Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[Prokorov]

Here is a list of all the individual player salaries for the next 5 years.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Any names that you think we can trade LeVert for?

I think you could get waiters for levert plus the philly pick.

Waiters was cut by the Grizzlies.

Tim Hardaway for Levert and a 1st.

Fournier. Dieng. Zeller.

Add Kurucs/Musa if needed too. seconds.

I dont think leverts deal is toxic where it takes more than a first, prospects and taking back 1-2 years of similar salary is unreasonable

[Prokorov]

I think we've already seen what the Wizards look like with Beal + Wall, and its not good enough. Those two guys make close to a combined $80 mill, which is absurd, and Wall's contract isn't even movable really. Who are the Wizards going to be better than at full strength? Bucks? No. Raptors? No. Celtics? No. Sixers? No. Heat? No. Pacers? No. Us with KD/Kyrie back? No.

Their best case scenario is 8th seed, maybe 7th. Wall is coming back from an achilles injury, and he's an athleticism reliant player. I hope he makes a full recovery and can be the same, but just like with KD, that's not a guarantee. Their roster is full of holes even at full strength, they're 100% better off continuing their rebuild, and selling high on Beal. They can't move Wall, but they can move Beal for young assets & picks. Beal will want out sooner or later, because he has publicly stated his frustrations being in a losing situation.

And yes, Holiday will be a UFA in 2021, assuming he opts out. It's a fair point, there's no guarantee of re-signing, but I'd feel pretty good about our chances of re-signing him under Marks, Tsai, and the team/situation we can provide him. But the risk is actually even greater with Spencer Dinwiddie, because he will 100% opt out, and he'll have extremely competitive offers around the league that will offer him a starting job. RFAs are also risky because they can be signed to lopsided offer sheets (like Marks did early), and then you have a decision to match.

I don't think getting Beal, or especially Jrue is a pipe dream at all. We do have the assets to make those moves, and those players are expected to get trade offers or be on trade market, because of the situations they're in. It's ultimately Marks' call whether he wants to pursue these type of players, or settle for smaller trades (e.g. Prince for whoever).

The Beal trade is the most homer trade I’ve ever seen.

No one is getting excited about LeVert and Prince. They are almost negative assets at this point. Normally we would have to attach picks just to get rid of them. They already have Thomas Bryant and are hoping to re-sign Bertrans, so Jarrett Allen does nothing for them.

Then to make matters worse, you are attaching 3 lottery protected draft picks in this trade.

So in total, the Wizards are getting two negative contracts, a C they don’t need, and 3 non-lottery draft picks for Bradley Beal whose been dropping 50 points left right and center for the past 2 seasons.

PG just got traded and in return OKC got SGA and a ton of picks and pick swaps. None of the players the Wizards are getting (Prince, LeVert, and Allen) will ever sniff an all-star team.

When in the NBA does have a team have a superstar on contract for 2+ years and they decide, let’s trade him for a bunch of spare parts and some non-lottery picks.

Seriously if Marks calls the Wizards with this trade, they would laugh their ass off, hang up, and block our number.

It looks like something must have ticked you off because this was an unnecessarily hostile post after the initial one. No, its not a homer trade. Contrary to what many Nets fans like to believe, Levert, and Prince are not negative value assets. Definitely not Levert, who will absolutely have value around the league. At worst case, Prince is there as a neutral value asset to match salaries. The guy is 25 years old, and only signed for two more years at around $12 mill/yr, close to average salary in the NBA these days. He's having a terrible year, but he's a better player than he has shown here. I've already explained my stance on Levert multiple times, and I'll just say again, that I wouldn't even trade Levert if we were a rebuilding team or a young playoffs team like we were last year. But the reality is that we're expected to contend, and we need more reliable production from someone making $17-18 mill/yr. Rebuilding teams however can make a gamble on that.

Allen is one of the best value contracts in the league, and that's a fact. He's a 21 year old center, still on his rookie deal, with defensive anchor potential at the very least. He'll be a very good starting C in this league one day, if not an all star caliber player. But it's similar reasoning as what I used with Levert. We need to improve and need more consistency, so if he can be part of a bigger trade to get a star in or a short term upgrade, you do it. But Allen is a really good young piece, and also if we didn't have DJ being the same type of C, there would be more use. You're undervaluing our players, which a team's fans often tend to do, especially when a team is in a frustrating situation like we have been. Thomas Bryant is one of the worst defenders at C in the league, and Bertans isn't even a C

Beal has 2 years remaining on his deal in summer, not 2+. Beal also isn't PG, who was coming off a stellar year, where he ranked top 3 in MVP voting, All NBA First team, All Defensive First team. Clippers were also in a unique situation where getting PG also meant getting Kawhi, so they overpaid to get it done. So why the hell would Beal get a haul similar to what PG got? Beal also isn't AD, who is a top 5 player in the NBA. And then think about which possible contender in the NBA can offer more for Beal?

