kidd will get fired (power struggle in Nets front office)

[machu46]

Trading Brook for Sanders is terrible. Sanders extends into 2016-17 at $11 million, is in rehab, a headcase, a locker room cancer. I wouldn't touch that with a 10 foot pole.

Sanders isnt a headcase or a locker room cancer. rehab, yes but the other 2 comments are not accurate. This also would have been long BEFORE sanders was sent to rehab, which needs to be considered. either way, Kidd was looking to move lopez which would have been a huge blessing for this franchise. clearly king wants to keep him, and its going to come back to bite us in the butt

as far as 2016-17, sanders is a guy you WANT on the team long term. a potoential 1st team all defense center. having him at 11 million you can still easily max out durant and get some other pieces.

adding money to 16-17 is only an issue when its a guy you wont keep around who isnt a young player.

We tried to acquire Jack for the package of Terry and Evans,but the Cavs turned it down. Thornton was the backup plan.

that was the report. maybe it was the nets who didnt want to go that route.

Sanders has had 1 good season.
-He broke his hand in a bar fight.
-Was suspended 5 games for violating the anti-drug policy
-Had runs in with the law
-Was garbage when he played this past season
-Now in rehab
-Had a confrontation with Gary Neal who said Sanders wasn't earning his money (locker room cancer)

$34 million would be tied up between DWill and Sanders. Would KD want to come play with them? I highly doubt that. And no they wouldn't have room for much more after that. Add in $20 million for KD you're at $54, plus Plumlee's $2 million and cap holds your at $60 so we'd have $9 million to offer, not getting anyone great with $9 million,

You're not really going to find a defensive anchor like Larry for less than what he's getting. Assuming he gets back on the court, $11 million a year for a guy that can anchor everything defensively is a pretty good deal. You probably won't get a much better return for Brook Lopez at this point. Milwaukee fans would have flipped a **** if they had traded Larry and Ersan for Brook and Mirza.

[kerry kittles]

Sanders isnt a headcase or a locker room cancer. rehab, yes but the other 2 comments are not accurate. This also would have been long BEFORE sanders was sent to rehab, which needs to be considered. either way, Kidd was looking to move lopez which would have been a huge blessing for this franchise. clearly king wants to keep him, and its going to come back to bite us in the butt

as far as 2016-17, sanders is a guy you WANT on the team long term. a potoential 1st team all defense center. having him at 11 million you can still easily max out durant and get some other pieces.

adding money to 16-17 is only an issue when its a guy you wont keep around who isnt a young player.



that was the report. maybe it was the nets who didnt want to go that route.

Sanders has had 1 good season.
-He broke his hand in a bar fight.
-Was suspended 5 games for violating the anti-drug policy
-Had runs in with the law
-Was garbage when he played this past season
-Now in rehab
-Had a confrontation with Gary Neal who said Sanders wasn't earning his money (locker room cancer)

$34 million would be tied up between DWill and Sanders. Would KD want to come play with them? I highly doubt that. And no they wouldn't have room for much more after that. Add in $20 million for KD you're at $54, plus Plumlee's $2 million and cap holds your at $60 so we'd have $9 million to offer, not getting anyone great with $9 million,

You're not really going to find a defensive anchor like Larry for less than what he's getting. Assuming he gets back on the court, $11 million a year for a guy that can anchor everything defensively is a pretty good deal. You probably won't get a much better return for Brook Lopez at this point.

If his contract didn't extend into 2016 I'd take him. The summer of 2016 is the best chance to improve this roster. I want as much of a clean slate as possible and taking on Sanders is a risk

[kerry kittles]

Sanders has had 1 good season.
-He broke his hand in a bar fight.
-Was suspended 5 games for violating the anti-drug policy\
-Had runs in with the law
-Was garbage when he played this past season

he is in rehab for violating the substance abuse. he wasnt garbage last season. he had a down year and had some injuries but he wasnt garbage. not to mention his team was trying to tank which never helps. either way, a much much better option then lopez. nets have done well turning guys around and working with some issues. there is nothing they can do about lopez being soft, having no heart, being an awful defender, and a ball stopper.

