Preseason Hoops: NETS @ HEAT - Tuesday, 7:30pm NBA TV

[MrDollarBills]

I've been disappointed in what I've seen so far from RHJ.

Yea I hadn't seen much of his game, but definitely not living up to the hype I'd heard from this forum so far. Hopefully he's just had a few bad games and will start going harder on defense once the regular season starts. Right now defensively he is getting torched and with his offensive inability that can't happen. I'm thinking perhaps the best starting five and 9-man rotation is Lin, Foye, Bogs, Scola, Lopez with backups being Whitehead/Vasquez (rough choice either way), Skill, RHJ, Hamilton

I'm actually not worried about RHJ's defense. Unless he has no desire to play it, it's almost inconceivable for him to have a drop off already.

It's his offense that is still JuCo level that has me concerned. Learning how to create his very hard and even impossible for many players once they've made it to the league. They've succeeded thus far without needing to be a good dribbler so why change if you don't need to.

We'll now that he's at the NBA level and can't be hidden on offense, he needs to be able to contribute.

I was/am hoping that he would've worked on corner 3s this past offseason with the goal of becoming a good overall 3pt shooter in the following year and a creator the next.

Welp, he's got a ways to go lol.

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agreed. He hesitates too much on offense. when he gets the ball inside the arc he should be attacking, i don't care how ugly it looks. be aggressive, get to the line. he can shoot FTs no problem.

[Lorenzomax7]

Booker shot 2-7 today despite not taking a shot outside of 8 feet from the basket.

He isnt showing much BBIQ either as shown by the possession where he got the defensive rebound, dribbled the ball up and drove to the basket only to miss the layup. Great way to waste a possession.

He looks like he is generously listed as 6'8". He looks really small.

For his limited skillset he is grossly overpaid. I would have rather kept T-Rob.

Really??? He is way better than T-Rob.. Overpaid? Maybe, but not so much... he is a 8 mil player imo.

[Trader_Joe]

I don't have too many take aways so far from pre-season but....

CMC looks years away from being a rotation player. If there was serious interest in him like the blog said there was around last deadline, look to get a second rounder or something for him.

Also, if anything should happen to Lin, this team might not win a game.

I think out best 10 man rotation is going to be...

Lin / Vasquez
Bogs / Killpatrick or Foye
RHJ / Harris
Scola / Booker
Lopez / Hamilton

[MrDollarBills]

Booker shot 2-7 today despite not taking a shot outside of 8 feet from the basket.

He isnt showing much BBIQ either as shown by the possession where he got the defensive rebound, dribbled the ball up and drove to the basket only to miss the layup. Great way to waste a possession.

He looks like he is generously listed as 6'8". He looks really small.

For his limited skillset he is grossly overpaid. I would have rather kept T-Rob.

Really??? He is way better than T-Rob.. Overpaid? Maybe, but not so much... he is a 8 mil player imo.

Booker is way better than T Rob who has a horrible IQ and a TS% in the 40s. no thanks.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't have too many take aways so far from pre-season but....

CMC looks years away from being a rotation player. If there was serious interest in him like the blog said there was around last deadline, look to get a second rounder or something for him.

Also, if anything should happen to Lin, this team might not win a game.

I think out best 10 man rotation is going to be...

Lin / Vasquez
Bogs / Killpatrick or Foye
RHJ / Harris
Scola / Booker
Lopez / Hamilton

^yeah this is what I think may have to be the line up. I think Foye may start to give us a 2nd ball handler.

[CalamityX12]

I don't have too many take aways so far from pre-season but....

CMC looks years away from being a rotation player. If there was serious interest in him like the blog said there was around last deadline, look to get a second rounder or something for him.

Also, if anything should happen to Lin, this team might not win a game.

I think out best 10 man rotation is going to be...

Lin / Vasquez
Bogs / Killpatrick or Foye
RHJ / Harris
Scola / Booker
Lopez / Hamilton

Cmac.... the last disappointing pick by King?

I may switch bogs with Foye as a starter. We desperately need a legit 2nd ball handler and while yes Boogie can dribble its not enough plus he's probably better served off the bench IMO.

[Trader_Joe]

I don't have too many take aways so far from pre-season but....

CMC looks years away from being a rotation player. If there was serious interest in him like the blog said there was around last deadline, look to get a second rounder or something for him.

Also, if anything should happen to Lin, this team might not win a game.

I think out best 10 man rotation is going to be...

Lin / Vasquez
Bogs / Killpatrick or Foye
RHJ / Harris
Scola / Booker
Lopez / Hamilton

Cmac.... the last disappointing pick by King?

I may switch bogs with Foye as a starter. We desperately need a legit 2nd ball handler and while yes Boogie can dribble its not enough plus he's probably better served off the bench IMO.

Small sample, but out best line-up last year was Jack/Bogs/RHJ/Thad/Lopez... only one ball handler there. It was actually a top 10 starting 5 IIRC.