I agree with prince. he is nuetral value at worst. not many 3 & D guys at his age/salary. Levert i think is closer to nuetral. I dont think he is negative yet. but it doesnt help that following up a poor season post-injury last year with another awful shooting year helps. but he has time to correct that still.

Allen i think is a great contract for a good player as is who still has ceiling. a 12/10 rim runner who knows his role and blocks a few shots. Problem is, if its him and 2-3 guys with nutral or slightly positive value. thats not getting beal unless he tries to force a trade to specifically us.

For beal i think it needs to be dinwiddie, Harris, Allen, our 2023 and 2025 firsts with little/no protection and then levert or prince.

I think its very unlikely, given someone like boston could send them Hayward, more/better first round picks, and better young talent. I think up and coming teams like memphis and the pelicans have more to offer as well. OKC too.

[DarkXaero]

The Beal trade is the most homer trade I’ve ever seen.

No one is getting excited about LeVert and Prince. They are almost negative assets at this point. Normally we would have to attach picks just to get rid of them. They already have Thomas Bryant and are hoping to re-sign Bertrans, so Jarrett Allen does nothing for them.

Then to make matters worse, you are attaching 3 lottery protected draft picks in this trade.

So in total, the Wizards are getting two negative contracts, a C they don’t need, and 3 non-lottery draft picks for Bradley Beal whose been dropping 50 points left right and center for the past 2 seasons.

PG just got traded and in return OKC got SGA and a ton of picks and pick swaps. None of the players the Wizards are getting (Prince, LeVert, and Allen) will ever sniff an all-star team.

When in the NBA does have a team have a superstar on contract for 2+ years and they decide, let’s trade him for a bunch of spare parts and some non-lottery picks.

Seriously if Marks calls the Wizards with this trade, they would laugh their ass off, hang up, and block our number.

It looks like something must have ticked you off because this was an unnecessarily hostile post after the initial one. No, its not a homer trade. Contrary to what many Nets fans like to believe, Levert, and Prince are not negative value assets. Definitely not Levert, who will absolutely have value around the league. At worst case, Prince is there as a neutral value asset to match salaries. The guy is 25 years old, and only signed for two more years at around $12 mill/yr, close to average salary in the NBA these days. He's having a terrible year, but he's a better player than he has shown here. I've already explained my stance on Levert multiple times, and I'll just say again, that I wouldn't even trade Levert if we were a rebuilding team or a young playoffs team like we were last year. But the reality is that we're expected to contend, and we need more reliable production from someone making $17-18 mill/yr. Rebuilding teams however can make a gamble on that.

Allen is one of the best value contracts in the league, and that's a fact. He's a 21 year old center, still on his rookie deal, with defensive anchor potential at the very least. He'll be a very good starting C in this league one day, if not an all star caliber player. But it's similar reasoning as what I used with Levert. We need to improve and need more consistency, so if he can be part of a bigger trade to get a star in or a short term upgrade, you do it. But Allen is a really good young piece, and also if we didn't have DJ being the same type of C, there would be more use. You're undervaluing our players, which a team's fans often tend to do, especially when a team is in a frustrating situation like we have been. Thomas Bryant is one of the worst defenders at C in the league, and Bertans isn't even a C

Beal has 2 years remaining on his deal in summer, not 2+. Beal also isn't PG, who was coming off a stellar year, where he ranked top 3 in MVP voting, All NBA First team, All Defensive First team. Clippers were also in a unique situation where getting PG also meant getting Kawhi, so they overpaid to get it done. So why the hell would Beal get a haul similar to what PG got? Beal also isn't AD, who is a top 5 player in the NBA. And then think about which possible contender in the NBA can offer more for Beal?

I agree with prince. he is nuetral value at worst. not many 3 & D guys at his age/salary. Levert i think is closer to nuetral. I dont think he is negative yet. but it doesnt help that following up a poor season post-injury last year with another awful shooting year helps. but he has time to correct that still.

Allen i think is a great contract for a good player as is who still has ceiling. a 12/10 rim runner who knows his role and blocks a few shots. Problem is, if its him and 2-3 guys with nutral or slightly positive value. thats not getting beal unless he tries to force a trade to specifically us.

For beal i think it needs to be dinwiddie, Harris, Allen, our 2023 and 2025 firsts with little/no protection and then levert or prince.