$34 million would be tied up between DWill and Sanders. Would KD want to come play with them? I highly doubt that. And no they wouldn't have room for much more after that. Add in $20 million for KD you're at $54, plus Plumlee's $2 million and cap holds your at $60 so we'd have $9 million to offer, not getting anyone great with $9 million,

9 million gets you a pretty good player. plus you would have another 23 million to spend the following year when dwill expires. Durant im sure would love to play with young defensive star at center. dwill would be the reason he doesnt come

It's better off letting Lopez expire and then in 2016 you have the following big men as free agents: Horford, Jefferson, Noah, and Howard.
Plus guys like Conley, Durant, and Derozan. You do everything you can to move DWill and then try to get these guys to come together. It's yet to be seen that Sanders has earned the extension he got for one great year. He had absolute mess of a year last year and I'm not ready to sacrifice our one saving grace, 2016 cap room to bring him in

[Prokorov]

If his contract didn't extend into 2016 I'd take him. The summer of 2016 is the best chance to improve this roster. I want as much of a clean slate as possible and taking on Sanders is a risk

Sanders helps in 2016. Alot. his 11 million doesnt hurt, we would still have 25-30 million to spend in free agency and it sures up the center position with a top notch defender. Also would help convince some guys to come here

Also, He would be a 27 year old defensive minded center on an expiring deal. thats super valuable if we need to aquire a star in a sign and trade to get them here and need something to send back the other way. Dwill doesnt work in that regard but sanders would be more attractive.

Dwill is the issue in 2016, Sanders would only help.

[kerry kittles]

If his contract didn't extend into 2016 I'd take him. The summer of 2016 is the best chance to improve this roster. I want as much of a clean slate as possible and taking on Sanders is a risk

Sanders helps in 2016. Alot. his 11 million doesnt hurt, we would still have 25-30 million to spend in free agency and it sures up the center position with a top notch defender. Also would help convince some guys to come here

Also, He would be a 27 year old defensive minded center on an expiring deal. thats super valuable if we need to aquire a star in a sign and trade to get them here and need something to send back the other way. Dwill doesnt work in that regard but sanders would be more attractive.

Dwill is the issue in 2016, Sanders would only help.

You're putting a lot of weight into his one good season where he earned that contract extension. He was a mess last year, no one wants him now. If he continues to have off the court problems he will negative value and won't be easy to unload. Its not worth the risk.

[Prokorov]

It's better off letting Lopez expire and then in 2016 you have the following big men as free agents: Horford, Jefferson, Noah, and Howard.
Plus guys like Conley, Durant, and Derozan. You do everything you can to move DWill and then try to get these guys to come together. It's yet to be seen that Sanders has earned the extension he got for one great year. He had absolute mess of a year last year and I'm not ready to sacrifice our one saving grace, 2016 cap room to bring him in

This makes zero sense. you dont want sanders on the team, but advocate using the cap space in his place on Demar Derozan? thats is beyond lunacy.

we woudl have a ton of cap room with sanders. he doesnt make lopez or dwill type money and he is better building block then derozan by a good margin. you dont win with chuckers who dont play D and have horrible shot selection. there is a reason we won 2 playoff games were derozan scored 30. his points have low impact due to the inefficiency and shot selection.

[Prokorov]

You're putting a lot of weight into his one good season where he earned that contract extension. He was a mess last year, no one wants him now. If he continues to have off the court problems he will negative value and won't be easy to unload. Its not worth the risk.

Correction, he had one GREAT seasons. his other season were good. even at the level of what he did the other 3 seasons outside of his breakout year, that is still a VERY good player and a much better player to have then lopez.

ill take off court issues over major injuries.

[verbal8]

Congrats to Carl2680 on breaking the story.

My first thought when I heard this was, "Good for the Nets, a chance for the Nets to get some real draft picks". However it looks like this could be messy for both organizations. The Bucks best case is they have a guy with 1 year of coaching experience as their GM and head coach. If it falls through, then what is the plan for the Bucks?

The Nets probably get a good draft pick(s) - 2 2nds minimum. I can see wanting to keep the head coach role as strictly that, but I am not sure going forward with Billy King as GM is the best move.

