***The Official Musa Thread***

[Dzon Dilindzer]

surprised to see this.... Temple is the kind of guy you need around stars if you want to win a title. He is like a middle-class man's danny green. Good shooter, Solid Defender of multiple positions, High BBIQ, etc...

im not sure if you know, but garrett temple is 33 yo and has been on 8 (eight) different teams

and my personal belief is that brooklyn nets plan for musa is to become leverts backup next season, but to be sure if he can handle that task, they need to give him consistent minutes throughout the season

if you would rather have a guy like temple (there are tons of temples in the nba) than a 20 yo kid with potential who can be long term fit with brooklyn nets, then i dont know what to say to you

[SpeedyG]

surprised to see this.... Temple is the kind of guy you need around stars if you want to win a title. He is like a middle-class man's danny green. Good shooter, Solid Defender of multiple positions, High BBIQ, etc...

im not sure if you know, but garrett temple is 33 yo and has been on 8 (eight) different teams

and my personal belief is that brooklyn nets plan for musa is to become leverts backup next season, but to be sure if he can handle that task, they need to give him consistent minutes throughout the season

if you would rather have a guy like temple (there are tons of temples in the nba) than a 20 yo kid with potential who can be long term fit with brooklyn nets, then i dont know what to say to you

Temple is a good vet but hes on a shorter deal than the others for a reason. I agree that the clear plan is/was to have these vets support the cast until the young guys like Musa/Claxton/Pinson are more ready.

Pretty sure they expected a larger role for Rodi as well.



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[Prokorov]

surprised to see this.... Temple is the kind of guy you need around stars if you want to win a title. He is like a middle-class man's danny green. Good shooter, Solid Defender of multiple positions, High BBIQ, etc...

im not sure if you know, but garrett temple is 33 yo and has been on 8 (eight) different teams

and my personal belief is that brooklyn nets plan for musa is to become leverts backup next season, but to be sure if he can handle that task, they need to give him consistent minutes throughout the season

if you would rather have a guy like temple (there are tons of temples in the nba) than a 20 yo kid with potential who can be long term fit with brooklyn nets, then i dont know what to say to you

Of course id rather have 33 year old temple then 20 year old musa for a 3 year window where we can win a title with Durant. Why would we want to minimize our title chances for a guy who is likely to be a career role player?

Temple is the guy you want around stars for a title run.

Your not taking the ball out of Durant/Kyrie/Levert/Spencers hands to try and develop a late draft pick role player with a chance a title. you are 100% playing the win-now off ball 3 & D veteran.

you get win now players when you have a chance to win now. Kyrie specifically recruited temple for that reason

[gigantes]

Why would we want to minimize our title chances for a guy who is likely to be a career role player?

That assessment seems perfectly fair, although he could at least be a quality 3&D guy if he manages to build upon his shooting efficiency from his last year at Cedevita, where he was 36% from three on 3.5 attempts per game, and 57% from two.

But he and the org apparently want him to be much more than that, which could work to his benefit or detriment, I guess. So it seems like an interesting coaching quandary to me-- i.e., do you try to get him solidified as a pure 3&D guy, then build on his other skills later, or do you let him have free reign to work on everything at once?

Well, based on what we're seeing, I guess the Nets have some real confidence in this guy, notwithstanding the fact that they've been borderline forced to give him minutes so far.

Assuming the team renews him next season, Summer of '22 is the critical assessment date, where his qualifying offer starts at $5.4M. At this rate, the CBA isn't doing us much favors, there.

So yeah, it's going to be real interesting seeing if Musa can clear up some of his glaring errors as the season goes along. This whole discussion could change a lot IMO.

[Dzon Dilindzer]

But he and the org apparently want him to be much more than that, which could work to his benefit or detriment, I guess. So it seems like an interesting coaching quandary to me-- i.e., do you try to get him solidified as a pure 3&D guy, then build on his other skills later, or do you let him have free reign to work on everything at once?

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7nxhcd

listen at 00:45, theres answer to your question

[Prokorov]

Why would we want to minimize our title chances for a guy who is likely to be a career role player?

That assessment seems perfectly fair, although he could at least be a quality 3&D guy if he manages to build upon his shooting efficiency from his last year at Cedevita, where he was 36% from three on 3.5 attempts per game, and 57% from two.

But he and the org apparently want him to be much more than that, which could work to his benefit or detriment, I guess. So it seems like an interesting coaching quandary to me-- i.e., do you try to get him solidified as a pure 3&D guy, then build on his other skills later, or do you let him have free reign to work on everything at once?

Well, based on what we're seeing, I guess the Nets have some real confidence in this guy, notwithstanding the fact that they've been borderline forced to give him minutes so far.

Assuming the team renews him next season, Summer of '22 is the critical assessment date, where his qualifying offer starts at $5.4M. At this rate, the CBA isn't doing us much favors, there.