I think its very unlikely, given someone like boston could send them Hayward, more/better first round picks, and better young talent. I think up and coming teams like memphis and the pelicans have more to offer as well. OKC too.

I think Boston beats the offer (and most likely everyone else) if they offer Jaylen Brown. But I have a hard time seeing Ainge do that, because Brown is also trending up. I don't think Hayward + picks is enough.

I agree that OKC and possibly Pelicans can beat the offer, but I don't see the sense for Pelicans to go after a player like Beal. I don't think it fits their timeline. OKC have the assets, but who are they using to match salaries for Beal's contract? Either way, those are fair possibilities for Beal, I'm not gonna be homer and deny that. Pelicans and OKC can beat our offer, although they're not contenders.

[ProspectPark]

I think you could get waiters for levert plus the philly pick.

Waiters was cut by the Grizzlies.

Tim Hardaway for Levert and a 1st.

Fournier. Dieng. Zeller.

Add Kurucs/Musa if needed too. seconds.

I dont think leverts deal is toxic where it takes more than a first, prospects and taking back 1-2 years of similar salary is unreasonable

Dallas isn’t going to tie up $20 million for the next 3 years while they are trying to build a contender around Luka. Same with the Grizzlies.

And does it make sense, we’re trying to win a championship but we’re going to get rid of our depth at SG and future picks just so we can keep Dinwiddie.

Pretty much what you’re saying is instead of trading Din for a forward who can play D, you would rather keep the hole we have at forward, trade LeVert and create another hole at SG.

[CalamityX12]

Any trade scenario, Dinwiddie can’t be moved IMO...

We do not have any other PGs on this roster we can trust.

[ProspectPark]

I think we've already seen what the Wizards look like with Beal + Wall, and its not good enough. Those two guys make close to a combined $80 mill, which is absurd, and Wall's contract isn't even movable really. Who are the Wizards going to be better than at full strength? Bucks? No. Raptors? No. Celtics? No. Sixers? No. Heat? No. Pacers? No. Us with KD/Kyrie back? No.

Their best case scenario is 8th seed, maybe 7th. Wall is coming back from an achilles injury, and he's an athleticism reliant player. I hope he makes a full recovery and can be the same, but just like with KD, that's not a guarantee. Their roster is full of holes even at full strength, they're 100% better off continuing their rebuild, and selling high on Beal. They can't move Wall, but they can move Beal for young assets & picks. Beal will want out sooner or later, because he has publicly stated his frustrations being in a losing situation.

And yes, Holiday will be a UFA in 2021, assuming he opts out. It's a fair point, there's no guarantee of re-signing, but I'd feel pretty good about our chances of re-signing him under Marks, Tsai, and the team/situation we can provide him. But the risk is actually even greater with Spencer Dinwiddie, because he will 100% opt out, and he'll have extremely competitive offers around the league that will offer him a starting job. RFAs are also risky because they can be signed to lopsided offer sheets (like Marks did early), and then you have a decision to match.

I don't think getting Beal, or especially Jrue is a pipe dream at all. We do have the assets to make those moves, and those players are expected to get trade offers or be on trade market, because of the situations they're in. It's ultimately Marks' call whether he wants to pursue these type of players, or settle for smaller trades (e.g. Prince for whoever).

The Beal trade is the most homer trade I’ve ever seen.

No one is getting excited about LeVert and Prince. They are almost negative assets at this point. Normally we would have to attach picks just to get rid of them. They already have Thomas Bryant and are hoping to re-sign Bertrans, so Jarrett Allen does nothing for them.

Then to make matters worse, you are attaching 3 lottery protected draft picks in this trade.

So in total, the Wizards are getting two negative contracts, a C they don’t need, and 3 non-lottery draft picks for Bradley Beal whose been dropping 50 points left right and center for the past 2 seasons.

PG just got traded and in return OKC got SGA and a ton of picks and pick swaps. None of the players the Wizards are getting (Prince, LeVert, and Allen) will ever sniff an all-star team.

When in the NBA does have a team have a superstar on contract for 2+ years and they decide, let’s trade him for a bunch of spare parts and some non-lottery picks.

Seriously if Marks calls the Wizards with this trade, they would laugh their ass off, hang up, and block our number.