[CalamityX12]

I don't have too many take aways so far from pre-season but....

CMC looks years away from being a rotation player. If there was serious interest in him like the blog said there was around last deadline, look to get a second rounder or something for him.

Also, if anything should happen to Lin, this team might not win a game.

I think out best 10 man rotation is going to be...

Lin / Vasquez
Bogs / Killpatrick or Foye
RHJ / Harris
Scola / Booker
Lopez / Hamilton

Cmac.... the last disappointing pick by King?

I may switch bogs with Foye as a starter. We desperately need a legit 2nd ball handler and while yes Boogie can dribble its not enough plus he's probably better served off the bench IMO.

Small sample, but out best line-up last year was Jack/Bogs/RHJ/Thad/Lopez... only one ball handler there. It was actually a top 10 starting 5 IIRC.

mmmmm we'll see then.

must've been real small lol

[steady]

Nice to see Nets trying a Lin-Vasquez back court.

I dun like this combo. Vas still has a long way to go before he can be effective shooting the ball. Being a reliable on both ends could hurt your chance of winning bb-game at the most crucial moment. Lin is better paired up with Kil, Bogs or Foye in the crunch time.

Vasquez has been a streaky shooter. If he can't get his shot back , then I agree. I don't know what is the most effective closing combination. -I just think this combo makes good use of Lin and Vasquez ability to play as combo guards, and could be an effective look to throw out there from time to time

[steady]

I will always be rooting for Tyler Johnson to succeed because of how classy he was to sign Nets offer sheet, even with pressure Riley put on him to sign for same terms but restructured so Heat could avoid poison pill.

[jbeachboy]

tyler johnson is good but that contract was ridiculous the last 2 years.

[MGrand15]

Preseason doesn't matter but I do pay attention to schemes we run on both ends of the floor.

I'm pretty worried about this high risk PNR defense we're playing. We're being very aggressive on the ball handlers and the paint. The idea is to leave the cross court 3 open-ish and just hope to contest IF the offensive player is extra decisive with the pass. You give up a lot of 3s - which is dangerous but if you contest them at a decent rate and wall off the paint + cause turnovers - it balances itself out. I'm not 100% sold on our ability to trap the ball and shut down on the roll man. Last thing we want is a strategy that encourages 3s but accidentally gives up a ton of layups and dunks.

This is what the Hawks did last year. Horford, Millsap and long wings made it work. Obviously bad defensive personnel makes any scheme look bad. I'm worried about this one cause it's high risk even for a good defensive squad. Hope these guys are paying attention to detail.

[Lamak]

Didn't get a chance to post my game takeaways

Good
-Ability for virtually a player in every position to get hot from 3
- Jeremy Lin continues to impress as far as shooting and ability to get into the paint

Bad
-RHJ offense game continues to look ugly
-CMC value is at an all time low, how did he get worse since last year? Maybe all the social media time (follow him on IG)
- Team defense had its moments, but looked nonexistent after the half and no adjustments were made

Ugly
- Whitehead looked terrible in garbage time
- Seems like nobody can dribble effectively other than Lin or Kilpatrick
- Anthony Bennett cannot rebound

And as a poster said above, if Lin were to get hurt, this season would be a lost cause. There was a moment where he looked dinged up early in the 1st quarter and I was slightly worried.

[TinmanZBoy]

Preseason doesn't matter but I do pay attention to schemes we run on both ends of the floor.

I'm pretty worried about this high risk PNR defense we're playing. We're being very aggressive on the ball handlers and the paint. The idea is to leave the cross court 3 open-ish and just hope to contest IF the offensive player is extra decisive with the pass. You give up a lot of 3s - which is dangerous but if you contest them at a decent rate and wall off the paint + cause turnovers - it balances itself out. I'm not 100% sold on our ability to trap the ball and shut down on the roll man. Last thing we want is a strategy that encourages 3s but accidentally gives up a ton of layups and dunks.

This is what the Hawks did last year. Horford, Millsap and long wings made it work. Obviously bad defensive personnel makes any scheme look bad. I'm worried about this one cause it's high risk even for a good defensive squad. Hope these guys are paying attention to detail.

sharp observations

[Prokorov]

I don't have too many take aways so far from pre-season but....

CMC looks years away from being a rotation player. If there was serious interest in him like the blog said there was around last deadline, look to get a second rounder or something for him.

Also, if anything should happen to Lin, this team might not win a game.

I think out best 10 man rotation is going to be...

Lin / Vasquez
Bogs / Killpatrick or Foye
RHJ / Harris
Scola / Booker
Lopez / Hamilton

I like the Euro centric second unti:

Vazquez, Kilpatrick, Bogs, Scola, Hamilton.

tons of shooting, super high iqs. and guys farmliar with playing a ball movement european style. also no worry about bogs and lin having to share the ball.

[Trader_Joe]

I don't have too many take aways so far from pre-season but....

