses you highlighted, we need a 5 than can spread the floor while not being a total liability defensively AND on the cheap. Tough find but Muscala, Hartenstein, Jalen Smith fit that bill IMO. Would love Ibaka but sadly he's washed. Maybe try to make a bigger move but I rather those assets be used on a legit WING.

Agree on Nash. He needs better coaching around him. Hopefully he can grow as a coach in the off season.

Priority IMO:
1) Versatile wing player(s) with size, switchability and can hit open shots. (Potential starter if KD/Harris/Ben is hurt)
2) Stretch 5 that plays solid D and hit 3's. (99% sure Clax will be back).
3) Backup PG/Give Curry or Cam PG reps. (Prefer Curry/Cam route as it will make team better defensively & more versatile)
4) Develop Kess into a legit role player. (needs to improve handles, 3's(spot up and off movement), finishing at the rim)
5) Develop DDJ especially if Bruce is gone. (basically needs to replicate Bruce's skillset, he has the tools and motor)
6) True Big that can get matchup specific mins and not cause problems. Maybe that can be Sharpe but a vet would be nice too.

Papi_swav · Post #327 » by **Papi_swav** » Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:00 pm

3pt_chucker wrote:If I'm Marks I'm looking to see swap one of Cam, Mills and Curry for a wing. IF all 3 are on the roster, that will be a huge problem IMO. That's one too many offense only, smaller guards who are not true PGs either.

Say the team brings Dragic back, then that leaves those 3 fighting for SG mins. Curry is the best option for that spot but it leaves the team's back court super undersized. Add in Bruce Brown and this makes this works (ex. Dragic, Curry, Brown). Way too small to match up with Boston, Milwaukee or Miami.

One idea would be to have Curry/Cam be used as backup PG, then it would be: Curry/Cam, Brown, WING, Kessler, Clax/Stretch 5. This is a drastically better bench 5 and makes the team way more flexible and complete. Can also stagger Ben to have a 1 star plus bench like the MVP Harden days: Ben, Curry, Bruce/Kess, WING, Clax/Stretch 5. That would destroy most teams and be able to compete against the best. Mix and Match for playoffs.

No way Marks doesn't see this.

I agree, we can't roll out Curry and Patty Mills again, they are both the same player. We need more 2 way players and a legit back up PG which neither of them are. Our problem since we've got KD is we don't have a good wing defender next to him.

For years I've been yelling for one, look how Tatum and Brown dominated KD. He can't do it all, not at this age. Ben Simmons will definitely help alot next to him and another year of Kessler Edwards will help but we still need maybe 2 more of those wing defenders. Just for when Simmons feels like he doesn't want to play and we can rest KD as well so he doesn't have to play 40 minutes a game for us to win.

I would keep Cam because he can drop buckets all over the floor, depending on who we can get for him etc.. Curry and Patty are mostly spot up shooters at this point.

MrDollarBills · Post #328 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sun Jun 12, 2022 12:11 pm

Papi_swav wrote:
3pt_chucker wrote:If I'm Marks I'm looking to see swap one of Cam, Mills and Curry for a wing. IF all 3 are on the roster, that will be a huge problem IMO. That's one too many offense only, smaller guards who are not true PGs either.

Say the team brings Dragic back, then that leaves those 3 fighting for SG mins. Curry is the best option for that spot but it leaves the team's back court super undersized. Add in Bruce Brown and this makes this works (ex. Dragic, Curry, Brown). Way too small to match up with Boston, Milwaukee or Miami.

One idea would be to have Curry/Cam be used as backup PG, then it would be: Curry/Cam, Brown, WING, Kessler, Clax/Stretch 5. This is a drastically better bench 5 and makes the team way more flexible and complete. Can also stagger Ben to have a 1 star plus bench like the MVP Harden days: Ben, Curry, Bruce/Kess, WING, Clax/Stretch 5. That would destroy most teams and be able to compete against the best. Mix and Match for playoffs.

No way Marks doesn't see this.

I agree, we can't roll out Curry and Patty Mills again, they are both the same player. We need more 2 way players and a legit back up PG which neither of them are. Our problem since we've got KD is we don't have a good wing defender next to him.