It looks like something must have ticked you off because this was an unnecessarily hostile post after the initial one. No, its not a homer trade. Contrary to what many Nets fans like to believe, Levert, and Prince are not negative value assets. Definitely not Levert, who will absolutely have value around the league. At worst case, Prince is there as a neutral value asset to match salaries. The guy is 25 years old, and only signed for two more years at around $12 mill/yr, close to average salary in the NBA these days. He's having a terrible year, but he's a better player than he has shown here. I've already explained my stance on Levert multiple times, and I'll just say again, that I wouldn't even trade Levert if we were a rebuilding team or a young playoffs team like we were last year. But the reality is that we're expected to contend, and we need more reliable production from someone making $17-18 mill/yr. Rebuilding teams however can make a gamble on that.

Allen is one of the best value contracts in the league, and that's a fact. He's a 21 year old center, still on his rookie deal, with defensive anchor potential at the very least. He'll be a very good starting C in this league one day, if not an all star caliber player. But it's similar reasoning as what I used with Levert. We need to improve and need more consistency, so if he can be part of a bigger trade to get a star in or a short term upgrade, you do it. But Allen is a really good young piece, and also if we didn't have DJ being the same type of C, there would be more use. You're undervaluing our players, which a team's fans often tend to do, especially when a team is in a frustrating situation like we have been. Thomas Bryant is one of the worst defenders at C in the league, and Bertans isn't even a C

Beal has 2 years remaining on his deal in summer, not 2+. Beal also isn't PG, who was coming off a stellar year, where he ranked top 3 in MVP voting, All NBA First team, All Defensive First team. Clippers were also in a unique situation where getting PG also meant getting Kawhi, so they overpaid to get it done. So why the hell would Beal get a haul similar to what PG got? Beal also isn't AD, who is a top 5 player in the NBA. And then think about which possible contender in the NBA can offer more for Beal?

Beal is the most coveted player in the league. Our spare parts and some picks in the 20’s isn’t even close to what it would take.

Unless you’re going to blow the Wizards away, it makes zero sense for them to trade him without seeing what Wall will look like when he gets back. Beal signed the extension understanding this.

Pipe - Dream

[DarkXaero]

The Beal trade is the most homer trade I’ve ever seen.

No one is getting excited about LeVert and Prince. They are almost negative assets at this point. Normally we would have to attach picks just to get rid of them. They already have Thomas Bryant and are hoping to re-sign Bertrans, so Jarrett Allen does nothing for them.

Then to make matters worse, you are attaching 3 lottery protected draft picks in this trade.

So in total, the Wizards are getting two negative contracts, a C they don’t need, and 3 non-lottery draft picks for Bradley Beal whose been dropping 50 points left right and center for the past 2 seasons.

PG just got traded and in return OKC got SGA and a ton of picks and pick swaps. None of the players the Wizards are getting (Prince, LeVert, and Allen) will ever sniff an all-star team.

When in the NBA does have a team have a superstar on contract for 2+ years and they decide, let’s trade him for a bunch of spare parts and some non-lottery picks.

Seriously if Marks calls the Wizards with this trade, they would laugh their ass off, hang up, and block our number.

It looks like something must have ticked you off because this was an unnecessarily hostile post after the initial one. No, its not a homer trade. Contrary to what many Nets fans like to believe, Levert, and Prince are not negative value assets. Definitely not Levert, who will absolutely have value around the league. At worst case, Prince is there as a neutral value asset to match salaries. The guy is 25 years old, and only signed for two more years at around $12 mill/yr, close to average salary in the NBA these days. He's having a terrible year, but he's a better player than he has shown here. I've already explained my stance on Levert multiple times, and I'll just say again, that I wouldn't even trade Levert if we were a rebuilding team or a young playoffs team like we were last year. But the reality is that we're expected to contend, and we need more reliable production from someone making $17-18 mill/yr. Rebuilding teams however can make a gamble on that.

Allen is one of the best value contracts in the league, and that's a fact. He's a 21 year old center, still on his rookie deal, with defensive anchor potential at the very least. He'll be a very good starting C in this league one day, if not an all star caliber player. But it's similar reasoning as what I used with Levert. We need to improve and need more consistency, so if he can be part of a bigger trade to get a star in or a short term upgrade, you do it. But Allen is a really good young piece, and also if we didn't have DJ being the same type of C, there would be more use. You're undervaluing our players, which a team's fans often tend to do, especially when a team is in a frustrating situation like we have been. Thomas Bryant is one of the worst defenders at C in the league, and Bertans isn't even a C

Beal has 2 years remaining on his deal in summer, not 2+. Beal also isn't PG, who was coming off a stellar year, where he ranked top 3 in MVP voting, All NBA First team, All Defensive First team. Clippers were also in a unique situation where getting PG also meant getting Kawhi, so they overpaid to get it done. So why the hell would Beal get a haul similar to what PG got? Beal also isn't AD, who is a top 5 player in the NBA. And then think about which possible contender in the NBA can offer more for Beal?