[kerry kittles]

It's better off letting Lopez expire and then in 2016 you have the following big men as free agents: Horford, Jefferson, Noah, and Howard.
Plus guys like Conley, Durant, and Derozan. You do everything you can to move DWill and then try to get these guys to come together. It's yet to be seen that Sanders has earned the extension he got for one great year. He had absolute mess of a year last year and I'm not ready to sacrifice our one saving grace, 2016 cap room to bring him in

This makes zero sense. you dont want sanders on the team, but advocate using the cap space in his place on Demar Derozan? thats is beyond lunacy.

we woudl have a ton of cap room with sanders. he doesnt make lopez or dwill type money and he is better building block then derozan by a good margin. you dont win with chuckers who dont play D and have horrible shot selection. there is a reason we won 2 playoff games were derozan scored 30. his points have low impact due to the inefficiency and shot selection.

He is one of the guys I mentioned. Derozan is a gym rat, who had a breakout season, was an All Star selection. He's been in the gym all summer while Sanders is checking in to rehab. We don't need Derozan, just an option. If we moved DWill next summer with our 2015 pick, Bogs rights, whatever we get from the Bucks here and our 2020 pick for an expiring and then sign Conley, Durant, and one of Noah, Jefferson, or Howard we'd be in great shape.

[machu46]

It's better off letting Lopez expire and then in 2016 you have the following big men as free agents: Horford, Jefferson, Noah, and Howard.
Plus guys like Conley, Durant, and Derozan. You do everything you can to move DWill and then try to get these guys to come together. It's yet to be seen that Sanders has earned the extension he got for one great year. He had absolute mess of a year last year and I'm not ready to sacrifice our one saving grace, 2016 cap room to bring him in

This makes zero sense. you dont want sanders on the team, but advocate using the cap space in his place on Demar Derozan? thats is beyond lunacy.

we woudl have a ton of cap room with sanders. he doesnt make lopez or dwill type money and he is better building block then derozan by a good margin. you dont win with chuckers who dont play D and have horrible shot selection. there is a reason we won 2 playoff games were derozan scored 30. his points have low impact due to the inefficiency and shot selection.

He is one of the guys I mentioned. Derozan is a gym rat, who had a breakout season, was an All Star selection. He's been in the gym all summer while Sanders is checking in to rehab. We don't need Derozan, just an option. If we moved DWill next summer with our 2015 pick, Bogs rights, whatever we get from the Bucks here and our 2020 pick for an expiring and then sign Conley, Durant, and one of Noah, Jefferson, or Howard we'd be in great shape.

I think it was just reported a couple days ago that Larry has been in the gym working his butt off. The rehab thing was taken out of context. He's taking part in the NBA's program on drugs, not checking himself into a rehab facility and shutting himself out from the rest of the world.

[Prokorov]

He is one of the guys I mentioned. Derozan is a gym rat, who had a breakout season

That would be great if he were entering a weight lifting contest or decathalon. its basketball though, and he is one of, if not the worst volume scorer in the league. he hasnt improved his range at all and is among the worst shooting(43% FG) and lowest efficiency(52 TS%) scorers in the game.

Also, he hasnt really improved as much as you'd think. His numbers and metrics have pretty much remained the same, some have gone down a tad, some up a tad. the only thing that really changed is his usage. basically gay left and he got more shots.

was an All Star selection.

in the joke east, at the thinnest postion and barely/undeservedly.

If we moved DWill next summer with our 2015 pick, Bogs rights, whatever we get from the Bucks here and our 2020 pick for an expiring and then sign Conley, Durant, and one of Noah, Jefferson, or Howard we'd be in great shape.

we would be in better shape if all that happened and we had sanders. moving dwill would be enormous for us. that really is independant of sanders though.

Anyhow, it just strikes me as a complete boneheaded move to bring in demar derozan. he is like the exact opposite player you want if you want to win in the NBA

- one way player
- Ineffective off the ball
- need a ton of volume to be effective
- terrible shot selection
- hurts floor spacing

if you dont like sanders because of the red flags. that is understandable. but no sane fan should want demar derozan as a free agent.

[Prokorov]

I think it was just reported a couple days ago that Larry has been in the gym working his butt off. The rehab thing was taken out of context. He's taking part in the NBA's program on drugs, not checking himself into a rehab facility and shutting himself out from the rest of the world.

Yea, its not like the dude is in AA. its more like you got caught smoking weed and now you need to go through the NBA's programs before hitting the court again.