For years I've been yelling for one, look how Tatum and Brown dominated KD. He can't do it all, not at this age. Ben Simmons will definitely help alot next to him and another year of Kessler Edwards will help but we still need maybe 2 more of those wing defenders. Just for when Simmons feels like he doesn't want to play and we can rest KD as well so he doesn't have to play 40 minutes a game for us to win.

I would keep Cam because he can drop buckets all over the floor, depending on who we can get for him etc.. Curry and Patty are mostly spot up shooters at this point.

Bruce was great but i think obtaining a veteran defensive wing, a stretch 5 and retaining Claxton are more of a priority.

Simmons/Irving in the backcourt
KD + 3 and D wing at the forwards
Stretch 5

TheBrooklynKidd · Post #329 » by **TheBrooklynKidd** » Sun Jun 12, 2022 1:30 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:
3pt_chucker wrote:If I'm Marks I'm looking to see swap one of Cam, Mills and Curry for a wing. IF all 3 are on the roster, that will be a huge problem IMO. That's one too many offense only, smaller guards who are not true PGs either.

Say the team brings Dragic back, then that leaves those 3 fighting for SG mins. Curry is the best option for that spot but it leaves the team's back court super undersized. Add in Bruce Brown and this makes this works (ex. Dragic, Curry, Brown). Way too small to match up with Boston, Milwaukee or Miami.

One idea would be to have Curry/Cam be used as backup PG, then it would be: Curry/Cam, Brown, WING, Kessler, Clax/Stretch 5. This is a drastically better bench 5 and makes the team way more flexible and complete. Can also stagger Ben to have a 1 star plus bench like the MVP Harden days: Ben, Curry, Bruce/Kess, WING, Clax/Stretch 5. That would destroy most teams and be able to compete against the best. Mix and Match for playoffs.

No way Marks doesn't see this.

I agree, we can't roll out Curry and Patty Mills again, they are both the same player. We need more 2 way players and a legit back up PG which neither of them are. Our problem since we've got KD is we don't have a good wing defender next to him.

For years I've been yelling for one, look how Tatum and Brown dominated KD. He can't do it all, not at this age. Ben Simmons will definitely help alot next to him and another year of Kessler Edwards will help but we still need maybe 2 more of those wing defenders. Just for when Simmons feels like he doesn't want to play and we can rest KD as well so he doesn't have to play 40 minutes a game for us to win.

I would keep Cam because he can drop buckets all over the floor, depending on who we can get for him etc.. Curry and Patty are mostly spot up shooters at this point.

Bruce was great but i think obtaining a veteran defensive wing, a stretch 5 and retaining Claxton are more of a priority.

Simmons/Irving in the backcourt
KD + 3 and D wing at the forwards
Stretch 5

I think Bruce is on the cusp of a breakout so I vote to retain him over Claxton. If his corner 3 pointer is legit then it would be crazy to move him.

I think we should look into turning Seth Curry and Joe into a stretch 5 and a defensive minded wing.

MrDollarBills · Post #330 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sun Jun 12, 2022 3:35 pm

TheBrooklynKidd wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:I agree, we can't roll out Curry and Patty Mills again, they are both the same player. We need more 2 way players and a legit back up PG which neither of them are. Our problem since we've got KD is we don't have a good wing defender next to him.

For years I've been yelling for one, look how Tatum and Brown dominated KD. He can't do it all, not at this age. Ben Simmons will definitely help alot next to him and another year of Kessler Edwards will help but we still need maybe 2 more of those wing defenders. Just for when Simmons feels like he doesn't want to play and we can rest KD as well so he doesn't have to play 40 minutes a game for us to win.

I would keep Cam because he can drop buckets all over the floor, depending on who we can get for him etc.. Curry and Patty are mostly spot up shooters at this point.

Bruce was great but i think obtaining a veteran defensive wing, a stretch 5 and retaining Claxton are more of a priority.

Simmons/Irving in the backcourt
KD + 3 and D wing at the forwards
Stretch 5

I think Bruce is on the cusp of a breakout so I vote to retain him over Claxton. If his corner 3 pointer is legit then it would be crazy to move him.