Beal is the most coveted player in the league. Our spare parts and some picks in the 20’s isn’t even close to what it would take.

Unless you’re going to blow the Wizards away, it makes zero sense for them to trade him without seeing what Wall will look like when he gets back. Beal signed the extension understanding this.

Pipe - Dream

If you're gonna be condescending, not take the time to counter what I've said, then don't bother replying.

[ProspectPark]

It looks like something must have ticked you off because this was an unnecessarily hostile post after the initial one. No, its not a homer trade. Contrary to what many Nets fans like to believe, Levert, and Prince are not negative value assets. Definitely not Levert, who will absolutely have value around the league. At worst case, Prince is there as a neutral value asset to match salaries. The guy is 25 years old, and only signed for two more years at around $12 mill/yr, close to average salary in the NBA these days. He's having a terrible year, but he's a better player than he has shown here. I've already explained my stance on Levert multiple times, and I'll just say again, that I wouldn't even trade Levert if we were a rebuilding team or a young playoffs team like we were last year. But the reality is that we're expected to contend, and we need more reliable production from someone making $17-18 mill/yr. Rebuilding teams however can make a gamble on that.

Allen is one of the best value contracts in the league, and that's a fact. He's a 21 year old center, still on his rookie deal, with defensive anchor potential at the very least. He'll be a very good starting C in this league one day, if not an all star caliber player. But it's similar reasoning as what I used with Levert. We need to improve and need more consistency, so if he can be part of a bigger trade to get a star in or a short term upgrade, you do it. But Allen is a really good young piece, and also if we didn't have DJ being the same type of C, there would be more use. You're undervaluing our players, which a team's fans often tend to do, especially when a team is in a frustrating situation like we have been. Thomas Bryant is one of the worst defenders at C in the league, and Bertans isn't even a C

Beal has 2 years remaining on his deal in summer, not 2+. Beal also isn't PG, who was coming off a stellar year, where he ranked top 3 in MVP voting, All NBA First team, All Defensive First team. Clippers were also in a unique situation where getting PG also meant getting Kawhi, so they overpaid to get it done. So why the hell would Beal get a haul similar to what PG got? Beal also isn't AD, who is a top 5 player in the NBA. And then think about which possible contender in the NBA can offer more for Beal?

Beal is the most coveted player in the league. Our spare parts and some picks in the 20’s isn’t even close to what it would take.

Unless you’re going to blow the Wizards away, it makes zero sense for them to trade him without seeing what Wall will look like when he gets back. Beal signed the extension understanding this.

Pipe - Dream

If you're gonna be condescending, not take the time to counter what I've said, then don't bother.

I’ve given you a million reasons why Beal won’t be moved until at least 2021, and then even if he is traded, we just don’t have the trade chips.

I would love for us to get Beal. It’s just not realistic.

[ProspectPark]

@DarkXaero

Imagine you have this electrifying player that can score 50 at the drop of a hat. A legitimate top 15 player. Then you have another former all-star point guard whose coming off an injury but you still hope will be effective when he comes back. You also have some really interesting young players like Bryant, Hachimura, Brown Jr. and one of the best 3 point shooters in the league in Davis Bertrans who you are hoping to re-sign.

So if you have all that to look forward to next season, do you really think the Wizards want to trade away their best player for some inconsistent role players who are overpaid? Levert and Prince aren’t even that young.

No one is trading a top 15 player on a great contract for some role players.

[Prokorov]

@DarkXaero

Imagine you have this electrifying player that can score 50 at the drop of a hat. A legitimate top 15 player. Then you have another former all-star point guard whose coming off an injury but you still hope will be effective when he comes back. You also have some really interesting young players like Bryant, Hachimura, Brown Jr. and one of the best 3 point shooters in the league in Davis Bertrans who you are hoping to re-sign.

So if you have all that to look forward to next season, do you really think the Wizards want to trade away their best player for some overpaid inconsistent role players who are overpaid? Levert and Prince aren’t even that young.

No one is trading a top 15 player on a great contract for some role players.

They will also have a lottery pick. Beal isnt some overpaid 32 year old either.

Why would the wizards trade beal for a package of 4 or 5 mid-level players/assets when they could package beal with a lottery pick and bring in anohter under 28 all-star type instead?

or like try and swap Beal for mccollum or something.

you could argue it would be better for the Wizards to let him play out his deal and take the 35 million in cap space instead

if they DO take something like that offer above, it would be at the very last possible moment. the 2022 deadline. you dont settle for 50 cents on the dollar until you have to

[Claud]

We have Kyrie, Vert and Dinwddie.