[kerry kittles]

He is one of the guys I mentioned. Derozan is a gym rat, who had a breakout season

That would be great if he were entering a weight lifting contest or decathalon. its basketball though, and he is one of, if not the worst volume scorer in the league. he hasnt improved his range at all and is among the worst shooting(43% FG) and lowest efficiency(52 TS%) scorers in the game.

Also, he hasnt really improved as much as you'd think. His numbers and metrics have pretty much remained the same, some have gone down a tad, some up a tad. the only thing that really changed is his usage. basically gay left and he got more shots.

was an All Star selection.

in the joke east, at the thinnest postion and barely/undeservedly.

If we moved DWill next summer with our 2015 pick, Bogs rights, whatever we get from the Bucks here and our 2020 pick for an expiring and then sign Conley, Durant, and one of Noah, Jefferson, or Howard we'd be in great shape.

we would be in better shape if all that happened and we had sanders. moving dwill would be enormous for us. that really is independant of sanders though.

Anyhow, it just strikes me as a complete boneheaded move to bring in demar derozan. he is like the exact opposite player you want if you want to win in the NBA

- one way player
- Ineffective off the ball
- need a ton of volume to be effective
- terrible shot selection
- hurts floor spacing

if you dont like sanders because of the red flags. that is understandable. but no sane fan should want demar derozan as a free agent.

Derozan was one of 7 guys I mentioned, you're just keying in on him. Like I said yesterday I would be interested if he improves the next two summers. Looking at his PER last year was his best season by a wide margin, his previous high was 14.7 and it sprung to a 18.4 I know PER isn't perfect, but his scoring went up from 18.1 to 22.7. His TS% went up from 52.3 to 53.2, his offensive and defensive ratings were the best in his career, his assists numbers went up. And the Raptors went from laughing stock to winning the Atlantic and finishing as the 3 seed. Lowry was the MVP of the team, but Derozan was a key contributor. Yes, he has make strides namely on the defensive side of the ball and adding a more consistent 3 point shot would help.
Either way he's one of 7 guys that I mentioned and 2016 is the best chance for the team to improve. I am wary of Sanders red flags and don't want his contract extending past that summer because of the red flags.

[Rich Rane]

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I hope this is true. We may end looking like bandits.

wow, what a turn of events that would be!

Is Messina even with anyone right now?

As far as the other guys the Nets are being linked to right now:

I wouldn't mind George Karl since I think he could lead the veterans for the short term and provide some continuity with John Welch.

Would Kevin Ollie leave? What's his new contract with UConn like?

Mark Jackson seems like someone the veterans would follow, but nowhere near a longterm answer.

Lionel Hollins seems like he can get a lot out of players. Still gotta wonder why so many looked over him both last offseason and this offseason.

[BNB]

Just wanted in on this legendary thread.

[Prokorov]

Looking at his PER last year was his best season by a wide margin, his previous high was 14.7 and it sprung to a 18.4 I know PER isn't perfect, but his scoring went up from 18.1 to 22.7. His TS% went up from 52.3 to 53.2, his offensive and defensive ratings were the best in his career, his assists numbers went up

-His PER increased, but its still poor, and the reason it increased was mostly due to volume
-His ppg increased, because he took more shots. his shooting percentage was down. shoot more you score more
-His TS% went from bad to still bad. like going from a crappy 1988 chevy nova to a crapp 89 chevy nova
-oRTG and dRTG arent pure individual stats and are majorly influenced by the other players on the floor.

yes, he has make strides namely on the defensive side of the ball and adding a more consistent 3 point shot would help.

Asking a terrible 3 point shooter to become a good one is a tall task in 2 years. as is asking a poor defender to become a good one. you are basically advocating that he become a completely different player. turning a volume scorere with no range to become a 3 and D guy. seems super far fetched

[KMartNo1Pick]

Lifelong Nets fan here. Just joined the forum because I read about Carl.

Wish my first post could be as epic as his was...

Thanks for breaking the news!

[Rich Rane]

This thread needs to be cleaned up.

ATTENTION: Enough with the "posting in legendary thread" posts. It's as stupid as "INB4" type posts. And-1 the OP and move on.

[Bill Pidto]

I find it strange that a lot of you care more about how "epic" this thread is than the fact that your coach just did a serious heel turn.

[Kobblehead]

A small glimmer of validity will be granted to ballboys across the nation.

Kidd is as big a tool as Avery Johnson. Know your role.