So yeah, it's going to be real interesting seeing if Musa can clear up some of his glaring errors as the season goes along. This whole discussion could change a lot IMO.

the nets want him to succeed, they want him to be part of the future... but that future is beyond the 4 year KD window... so they know they have time. they wont force him into a role during that title window. if he plays his way into the rotation great, if not, great... but either way, they are going to roll with temple as he is the the type of guy you want for a title window

[gigantes]

But he and the org apparently want him to be much more than that, which could work to his benefit or detriment, I guess. So it seems like an interesting coaching quandary to me-- i.e., do you try to get him solidified as a pure 3&D guy, then build on his other skills later, or do you let him have free reign to work on everything at once?

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7nxhcd

listen at 00:45, theres answer to your question

Nice highlights. For the record, I meant that Q more as a theoretical in this type of situation, because I think the answer is already pretty clear when it comes to Musa.

Not to mention, I suspect that every younger player on the team has their own customised blueprint for development. But I think the fact that they went in this direction shows how much confidence they have in the guy. Or maybe it shows that's where they feel their greatest ROI lies. *shrug*

the nets want him to succeed, they want him to be part of the future... but that future is beyond the 4 year KD window... so they know they have time. they wont force him into a role during that title window. if he plays his way into the rotation great, if not, great... but either way, they are going to roll with temple as he is the the type of guy you want for a title window

No arguments here.

I do find it fascinating watching young players like this struggling to acclimate to the league, and struggling to put it all together. This kind of thing is what a true rebuild is about IMO.

When Prokhy/King/Razumov blew all those draft picks, I felt robbed in this area.

[Claud]

Musa needs to hit 3pt shots consistently to stay in this league.

I have liked his hustle and effort on defense but offensivelly he seems to be struggling to shoot/score consistently.

Stll very young and would rather developt Musa over playing guys like Temple/Nwaba/Shump who won't be here long-term.

This is a great opportunity for Musa to get a lot of important playing time and be in real game scenarios until Caris and Kyrie are back.

surprised to see this.... Temple is the kind of guy you need around stars if you want to win a title. He is like a middle-class man's danny green. Good shooter, Solid Defender of multiple positions, High BBIQ, etc...

I really like Temple and think he's the closest thing to Carroll but he's a journeyman for a reason. I'm glad we have him but we need to see if Musa is worth investing long-term. Truth is both Temple and Musa should get plenty of playing time this season.

Surprisingly, looks like Nwaba is the one that might get cut to keep Shump.

[Prokorov]

5 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist in 15 minutes (12/7/3 PER36)

34%/18%/77% on FG/3P/FT (5-29 from three)

7.9 PER
45.7 TS%
-4.7 Offensive BPM
-0.2 Offensive WS
89 points per 100 possessions

[kamaze]

He's got heart and he showed that after he got elbowed by them he later made that 3 over their center and talked trash afterward. After that DJ talked trash too when he did something.

[GTR11]

5 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist in 15 minutes (12/7/3 PER36)

34%/18%/77% on FG/3P/FT (5-29 from three)

7.9 PER
45.7 TS%
-4.7 Offensive BPM
-0.2 Offensive WS
89 points per 100 possessions

There will be some bumps along the way like with everyone else. Guy has a game and it's undeniable. He had a very good game last night and showed me something. I'm willing to give him time to meet my expectations, he learning his role and it showed.

[MGrand15]

He had a nice stretch yesterday where he got a layup out of PNR, assisted on a Temple 3 after drawing the defense, then buried a 3 in Mitchell's face. He was only credited with 1 steal but he drew at least 3 turnovers. His defense was great outside of a couple mistakes.

He obviously needs to get his scoring going or he's going to lose his rotation spot but I think it's a 2nd unit problem at the moment. That unit is doing a terrible job of running the offense. It's hard to even take the numbers seriously. They've been comically bad when they're all out there together. But individually they've been OK when it's just one or two of them. They've got to figure out how to run offense.

[MrDollarBills]

Musa's defense makes it worth giving him time and letting him figure things out on offense. I don't think he is as bad as we are seeing. On offense I think he's pressing to do something instead of letting it come to him.

[jbeachboy]

musa shot selection needs alot of work.