Beal is fantastic but we need a different profile to fit the puzzle.

[gigantes]

Chris Chiozza obviously needs a larger sample size, but his numbers look rather impressive from both an RPM and RAPTOR standpoint. He can certainly shoot the 3-ball, as well. At 5'11", height is obviously an issue, yet he's been making it work.

Like other reclamation projects, I'm wondering if he can thrive in the Nets culture and system. Could solve a rotational PG need, anyway.

[DarkXaero]

@DarkXaero

Imagine you have this electrifying player that can score 50 at the drop of a hat. A legitimate top 15 player. Then you have another former all-star point guard whose coming off an injury but you still hope will be effective when he comes back. You also have some really interesting young players like Bryant, Hachimura, Brown Jr. and one of the best 3 point shooters in the league in Davis Bertrans who you are hoping to re-sign.

So if you have all that to look forward to next season, do you really think the Wizards want to trade away their best player for some inconsistent role players who are overpaid? Levert and Prince aren’t even that young.

No one is trading a top 15 player on a great contract for some role players.

I addressed a lot of this in my post. Wizards best case ceiling with Wall & Beal is 7th/8th seed. You can compare their roster to the other playoffs teams in the East, and they're likely 8th in the East, competing with teams like Magic and Hawks.

And yes, Levert and Prince aren't that young, but Levert still has good upside. 6'7" guys with handles who can score, pass, and are good athletes with a strong work ethic will always be seen as a valuable commodity. Levert has his obvious deficiencies, but the talent is there, it's a matter of consistency and staying healthy. Prince is a solid role player at best, but he needs to be in a functioning team to perform. He's also a 6'8" wing with a good 3pt shot, and the tools to defend, so contrary to what we think, teams will see value in him. And like I said, at worst, he's a neutral asset to match salaries, his contract is only two more seasons.

Aside from Rui, none of those Wizards pieces you mentioned are all that valuable. Thomas Bryant isn't really a starter in this league with his awful defense. Troy Brown Jr. can be a solid piece, but he has yet to show much. Bertans is an unrestricted FA in the summer, and not a good starter level player to begin with. This Wizards team with Wall back, even if they could retain Bertans, add a solid lotto pick in the summer, they'll struggle to make the playoffs. Hawks are uptrending, and their young pieces will improve next season (in addition to adding a lotto pick, just like the Wiz). And the Magic are still there to fight for the 8th seed.

The way I see it, the offer is one very good young player with solid, safe upside (Allen), one mid 20s player with high upside/high risk (Levert), one neutral asset (Prince), and 3 first round picks + 2nd (one of which will be a pick right outside lotto, the other around #20, and then our pick protected in 2022). The offer can be improved to add more on top of all that, but it's a strong foundation for an offer.

[DarkXaero]

@DarkXaero

Imagine you have this electrifying player that can score 50 at the drop of a hat. A legitimate top 15 player. Then you have another former all-star point guard whose coming off an injury but you still hope will be effective when he comes back. You also have some really interesting young players like Bryant, Hachimura, Brown Jr. and one of the best 3 point shooters in the league in Davis Bertrans who you are hoping to re-sign.

So if you have all that to look forward to next season, do you really think the Wizards want to trade away their best player for some overpaid inconsistent role players who are overpaid? Levert and Prince aren’t even that young.

No one is trading a top 15 player on a great contract for some role players.

They will also have a lottery pick. Beal isnt some overpaid 32 year old either.

Why would the wizards trade beal for a package of 4 or 5 mid-level players/assets when they could package beal with a lottery pick and bring in anohter under 28 all-star type instead?

or like try and swap Beal for mccollum or something.

you could argue it would be better for the Wizards to let him play out his deal and take the 35 million in cap space instead

if they DO take something like that offer above, it would be at the very last possible moment. the 2022 deadline. you dont settle for 50 cents on the dollar until you have to

Which other all star caliber players are available to trade for? Only proper star players that have a chance of leaving their teams soon are Beal, Giannis, Kawhi, and PG. Beal is the only one of those who has a chance of leaving his team through trade. Beal for McCollum straight up would be way worse, because McCollum is far from Beal's level. If Portland do McCollum + Collins + picks or something like that, then that's a different story. But IMO, Portland going for Beal doesn't even make sense.

Wizards are most certainly not better off holding on to Beal and take $35 mill in cap, unless they magically turn into a great team overnight. As previously explained, their ceiling with Wall back is still low, and the timeline is right for them to be in rebuild mode, when the top Eastern teams are far ahead of them. Beal isn't going to be averaging 30 a game next to Wall either, right now is the highest his trade value will be. Like I said before, we can look at other contenders' potential offers, and compare what they could offer. Beal is the type of piece for a contending team to acquire, not an up & coming playoffs team or a team that won't improve much with him, after what they give up.