CMC looks years away from being a rotation player. If there was serious interest in him like the blog said there was around last deadline, look to get a second rounder or something for him.

Also, if anything should happen to Lin, this team might not win a game.

I think out best 10 man rotation is going to be...

Lin / Vasquez
Bogs / Killpatrick or Foye
RHJ / Harris
Scola / Booker
Lopez / Hamilton

I like the Euro centric second unti:

Vazquez, Kilpatrick, Bogs, Scola, Hamilton.

tons of shooting, super high iqs. and guys farmliar with playing a ball movement european style. also no worry about bogs and lin having to share the ball.

I worry about..
1. The starting line-up only has 2 scorers in Lin and Brook
2. One one good three point shooter in Lin (assuming he keeps it up) as Foye has been around 35% as opposed to Bogs who could shoot close to 40%
3. The bench already has tons of shooters and one major ball hog in Killpatrick

[Prokorov]

I don't have too many take aways so far from pre-season but....

CMC looks years away from being a rotation player. If there was serious interest in him like the blog said there was around last deadline, look to get a second rounder or something for him.

Also, if anything should happen to Lin, this team might not win a game.

I think out best 10 man rotation is going to be...

Lin / Vasquez
Bogs / Killpatrick or Foye
RHJ / Harris
Scola / Booker
Lopez / Hamilton

I like the Euro centric second unti:

Vazquez, Kilpatrick, Bogs, Scola, Hamilton.

tons of shooting, super high iqs. and guys farmliar with playing a ball movement european style. also no worry about bogs and lin having to share the ball.

I worry about..
1. The starting line-up only has 2 scorers in Lin and Brook
2. One one good three point shooter in Lin (assuming he keeps it up) as Foye has been around 35% as opposed to Bogs who could shoot close to 40%
3. The bench already has tons of shooters and one major ball hog in Killpatrick

i get all those concenrs and have thought about that alot... basically what ive come up with is that there is no lineup without at least 2 major flaws. you add shooting you hurt defense. you add defense you lose scoring. etc.

to me go with the best 5 all around guys to start and then just conceed defense on the second unit but with enough offense that they can match opposing benched point for point.

there is no perfect rotation, and yours is just as well off i suppose.

[MrDollarBills]

I don't have too many take aways so far from pre-season but....

CMC looks years away from being a rotation player. If there was serious interest in him like the blog said there was around last deadline, look to get a second rounder or something for him.

Also, if anything should happen to Lin, this team might not win a game.

I think out best 10 man rotation is going to be...

Lin / Vasquez
Bogs / Killpatrick or Foye
RHJ / Harris
Scola / Booker
Lopez / Hamilton

I like the Euro centric second unti:

Vazquez, Kilpatrick, Bogs, Scola, Hamilton.

tons of shooting, super high iqs. and guys farmliar with playing a ball movement european style. also no worry about bogs and lin having to share the ball.

yeah I love this unit too. Especially if the first unit can function competently, these guys would give any bench in the league some trouble. They whipped on both Detroit and Miami

[MrDollarBills]

I like the Euro centric second unti:

Vazquez, Kilpatrick, Bogs, Scola, Hamilton.

tons of shooting, super high iqs. and guys farmliar with playing a ball movement european style. also no worry about bogs and lin having to share the ball.

I worry about..
1. The starting line-up only has 2 scorers in Lin and Brook
2. One one good three point shooter in Lin (assuming he keeps it up) as Foye has been around 35% as opposed to Bogs who could shoot close to 40%
3. The bench already has tons of shooters and one major ball hog in Killpatrick

i get all those concenrs and have thought about that alot... basically what ive come up with is that there is no lineup without at least 2 major flaws. you add shooting you hurt defense. you add defense you lose scoring. etc.

to me go with the best 5 all around guys to start and then just conceed defense on the second unit but with enough offense that they can match opposing benched point for point.

there is no perfect rotation, and yours is just as well off i suppose.

we will live and die by the 3 and attacks from Lin and Lopez into the paint. we have no other option.

[TerryTate]

I like the Euro centric second unti:

Vazquez, Kilpatrick, Bogs, Scola, Hamilton.

tons of shooting, super high iqs. and guys farmliar with playing a ball movement european style. also no worry about bogs and lin having to share the ball.

I worry about..
1. The starting line-up only has 2 scorers in Lin and Brook
2. One one good three point shooter in Lin (assuming he keeps it up) as Foye has been around 35% as opposed to Bogs who could shoot close to 40%
3. The bench already has tons of shooters and one major ball hog in Killpatrick

i get all those concenrs and have thought about that alot... basically what ive come up with is that there is no lineup without at least 2 major flaws. you add shooting you hurt defense. you add defense you lose scoring. etc.

to me go with the best 5 all around guys to start and then just conceed defense on the second unit but with enough offense that they can match opposing benched point for point.

there is no perfect rotation, and yours is just as well off i suppose.

Except, Scola & Vasquez are both from South America, not Europe.