I think we should look into turning Seth Curry and Joe into a stretch 5 and a defensive minded wing.

We still need the floor spacing though.

Plus, Simmons is basically taking Bruce's role. I wonder if we can do a S&T for him though to gain back a piece that fits??

NetsJets · Post #331 » by **NetsJets** » Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:43 pm

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MrDollarBills · Post #332 » by **MrDollarBills** » Sun Jun 12, 2022 10:10 pm

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GTR11 · Post #333 » by **GTR11** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:56 pm

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Just another piece that Indy looking around. Magic been receiving calls for Isaac. Both of them can fill our need. I'd love to get Isaac here. Dude is a monster when healthy, was putting all star type season before he got hurt again.

GTR11 · Post #334 » by **GTR11** » Tue Jun 14, 2022 7:43 pm

Steve Trash been brought here to manage egos and establish culture right?

https://youtube.com/shorts/eXpPX63upQs?feature=share

I've seen exactly opposite. KD vs JJ, Blake, LMA he not only mismanaged them, he also managed to kill any confidence our young guys had. Kess and Brown succeeded inspite not due to.

Fire that Trash already.

https://youtu.be/SDMxo--N9lg

Also, Bucks just didn't have enough after losing Khris. If we look back at those series, Kerr and co just copied few pages from Bud. Quick traps on Tatum and Brown force TO, send Giannis inside and let him make plays for shooters/cutters. Exactly what Dray/Wiggins doing.

Next step for Ime, Brown and Tatum is to expend their game/gameplan. Their lack of playmaking leads to killer TO. Teams like Bucks and GSW dont forgive type of mistakes.

MrDollarBills · Post #335 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Jun 16, 2022 11:20 am

The Mavericks obtained Christian Wood, a career 40% three point shooter at C, for a bag of garbage

Sean Marks, once again, asleep at the wheel.

TheBrooklynKidd · Post #336 » by **TheBrooklynKidd** » Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:30 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:The Mavericks obtained Christian Wood, a career 40% three point shooter at C, for a bag of garbage

Sean Marks, once again, asleep at the wheel.

Houston has a very vested interest in Brooklyn imploding.

It’s extremely unlikely that they would’ve traded their best player to us.

MGrand15 · Post #337 » by **MGrand15** » Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:10 pm

Christian Wood is a me-first, no defense guy who's been a problem in the locker room everywhere he's gone. I wouldn't mind trading a late first for him but he's not a clean fit and I don't think we have the culture for a guy like him.

Hopefully this means we can get a good player by trading that Philly pick.

Shark · Post #338 » by **Shark** » Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:43 pm

MGrand15 wrote:Christian Wood is a me-first, no defense guy who's been a problem in the locker room everywhere he's gone. I wouldn't mind trading a late first for him but he's not a clean fit and I don't think we have the culture for a guy like him.

Hopefully this means we can get a good player by trading that Philly pick.

Yeah, I wouldn't be upset at missing out on a Christian Wood. We already have enough personality issues as it is.

MrDollarBills · Post #339 » by **MrDollarBills** » Thu Jun 16, 2022 5:53 pm

Shark wrote:
MGrand15 wrote:Christian Wood is a me-first, no defense guy who's been a problem in the locker room everywhere he's gone. I wouldn't mind trading a late first for him but he's not a clean fit and I don't think we have the culture for a guy like him.

Hopefully this means we can get a good player by trading that Philly pick.

Yeah, I wouldn't be upset at missing out on a Christian Wood. We already have enough personality issues as it is.

I forgot that Wood is a head case.

We definitely don't have the culture to control a guy like that, we have no leadership in the locker room. I retract my remarks about Marks...this time.

TheNetsFan · Post #340 » by **TheNetsFan** » Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:09 pm

Christian Wood has not lasted more than 1-2 seasons on an NBA or G-League team. He's 26 and he's now onto his 7th NBA team. I believe I read he was also on 5 different G-League teams. Don't lose sleep over this. I believe Windrem reported years back that Marks basically had him on a do not touch list.