[Prokorov]

The way I see it, the offer is one very good young player with solid, safe upside (Allen), one mid 20s player with high upside/high risk (Levert), one neutral asset (Prince), and 3 first round picks + 2nd (one of which will be a pick right outside lotto, the other around #20, and then our pick protected in 2022). The offer can be improved to add more on top of all that, but it's a strong foundation for an offer.

It is a pretty weak offer considering what other offers they would get for beal. what are they really getting? You downplay Hachimura but you could argue he is already better than Levert. Prince is a nice role guy but he doesnt move the needle. The picks are very weak. the philly pick is in the 20s and with Kyrie/Beal/KD thats late 20's for sure.

Allen is an upgrade to Bryant but it doesnt matter since they become a bottom 5 team once beal leaves.

I'm also not sure what upside levert has... he will be 26 this summer, hasnt really improved much (statistically worse in alot of areas the last 3 years) and is REALLY far from being a good offensive player, let alone anything resembling beal.

You could argue levert is the leagues worst offensive player among anyone who takes 15+ shots a game.

If the Wizards move beal they will be looking for multiple lotto picks, cap releif, and a player with a good chance to be an allstar. they will be looking for something closer to dangello russell or jaylen brown not levert or allen

[Prokorov]

They will also have a lottery pick. Beal isnt some overpaid 32 year old either.

Why would the wizards trade beal for a package of 4 or 5 mid-level players/assets when they could package beal with a lottery pick and bring in anohter under 28 all-star type instead?

or like try and swap Beal for mccollum or something.

you could argue it would be better for the Wizards to let him play out his deal and take the 35 million in cap space instead

if they DO take something like that offer above, it would be at the very last possible moment. the 2022 deadline. you dont settle for 50 cents on the dollar until you have to

Which other all star caliber players are available to trade for? Only proper star players that have a chance of leaving their teams soon are Beal, Giannis, Kawhi, and PG. Beal is the only one of those who has a chance of leaving his team through trade. Beal for McCollum straight up would be way worse, because McCollum is far from Beal's level. If Portland do McCollum + Collins + picks or something like that, then that's a different story. But IMO, Portland going for Beal doesn't even make sense.

Wizards are most certainly not better off holding on to Beal and take $35 mill in cap, unless they magically turn into a great team overnight. As previously explained, their ceiling with Wall back is still low, and the timeline is right for them to be in rebuild mode, when the top Eastern teams are far ahead of them. Beal isn't going to be averaging 30 a game next to Wall either, right now is the highest his trade value will be. Like I said before, we can look at other contenders' potential offers, and compare what they could offer. Beal is the type of piece for a contending team to acquire, not an up & coming playoffs team or a team that won't improve much with him, after what they give up.[/quote]

McCollumm + collins + picks makes alot of sense for portland. they need to find a way to get over the hump while in lillards prime.

And there are plenty of guys with all-star potential they could trade for. Like they could deal him for Lavine + picks or something along those lines.

[DarkXaero]

The way I see it, the offer is one very good young player with solid, safe upside (Allen), one mid 20s player with high upside/high risk (Levert), one neutral asset (Prince), and 3 first round picks + 2nd (one of which will be a pick right outside lotto, the other around #20, and then our pick protected in 2022). The offer can be improved to add more on top of all that, but it's a strong foundation for an offer.

It is a pretty weak offer considering what other offers they would get for beal. what are they really getting? You downplay Hachimura but you could argue he is already better than Levert. Prince is a nice role guy but he doesnt move the needle. The picks are very weak. the philly pick is in the 20s and with Kyrie/Beal/KD thats late 20's for sure.

Allen is an upgrade to Bryant but it doesnt matter since they become a bottom 5 team once beal leaves.

I'm also not sure what upside levert has... he will be 26 this summer, hasnt really improved much (statistically worse in alot of areas the last 3 years) and is REALLY far from being a good offensive player, let alone anything resembling beal.

You could argue levert is the leagues worst offensive player among anyone who takes 15+ shots a game.