[Dzon Dilindzer]

kevin durant and musa seems to like each other... great to see, i bet this means a lot to musa

posters have already said that durants has took musa under his wing

[Dzon Dilindzer]

if musa doesnt keep his place in the rotation after kyrie and levert returns, he should be sent to g league

also, there was article on netsdaily that says it would be best for musa if he would get traded to some rebuilding team, where he would get consistent minutes, unlike brooklyn who will compete for chip next couple of seasons and i agree with that

he doesnt seem ready yet, at least offensively, defensively hes really impressed me, considering we all thought he would be liability on that end... he was always known for his offense, so one can hope his offense will come around

hes a project and like mentioned earlier, im not sure if brooklyn can give him consistent minutes while competing for chip, so the best possible solution would be trading him to some other team

[Uncbball8293]

It will be interesting to see what happens by weeks end and if anything is done with Musa. I honestly don't think he is as bad offensively as he has looked. He has made some poor decisions with the deep 3's, but I still like his ability in a pick n roll and how he attacks the rim aggressively. Like yesterday vs Denver he drove me nuts with the deep three when he had Jokic in an ISO and could have gone by him with ease. I still think a lot of his woes offensively are him putting pressure on himself to stick and show what he can do, along with bad decisions.

Defensively he has really impressed me. He didn't even get in a defensive stance in Long Island last year and gave zero effort. Night and day turnaround to this year. I think if he went to a bad team where he could get some more comfortable minutes you could see what he's capable of.

Either way a 6'9" 20 year old that has come as far as he has defensively in a year and has the ability to put the ball on the ground, get to the rim, shoot floaters, and is actually a really good passer would be someone a bad team would take a chance on if the Nets put him out there. The threes will start going down for him off better decision making and once he adds a midrange game it's hard to tell what you might have in 2-3 years.

[MrDollarBills]

It will be interesting to see what happens by weeks end and if anything is done with Musa. I honestly don't think he is as bad offensively as he has looked. He has made some poor decisions with the deep 3's, but I still like his ability in a pick n roll and how he attacks the rim aggressively. Like yesterday vs Denver he drove me nuts with the deep three when he had Jokic in an ISO and could have gone by him with ease. I still think a lot of his woes offensively are him putting pressure on himself to stick and show what he can do, along with bad decisions.

Defensively he has really impressed me. He didn't even get in a defensive stance in Long Island last year and gave zero effort. Night and day turnaround to this year. I think if he went to a bad team where he could get some more comfortable minutes you could see what he's capable of.

Either way a 6'9" 20 year old that has come as far as he has defensively in a year and has the ability to put the ball on the ground, get to the rim, shoot floaters, and is actually a really good passer would be someone a bad team would take a chance on if the Nets put him out there. The threes will start going down for him off better decision making and once he adds a midrange game it's hard to tell what you might have in 2-3 years.

If Musa was shooting three pointers like he did in the G league he would be a rotation lock. I think it's 100% mental with him.

[Prokorov]

It is really diasappointing how he has handled this opportunity... he has gotten a ton of real minutes and a super long leash to stuggle and just has been god awful. His three point shooting makes RHJ look like a sniper... and if bricking them wasnt bad enough he finds the need to launch these curry range bombs for some reason?

all i heard was he is some 6'9" point-forward with gaurd skills but his passing has been non exsistant and his shooting really poor. regarding the 6'9" he plays really small (at least offensively). he doesnt bully smaller players once he gets in the paint and he doesnt finsih above the rim.. and he takes these awful off balance shots that not only do go in but put him out of position on defense when they go the other way

he doesnt really rebound like a 6'9" player either

the only thing that keeps you from sports-hating the dude is he does play hard and his D has been solid. but man, such a disappointment offensively with a golden opportunity

[Uncbball8293]

It is really diasappointing how he has handled this opportunity... he has gotten a ton of real minutes and a super long leash to stuggle and just has been god awful. His three point shooting makes RHJ look like a sniper... and if bricking them wasnt bad enough he finds the need to launch these curry range bombs for some reason?

all i heard was he is some 6'9" point-forward with gaurd skills but his passing has been non exsistant and his shooting really poor. regarding the 6'9" he plays really small (at least offensively). he doesnt bully smaller players once he gets in the paint and he doesnt finsih above the rim.. and he takes these awful off balance shots that not only do go in but put him out of position on defense when they go the other way

he doesnt really rebound like a 6'9" player either

the only thing that keeps you from sports-hating the dude is he does play hard and his D has been solid. but man, such a disappointment offensively with a golden opportunity

Yeah, but the biggest thing you are missing is he's 20 years old. Is he expected to look great right now....no. Did we expect him to look this bad either....no. Better yet did we even expect him to being seeing minutes right now if it weren't for the injuries...no. So he has been put into a position possibly too soon where you can see he overpressed. At the same time you can see glimpses of the talent he does posses and hope for him 2-3 years down the road when he probably should have come over from Europe ready to contribute. He has a winning mentality, has always won wherever he has been, is extremely competitive, and plays with a fire to him. Nets fans just need to remind themselves that he is 20. Spence was awful when he came into this league his first two years at Age 21-22, Musa is a year younger without the college experience against D1 athletes. My point is patience with him and understand what he has been thrust into when it wasn't expected.