If the Wizards move beal they will be looking for multiple lotto picks, cap releif, and a player with a good chance to be an allstar. they will be looking for something closer to dangello russell or jaylen brown not levert or allen

I didn't downplay Rui, I gave him credit as one of their pieces. That being said, I don't think Rui's ceiling is that high, but he can be a very good NBA player. Levert is 25 but he still has upside, if he can stay healthy, and gain consistency. Levert hasn't played that many career games, going back to college, despite his age, because he hasn't been able to stay healthy throughout his career. The ORL pick will likely be 15th or 16th pick, and Philly pick is higher than initially expected. You're saying the picks are weak but its no different from Lakers and Clippers trading their picks, thinking that they will be late picks. Although I'm aware that the Lakers traded the 4th pick as well, but that was for AD, a top 5 player.

Wolves aren't offering D Lo for Beal, they just got him to keep KAT happy. I've discussed the possibility of Celtics offering Jaylen Brown, but I doubt that Ainge will do that. But if he does, then yes, Celtics have the advantage. Cap relief isn't that important when you're a team in rebuild, so I don't think that matters. I don't see anyone offering multiple lotto picks for Beal, along with an all star caliber prospect, that's ridiculous overpay. Upgrading from McCollum to Beal won't do that much for Blazers imo, especially factoring that they'll need to sacrifice additional assets to get Beal. Blazers are in a situation where they either need an elite player next to Dame + a deep roster, or they need a third piece next to Dame + CJ. A healthy Nurkic can be that guy so we'll see.

[DarkXaero]

In other news, Denver tried to trade for Jrue Holiday at trade deadline, according to Shams/Athletic. And Phoenix tried to trade for Aaron Gordon.

My guess is that Denver offered a package around Gary Harris, and Phoenix likely offered Oubre Jr.

[Claud]

Can we say giving Prince the extension has been a mistake yet?

I love his story and would LOVE for him to succeed but his play has been trash for a while now.

Dinwiddie and LeVert's contract are bargains compared to Prince.

I still think he isn't a PF and needs to play SF role off the bench as his best chance to suceed.

Next season KD will take his spot as starting PF which will shift things around but I am concerned with his play.

Very erratic and inconsistent not to mention putrid defense. What is he good at as a starter?

9.5 PER, 34.8% FROM 3, 38% fg, etc.

12.5m per next season and 13m for the one after will no doubt handicapp our championship run once KD/Kyrie return IMO.

[Prokorov]

I didn't downplay Rui, I gave him credit as one of their pieces. That being said, I don't think Rui's ceiling is that high, but he can be a very good NBA player. Levert is 25 but he still has upside, if he can stay healthy, and gain consistency. Levert hasn't played that many career games, going back to college, despite his age, because he hasn't been able to stay healthy throughout his career.

Out of curiosity why do you think Rui's ceiling isnt that high, but think levert has upside When Rui is bigger, younger, more athletic, and at 21 is having a better season than levert at 25? I get levert missed time in the pros and college, so he isnt as experienced as most 25 year olds but i dont really view that as a positive thing or something to make me think he is likely to improve. Injuries 3 years in college and 3 years in the pros starts to eventually become a red flag and not a setback.

The ORL pick will likely be 15th or 16th pick, and Philly pick is higher than initially expected. You're saying the picks are weak but its no different from Lakers and Clippers trading their picks, thinking that they will be late picks. Although I'm aware that the Lakers traded the 4th pick as well, but that was for AD, a top 5 player.

Clippers dealt 5 picks (3 and 2 pick swaps) and also included included SGA, who is a better younger prospect than levert and on top of that PG also kind of was forcing his way to the clips.

as you mentioned lakers better picks but for a better player. (although beal is no slouch).

The thing is why would they take our picks when so many teams have better picks?

Wolves aren't offering D Lo for Beal, they just got him to keep KAT happy. I've discussed the possibility of Celtics offering Jaylen Brown, but I doubt that Ainge will do that. But if he does, then yes, Celtics have the advantage. Cap relief isn't that important when you're a team in rebuild, so I don't think that matters. I don't see anyone offering multiple lotto picks for Beal, along with an all star caliber prospect, that's ridiculous overpay. Upgrading from McCollum to Beal won't do that much for Blazers imo, especially factoring that they'll need to sacrifice additional assets to get Beal. Blazers are in a situation where they either need an elite player next to Dame + a deep roster, or they need a third piece next to Dame + CJ. A healthy Nurkic can be that guy so we'll see.

I think you could get Lavine and a top 5 protected pick from the bulls for beal. that blows our deal out of the water. atlanta could offer lotto picks and some young pieces AND take on bad salary. The blazers dont have alot of flexibility, trying their luck with beal instead of mccollum is the perfect more for them... its that or move on from lillard and rebuild.

i just dont see why the wiz would make the deal with us. no all-star prospects and no lotto picks. they'd be better off playing out his deal and hoping he doesnt walk